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Firstfruits
Aug 1st 2008, 12:12 PM
Do we preach as we have been commanded, according to what Jesus said we should?

Mt 28:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 24:44 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Lk 24:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Lk 24:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Lk 24:47 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 12:32 PM
Do we preach as we have been commanded, according to what Jesus said we should?

Mt 28:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 24:44 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Lk 24:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Lk 24:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Lk 24:47 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits


I don't believe we are. He commanded us to Love Him and our neighbors and we preach an "us vs. them" religion.

Vhayes
Aug 1st 2008, 12:36 PM
I don't believe we are. He commanded us to Love Him and our neighbors and we preach an "us vs. them" religion.
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.

Eaglenester
Aug 1st 2008, 01:04 PM
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.

TOTALLY agree.


Do we preach as we have been commanded, according to what Jesus said we should?


That's only one side of the equation:


"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

(John 13:35)

The proclaiming and living it out must go hand -in-hand, they must match up, they can't be separated.

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 01:08 PM
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.


Yes and they reject us and we write them off as having rejected Christ and condemn them to hell. Nothing wrong with the gospel but how we present it is certainly lacking.

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 01:13 PM
Repentance means to change you mind, your way of thinking. The way I truly think will greatly impact the way I act. The Gospel; Good News has been nothing but bad news. Remember what the Christmas angel in Luke 2 said:

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Our version: Be afraid, be very afraid I got some bad news that will bring you great sorrow, God's out to get you.

manichunter
Aug 1st 2008, 01:14 PM
it is because we are workers of lawlessness. We do our own thing, each one right in his owns eyes. God is not soveriegn over this mess. God has not ordained this mess. It is what it is because people have done as the Pharisees and Sadducees. We have created our own factions. A divided body cannot stand.

I hear things like God has a permissive will, gives us room for our own will, and gives a saint license to worship and serve as they wish. Hence we have this mess.

This was not true in the first covenant, it is not true now as well.

Vhayes
Aug 1st 2008, 01:16 PM
Repentance means to change you mind, your way of thinking. The way I truly think will greatly impact the way I act. The Gospel; Good News has been nothing but bad news. Remember what the Christmas angel in Luke 2 said:

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Our version: Be afraid, be very afraid I got some bad news that will bring you great sorrow, God's out to get you.
Or worse yet:
Be afraid. God says you are a sinner and you are going to hell. But I have good news. GREAT Good News in fact. You don't have to go to hell - you can be like me. EXACTLY like me. Here's the rules and regs you gotta follow and I'll be back in a bit.

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 01:22 PM
Or worse yet:
Be afraid. God says you are a sinner and you are going to hell. But I have good news. GREAT Good News in fact. You don't have to go to hell - you can be like me. EXACTLY like me. Here's the rules and regs you gotta follow and I'll be back in a bit.

Its like asking a guy asking a girl out on a date to evangelize her because its the christian thing to do not because he loves her and when he picks her up he hands her a list of rules for dating him. We do that with the bible.

Here you go lost sinner, I don't really care about you but I believe I'm responsible for your eternal salvation so I'm giving you the rules and hey if you want to when you get fixed you can come hang out with us at church. If you don't well you're going to burn forever. I think I'll go to McDonalds. Have a nice day.

Firefighter
Aug 1st 2008, 01:32 PM
Yeah, we forget this one a lot too...

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 01:34 PM
Yeah, we forget this one a lot too...

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.



Good call......................:idea:

ProjectPeter
Aug 1st 2008, 01:35 PM
1 Timothy 1:8 *But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
9 *realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
10 *and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
11 *according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

If these things are in fact contrary to the gospel... why do we think things like this were void from the gospel that Paul preached?

Firefighter
Aug 1st 2008, 01:44 PM
Its like asking a guy asking a girl out on a date to evangelize her because its the christian thing to do not because he loves her and when he picks her up he hands her a list of rules for dating him. We do that with the bible.

