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mikebr
Jul 21st 2008, 10:52 PM
When is it ok to be wrong about spiritual/theological things? or When is it not ok to be wrong?

chal
Jul 21st 2008, 11:22 PM
I'm okay with either of these; A.) I don't think it's ever okay to be wrong. I think that every single time we find ourself in the wrong, we should repent and try our best to make it right. B.) I think it's always okay to be wrong, as long as we repent and try our best to make it right.

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 12:58 AM
I'm okay with either of these; A.) I don't think it's ever okay to be wrong. I think that every single time we find ourself in the wrong, we should repent and try our best to make it right. B.) I think it's always okay to be wrong, as long as we repent and try our best to make it right.


But we don't know that we are wrong about things. Lets take Osas and No-osas for instance. One is obviously wrong. My question is what will the consequences for being wrong? or are there consequences for being wrong? Is God going to say fugetta bout it. You at least had the basics right.

Joey Porter
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:03 AM
But we don't know that we are wrong about things. Lets take Osas and No-osas for instance. One is obviously wrong. My question is what will the consequences for being wrong? or are there consequences for being wrong? Is God going to say fugetta bout it. You at least had the basics right.

Well, with the standard of perfection and holiness that Christians teach God as having, I don't even think any of them could say that He will take the attitude of "You at least had the basics right."

As for this OSAS/NOSAS debate - let's face it. At least one of the two sides, if not both, are preaching a false gospel and are anathema.

I am of the understanding that both sides are wrong. (Yes, it is possible, folks!)

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:07 AM
Well, with the standard of perfection and holiness that Christians teach God as having, I don't even think any of them could say that He will take the attitude of "You at least had the basics right."

As for this OSAS/NOSAS debate - let's face it. At least one of the two sides, if not both, are preaching a false gospel and are anathema.

I am of the understanding that both sides are wrong. (Yes, it is possible, folks!)


Joey, I really didn't want to start an Osas/no-osas debate there are many of them already. But............you have peaked my interest. Please start another thread and explain.:hmm:

Joey Porter
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:10 AM
Joey, I really didn't want to start an Osas/no-osas debate there are many of them already. But............you have peaked my interest. Please start another thread and explain.:hmm:

Oh no, I definitely wasn't trying to start up that whole debate. I was just referring to it because that's the example you used.

I think the board rules probably prohibit me from starting a topic specifying how both beliefs are flawed in a huge way.

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:13 AM
Oh no, I definitely wasn't trying to start up that whole debate. I was just referring to it because that's the example you used.

I think the board rules probably prohibit me from starting a topic specifying how both beliefs are flawed in a huge way.

Go to the World Religions Forum.
http://bibleforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

It should be ok.

threebigrocks
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:19 AM
Actually, if it's protestant doctrine it belongs here in Bible Chat. WR wouldn't apply. ;)

threebigrocks
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:22 AM
With being wrong - if we put aside all opinions and thoughts of others, all of them, and get into scripture and heed the teaching of the Spirit we will know what is and isn't wrong.

Don't take my word for anything. Or khatar's, or chal's or Joey's or anyones. Look to scripture for what it says, prayerfully, and go from there. What does the truth of scripture, God's word, say?

Joey Porter
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:22 AM
Go to the World Religions Forum.
http://bibleforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

It should be ok.

Can't get in there! I don't think I have enough posts yet.

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:29 AM
With being wrong - if we put aside all opinions and thoughts of others, all of them, and get into scripture and heed the teaching of the Spirit we will know what is and isn't wrong.

Don't take my word for anything. Or khatar's, or chal's or Joey's or anyones. Look to scripture for what it says, prayerfully, and go from there. What does the truth of scripture, God's word, say?

Great advise that needs to be heeded by us all...............but it doesn't answer my question.


Can't get in there! I don't think I have enough posts yet.


Barnacles! You're welcome to PM me.

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:32 AM
and, Get to postin' boy.;)

threebigrocks
Jul 22nd 2008, 01:38 AM
Great advise that needs to be heeded by us all...............but it doesn't answer my question.

My point - we won't be wrong if we desire to know the truth of scripture. There is a narrow path, and if our knowledge of the truth is off our walk will be off the narrow path.

