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Roelof
Feb 22nd 2008, 02:14 PM
North American Union (NAU) – main player in the future One World State


I have the opinion that the NAU and European Union will be the main players in the future One World State.

Please watch the video clip“North American Union & VCHip Truth”
on Youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo)


Great Seal of the United States of America was designed by the Freemasons. This seal is also on the USA one dollar.

Please open to see the USA symbols:
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm (http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm)

Symbolism in the USA one dollar:

The Pyramid has of old been a fascination of Freemasons. It is a pagan temple of Satan worship.
The latin words on the seal. 'Annuit Coeptis' means 'Announcing The Birth Of' and 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' means 'New World Order'. So therefore it says 'Announcing the birth of the New World Order'. The date in roman numerals is 1776, the year the modern Illuminati was formed and also the year of American independence.
The latin 'E Pluribus Unum' means 'One out of many' which is the foundation of the New World Order's plan to unify the world's governments, religions and money systems into one so the world can be controlled.
On the obverse is an eagle whose dexter wing has thirty- two feathers, the number of ordinary degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry.
Notice the stars above the eagle's head forms a hexagram the most evil of all witchcraft symbols.
The capstone has not come down on the Pyramid. This means that the plan is not complete. Only when the New World Order is established upon all nations and the world leader is enthroned the plan will be complete.
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm (http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/seal.htm)NORTH AMERICAN UNION: USA, CANADA & MEXICO
The United States of America is a federal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation) constitutional republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic) comprising fifty states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) and a federal district (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_districts_and_territories). The country is situated almost entirely in the western hemisphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_hemisphere): its forty-eight contiguous states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States) and Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington%2C_D.C.), the capital district, lie in central North America between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, bordered by Canada to the north (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_border) and Mexico to the south (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Mexico_border).

The national economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States) of the USA is the largest in the world, with a nominal 2006 gross domestic product (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) (GDP) of more than US $ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._dollar)13 trillion.
The USA (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/USA/)’s national debt is increasing by $2.43 billion everyday. People expect the state debt to top the ten trillion dollar mark in the next few years. It is in the interests of the USA’s main creditor, China, to have a stable American currency and protect the American market.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA)


The year 1989 is historically notable for the wave of revolutions that swept the Eastern Bloc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc), starting in Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland). Collectively known as the Revolutions of 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989), they were the death knell for the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) and for Stalinistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism) Marxism-Leninism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism-Leninism) as a basis for government in most of the world, and ushered in a new era of neoliberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) globalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization), free trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade), and United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)dominance that lasts to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989)

CASHLESS ECONOMY
SA Banks recently released credit cards with micro chips or SIM cards. It will also be used in debit cards later.
A huge amount of personal and financial information can be stored on it. In South Africa micro chips are already used in prepaid phone cards, cell phones, DsTv decoder cards, and entry cards.

Micro chips ID cards wiil also be released in the not too far future. It will be able to store personal information, voice recordings, finger prints, DNA chains, and photo’s. Micro chip financial cards can then later be integreted with micro chip ID cards.


After the Rapture of the Church of the New Born (1 Thess. 4:15-18 & 1 Cor 15:51-58), Satan could control the economy and politics of the world, if he could control the following 7 geo-political and economic regions:

· European Union,
· North America: USA & Canada & Mexico
· Commonwealth of independent states (CIS)
· Association of southeast asians nations (ASEAN) + 3
· Australasia
· South America





Rev 13:5. (KJV Bible Commentary)
….. All is under the permissive direction of God,as with Job and Satan long ago (cf. Job 1–2).

Roelof
Feb 24th 2008, 04:30 AM
The EU already produce 31% of world GDP, they are already a main world player.

The USA is the country with the biggest economy in the world, the other main world player.

quiet dove
Feb 24th 2008, 05:19 AM
But can the US economy maintain?

ross3421
Feb 24th 2008, 07:59 AM
World economic colapse will occur before a one world state. And by the way this one world future state will be the kingdom of the the devil, Babylon. No other countries, religons ect...will exsist.



Mark

Roelof
Feb 25th 2008, 03:44 AM
But can the US economy maintain?

It appears that big financial trouble is on the horizon for the USA:


o Experts warn that heavy debt threatens American economy.

The Associated Press. Posted 8/27/2005 .
The budget surplus of $236 billion in 2000 turned into a deficit of $412 billion last year. You owe $145,000. And the bill is rising every day. That's how much it would cost every American man, woman and child to pay the tab for the long-term promises the U.S. government has made to creditors, retirees, veterans and the poor.

o The USA's National Debt Clock can't keep up with Bush's spending. http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/30-03-2006/78085-nationaldebt-0 (http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/30-03-2006/78085-nationaldebt-0)


The USA (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/USA/)’s national debt is increasing by $2.43 billion everyday. People expect the state debt to top the ten trillion dollar mark in the next few years. It is in the interests of the USA’s main creditor, China, to have a stable American currency and protect the American market.”

Ry-Guy
Feb 25th 2008, 05:30 AM
I agree with Roelof. I don't see the US maintaining its dominance up to and during the rise of the anti-Christ kingdom.

dan
Feb 27th 2008, 06:59 PM
I agree with Roelof. I don't see the US maintaining its dominance up to and during the rise of the anti-Christ kingdom.

...The US has a long way to go to be in real trouble. Some irony is contained in the fact that to destroy the US is to disable the source of most of the wealth on the earth.
That is the reason that I think that the US is in for a large attack, militarily. Although, it's possible that the next President could just give our money away! Vote Democrat.:rofl:

WonderWoman4Jesus
Feb 27th 2008, 07:11 PM
We are definatly heading in that direction of a "one world" belief. Have you heard of the highway in the US, Mexico and Canada? Soon the US, Mexico, and Canada will all mesh together into a one world sort of thing.

IWalkWithHim
Feb 27th 2008, 09:43 PM
I agree with Roelof. I don't see the US maintaining its dominance up to and during the rise of the anti-Christ kingdom.

Do you think the city of Dubai might play a role in this??

Chachynga
Mar 1st 2008, 10:10 PM
I have some privy info from a woman that her sector always leads the economy by about 9 months, and is precise.

She says were in for some deep doo doo. I explored, and she said she's scared.

I can't say more but she was a very business savy woman that made boat loads of money for years and years, she is an expert at what she does and she says the sky is black black black being and understatement.

Athanasius
Mar 1st 2008, 10:16 PM
When Israel gets attacked at the 'end times', it has to be all on its own with the world coming against it. Ergo, the United States isn't going to be able to help her. And from there, you can think up any doomsday scenarios you'd wish.

Eyrim
Mar 4th 2008, 05:00 AM
Hello everyone!

Just my two cents. It is true america is headed for deep trouble with it`s economy among other things. In my opinion america will go either two ways,we will go through a great economic(as well as spiritual)depression along the lines of the past great depression but even worse and like the past depression america will as before rise with a new type of currency(similar to the federal reserve notes after the last depression,but different)or america will not make it through the coming times and will be shaken to it`s foundations and it`s end.

Either way i believe america will not be AMERICA any longer and will have taken it`s final bow.

dan
Mar 12th 2008, 05:47 AM
Hello everyone!

Just my two cents. It is true america is headed for deep trouble with it`s economy among other things. In my opinion america will go either two ways,we will go through a great economic(as well as spiritual)depression along the lines of the past great depression but even worse and like the past depression america will as before rise with a new type of currency(similar to the federal reserve notes after the last depression,but different)or america will not make it through the coming times and will be shaken to it`s foundations and it`s end.

Either way i believe america will not be AMERICA any longer and will have taken it`s final bow.

...What most people call the "rapture". The US may be the only participant. Only after you destroy the US can you do to Israel what is proposed in the Bible.
Or, would you say that all the western democracies support Israel to the same extent as the US? If so, then they will have to be destroyed also.

IS 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

EZEK 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
EZEK 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
EZEK 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
EZEK 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
EZEK 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
EZEK 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Roelof
Mar 12th 2008, 12:10 PM
In my opinion america will go either two ways,we will go through a great economic (as well as spiritual) depression along the lines of the past great depression but even worse .....


Eyrim

Don't you think the USA is already in a spiritual depression?
The economic depression is coming with the huge debt.

Roelof
Mar 13th 2008, 12:30 PM
Fresh US fears send dollar and markets plunging

Stock markets across Europe and Asia plummeted this morning as the dollar slumped to a new 12-year low and fears grew that the US Federal Reserve's surprise $280 billion liquidity bailout will fail to stop a full-blown recession.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/article3544604.ece

Roelof
Mar 17th 2008, 11:53 AM
'Worst crisis since WWII'

London - The current crisis rocking the markets and global economy could turn out to be the worst since World War II, former US Federal Reserve chairperson Alan Greenspan said in remarks published on Monday.
"The current financial crisis in the US is likely to be judged in retrospect as the most wrenching since the end of the Second World War," Greenspan said in a Financial Times commentary. "It will end eventually when home prices stabilise, and with them the value of equity in homes supporting troubled mortgage securities," he said, referring to the meltdown in the US subprime home loan market and subsequent massive losses for the banks holding the debt instruments.

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1783_2289563

RevLogos
Mar 17th 2008, 01:57 PM
...What most people call the "rapture". The US may be the only participant. Only after you destroy the US can you do to Israel what is proposed in the Bible.

The US doesn't have to be destroyed. All we have to do is elect Obama or Clinton. Neither would come to Israel's aid. They'd go to the UN. The UN would draft some resolution about how unhappy they are.

But before Israel is attacked, Iran will invade Iraq after we prematurely pull our troops out, then invades Kuwait, then annexes Syria and Lebanon, forms a military treaty with Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt. Iran essentially sweeps the Middle East much like Hitler did to Europe.

Turkey becomes a fundamental Islamic state, a revolution in Pakistan puts the terrorists in charge giving them The Bomb and tested missiles. Pakistan gives the Bomb to Iran (which is now most of the Middle East).

By then the US economy is in such trouble we won't do a thing because of our dependence on their oil.

Now Israel is surrounded and on it's own.

Eyrim
Mar 18th 2008, 02:14 AM
...What most people call the "rapture". The US may be the only participant. Only after you destroy the US can you do to Israel what is proposed in the Bible.
Or, would you say that all the western democracies support Israel to the same extent as the US? If so, then they will have to be destroyed also.