Here you go lost sinner, I don't really care about you but I believe I'm responsible for your eternal salvation so I'm giving you the rules and hey if you want to when you get fixed you can come hang out with us at church. If you don't well you're going to burn forever. I think I'll go to McDonalds. Have a nice day.

I have never hear it that way but you are exactly right. If you want to see an example of this look at the Homose*uality thread where people are warning against befriending sinners...:B

BroRog
Aug 1st 2008, 02:39 PM
Do we preach as we have been commanded, according to what Jesus said we should?

Mt 28:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 24:44 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Lk 24:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Lk 24:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Lk 24:47 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits

The title of your thread implies that Matthew 28:19 applies to all Christians. I don't think this is correct. Jesus is speaking directly to his apostles and not to the church at large. We learn later, from Paul, that there are various gifts of the spirit and in that presentation we also learn that not everyone has the gift of an apostle, or a preacher, or an evangelist.

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 02:42 PM
The title of your thread implies that Matthew 28:19 applies to all Christians. I don't think this is correct. Jesus is speaking directly to his apostles and not to the church at large. We learn later, from Paul, that there are various gifts of the spirit and in that presentation we also learn that not everyone has the gift of an apostle, or a preacher, or an evangelist.


I believe you may be on to something.;)

Firstfruits
Aug 1st 2008, 02:46 PM
The title of your thread implies that Matthew 28:19 applies to all Christians. I don't think this is correct. Jesus is speaking directly to his apostles and not to the church at large. We learn later, from Paul, that there are various gifts of the spirit and in that presentation we also learn that not everyone has the gift of an apostle, or a preacher, or an evangelist.

Are we not to preach as they have given it to us?

Gal 1:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Firstfruits

Firefighter
Aug 1st 2008, 02:57 PM
They also preached John the Baptist and the Nazarite (ascetic) vow. Should we be preaching that too??? Maybe eat some grasshoppers and wear camel hair?

ProjectPeter
Aug 1st 2008, 03:05 PM
Uh... they didn't preach that. Come on now... let's do better than that eh?

fewarechosen
Aug 1st 2008, 03:09 PM
christ had lots of disciples, but few chosen. he told the chosen to go do those things, not just everyone who said "christ is lord".

to many rush to go save the world from its sin with big motes in our eyes, thats why we run around like fools and the world mocks and says their religion is a joke.

i think its often missed who christ was telling those things to. he told those things to men who were going to almost all get martyred, remember that.

god chooses his, but many wish to feel chosen so they hurry to mark themselves as chosen. not knowing what it means or what comes with it.

but there will be a falling away, and all will be revealed. his chosen will see it but those who think they are chosen wont.

Vhayes
Aug 1st 2008, 03:13 PM
christ had lots of disciples, but few chosen. he told the chosen to go do those things, not just everyone who said "christ is lord".

to many rush to go save the world from its sin with big motes in our eyes, thats why we run around like fools and the world mocks and says their religion is a joke.

i think its often missed who christ was telling those things to. he told those things to men who were going to almost all get martyred, remember that.

god chooses his, but many wish to feel chosen so they hurry to mark themselves as chosen. not knowing what it means or what comes with it.

but there will be a falling away, and all will be revealed. his chosen will see it but those who think they are chosen wont.
I'm not sure of what you're saying -

Are you saying that there will be people who have declared Christ as Lord, who love Him (even though they make mistakes) and they will not be "saved"? That they only "wish to feel chosen" - as you put it?

mikebr
Aug 1st 2008, 03:24 PM
In my flawed opinion one of the problems with Calvinism is that you can never really know if you are saved; only if you persevere to the end. What is means to persevere is very hard to define.:hmm:

Firstfruits
Aug 1st 2008, 04:20 PM
They also preached John the Baptist and the Nazarite (ascetic) vow. Should we be preaching that too??? Maybe eat some grasshoppers and wear camel hair?

May I ask where in these scriptures did Jesus command the disciples to teach as you have said?