If we focus on keeping ourselves open to the teaching of the Spirit through scripture, ourselves aside, we won't be wrong.

In other words - get it right, and strive toward that instead of weeding out or being concerned about what is wrong. Scripture and the Spirit won't give you a bum steer! Trust Him. He knows.

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:21 AM
My point - we won't be wrong if we desire to know the truth of scripture. There is a narrow path, and if our knowledge of the truth is off our walk will be off the narrow path.

If we focus on keeping ourselves open to the teaching of the Spirit through scripture, ourselves aside, we won't be wrong.

In other words - get it right, and strive toward that instead of weeding out or being concerned about what is wrong. Scripture and the Spirit won't give you a bum steer! Trust Him. He knows.


Then why all the polarization in Christianity?

and again what will be the consequences for getting it wrong?

watchinginawe
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:33 AM
Good questions. It almost makes me want to be doctrinally apathetic. :)

Here is the old tried and true:

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I'm thinking just now about the error of Apollos and how the scriptures said how effective he still was:

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

God Bless!

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:38 AM
Good questions. It almost makes me want to be doctrinally apathetic. :)

Here is the old tried and true:

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I'm thinking just now about the error of Apollos and how the scriptures said how effective he still was:

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

God Bless!

This caused me to think of the two men on the road to Emmaeus and how they had gotten it all wrong and they were PO'ed because it didn't turn out like they thought it would. Then Jesus appeared to them and broke bread with them and told them all about Himself.

threebigrocks
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:40 AM
Then why all the polarization in Christianity?

That is a good question my friend. Wish I had a good answer for that.


and again what will be the consequences for getting it wrong?

If we disagree with each other, not so big of a deal. If we are wrong from the truth as God has laid it out - it's a place none of us wants to be. If we are wrong with God - we aren't of God.

threebigrocks
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:42 AM
This caused me to think of the two men on the road to Emmaeus and how they had gotten it all wrong and they were PO'ed because it didn't turn out like they thought it would. Then Jesus appeared to them and broke bread with them and told them all about Himself.

And we can't dwell on being fearful of getting it wrong if we are indeed seeking out the truth! We never know when a light will go off! Shocks the socks of me sometimes when things fall into place. :)

watchinginawe
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:43 AM
This caused me to think of the two men on the road to Emmaeus and how they had gotten it all wrong and they were PO'ed because it didn't turn out like they thought it would. Then Jesus appeared to them and broke bread with them and told them all about Himself.And even opened to them the scriptures and made them witnesses!

God Bless!

mikebr
Jul 22nd 2008, 03:55 AM
If we disagree with each other, not so big of a deal. If we are wrong from the truth as God has laid it out - it's a place none of us wants to be. If we are wrong with God - we aren't of God.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying if we're wrong about anything or wrong about everything?

chal
Jul 22nd 2008, 08:33 AM
But we don't know that we are wrong about things. Lets take Osas and No-osas for instance. One is obviously wrong. My question is what will the consequences for being wrong? or are there consequences for being wrong? Is God going to say fugetta bout it. You at least had the basics right.

chal> The consequences for being wrong will be that you will have to live with whatever the consquences are of that particular thing that you are wrong about.

That said, I believe we should look at it from another perspective. There will be (positive) consequences for our being right. We should not only be looking to save our own necks, but trying to please God. I'm not saying that this is what you're doing, just presenting another perspective to view it from.

I don't believe that our salvation rests on whether we are right or wrong about anything but the basics. Obviously we must know that Jesus Christ is our only salvation and that we must pick up our cross and follow Him. I don't think we can afford to get that wrong, but we still have to deal with the logistics, i.e., what does "picking up our cross," consist of? Exactly what does Jesus mean when He says "follow me," etc. I think that we must determine this by prayer, studying the scriptures and submittling to the leadership of the Holy Spirit, rather than submitting to any doctrines of men.

Joey Porter
Jul 22nd 2008, 12:23 PM
Actually, if it's protestant doctrine it belongs here in Bible Chat. WR wouldn't apply. ;)

It will just have to remain shrouded in mystery until the appointed time!