IS 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

EZEK 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
EZEK 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
EZEK 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
EZEK 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
EZEK 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
EZEK 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

I do not think,while possible,that the U.S. will be the only ones raptured and i did not mean to infer that the U.S. will be raptured but that it will go through major changes and will not resemble the great dreamed of and intended AMERICA that it was meant to be.
If a north american union does come about after a U.S. downfall it will be to america`s demise it will do away with our constitution,our individual rights,what is left of our nation being a Godly nation based on his laws,our
sovereignty.

I also believe that much of the financial trouble happening and still coming is a formulated deception.

Eyrim
Mar 18th 2008, 02:29 AM
Eyrim

Don't you think the USA is already in a spiritual depression?
The economic depression is coming with the huge debt.

I think the USA is in a spiritual repression and the next step is
depression,than oppression. The falling away into the giving away.

This is only a general statement and not meant to be all inclusive.

Eyrim
Mar 18th 2008, 02:36 AM
The US doesn't have to be destroyed. All we have to do is elect Obama or Clinton. Neither would come to Israel's aid. They'd go to the UN. The UN would draft some resolution about how unhappy they are.

But before Israel is attacked, Iran will invade Iraq after we prematurely pull our troops out, then invades Kuwait, then annexes Syria and Lebanon, forms a military treaty with Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt. Iran essentially sweeps the Middle East much like Hitler did to Europe.

Turkey becomes a fundamental Islamic state, a revolution in Pakistan puts the terrorists in charge giving them The Bomb and tested missiles. Pakistan gives the Bomb to Iran (which is now most of the Middle East).

By then the US economy is in such trouble we won't do a thing because of our dependence on their oil.

Now Israel is surrounded and on it's own.

It is very interesting that the U.S. has opened the door for a revival of the ancient Persian empire.:B

Roelof
Mar 19th 2008, 06:44 AM
We are definatly heading in that direction of a "one world" belief. Have you heard of the highway in the US, Mexico and Canada? Soon the US, Mexico, and Canada will all mesh together into a one world sort of thing.

In secret they have formed the North American Union.

Roelof
Mar 19th 2008, 03:28 PM
Washington - President George W. Bush said on Wednesday he had no regrets about the unpopular war in Iraq despite the "high cost in lives and treasure" and declared that the United States was on track for a major victory there. Marking the fifth anniversary of the US-led invasion with a touch of the swagger he showed early in the war, Bush said in a speech at the Pentagon, "The successes we are seeing in Iraq are undeniable."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2291205,00.html

Saved7
Mar 19th 2008, 04:01 PM
I have some privy info from a woman that her sector always leads the economy by about 9 months, and is precise.

She says were in for some deep doo doo. I explored, and she said she's scared.

I can't say more but she was a very business savy woman that made boat loads of money for years and years, she is an expert at what she does and she says the sky is black black black being and understatement.

Well, we certainly wouldn't have a clue as to who this woman is, so I think it's pretty safe to tell us "what sector" she lives in. That way we can all watch and have an idea what to expect.;)

Roelof
Mar 21st 2008, 04:00 AM
Fresh US fears send dollar and markets plunging

Stock markets across Europe and Asia plummeted this morning as the dollar slumped to a new 12-year low and fears grew that the US Federal Reserve's surprise $280 billion liquidity bailout will fail to stop a full-blown recession.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/article3544604.ece

I coul not found anything about the USA in Biblical prohesy, is there anything?

What will happen to their world domination if the USA goes into a full-blown recession?

dan
Mar 26th 2008, 08:25 AM
It is very interesting that the U.S. has opened the door for a revival of the ancient Persian empire.:B

...If it is God's Will?

Roelof
May 29th 2008, 09:10 AM
Until now I have thought that the European Union (EU) is the Revived Roman Empire.


The Beast from the Sea: Revelation 13 (KJV Bible Commentary)

13:2. This verse throws much light on Daniel 7:1–12. There the first beast was a lion (eagles’ wings are added to bring out added truth), namely, Babylon; the second was a bear, that is, Medo-Persia; the third was a leopard (birds’ wings and heads are included to set forth additional truths), i.e., Greece. The fourth beast is not likened to any known animal in nature; hence, it is called the nondescript. Now it is clear why the fourth beast is not named, because there is no beast that combines the features of a leopard, bear, and lion. But the revived Roman Empire will incorporate the features of the preceding three empires. Ancient Rome boasted that no matter how many powers she subjugated in her conquests, she could always assimilate them into her hegemony. That political power is being emphasized here is certain from the mention of his power, and his seat (i.e., the whole earth), and great authority.

THE OLD ROMAN EMPIRE (395 AD)

Map of the boundaries of the western (brown) and eastern (purple) Roman empires after the death of Theodosius I, in 395 AD.

The Roman Empire is the phase of the ancient Roman civilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) characterized by an autocratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocracy) form of government and large territorial holdings in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) and the Mediterranean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean).

As the Western Roman Empire declined during the 5th century, the richer Eastern Roman Empire would be relieved of much destruction, and in the mid 6th century the Eastern Roman Empire (known also as the Byzantine Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire)) under the emperor Justinian I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian_I) reconquered Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy).

THE UPCOMING MEDITERRANEAN UNION (MU) [Dark blue]

The Mediterranean Union, is a proposed community of European Union member states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_member_state) and countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea) planned to be established in July 2008.

The MU would consist of all the EU states and those countries on the Mediterranean rim/participating in the Barcelona process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona_process). The idea is to form a "bridge" between Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), North Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa) and the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East).

The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership (or Barcelona Process) started in 1995 with the Barcelona Euro-Mediterranean Conference. It was organized by the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) to strengthen its relations with the countries in the Mashriq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashriq) and Maghreb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghreb) regions.

The European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) enlargement of 2004 brought two Mediterranean countries (Cyprus and Malta) into the Union, while adding a total of 10 to the number of Member States. The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership today comprises 37 members: 27 EU Member States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_member_state) and 10 Mediterranean Partners (Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria), Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), Morocco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco), the Palestinian Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority), Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), Tunisia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia) and Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)). Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya) has had observer status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_status) since 1999.

A comparison of the 395 AD Roman Empire map with the upcoming Mediterranean Union (MU) map, reveals that they are very close to each other.

THE MEDITERRANEAN UNION (MU) IS INDEED THE REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE !!!

According to my research, the End of the End Times started in the Sabbatical Year 1986 / 87.

The next Sabbatical Year is 2014 / 15 and I expect a major Biblical event.

We are blessed to live in the End of the End Times !!!

Watch and be ready.

Source: wikipedia

themarcthomas
May 29th 2008, 02:28 PM
You're assuming quite alot of things there....

I feel a little bit qualified to talk about this as I'm both a student of EU polictics and policies as well as a student of the Word.

1)Mediterranean Union (MU) is not about a new kind of political union in the sense that the Roman Empire was. - MU is much more to do with the issues of European Border control - something particularly important to Monsieur Sarkozy who is championing MU with all his might. It also bears regard towards economic interests. Additionally, some people regard MU as a bargaining point with Turkey (So that those who are sceptical of Turkish EU membership prospects are appeased.)

2)The Roman Empire was a self-sufficient and highly military power - Yes, it's true to say that Rome wasn't built in a day, and European Union certainly wasn't (more than a few would argue that it remains unbuilt) but with the upcoming MU, you certainly won't want to worry about a Mediterranean Army. It's incredibly unlikely.

I realise that alot of the Mediterannean EU Member States (MSs) are pro-CFSP (Common foreign and security policy) and PJCCM (Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters - formerly Justice and Home affairs) but they will certainly not be forming a military union. No western diplomatic or political power would allow this.

3) No-one will directly be able to be an absolute leader of MU. I do not know the ins-and-outs of the leadership structure and policy network, but there will be an system of 'Checks and Balances,' to ensure a complete non-domination situation. This was the complete opposite in Rome. A military leader, or Caesar, was always in power.

4) Don't take biblical commentary from Wikipedia. It's bad for your health or something like that. Even though it is twice as accurate than Encycopaedia Britannica (Source: Wikipedia).:lol: (Couldn't resist).

Keep on watching though Roelof. It's all going to happen someday soon! I just don't think this is it. Although I do not know.

He knocks,
Marc Thomas
[heknocks.com]

markedward
May 29th 2008, 04:17 PM
I have a question - What happens if nothing happens? People have been claiming they were in the "end of the end times" for over a century now. People claimed Jesus would come back in 1912, 1914, 1918, 1944, 1945, 1948, the 1970's, the 1980's, the 1990's, 2000, 2001, and so on. First it was Russia, then China, then Germany, then Russia again, then China again, then Italy, then China again, then Europe, then the whole world, then Europe again, now you're claiming it's the Mediterranean Union.

I'm not saying "You are wrong," but I am saying that out of the hundreds of people before you who claimed they knew when the end would come, who are you to say you're right when everyone before you was wrong?

themarcthomas
May 29th 2008, 04:25 PM
In defence of Roelof, it's good to watch for the signs of the times. It's biblical to do so.

However, absolutes probably aren't a good idea either. I just can't wait to see Him crack the sky.

He knocks,
Marc Thomas
[heknocks.com]

Roelof
May 29th 2008, 06:25 PM
I have a question - What happens if nothing happens? ......
I'm not saying "You are wrong," but I am saying that out of the hundreds of people before you who claimed they knew when the end would come, who are you to say you're right when everyone before you was wrong?

Sorry, I think you missed my whole story.
The area of the coming MU looks very similar to the 395 AD Roman Empire.
I know the government structures differ completely.

I don't know when the Second Coming of Christ will be. I only said that I expect a major Biblical event in 2014/15. If you know the prophesies, you can decide for yourself what it could be.

Please read my post on the "End Time Timeline"

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=124437

Roelof
May 29th 2008, 06:31 PM
You're assuming quite alot of things there....

Marc Thomas
[heknocks.com]

Mark

I am not a boffin on politics. I always appreciate help, inputs and advice.
Some info from wikipedia:

Under the original plans, members would form a regular council under a rotating presidency (similar to the current EU model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union)) dealing with energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_energy_resources), security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security), counter-terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-terrorism), immigration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration) and trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade). French nuclear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy) expertise would be exchanged for North African gas reserves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas). The Mediterranean and European Unions would work together and share some institutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutions_of_the_European_Union), including a common judicial area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction) to fight corruption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption), terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism), organised crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_crime) and people smuggling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_smuggling).

mizzdy
May 30th 2008, 12:20 AM
Walid Shoebat comes to mind when I read about the MU. I think that whenever the prophecies come true these nations have their part to play. In another article I read (I can't find it right now) it was hinted that Turkey may be given the first jab at rotating presidency. Time will tell on that. I have my doubts that Turkey will ever be a EU member and I don't believe they will be very happy if that comes about.


http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/summit-approves-union-mediterranean/article-170976

Roelof
May 30th 2008, 03:32 AM
mizzdy

I am still learning on the MU issue. If you have info, please post it.