Mt 28:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 24:44 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Lk 24:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Lk 24:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Lk 24:47 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=24&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits

fewarechosen
Aug 1st 2008, 06:30 PM
I'm not sure of what you're saying -

Are you saying that there will be people who have declared Christ as Lord, who love Him (even though they make mistakes) and they will not be "saved"? That they only "wish to feel chosen" - as you put it?

hi vhayes, sorry for any confusion.

i was addressing matthew 28
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he scripture in the opening post was told to his chosen 11 apostles - so out of the hundreds or even thousands that followed christ and believed in him he chose 12.
now im not saying that everyone else was excluded or did not find god or anything like that.

but those 12 -1 he specifically chose, he gave authority to. they had been with christ for a long time on earth and he gave them authority , gave them the ability to baptize with the holy spirit to heal and all that stuff, they had direct commad from christ that they were supposed to teach.

so out of all his disciples he only picked a few for this duty.

think of it this way he hand picked those 12 and spent much time with them teaching and such, there were hundreds who believed and listend but that christ did not pick to follow closely, think of all the confusion that would have been spread if those hundreds ran out and tried to preach with the same authority given to those 12.

thats what happens today in this age, its like he has however many disciples now - but out of all of them he picks some for some works and others for other works.

but not all are to speak with the same authority on subjects, often we just think we are.

now if i was called to teach how can i teach if i dont know what im teaching ?

if i take that authority upon myself and go forth and spread lies i hinder not help, thats what happens when one teaches without being given authority.

now dont mistake this as somehow me saying i am the one who is supposed to teach and somehow no one else is or anything like that - i say assume i am a liar
but look at it this way if the greatest liar in the world said 2+2=4 you would know he is telling the truth.
now if someone gives you a long equation it may take time for you to figure it out if he is telling the truth, but the holy spirit inside you can figure all that out, he is the teacher you need, he is the one who is able to discern if i lie or not, so trust in that not a man. we are all liars

so i say test what everyone says against the holy spirit inside you.

we often dont humble ourselves myself included and we think yea i got this im gonna go talk to people on this subject - but is that our pride taking us away ?

thats why christ says to get the mote out of our own eye first, before we try to get the mote out of our brothers

Vhayes
Aug 1st 2008, 06:33 PM
Thanks and I understand now - we are all of the body, just different parts with specific functions.

I agree!
V

fewarechosen
Aug 1st 2008, 06:46 PM
I'm not sure of what you're saying -

Are you saying that there will be people who have declared Christ as Lord, who love Him (even though they make mistakes) and they will not be "saved"? That they only "wish to feel chosen" - as you put it?

also on this point, there are lots of people who think they are saved and know christ and do things in his name.

9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14For many are called, but few are chosen.

in the parable above think of it this way, many here christs words and believe it to be true, that is them being called, but they dont have their wedding garmet ready for the wedding, those will be cast out. they are called to it but did not ready themselves.

here is another parable



21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

now in this above we see some will think they did works in christ name, saying -in thy name we have done wonderfull works. but they only thought they knew christ and were his, but they werent.

out of the world he chooses his then out of his he chooses them for certain things.

some int he world think they are his chosen, and are not

then out of his chosen some feel they are chosen for something they are not.

hope that helps :)

Firstfruits
Aug 1st 2008, 07:31 PM
If we are not to preach any other gospel than what we have been given, can we say that we apply the attitude of the following?

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Gal 1:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Firstfruits

merjorg
Aug 1st 2008, 11:19 PM
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.

Interesting comments!

I was talking to a homeless man a few evenings ago and he wasn't 100% in his right mind, but it really hit home with me when, after sharing a bit of the gospel with him, he looked right at me and said as clear as day, "Do you know why people like me don't want to become Christians? Because of Christians!" And he began mimicking someone who had a sword and just continued to slice up and stab someone. It just hit me that he was acting out his experience with Christians. In his mind, his experiences with Christians during his time on earth are that he has been condemned, talked down to, made to feel less than, sliced and diced, to the point that he is so turned off by the gospel it's not even funny. I gave him $15 to get a meal and he said, "Will you go to dinner with me?" I said, "I really have to get home, but I'd love to have 5 more minutes to tell you more about Jesus." He said, "Do you want your money back? I'll give it back to you right now!" Heartbreaking!