I think we must all watch and be ready, the next major Biblical event is very near.

servant of Lord
May 30th 2008, 03:42 AM
mizzdy

I am still learning on the MU issue. If you have info, please post it.

I think we must all watch and be ready, the next major Biblical event is very near.


I agree....we do not know when the day comes...if it be in death or rapture..we should always be looking for OUr Lord to come..the bible spoke of mockers, where is the promise of His coming? I have been guilty of letting my mind believe the natural things of this earth..all the way to questioning my faith...But praise God that He always teaches and leads His children and that I found that Christ is who He is..Saviour of the world ..and soon coming King of Kings..
I am not saying that you are mocking...not at all..I have asked the same questioned..many times in history I wonder what did they think with all that was happening..
But, I know that I know that He is coming..He told us He was..I Know that I know that I will look for it..and when I do I see that day is coming..I may not be so good as explaing it as most of you are..But , I thank GOd that I am His ...and on that Day I can look at it with Hope of my salvation through Christ Jesus...
There are just to many things lining up that say, Look up !

themarcthomas
May 30th 2008, 09:35 AM
I've dug up some information from the European Direct Information Centre - v.helpful.

Press Release from the Commission (http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/774&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en)
"The project is open to all EU member states as well as countries from North Africa, the Middle East and the Balkans and includes the Palestinian authorities." - Deutsche Welle Online (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3349415,00.html)
Free Download of a PDF article on Mediterranean Union (http://shop.ceps.eu/BookDetail.php?item_id=1624)
Financial Times- European Section - This has been an incredibly useful and informative source in all things EU. (http://www.ft.com/world/europe)


It is quite funny, in the second half of this year, France will be holding the rotating presidency of the EU. I applied to intern in the British Embassy of Paris during this time. How cool would it have been to be a part of something so historic? Too bad.

What is interesting though, is that Sarkozy is both the champion of anti-immigration into the EU but also of Mediterranean Union which would deal with the immigration countries directly. How strange - I wonder what he means to do.

He knocks,
Marc Thomas
[heknocks.com]

mizzdy
May 30th 2008, 07:03 PM
This along with the others posted should keep ya busy. ;)

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3083 http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6879

Marc Thomas,
An internship would have been great and to actually be there when history happened well awesome is a great word. I had an article that I just cannot find that showed Sarkozy's ties/bent/favortism with the MU. His wives/girlfriends seem to have some type of ties also. Its been awhile since I read it and more than likely am not explaining it well. I will try very hard to find it. I am sure that most have heard of Walid Shoebat by now but this does fit into his end times scenario. The last interview I saw of him he was telling everyone that we all need to start looking at Turkey and he was so adamant about it. I have heard more people lately saying the same thing so there might just be something there. :hmm: Have you heard of the Transatlantic Common Market? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59713 I would be interested in what you think about this.

Jerome1
May 31st 2008, 04:18 AM
2)The Roman Empire was a self-sufficient and highly military power - Yes, it's true to say that Rome wasn't built in a day, and European Union certainly wasn't (more than a few would argue that it remains unbuilt) but with the upcoming MU, you certainly won't want to worry about a Mediterranean Army. It's incredibly unlikely.


Hi i'm not sure if you have ever studied Roman history and the wars between the western and eastern Roman Empires.

The ancient Roman Empire was spilt into two separate empires, the western empire, who's religious and political capital was in Rome. And the eastern empire, who's political and religious capital was Constantinople.

When both the eastern and western empires fell, Rome remained the religous capital of the western part of the Roman Empire, and Moscow regarded itself as the new Rome and head of both the Orthodox church and eastern Roman Empire.

It is interesting to note that people like Charlemagne, Napolean and Hitler and others regarded themselves as a continuation of the old Emperors of the western Roman Empire. They gave themselves the title of Emperor or Kaiser(Caesar). This is also true regarding the various political leaders of Russia who gave themselves the title of Tzar(Caesar).

Both world wars have involved leaders of both these empires fighting against one another. Germany attacked Russia in both the first and second world wars. There have also been other conflicts, including the Napoleonic invasion of Russia, and the Crimean war.

The vast majority of Europeans who went to settle in America were from western Europe, Germany, France, England, Ireland, etc etc.... America came to the aid of the Allies during world war two. They also came very close to war with Russia during the Cuban missle crisis.

My point in mentioning all of this, is that it could be argued that the de facto capital of the western Roman Empire is Brussels, and Moscow could be considered the de facto capital of the eastern Roman Empire.

Roelof
Jun 1st 2008, 04:32 PM
I've dug up some information from the European Direct Information Centre - v.helpful. Marc Thomas
[heknocks.com]

Marc

Thanks for the links, I enjoyed it.

Roelof
Jun 1st 2008, 04:38 PM
This along with the others posted should keep ya busy. ;)

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3083 http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6879



For us living in the south of Africa, I follow the creation of the new MU with great interest.

resbmc
Jun 1st 2008, 08:51 PM
I do see that, for many years I thought that when Europe became a economical nation, that was the 10 toes of Daniels vision, but it is much bigger than that. The 10 econimical regions of the world, when they do come together, it has to be global, that is the 10 toes of Daniel. Looking in the past is so much larger than trying to see forward. For 30 years I was waiting for the EU to come together, but now I know it is the 10 economical regions, who according to Rev 17:12, those 10 have no power yet, but are given power for one Hour, (15 days), 24 hours divided into 365 days.

Roelof
Jun 2nd 2008, 05:36 AM
I am not a boffin on politics and would appreciate any posts on the current and future role of Iraq in the Middle East.

For a reference please read my post on Three Specific Signposts and the End Times:

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=127157

Roelof
Jun 2nd 2008, 06:09 AM
I do see that, for many years I thought that when Europe became a economical nation, that was the 10 toes of Daniels vision, but it is much bigger than that. The 10 econimical regions of the world, when they do come together, it has to be global, that is the 10 toes of Daniel. Looking in the past is so much larger than trying to see forward. For 30 years I was waiting for the EU to come together, but now I know it is the 10 economical regions, who according to Rev 17:12, those 10 have no power yet, but are given power for one Hour, (15 days), 24 hours divided into 365 days.

resbmc

Thanks for your valuable comments. I also thought that the EU was it, but now I realize that something bigger must happen before the Tribulation.
I am not sure if the ten toes are ten world regions, or ten nations in the revived Roman Emoire?

vinsight4u8
Jun 3rd 2008, 11:21 AM
I haven't read your other thread yet, but signing off, so I will look at it later...

What do you think about the prophecy of Zec. 5?
about the land of Shinar

and chapter 6?
as to the north country
=the land of the Euphrates River
where Judah was made desolate from

today Iraq


Deuteronomy 32:20-21 and verse 34?
as to in the latter days Israel will be provoked to anger by a foolish nation

Roelof
Jun 3rd 2008, 03:22 PM
The number of Ethiopians in need of emergency food aid in drought-affected regions has risen to 4.5 million, a government body said on Tuesday.

"Emergency beneficiaries have increased from 2.2 million to 4.5 million people as a result of change in seasonal performance," Simon Mechale, head of the Disaster Prevention and Preparedness Agency, said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_2334021,00.html

Roelof
Jun 3rd 2008, 03:36 PM
Zimbabwe has serious food shortages

The state-controlled daily Herald said that farmers planted 8 963 hectares of wheat this winter, only 13% of a government target of 70 000 ha.
It was also 53% less than last year's plantings.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2333311,00.html

theleast
Jun 3rd 2008, 05:32 PM
One of the four horsemen is famine.

Roelof
Jun 4th 2008, 05:55 AM
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's presence at a food crisis summit in Rome should serve as an example to others of "what not to do" when it comes to food security, the US State Department said on Tuesday.
Mugabe's attendance at the UN crisis summit has provoked strong criticism and organisers left him and Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad off the guest list of a ceremonial dinner.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2334099,00.html

Roelof
Jun 4th 2008, 03:13 PM
Malnutrition in mothers and their young children will claim 3.5 million lives this year

Around 140 million children suffer from vitamin A deficiency, which can cause blindness, immune system problems and death, or zinc deficiency, which can stunt growth. Supplements of these nutrients, however, are both effective and extremely cheap – at 20 US cents per person per year for vitamin A and $1 for zinc.

Douglass North, a Nobel prize-winning Professor of Economics at Washington University in St Louis, and a member of the expert panel, said: “It has immediate and important consequences for improving the wellbeing of poor people around the world - that’s why it should be our number one priority.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033272.ece

(Shocking photo in link)

Roelof
Jun 5th 2008, 08:09 AM
For an excellent article, please read: The Restoration and Destruction of Babylon, at

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Babylonfall.htm (http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Babylonfall.htm)

We must carefully watch what happens in Iraq and the Middle East.

vinsight4u8
Jun 5th 2008, 12:23 PM
Shinar is the land in Iraq
between the Tigris the Euphrates rivers

Zechariah 5 shows that it was to rise to power and be evil again.

resbmc
Jun 5th 2008, 07:12 PM
I think this has already happened, and that is why the beast hates the harlot, and why we only have a short time left. Saddams army fell in 15 days, that is one hour, 365 days devided by 24 hours is 15.2 days, after that the beast hates the harlot, Rev 17:16, the 10 horns which thou sawest on the beast shall hate the whore. That is what has been going on since Saddams army fell, the extremist moslems are killing anybody there, women, children, innocent people, the beast now hates the harlot.
Folks we are getting close and I think 2014-2015 is going to be huge.

Roelof
Jun 5th 2008, 07:17 PM
Folks we are getting close and I think 2014-2015 is going to be huge.

resbmc

2014/15 is the next Sabbatical Year, what do you mean by "huge"?

resbmc
Jun 5th 2008, 08:24 PM
you already know I believe its all over by 2018, Israel being 70 years old, they have became a nation and by 2018 they will have had Jerusalem 50 years, these are huge numbers biblically

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 04:15 AM
According to the EU food summit in Rome, a child dies every 6 seconds of hunger, how tragic !!!

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 04:20 AM
you already know I believe its all over by 2018, Israel being 70 years old, they have became a nation and by 2018 they will have had Jerusalem 50 years, these are huge numbers biblically

resbmc

Thank you, you have confirmed my own research. Please keep sending posts on the End of the End Times.

We live in very exciting times !!!

Watch and be ready !!!

resbmc
Jun 6th 2008, 04:27 AM
YOU knowme, I will thru personal email, I dont know you personally, but I love you in Jesus, and you and me are going to nail down this year. we both have insights, we will be in the heavens at the shout!

wombat
Jun 6th 2008, 05:27 AM
Hi, everyone! I heard something today on the news that made my ears perk up to listen. Sounds like the U.S. government is making a secret deal with the Iraqi government so that we can build something like 50 military bases in Iraq and have a permanent presence there! Of course, now that the secret is out, the U.S. government is sounding as if they're denying it. Then again, maybe the report is truly wrong. Wouldn't it be nice if we could always trust our news media, our government officials, and the people of other nations' governments too, to tell the truth? Anyway, according to what I heard on the TV news, the U.S. is also making a deal to allow us control of the Iraqi airspace, and the authority to launch attacks on other nations directly from Iraq. I'll try to learn more about this. Anyone else heard anything about it?

ChristianKnight
Jun 6th 2008, 05:34 AM
I do not donate any to them funds cause I for one do not believe they go straight to them, and even if they did that we should help American kids first, and yes some American kids do starve.

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 05:40 AM
Rome - World leaders at a UN summit have embraced an ambitious strategy to combat a food crisis that is causing violent riots and threatening to push up to a billion people across the globe into hunger. Delegates from 181 countries pledged on Thursday to reduce trade barriers and boost agricultural production to combat rising food prices, but some nations and groups maintained more concrete measures will be needed.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2335933,00.html

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 05:43 AM
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places. (Mat 24:7)

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 07:16 AM
Sounds like the U.S. government is making a secret deal with the Iraqi government so that we can build something like 50 military bases in Iraq and have a permanent presence there!

Anyway, according to what I heard on the TV news, the U.S. is also making a deal to allow us control of the Iraqi airspace, and the authority to launch attacks on other nations directly from Iraq. I'll try to learn more about this. Anyone else heard anything about it?

wombat

This is strange and will have a big impact on Israel. Maybe the US will help with the restoration and build-up of Babylon?

kewldude
Jun 6th 2008, 07:32 AM
New agreement lets US strike any country from inside Iraq


By Basil Adas, Correspondent
Published: June 03, 2008, 13:42
Baghdad: A proposed Iraqi-American security agreement will include permanent American bases in the country, and the right for the United States to strike, from within Iraqi territory, any country it considers a threat to its national security, Gulf News has learned.


Senior Iraqi military sources have told Gulf News that the long-term controversial agreement is likely to include three major items.


Under the agreement, Iraqi security institutions such as Defence, Interior and National Security ministries, as well as armament contracts, will be under American supervision for ten years.


The agreement is also likely to give American forces permanent military bases in the country, as well as the right to move against any country considered to be a threat against world stability or acting against Iraqi or American interests

The military source added, "According to this agreement, the American forces will keep permanent military bases on Iraqi territory, and these will include Al Asad Military base in the Baghdadi area close to the Syrian border, Balad military base in northern Baghdad close to Iran, Habbaniyah base close to the town of Fallujah and the Ali Bin Abi Talib military base in the southern province of Nasiriyah close to the Iranian border."

The sources confirmed that the American army is in the process of completing the building of the military facilities and runways for the permanent bases.

He added that the American air bases in Kirkuk and Mosul will be kept for no longer than three years. However, he said there were efforts by the Americans to include the Kirkuk base in the list of permanent bases.

The sources also said that a British brigade was expected to remain at the international airport in Basra for ten years as long as the American troops stayed in the permanent bases in Iraq.

Iraqi analysts said that the second item of the controversial agreement which permits American forces on Iraqi territories to launch military attacks against any country it considers a threat is addressed primarily to Iran and Syria.

Iran has raised serious concerns in the past few days over the Iraqi-American security agreement and followed it with issuing religious fatwas and called for demonstrations, mainly by the powerful Shiite leader Moqtada Al Sadr movement, who is close to Iran, against the agreement.

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 08:58 AM
New agreement lets US strike any country from inside Iraq

Iraqi analysts said that the second item of the controversial agreement which permits American forces on Iraqi territories to launch military attacks against any country it considers a threat is addressed primarily to Iran and Syria.



kewldude

This is very significant news. I read this morning that the US would like to destroy the nuclear plants of Iran.

If we consider the following, the changes are high that war might break out in the Middle East during Aug / Sep 2008:

2008 - The first of three solar eclipses on the day that introduces the first of Av (partial eclipse on 1 August 2008). Av 9 is the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples.The days leading up to Tisha B'Av are known as The Nine Days. However, there will come a time when God will reverse the fast days and turn them into feast days, Zechariah said in Zech. 8:19
2009 - The second of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 22 July 2009
2010 - The third of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 11 July 2010

Watch and be ready !!!

vinsight4u8
Jun 6th 2008, 12:12 PM
Are you aware that the KJV has it right?

The beast does not hate the harlot.
The beast will not be involved in burning the harlot city of Tyre.

v 17
"For God hath put in their hearts..."

This is the same group that v 16 has as will hate the harlot.

to give their kingdom unto the beast

Rev. 17

resbmc
Jun 6th 2008, 02:27 PM
we are not in "the latter times, latter days," we are not in the end times, we are in the end of times, maybe 10 years left, Come Lord Jesus, Come

resbmc
Jun 6th 2008, 03:09 PM
My KJV says,vs 16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore,"

Roelof
Jun 6th 2008, 03:54 PM
According to Revelation 17, the origin of the false world religion of the end-time period can be traced back to Babylon. The ancient Babylonian Empire that was founded by Nimrod, was governed in close association with the heathen religion of that time. The marriage between religion and politics was so intimate that this empire was controlled by a priest-king who made use of occult powers and astrology to take decisions and to rule. The king was the personification of the sun-god, who was regarded as the giver of light and life. This superstition gave rise to the cult of the sun-pillars, from which the later obelisks and peace-poles of modern times evolved. Revelation 17 and 18 describe how a neo-Babylonian government, religion and economy will be established before the Second Coming of Christ. The roots of the New Age Movement, therefore, go very far back in time – it is nothing new!

The end-time emergence of the New Age Movement is linked to the Russian-born Madame Helena Blavatsky who founded the Theosophical Society in New York in 1875. She received her revelations and commands directly from a spiritual master with whom she had telepathic contact. She offered herself as a medium to higher (demonic) powers that worked through her.

As a result of these revelations, she published the book Isis Unveiled in 1877, and the six volume The Secret Doctrine in 1888. In these volumes she expounded the secret doctrine that, according to her master, forms the foundation of all religious, philosophical and knowledge systems.

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Newage.htm

Roelof
Jun 7th 2008, 07:32 AM
Accused of genocide, callous contempt for life and deliberately causing starvation, the Zimbabwean Government faced an outpouring of international anger yesterday after its decision to halt all aid operations in the country in the run-up to the deciding presidential vote.
Foreign agencies and governments raised fears of dire consequences for the already fragile humanitarian situation if the ban was not lifted.
The United Nations said that the decision spelt disaster for four million Zimbabweans dependent on food aid after the collapse of the agricultural sector.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4083527.ece

vinsight4u8
Jun 7th 2008, 03:06 PM
My KJV says,vs 16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore,"

John is just being told the location as to where he saw the ten horns.
Look at how verse 16 must connect to 17.

verse 17
"For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will...give their kingdom..."
in their hearts - this part requires the reader to have learned that designated group in the previous verse.


so
Verse 16 is only referring to the ones that will give their kingdom to the beast.

Verse 17 is carrying on with the same group as was mentioned in verse 16.

Roelof
Jun 7th 2008, 03:26 PM
The reason for this thread is that I believe the "End of the End Times" started in the Sabbatical Year 1986/87 and the Middle East will play a major role.


Obama Torpedoes the Palestinian State

Presumptive Democratic Presidential Nominee Barack Obama took only 14 words to effectively put paid to the idea that a third Palestinian State -- in addition to Israel and Jordan -- will be created during his term as President if he wins the forthcoming election in November.

Addressing the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington this week Mr Obama declared: "[A]ny agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/12904.htm

Kahtar
Jun 7th 2008, 03:29 PM
Jordan and Israel are Palestinian states? Don't think so...........

Joe King
Jun 7th 2008, 06:33 PM
we are not in "the latter times, latter days," we are not in the end times, we are in the end of times, maybe 10 years left, Come Lord Jesus, Come


Yes, please come back soon:pp:pp

Literalist-Luke
Jun 7th 2008, 06:59 PM
Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised at Obama's stance on the Israel issue.

wombat
Jun 7th 2008, 07:11 PM
Hi, Roelof! I do feel that these current food shortages around the globe are a sign that Jesus spoke of when He said their would be famines before His return. Just this year in particular, much of today's headlines center around the food crisis. There have been rice shortages, corn shortages, and wheat shortages, among many other food substances. Revelation 6:5-6 speaks of the apocalyptic black horse bringing famine. It says a loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will sell for a day's pay! I suspect that we've just seen the beginning of this food crisis and that it will grow worse and worse until the black horse begins its ride. I know some people believe the horses are already riding, and that may be true. I don't know. My theory is that the first horse, the white horse, represents the rise of the antiChrist, so the following horses would ride after he is made known to the world. That's just a theory, though.

Anyway, here's a link to an article regarding the wheat crisis. I found this very interesting in relation to the Revelation 6 reference to wheat bread.

http://www.worthynews.com/news/washingtontimes-com-apps-pbcs-dll-article-AID--20080509-FOREIGN-646631468-1001/ (http://www.worthynews.com/news/washingtontimes-com-apps-pbcs-dll-article-AID--20080509-FOREIGN-646631468-1001/)

RevLogos
Jun 7th 2008, 07:57 PM
Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised at Obama's stance on the Israel issue.

Everyone had better pay a little closer attention to Obama and his use of things we call "words".

He said this (from Jpost):


"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," Obama declared Wednesday, to rousing applause from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference.Sounds good. But his campaign said this (from Jpost):


But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes "Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties" as part of "an agreement that they both can live with."