JesusMySavior
Aug 2nd 2008, 03:47 AM
The way I see it is, one can only effectively (and should only attempt) to share the Gospel with someone out of an overflow of God's love. If I am filled up with God's love, chances are it's going to spill out on someone else. This is effective witnessing at its finest.

You know what turns the lost onto Jesus? People who will listen to them, let them unload their problems with a caring ear, treat them to a nice dinner somewhere, and follow up with friendly phone calls and chats. In other words, build friendships with the poor and needy. They can't repay you, and the love can only go in one direction - from you to them.

I've found many more people are interested in this 'Jesus' I have to offer if I love them like Jesus loved us, rather than preach to them how they're going to hell in a hand basket.


(Now, on the other side - there is a place to preach sin and hell to those who truly need it, in fact I have a friend that's a radical evangelist - and he is not afraid, boy let me tell you, street corners and all - but I believe he has a gift for reaching the lost in a very direct way.)


People are more impressed with a humble sinner who has been saved by the grace of God than a religious freak show.


.02

JesusMySavior
Aug 2nd 2008, 03:53 AM
I gave him $15 to get a meal and he said, "Will you go to dinner with me?" I said, "I really have to get home, but I'd love to have 5 more minutes to tell you more about Jesus." He said, "Do you want your money back? I'll give it back to you right now!" Heartbreaking!


OH friend!! In love I say this, but you really should have taken that opportunity to go to dinner with that fellow!! To show him you didn't have time was more than likely a smack in the face from "another Christian too busy to care" :cry:. And even though you gave him money (which is a very nice gesture), money is not an issue to most people - it's just paper and a figure. What you have to give that's precious is your time!!

Can we sacrifice our own schedules and our time to help the hurting and reach the lost?


Be blessed good brother! :hug:

JesusMySavior
Aug 2nd 2008, 03:58 AM
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

now in this above we see some will think they did works in christ name, saying -in thy name we have done wonderfull works. but they only thought they knew christ and were his, but they werent.






First thought that comes to mind from this one good brother is the Mormons.

How many of them have offered to wash my windshield and scrape ice off my car and do good deeds for me? But yet they preach a broken gospel and are indoctrinated much more than being in close contact with the precious Lord!

The question is not, "Do you know the Lord", but rather, "Does the Lord know YOU?"

Firstfruits
Aug 2nd 2008, 12:09 PM
With regards to the following, how do we know if what is preached/taught is according to the commandments/teachings of Christ?

Rom 16:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 Thess 3:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=53&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

How do we know whom we should avoid, regarding what Christ commanded the disciples to preach?

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Aug 3rd 2008, 10:48 AM
Do we know what is contrary to the words of Jesus and his doctrine?

1 Tim 6:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1 Tim 6:4 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=4) He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

What is sound doctrine?

2 Tim 4:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=55&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Firstfruits

BroRog
Aug 3rd 2008, 06:29 PM
Are we not to preach as they have given it to us?

Gal 1:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Firstfruits

Yes, I think preachers and teachers should preach and teach what was revealed to us by Jesus and his Apostles.

vinsight4u8
Aug 3rd 2008, 07:11 PM
Yes, I think preachers and teachers should preach and teach what was revealed to us by Jesus and his Apostles.

If God sent people to teach - would other people even listen?

ariel_jesus237
Aug 3rd 2008, 07:27 PM
be careful though in omitting the preaching of the law and judgement because there will be no repentance and no real understanding of the gravity of sin and of the wrath of God unless the law reveals it. the other extreme is just as bad if you present the gospel and Jesus as just a life enhancement and make it all seem nice and dandy. the good news won't seem as good news unless they realize the bad news.

also remember this brothers we cant just choose to preach in a way people will like it because the gospel is folly to them, they have no understanding of it and they feel they have no need for it. so we cant just fit the gospel to their needs but we must preach it biblically so that the holy spirit may regenerate their hearts, convict them of sin and reveal to them the truth.