He refused to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods.
Obama also said this at AIPAC:


"Let me be clear," Obama said, "Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable. The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive and that allows them to prosper. Oh how wonderful - oh wait - Wait! Did he just promise the Palestinians "a state that is contiguous and cohesive"? That would divide Israel into two states.

Now is probably time to intrduce to everyone a very key person in Obama's campaign: Obama delegate Yousef Yee. Ever hear of that name? James "Yousef" Yee, a former Army Muslim chaplain charged with espionage while serving at Gitmo, will represent Washington state for Obama at the Democratic National Convention, where he'll likely have a center-stage speaking role.

Yousef Yee was caught returning to the U.S. with maps of Gitmo prison facilities, among other classified materials, and was arrested at a U.S. airport. He was charged with espionage, mishandling classified documents and lying to investigators. There's no question that Yee, a captain who converted to Islam, was sympathetic to al-Qaida and Taliban captives at Gitmo. These charges were dropped because, as Guantanamo commander Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller explains (who originally accused Yee of spying) that there were "national security concerns that would arise from the release of the evidence" if the case moved to trial. (info above from from Investors Business Daily).

I have no idea what Obama really believes about anything. Nothing should ever be inferred from any words he uses. We must look at his associations for clues.

wombat
Jun 8th 2008, 02:31 AM
Everyone had better pay a little closer attention to Obama and his use of things we call "words". I have no idea what Obama really believes about anything. Nothing should ever be inferred from any words he uses. We must look at his associations for clues.
Hi, everyone! I was very surprised to hear that Obama had made such a claim supporting Israel, as well, but I am not surprised to now hear his words were deceptive. I have also heard him claim to be a Christian, but when I then hear other things about how he supports abortion and homosexuality and may have some ties with Islam and/or the New Age Movement, it certainly makes me wonder about that. Only God knows for sure about where Obama's true loyalty lies, but we should watch and see what kind of "fruit" this man bears.

theleast
Jun 8th 2008, 03:42 AM
Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised at Obama's stance on the Israel issue.

Do you not recognize rhetoric?

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 03:47 AM
... when I then hear other things about how he supports abortion and homosexuality and may have some ties with Islam and/or the New Age Movement, it certainly makes me wonder about that. Only God knows for sure about where Obama's true loyalty lies, but we should watch and see what kind of "fruit" this man bears.

It appears that Obama might be suitable to join the inner circle of the final AC?

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 03:58 AM
Hi, Roelof! I do feel that these current food shortages around the globe are a sign that Jesus spoke of when He said their would be famines before His return.
Revelation 6:5-6 speaks of the apocalyptic black horse bringing famine. It says a loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will sell for a day's pay!

wombat

It Africa the food crisis is growing daily.
I also expect the black horse to ride soon, with the opening of the 3rd seal !!!

wombat
Jun 8th 2008, 04:50 AM
It appears that Obama might be suitable to join the inner circle of the final AC?
It's a scary thought. I wonder where this election will end up. I understand that Israel may also be holding elections soon, as Olmert's time in office is soon to be over. Things are changing so fast. We just started hearing of Bush's peace program last year, now before a deal is even reached Olmert is to be soon out of office, new elections are to be held, the U.S. is about to change presidents, the U.S. and Israel are both speaking about the posibility of attacking Iran, a Mediterranean Union is set to be launched in July, Tony Blair's Faith Foundation is preparing to unite the world's religions in effort to solve the world's problems, and... I'm sure much more is yet to come!

Can Jesus be very far away?

RevLogos
Jun 8th 2008, 05:11 AM
Hi, everyone! I was very surprised to hear that Obama had made such a claim supporting Israel, as well, but I am not surprised to now hear his words were deceptive. I have also heard him claim to be a Christian, but when I then hear other things about how he supports abortion and homosexuality and may have some ties with Islam and/or the New Age Movement, it certainly makes me wonder about that. Only God knows for sure about where Obama's true loyalty lies, but we should watch and see what kind of "fruit" this man bears.

Yes, Obama claims to be a Christian.


They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,

Does this sound like a Christian? Or in any way a spiritual man? Or even a man who respects faith?

Yes, watch his fruits and watch who he has associated with.

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 05:30 AM
Are oil-riched countries in the Middle East, who have 52% of world oil reserves, tightening their grip on the world economy?

THE surge in oil prices to a record level of more than $139 a barrel on Friday has left the economy facing a severe “stagflationary” shock, economists say, with a rising risk of recession alongside high inflation.
A record, two-day surge in oil prices of $16 a barrel last week followed analysts’ predictions that the price will soon hit $150 and could go as high as $200. While others say that the sharply rising price is indicative of a speculative bubble that will soon burst, few investors have so far been prepared to bet against it.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article4087314.ece

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 05:33 AM
Robert Mugabe’s decision to ban relief for his desperate citizens infringes every canon of human decency.
It puts the Zimbabwean government – perhaps too dignified a term – beyond the regimes even of Burma and Sudan in callousness. The crude device of state food for votes is a direct challenge to world sympathy, and to those who believe that such sympathy should be more than a collective cry of woe, and should motivate action.
The human tragedies still being experienced in the Irrawaddy delta and in the deserts of Darfur are now unseen. They have vanished from the world’s screens, as old news is not news. Rulers in these countries have stopped the wellsprings of global reaction at their source, that of publicity.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/simon_jenkins/article4087573.ece

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 08:23 AM
In response to the announcement that that Israel and the Palestian Authority officials are to begin drafting peace agreement, Knesset members from various parties express fury at the attempt to create a 'political coup' in the 'dying days' of the corrupt Prime Minister Olmert's government.

Israeli officials tried to downplay the news, saying the negotiations are far from a stage where a final accord can be drawn up. "While there are points of consent on minor issues, there is still a complex disparity when it comes to the core issues," said officials vaguely. "The stage of drawing up an agreement is still far away. The efforts continue and there is much work ahead of us."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/12907.htm

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 12:08 PM
The rising cost of food was a time bomb that could result in uprisings, ANC president Jacob Zuma told the World Economic Forum on Africa today.

"The issue of food prices is actually a time bomb," he told a plenary of the forum, being held in Cape Town.

"With those who have the budgets to adjust, [it] is one thing. But with those who have no money to buy at all, once the food price goes up, they are cut out, even from the possibility of buying food.

"Then you are sitting with a situation that an uprising would emerge."

Zuma was speaking against the background of a global doubling in the price of wheat in the past year, and an almost 80 percent hike in the African and Asian staples maize and rice over the same period.

Soaring food costs have already sparked riots in Egypt, Indonesia, Cameroon, Peru and Haiti.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=779835

Roelof
Jun 8th 2008, 03:14 PM
The spirit of ancient Babylon blows strongly through Iraq to establish an antichristian new word order. It is not only aimed at transforming Iraq but also other countries in the region and in the world.
The continued presence of the American-led coalition forces in Iraq is a prelude to great and far-reaching changes in that land and also in the rest of the world. The USA plans to establish a democracy, free-market economy, and religious equality in Babylonia, which will send a clear message to Teheran, Damascus, and other authoritarian governments to follow Iraq’s example if they wish to have peace and be fully accepted by the international community.

Should the USA’s experiment succeed in this highly volatile and political unstable part of the world it will be a major breakthrough for the emerging new world order of peaceful coexistence and multinational cooperation.

King Abdullah is strongly committed to a multireligious vision as he believes that all religions have much in common and can consequently associate and work together peacefully.

In a certain sense, the reforms in Iraq are implemented on a worldwide scale. A Babylonian spirit of multireligious thinking is universally at work, seeking to promote understanding, tolerance, peace and unity among all peoples, cultures and religions.

The history of the nations started with a Babylonian conspiracy against the kingdom of God, as described in the first book of the Bible – Genesis (Chapter 11). In the last book of the Bible, Revelation (Chapters 17–18), a description is given of how the history of the nations will end in this dispensation – with a repetition of that early Babylonian conspiracy against the kingdom of God. Modern technology and the proliferation of evil will render the present conspiracy exceedingly more fierce and destructive.

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Babylon.htm

wombat
Jun 8th 2008, 06:06 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is some information I discovered yesterday. Sounds like the EU may be gearing up to have a powerful military, if Nicolas Sarkozy can get things in the works during France's presidency term. Here is an article about it... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4083354.ece

resbmc
Jun 8th 2008, 06:52 PM
those 10 kings who have no power or kingdom except for one hour.
1 North America, 2 Euro, 3 Japan, 4 Australia, New Zealand and southern Africa, 5 Russia and New Eastern Europe, 6 South America, 7 North Africa, and Middle East, 8 Middle Africa, 9 India and Malasia, 10 China.
From the Club of Rome.

wombat
Jun 8th 2008, 07:44 PM
Here's an article for you regarding the food crisis and how it is working to create a "new world order." This article is from a website called "oneworld.net", so that will give you an idea of where their biases and loyalties lay. The link is http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/160799/1/

resbmc
Jun 8th 2008, 07:49 PM
has rode, he worships the false prophet, it is just who will give the false prophet his power, it is not God, and these are the beginning, if the tribulation has not already started.

RevLogos
Jun 8th 2008, 07:58 PM
The moment there is a peace deal between Israel and any Muslim group in the Middle East, is the day I quit saving for retirement. I won't need it.

Literalist-Luke
Jun 9th 2008, 04:34 AM
Hmph. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w40/litluke/mmph.gif I shoulda known.

Arab anger forces Obama to backtrack on Jerusalem (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16244)

My heart's Desire
Jun 9th 2008, 05:15 AM
The reason for this thread is that I believe the "End of the End Times" started in the Sabbatical Year 1986/87 and the Middle East will play a major role.

I certainly don't know about the date but what I do know is that if people looking at all the drama surrounding Israel, the Middle East and the U.S at this point in time cannot see that Israel and the M.E are in prophecy and on God's timetable then I don't know what will make them see. Truly, as Zechariah states, Jerusalem has become a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around and Jerusalem has become a heavy stone for all peoples. And as Zech states, all nations of the earth will be gathered against it.
Truly, even how a future President plans on dealing with it is in the minds of many. I believe with all my heart that I'm gonna get to see what the Bible says long before I understand what it says about the end times.

My heart's Desire
Jun 9th 2008, 05:27 AM
The moment there is a peace deal between Israel and any Muslim group in the Middle East, is the day I quit saving for retirement. I won't need it.I'm with you ONLY the way its going I see a war of some sort before there is any peace agreement or a war because there becomes an agreement.

quiet dove
Jun 9th 2008, 05:33 AM
Hmph. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w40/litluke/mmph.gif I shoulda known.

Arab anger forces Obama to backtrack on Jerusalem (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16244)

"Working both ends against the middle"?

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 06:17 AM
"Working both ends against the middle"?

quiet dove

Thanks for the link.

It appears that peace is still far away:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was angry with Obama’s statements and said “we will not accept a Palestinian state without having Jerusalem as the capital."

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 06:29 AM
Here's an article for you regarding the food crisis and how it is working to create a "new world order."

wombat

A very good link. The following is for me a sign that we are already in the End of the End Times:

"We are in the midst of the most severe food crisis in the world's history," Brown said.

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 06:41 AM
has rode, he worships the false prophet, it is just who will give the false prophet his power, it is not God, and these are the beginning, if the tribulation has not already started.

resbmc

Why do you think the tribulation has already started?

If I look at the following signs, you might be right, or it COULD happen very soon:

2008 - The first of three solar eclipses on the day that introduces the first of Av (partial eclipse on 1 August 2008). Av 9 is the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples.The days leading up to Tisha B'Av are known as The Nine Days. However, there will come a time when God will reverse the fast days and turn them into feast days, Zechariah said in Zech. 8:19
2009 - The second of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 22 July 2009
2010 - The third of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 11 July 2010

(I am not in date setting, I only look at what signs did appear at major Biblical events)
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=124437


Watch, pray and be ready. :pp:pp:pp

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 01:15 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is some information I discovered yesterday. Sounds like the EU may be gearing up to have a powerful military, if Nicolas Sarkozy can get things in the works during France's presidency term. Here is an article about it... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4083354.ece

wombat

A very strong EU military force will also aid the forthcoming Mediterranean Union (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1665330#post1665330)

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 01:24 PM
those 10 kings who have no power or kingdom except for one hour.
1 North America, 2 Euro, 3 Japan, 4 Australia, New Zealand and southern Africa, 5 Russia and New Eastern Europe, 6 South America, 7 North Africa, and Middle East, 8 Middle Africa, 9 India and Malasia, 10 China.
From the Club of Rome.

resbmc

Please study this post and give your comments:

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1657991#post1657991

#14 post

looking forward
Jun 9th 2008, 01:57 PM
I am glad I found this thread, this gave me goose bumbs.

resbmc
Jun 9th 2008, 02:01 PM
I had not seen that by Midwest Bob, but have to say, have no arguments against that post, he is dead on, and I believe all of it, WISH I HAD WROTE IT!

looking forward
Jun 9th 2008, 02:26 PM
was always taught that Europe, was the revived Europe, was the toes of Daniel. This all makes perfectly intelligent common sense. Glad I found this site.

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 02:39 PM
It can now be shown conclusively that Daniel, a prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures, prophesied the coming of Islam 1200 years before Muhammad was born. Those same scriptures prophesied the crucifixion of Messiah over 500 years before Jesus was born. John, another Bible prophet, foresaw the new nation of Israel 1800 years before it was established. John then prophesied that Jerusalem would be freed of Islamic control by 1967.

All these events were foreseen right to the year, putting to rest the Islamic claim that Jewish and Christian Scriptures were corrupted.

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/

looking forward
Jun 9th 2008, 02:48 PM
I agree with My hearts Desire, I am trying to play catch up here, knowing we are winding down, and I have not been paying attention, I am now, I read all of these end time post, I cant comment on most, still trying to understand in my own way, someone called it, lets reason together, but I am finding out many things I was taught, just is not the truth. I want to know what God's word says, not someone interpretation of it, without any solid scripture backing. There are a rainbow of opinions here, I just, want the Biblical facts, back up by scripture, if you cant back it up reasonably, with scripture, I move on. But many here can back it up, and have disprove many things I once believed in. A hard pill to swallow.

wombat
Jun 9th 2008, 02:54 PM
I'm with you ONLY the way its going I see a war of some sort before there is any peace agreement or a war because there becomes an agreement.
I agree with you, My Heart's Desire! For some time now I've thought that there would be a war before the peace agreement is made. There's a verse in Ezekiel that is describing the Gog attack, which implies Israel is recovering from war at the time Gog attacks. It is Ezekiel 38:8, "A long time from now you will be called into action. In the distant future you will swoop down on the land of Israel, which will be lying in peace after her recovery from war and after the return of her people from many lands." Perhaps this speaks of the battles Israel fought in the time of her becoming a nation again and capturing Jerusalem. But perhaps it might refer to a war that will happen before the peace treaty. What is your opinion on this?

My heart's Desire
Jun 9th 2008, 04:06 PM
I agree with you, My Heart's Desire! For some time now I've thought that there would be a war before the peace agreement is made. There's a verse in Ezekiel that is describing the Gog attack, which implies Israel is recovering from war at the time Gog attacks. It is Ezekiel 38:8, "A long time from now you will be called into action. In the distant future you will swoop down on the land of Israel, which will be lying in peace after her recovery from war and after the return of her people from many lands." Perhaps this speaks of the battles Israel fought in the time of her becoming a nation again and capturing Jerusalem. But perhaps it might refer to a war that will happen before the peace treaty. What is your opinion on this?
My opinion is there will be a battle that the Lord will fight for Israel and no one else will be there to help but the Lord. I believe the passage in Isaiah about Damascus becoming a ruin has not been fulfilled and that could possibly happen in the process of all that is presently happening.

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 07:44 PM
Ths is not exactly a burning issue, I don't want to start a new threat for it.

Archaeologists in Jordan said on Monday they have discovered a cave underneath one of the world's oldest churches that may have once been an even more ancient site of Christian worship.

Archaeologist Abdel-Qader Hussein, head of the Rihab Centre for Archaeological Studies, says the cave was unearthed in the northern Jordanian city of Rihab after three months of excavation and shows evidence of early Christian rituals. The cave lies under St Georgeous church, built in 230 AD, making it one of the oldest churches in the world, along with one unearthed in the Jordanian southern port of Aqaba in 1998 and another in Israel discovered in 2005.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2337624,00.html

Roelof
Jun 9th 2008, 07:57 PM
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama did not preclude Palestinian sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem, or the possibility of the city being the capital of Palestine when he called for Israel's capital to remain "undivided," his campaign clarified.

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," Obama thundered Wednesday, earning an ovation from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12903.htm

wombat
Jun 9th 2008, 10:33 PM
My opinion is there will be a battle that the Lord will fight for Israel and no one else will be there to help but the Lord. I believe the passage in Isaiah about Damascus becoming a ruin has not been fulfilled and that could possibly happen in the process of all that is presently happening.
Yes, I've been considering the prophecy about Damascus, too! It will be interesting to see what future events hold for Syria if there is a war soon. I know they are allied with Iran, and if Israel or the U.S. does attempt to attack Iran over the nuclear weapons issue, I'm suspecting Damascus could be quickly involved.

quiet dove
Jun 9th 2008, 11:19 PM
I know this will go against the grain, ok, that was probably not a good way to put it. But I think you are wrong, the trib has not started. We have all the pieces of the puzzle coming together, war, famine, natural disasters, I agree we are close. But what we are seeing now will look good in comparison to what is yet to come.

IMHO, and not to change the debate, but just so you know where I am coming from. I believe the rider of the white horse is a world leader who conquers with the promise of peace and a solution to the worlds problems. So the problems we are seeing will work out for his benefit. Of course you and I know he cannot solve the problems. And IMHO the problems are nothing compared to what is coming.

The beginning of the trib will be this rider, one who conquers with peace and the promise of peace and the whole promise of better for everyone and all.

I do not believe it has begun, but would agree, the fig tree appears to be ready to bloom.

White Spider
Jun 9th 2008, 11:26 PM
More food problems, salmonella outbreak in 16 states has hospitalized 23 people and the source is currently unknown. Tomatoes are the culprits but that's all they know.

quiet dove
Jun 10th 2008, 12:10 AM
quiet dove

Thanks for the link.

It appears that peace is still far away:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was angry with Obama’s statements and said “we will not accept a Palestinian state without having Jerusalem as the capital."

Your more than welcome, but it was Literalist Luke who provided the link. :)

resbmc
Jun 10th 2008, 12:45 AM
I agree 100 % with your analogy.

Roelof
Jun 10th 2008, 06:11 AM
More food problems, salmonella outbreak in 16 states has hospitalized 23 people and the source is currently unknown. Tomatoes are the culprits but that's all they know.

I can not find the link, but I read yesterday that McDonalds ban the use of tomatoes.

White Spider
Jun 10th 2008, 04:03 PM
McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Taco Bell, Subway . . . etc.

There's a lot of places.

I can't find a link that lists them, but I know there are a lot of places doing it.

Roelof
Jun 11th 2008, 01:48 PM
It's a scary thought. I wonder where this election will end up. I understand that Israel may also be holding elections soon, as Olmert's time in office is soon to be over. Things are changing so fast. We just started hearing of Bush's peace program last year, now before a deal is even reached Olmert is to be soon out of office, new elections are to be held, the U.S. is about to change presidents, the U.S. and Israel are both speaking about the posibility of attacking Iran, a Mediterranean Union is set to be launched in July, Tony Blair's Faith Foundation is preparing to unite the world's religions in effort to solve the world's problems, and... I'm sure much more is yet to come!

Can Jesus be very far away?

wombat

You summarized the current world events very good.

I think the coming of Jesus is not far away :pp:pp:pp

Roelof
Jun 11th 2008, 02:00 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is some information I discovered yesterday. Sounds like the EU may be gearing up to have a powerful military, if Nicolas Sarkozy can get things in the works during France's presidency term. Here is an article about it... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4083354.ece

A powerful EU military will strengthen the upcoming MU, the revived Roman Empire.

Roelof
Jun 11th 2008, 03:09 PM
Iraqi troops recently gained victories in oil-rich Shiite city of Basra (http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/basra/) in the south, in the Sadr City (http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/sadr-city/) slums of Baghdad and in the Sunni-dominated city of Mosul (http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/mosul/) in the north.