Firstfruits
Aug 4th 2008, 08:40 AM
be careful though in omitting the preaching of the law and judgement because there will be no repentance and no real understanding of the gravity of sin and of the wrath of God unless the law reveals it. the other extreme is just as bad if you present the gospel and Jesus as just a life enhancement and make it all seem nice and dandy. the good news won't seem as good news unless they realize the bad news.

also remember this brothers we cant just choose to preach in a way people will like it because the gospel is folly to them, they have no understanding of it and they feel they have no need for it. so we cant just fit the gospel to their needs but we must preach it biblically so that the holy spirit may regenerate their hearts, convict them of sin and reveal to them the truth.

What did Jesus teach the disciples concerning the law and judgment?

What did they then preach/teach us concerning the law and judgment?

How would you explain the following?
Acts 15:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Gal 1:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 5:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Gal 5:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Firstfruits

ProjectPeter
Aug 4th 2008, 11:41 AM
What did Jesus teach the disciples concerning the law and judgment?

What did they then preach/teach us concerning the law and judgment?

How would you explain the following?
Acts 15:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Gal 1:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 5:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Gal 5:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Firstfruits
They perverted it because they didn't use it lawfully. ;) But then we ought not omit it. Just use it lawfully.

1 Timothy 1:8 *But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
9 *realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
10 *and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
11 *according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Firstfruits
Aug 4th 2008, 12:32 PM
They perverted it because they didn't use it lawfully. ;) But then we ought not omit it. Just use it lawfully.

1 Timothy 1:8 *But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
9 *realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
10 *and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
11 *according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

How does that apply to the following?

Acts 15:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:28 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts 15:29 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and That he should be the first That should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Acts 3:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Were they wrong to preach as they did, by preaching only that which was written in the law concerning Jesus?

Firstfruits

militarywife
Aug 4th 2008, 02:17 PM
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.

Hebrews 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Matthew 10:7-8 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Just a couple of examples that are sometimes overlooked.

Lord, help us to be in YOUR will all the time. Help us to reach the overlooked. Forgive us where we have failed to represent you as we are meant to.
Praise You Lord.:hug:

HisLeast
Aug 4th 2008, 02:28 PM
Yep! And then we have the audacity to wonder why the lost have NO desire to be a "Christian". Amazing.

On the other side of that coin, many of the lost will reject the gospel outright. Many of my secular peers reject Christianity more because it doesn't leave morality to the discretion of the individual. The hypocrisy of some Christians is only a secondary issue.

Firstfruits
Aug 4th 2008, 02:29 PM
Hebrews 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Matthew 10:7-8 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Just a couple of examples that are sometimes overlooked.

Lord, help us to be in YOUR will all the time. Help us to reach the overlooked. Forgive us where we have failed to represent you as we are meant to.
Praise You Lord.:hug:

Thanks Militarywife,

Knowing that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, has the message the disciples were commanded to preach changed?

Firstfruits

ProjectPeter
Aug 4th 2008, 02:50 PM
How does that apply to the following?

Acts 15:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:28 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts 15:29 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and That he should be the first That should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Acts 3:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Were they wrong to preach as they did, by preaching only that which was written in the law concerning Jesus?

Firstfruits
No clue what you are asking. You are obviously trying to work up to a point so perhaps just making the point would be better?

The folks in Acts (as well as Galatians etc) were using the law unlawfully. That would be the only thing I could figure to answer your question with.

Your Acts 26 passage is short of the "gospel" message that Paul preached because you left a bit out.

Acts 26:19 *"Consequently, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision,
20 *but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.

When Paul spoke to Festus and his wife (a jewish lady) about faith in Jesus... it consisted of this which is very much in line with the Timothy passage as well.

Acts 24:24 *¶But some days later, Felix arrived with Drusilla, his wife who was a Jewess, and sent for Paul, and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus.
25 *And as he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix became frightened and said, "Go away for the present, and when I find time, I will summon you."

militarywife
Aug 4th 2008, 02:55 PM
Thanks Militarywife,

Knowing that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, has the message the disciples were commanded to preach changed?