U.S. military commanders in Iraq are not anxious to declare victory, because the gains may be temporary. The New York Times recently had reporters in Basra and Mosul and Sadr City to examine the changes. What did they find?

http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/iraq-closeup-looking-back-at-three-iraqi-victories/index.html?hp

Roelof
Jun 11th 2008, 03:36 PM
JERUSALEM — President Bush was hailed as “a great leader” and “a great friend” of Israel (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/israel/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) at an emotional Academy Awards-style celebration of the country’s 60th birthday here Wednesday night. But his visit, aimed at promoting peace in the Middle East, was instead marred by violence.

Maj. Gen. Uriel Bar-Lev, the police commander of Israel’s southern district, said bomb experts had determined that the rocket was Iranian-made. “It has Iranian fingerprints on it,” he said in an interview outside the mall, crushed glass underfoot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/washington/15prexy.html?scp=12&sq=Middle%20East&st=cse

My heart's Desire
Jun 11th 2008, 05:15 PM
Here is an interesting story. Notice the title. Avoidance

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1212659699142

Zech 12:2 Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. Nasb.

quiet dove
Jun 11th 2008, 09:04 PM
Here is an interesting story. Notice the title. Avoidance

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1212659699142

Zech 12:2 Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. Nasb.

More information on the link -:)


Voices of concern about the possibility of a wave of postponements of high-level visits because of political instability here have been raised in Jerusalem after British Foreign Secretary David Miliband cut short a Middle East visit without meeting Israeli leaders, and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper postponed his trip altogether.

My heart's Desire
Jun 12th 2008, 12:53 AM
Thank you QD. The article is really just saying they think some are avoiding Israel because it could be dangerous, not that they were coming against them. :)

RevLogos
Jun 12th 2008, 02:25 AM
Based on the Koran, the word of Allah, and on resulting Islamic traditions, no Muslim group will ever agree to a peace agreement with a non-Muslim group UNLESS it is to further the cause of Jihad. The goal of Jihad is world domination through subjugation, conversion, or death.

Muslims will not agree to a peace treaty for more than 10 years, and only if the Muslim group is weaker. The purpose of the treaty is to buy time, build strength, weapons, and for propaganda. When ready, even before the conclusion of the treaty, the Muslim party is allowed by Allah to break the treaty under any pretext. Then they will attack militarily unless non-military methods worked.

Much of the Koran reads more like The Art of War than a Bible.

What all this means is that any peace treaty with Muslims would be a false peace. It will only lead to a greater war later. This is what was behind my quip to stop saving for retirement if a peace agreement is reached. It just means war is near.

RevLogos
Jun 12th 2008, 02:47 AM
There is a new missile command agreement between Syria and Iran that did not hit the mainstream press. It was agreed to shortly before Ajad's most recent outburst against Israel saying that the "countdown has begun" for Israel's destruction.

This agreement was announced by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) defense minister Gen. Hassan Turkmani. One reason this was announced quietly was to not put off the political groups in the US arguing for unconditional meetings with Iran.

Iran and Syria are combining missile forces so they can strike Israel from more directions simultaneously than the US Arrow and Patriot missile defense systems can block. This gives Iran control of 4 hostile missile fronts (Iran, Syria, Gaza, Lebanon).

There is at this moment a race, US and Israel are hurriedly adding to the missile defense. Syria and Iran are hurriedly moving missiles into place and linking the command and control systems to Tehran. The new strategy has slowed down the Arrow/Patriot deployment as now it has to be replanned.

I figure it will all come to a head by September which is when the next Arrow system is expected to be ready.

A massive missile strike need not be nuclear.

Roelof
Jun 12th 2008, 04:25 AM
Beirut - Lebanon rejected on Wednesday a call by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for peace talks and demanded that Israel withdraw from disputed territory along their international borders. "There are pending bilateral issues between Lebanon and Israel which are governed by international resolutions which Israel must respect... and which cannot be the object of political negotiations," a government statement said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2339035,00.html

Roelof
Jun 12th 2008, 05:48 AM
There is a new missile command agreement between Syria and Iran that did not hit the mainstream press.

I figure it will all come to a head by September which is when the next Arrow system is expected to be ready.

A massive missile strike need not be nuclear.

Revolvr

Thanks for the info.
We must pray for God's nation Israel.

Your date of Sep 2008 makes perfect sense for me:

2008 - The first of three solar eclipses on the day that introduces the first of Av (partial eclipse on 1 August 2008). Av 9 is the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples.However, there will come a time when God will reverse the fast days and turn them into feast days, Zechariah said in Zech. 8:19
2009 - The second of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 22 July 2009
2010 - The third of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 11 July 2010

My heart's Desire
Jun 13th 2008, 05:08 AM
I had to go back so I could remember what this thread was actually about. Are earthquakes in Lebannon that are felt in Israel burning Middle East issues? If so, I found this on JP although I didn't see them on the list of earthquakes. I suppose being in that region that probably are quite a few though. Thurs. can't tell if there were 4 or 2.
read here.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1212659721680&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 05:28 AM
Thanks for the info on the earth quakes.

starchild
Jun 13th 2008, 05:50 AM
to the guy that started this thread...
HAVE FUN WHEN YOU'RE RAPTURED!

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 12:29 PM
According to my research the End of the End Times started in the Sabbatical Year 1986/87.

This is a thread on the role of the EU in this Last Days.

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 12:31 PM
According to wiki:

Prominent changes in the Treaty of Lisbon include reduced chances of stalemate in the EU Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union) through more qualified majority voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority), a more significant European Parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament) through extended codecision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codecision_procedure) with the EU Council, scrapping of the pillar system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pillars_of_the_European_Union), and the creation of a President of the European Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Council) and a High Representative for Foreign Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Representative_of_the_Union_for_Foreign_Affai rs_and_Security_Policy) for greater coherence and continuity in EU policies. (see more below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Treaty#Amendments)). If ratified, the Treaty of Lisbon will also make the Charter of Fundamental Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Unio n) (human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) provisions) legally binding.

tango
Jun 13th 2008, 12:35 PM
It looks like Ireland is going to reject the Lisbon treaty, the constitution-that-isn't-a-constitution:

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7452171.stm

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 12:37 PM
Ireland has voted No to the Lisbon Treaty, plunging the European Union into a new crisis.
With results coming in from across the country, a final result of 52 per cent against and 48 per cent in favour of the treaty was rapidly hardening. A final declaration is not expected until after 4 pm.
The Lisbon Treaty, the reworked successor to the formal constitutional pact dumped by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005, officially needs the approval of all 27 EU member states. But only in Ireland has it been put to a popular vote, meaning today's result may have far-reaching consequences for the entire bloc.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4128055.ece

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 12:53 PM
ISRAELI and Arab soldiers are being summoned to march through Paris this summer to celebrate the launch of a “Union for the Mediterranean” to settle regional woes.
France is inviting all the countries around the Mediterranean rim, including Libya, Syria and Israel, to a European Union summit in Paris on July 13 and they are expected to take part in a “Euro-Mediterranean Bastille Day” military parade with European troops the next day, according to Henri Guaino, one of the closest advisers to the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy.
The idea of a Mediterranean union has irritated the Germans, who have insisted that it be created in association with the EU. Guaino, the originator of the plan, believes that even a watered-down version would have an effect on terrorism and illegal immigration and would turn around a region ravaged by economic hardship and war.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3736045.ece

Current members of the Euromediterranean Partnership; Blue are EU members; Cyan are EU candidate countries; Green are partner countries; Yellow is observer country.

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 12:58 PM
Tony Blair made a strong case yesterday for why it might be possible for outside brokers — such as himself — to lessen the damage done by the Israeli-Palestinian deadlock, even if they cannot yet resolve it. Speaking to a House of Commons committee, with many references to Northern Ireland (and, he might have added, to his creation of new Labour) he clearly drew on his belief in his personal ability to bridge incompatible positions.

It's easy, after Iraq, to recoil from his self-belief: that with a direct gaze, leaning across a table, he can bring enemies together. He overstates the parallels with Northern Ireland.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bronwen_maddox/article4076038.ece

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 01:56 PM
London - UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Friday that action to curb the rising costs of food and fuel could be vital to global stability.
Following talks in London with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Ban said that rapidly rising commodity prices could cause political and security problems around the globe.
"Unless we properly manage this issue, this could trigger a cascade of other challenges and crises - affecting not just social and economic issues, but also political and security issues," Ban said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2340215,00.html

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 02:03 PM
Between 50 and 60% of teenagers develop some kind of eating disorder, according to a survey released today.

Teens who don't get better on their own usually have many other mental and physical problems, the study demonstrates.

In Western cultures, Hautala and her colleagues note, disordered eating is relatively common among adolescents. Eating disorder symptoms will last for one to two years in 50 percent to 60 percent of teens, while just one in 10 adolescents with eating disorder symptoms will develop an eating disorder that persists into adulthood.

http://www.health24.com/news/DietFood_News_Feed/1-3420,46801.asp

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 02:05 PM
BAGHDAD — Iraq (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html?inline=nyt-geo)’s negotiations with the United States on a security agreement governing America’s long-term involvement in the country are at an impasse because America’s demands infringe upon Iraq’s sovereignty, the country’s prime minister said Friday.

The comments were the first by the prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/nuri_kamal_al-maliki/index.html?inline=nyt-per), in which he explicitly detailed the main points of contention between the United States and the Iraqi government on the security agreement, which would authorize American forces and operations in Iraq after a United Nations (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/united_nations/index.html?inline=nyt-org) mandate expires at the end of the year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/world/middleeast/14iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Roelof
Jun 13th 2008, 02:20 PM
A large part of the Bible deals with Israel. In a very special sense they are the chosen people of God. He called them to be a holy people and led them to the Promised Land; He then dispersed them among the nations because of their disobedience; and it is the same immutable covenant God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who will restore Israel to the land of their fathers in the end-time.
In 1980, a Sabbatical Year, Jerusalem was declared the eternal, undivided capital of Israel, and Prime Minister Begin moved his office from Tel Aviv to Yerushalayim, the city of destiny.

The prophet Daniel describes the last 70 year-weeks (490 prophetic years of 360 days each) that will pass in the history of Israel before they enter the time of everlasting righteousness (Dan. 9:24-27). Of this period, 69 year-weeks (483 years) have passed between the decree by Artaxerxes in the year 445 BC that Jerusalem was to be rebuilt (Neh. 2:1‑8), and the death of Jesus on the cross in AD 32. Then the clock stopped ticking for Israel as a nation in the divine plan of God, and the time for the evangelisation of the non-Jewish world began. That meant that Israel would temporarily lose its position as a unique people and representative of God, and that all people, including the dispersed Israelites, would be given the opportunity to accept the Lord Jesus as Messiah and enter the kingdom of God by becoming members of the church (or body) of Christ.