Firstfruits

NO, I dont believe it has changed. There is still work to be done my friend. :hug:

Firstfruits
Aug 4th 2008, 03:27 PM
No clue what you are asking. You are obviously trying to work up to a point so perhaps just making the point would be better?

The folks in Acts (as well as Galatians etc) were using the law unlawfully. That would be the only thing I could figure to answer your question with.

Your Acts 26 passage is short of the "gospel" message that Paul preached because you left a bit out.

Acts 26:19 *"Consequently, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision,
20 *but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.

When Paul spoke to Festus and his wife (a jewish lady) about faith in Jesus... it consisted of this which is very much in line with the Timothy passage as well.

Acts 24:24 *¶But some days later, Felix arrived with Drusilla, his wife who was a Jewess, and sent for Paul, and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus.
25 *And as he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix became frightened and said, "Go away for the present, and when I find time, I will summon you."

When did the law become a problem, if the disciples were only concerned with what was written in the law concerning Jesus?

Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and That he should be the first That should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits

ProjectPeter
Aug 4th 2008, 03:29 PM
Thought I answered that... when it was used unlawfully. Still is a problem in that regard.

Firstfruits
Aug 4th 2008, 03:36 PM
Thought I answered that... when it was used unlawfully. Still is a problem in that regard.

Am I right in saying that if there had not been those that began to teach obedience to the law, that the emphasis was on Jesus? and what we have on the law now is the outcome of the disciples trying to get the emphasis back on Jesus as he had commanded them to preach?

Firstfruits

ProjectPeter
Aug 4th 2008, 04:01 PM
Am I right in saying that if there had not been those that began to teach obedience to the law, that the emphasis was on Jesus? and what we have on the law now is the outcome of the disciples trying to get the emphasis back on Jesus as he had commanded them to preach?

Firstfruits
Again, used unlawful the law is dangerous to the church. Used rightly the law is lawful to use and even needed... they know that those things Paul spoke of to Timothy are sin. If you are speaking of preaching the gospel to the saved... not sure why one would have the need to do that but I know folks do much to my wonder.

fewarechosen
Aug 4th 2008, 04:46 PM
the real law is written in mens hearts and minds, thats the law that convicts us of our sin.

if that law is written in our hearts we need no law that is written on paper, the law in our hearts is way deeper than any written law, the written law is a drop in the bucket

the law on paper is for these folks

9 *realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

those with the holy spirit are not ungodly or unholy

Firstfruits
Aug 5th 2008, 08:11 AM
Again, used unlawful the law is dangerous to the church. Used rightly the law is lawful to use and even needed... they know that those things Paul spoke of to Timothy are sin. If you are speaking of preaching the gospel to the saved... not sure why one would have the need to do that but I know folks do much to my wonder.

Thanks PP,

I understand what you are saying, but what are the things that we are to observe according to what Jesus has commanded the disciples?

Mt 28:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=28&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

What is the apostles doctrine?
Acts 2:42 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=42) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Aug 5th 2008, 03:47 PM
Acts 26:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Acts 26:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=26&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Firstfruits

ariel_jesus237
Aug 5th 2008, 06:47 PM
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

The law makes sin known to the sinner, and if used correctly(lawfully as poster above stated), it will bring repentance and point to Jesus.

Firstfruits
Aug 5th 2008, 07:01 PM
Again, used unlawful the law is dangerous to the church. Used rightly the law is lawful to use and even needed... they know that those things Paul spoke of to Timothy are sin. If you are speaking of preaching the gospel to the saved... not sure why one would have the need to do that but I know folks do much to my wonder.

What does it mean to be delivered from the law with regards to what the apostles taught/preached?

Rom 7:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Please note this thread is not about the law except when it is concening Jesus, and what is written in the law and the prophets and the psalms about Jesus? So even though I would like an answer to my question I do not want it to take the focus from What Jesus commanded his disciples to preach concerning him.

Thanks

Firstfruits