At the start of the 70th year-week of seven years, Israel will enter into a covenant with the false messiah (Antichrist). Daniel 9:27 reads: “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week.” The false messiah will appear on the scene as a diplomat and peacemaker.

After the Messiah has made His appearance on the Mount of Olives and revealed Himself as the One crucified by Israel during His first coming two thousand years ago, a time of great mourning will follow. This mourning will lead to the salvation of the whole remnant of Israel.

To ensure God’s blessing upon us, we must bless Israel. God said to Abraham, the founding father of Israel, “I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed” (Gen. 12:3).

We must also pray for the peace of Jerusalem if we wish to prosper in our own country (Ps. 122:6).

For full article read:

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Rapconference/4%20Israelinprophecy.htm

White Spider
Jun 13th 2008, 06:55 PM
What do they consider an eating disorder?

StevenC
Jun 14th 2008, 05:00 AM
[A]ny agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state.

It's meaningless rhetoric. He's not saying there will or will not be an agreement and he is stating the obvious that Israel will remain a Jewish state... It sounds good and all but if you think about it, he's not saying anything we don't already know.

-Steven

quiet dove
Jun 14th 2008, 06:29 AM
I heard something on the news, but very short and quick. Something about Japan making it a law that the people can't be over weight? A mans waist size had to be 33" or less and a woman 35" or less. Anyone else hear anything about that?

brakelite
Jun 14th 2008, 06:38 AM
we are not in "the latter times, latter days," we are not in the end times, we are in the end of times, maybe 10 years left, Come Lord Jesus, Come

With all due respect, there is no reason that Jesus might not come back next year, or even sooner. The final events will be likely to be very rapid, thus the coming like a thief be an overwhelming surprise for most.

Roelof
Jun 14th 2008, 08:01 AM
With all due respect, there is no reason that Jesus might not come back next year, or even sooner. The final events will be likely to be very rapid, thus the coming like a thief be an overwhelming surprise for most.

brakelite

I am not into date setting, but I agree that the Rapture might be much closer thank we think.

Some very interesting signs to look at:

2007/2008 is a Sabbatical Year.
2008 - The first of three solar eclipses on the day that introduces the first of Av (partial eclipse on 1 August 2008). Av 9 is the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples.The days leading up to Tisha B'Av are known as The Nine Days. However, there will come a time when God will reverse the fast days and turn them into feast days, Zechariah said in Zech. 8:19
2009 - The second of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 22 July 2009
2010 - The third of three solar eclipses on Av 1: 11 July 2010

2014 / 2015 - The Sabbatical year 25 Sep. 2014 – 13 Sep. 2015 will have 2 solar eclipses and 4 total lunar eclipses. This will happen on Biblical or Jewish holidays.
The four total lunar eclipses will occur on: Passover, 15 April 2014; The Feast of Tabernacles, 8 October 2014; Passover, 4 April 2015 and The Feast of Tabernacles, 28 September 2015. It will not happen again in the 21st century. Two solar eclipses will occur on: Adar 29/Nisan 1, 20 March 2015; The Feast of Trumpets, 13 September 2015. Nisan 1 marks the beginning of the religious festival cycle. On Tishri 1, the Jews observe Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets. This year is 28 years after 1986 / 87.This day is highly prophetic, because it is said to be the anniversary of the Creation of Adam. It is Adam’s birthday.

2021/2022 will be again a Sabbaticla Year.

rhythmX
Jun 14th 2008, 08:26 AM
i heard that the government spend more money on weapons than
food....

*sigh* this panics me so much because people in my country, especially my love ones & families are starving, which is Philippines. They're having such a hard time to buy rice since it has limits now. Rice is one of the most essential food in my country. I'm not only concerned about the rice issues, i heard that meat prices are going up too. This makes me depressed and think so much..:cry: :cry: :cry:

Now, i have 2 jobs just to support them..and those money belongs to them, not mines..

Roelof
Jun 14th 2008, 11:18 AM
i heard that the government spend more money on weapons than
food....

Now, i have 2 jobs just to support them..and those money belongs to them, not mines..

We will pray for you and your country. :pray::pray::pray:

Roelof
Jun 14th 2008, 03:42 PM
Irish voters tore up the European Union’s blueprint for the future yesterday in a dramatic and decisive rejection of the Lisbon treaty.
The result leaves Brussels’ plans to streamline EU power – creating a president and foreign minister and reducing the influence for smaller countries such as Ireland – in tatters.

The 53.4 per cent “no” vote should in theory sign the death warrant of the treaty, which has been eight years in the making, since it requires ratification by all 27 members. Gordon Brown faced immediate calls to scrap British ratification.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article4134077.ece

Roelof
Jun 14th 2008, 03:49 PM
The increase could bring Saudi output to a production level of 10 million barrels a day, which, if sustained, would be the kingdom’s highest ever. The move was seen as a sign that the Saudis are becoming increasingly nervous about both the political and economic effect of high oil prices. In recent weeks, soaring fuel costs have incited demonstrations and protests from Italy to Indonesia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/business/14oil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

wombat
Jun 14th 2008, 11:47 PM
Irish voters tore up the European Union’s blueprint for the future yesterday in a dramatic and decisive rejection of the Lisbon treaty. The result leaves Brussels’ plans to streamline EU power – creating a president and foreign minister and reducing the influence for smaller countries such as Ireland – in tatters. The 53.4 per cent “no” vote should in theory sign the death warrant of the treaty, which has been eight years in the making, since it requires ratification by all 27 members. Gordon Brown faced immediate calls to scrap British ratification.
Hi, Roelof! I've been following this in the news for the past couple of days. The latest I've heard is that, in spite of the "no" vote by Ireland, the BBC is reporting that Britain will indeed go on with the ratification of the treaty, and Jose Manuel Barroso is urging the member states to continue with their plans to ratify it. He is saying that the treaty is "alive" and that the EU should work to find a solution to this. If the reports are true, it sounds to me as if they will be trying to push the treaty into existence, even though their own rules are that if one member state doesn't ratify, the treaty is to be scrapped.

Gillian
Jun 15th 2008, 12:44 AM
Yep
Good for Ireland. at least I live in Belfast that doesnt inculde euros.

ever they said no I think despite Labour goverment trying push this, it risker for Ireland and more so for those mainland then it is for UK IMO cos of Queen as head of UK would at least keep certin pressure do somewhat heighted other pressure for foolish labour goverment. I think it a pity Ireland had euros for money not their own, unforactly Tiger Boom I think is result of Europe good will a lot of it! so I wonder what if voters changed mind in aftermath of No a year or two, europe that push tiger boom in Ireland along euros with hidden agenda cut off any support would votors locally felt result from cut off support to tiger boom by europe would change mind later on? their goverment then,Berie should not accept euros along support that cause tiger boom, not matter how good it is given it hidden agenda in first place - long chain end up super state! euros one of these little things part of many creepy things in shape of European Union.

ever here and uk lived all my life. I noticed the smybol sigh for £ u see maybe 10/ less then 15 years ago for sure! I notice escpailly past 5 years very hard to miss! the creepy look like £ as in not one slash u see across pound symbol but two slash across the suppose Pound symbol. I note that in newer notes of 5, 10 pounds. everywhere shops is taking that up. sometime I need to take double look to make sure it is pound not euro price! on shops tags.where it IS pound smybol price but now with slight more curve c and two slash. It must be quite a graudal thing. I noticed it with supraise reciving new note out of AIM. once or twice, maybe when I want to order something online in uk prices, one or two websites online i wa s sure is in pounds but I just so unsure so I didnt brother cos of uncandy look
IMIO queen at head of UK stall it at least longer then others, despite Labour goverment. strangely ever Labour goverment at treaty years ago I dont know why Brown arrive late prupose as not to sign in offical place, something like that year ago or two Brown cleary unhappy, but still labour all think somehow like the rest of europe or some if any, unhappy of certin things small etc but ever so mostly they happy to go ahead with belief it changable by their influances, they undermine themselves to think this can go ahead and they still have a say so- shortsight.

wombat
Jun 15th 2008, 04:43 AM
Good for Ireland. at least I live in Belfast that doesnt inculde euros.
Hello, Gillian! May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.

Also, there was someone in another post who mentioned a story about St. Patrick, but I can't remember who the person is that posted it. The story was that St. Patrick asked the Lord to spare Ireland from the Tribulation period and the Lord said He would grant the request. Have you heard about this story? A person we know from Ireland said he had heard it, but he added that there was another part to it, that God also told St. Patrick that before the 7-year Tribulation period had begun Ireland would be drowned. Any chance you have some insight to share about this?

Roelof
Jun 15th 2008, 04:52 AM
Hi, Roelof! I've been following this in the news for the past couple of days.

as if they will be trying to push the treaty into existence, even though their own rules are that if one member state doesn't ratify, the treaty is to be scrapped.

wombat

Please keep us updated, I only have access to internet articles.

tango
Jun 15th 2008, 01:21 PM
Hello, Gillian! May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.



There are a few UK-based news web sites you can keep an eye on which might be of interest. The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk) is perhaps the best known internationally although is widely regarded to have a left-wing bias. For our newspaper sites you can look for the Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Independant etc. The Telegraph has at least a moderate right-wing bias, I forget which way the Times leans and I believe the Independant is supposed to be as close to bias-free as a newspaper can be (I don't read newspapers any more myself, I find them too depressing)

tango
Jun 15th 2008, 01:44 PM
There's a brief section in this page on the BBC web site about how the British newspapers have reacted to Ireland's No vote.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7455244.stm

The page also includes links to a number of UK papers. Anyone following links from the BBC's site should be aware that some parts of the News Of The World site may contain partial nudity (the BBC posts a disclaimer that they are not responsible for the content of external sites)

Gillian
Jun 15th 2008, 04:33 PM
Hello, Gillian! May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.

Also, there was someone in another post who mentioned a story about St. Patrick, but I can't remember who the person is that posted it. The story was that St. Patrick asked the Lord to spare Ireland from the Tribulation period and the Lord said He would grant the request. Have you heard about this story? A person we know from Ireland said he had heard it, but he added that there was another part to it, that God also told St. Patrick that before the 7-year Tribulation period had begun Ireland would be drowned. Any chance you have some insight to share about this?


I will do. wish me luck. Bush coming to Stormont Castle tomorrew. Im going up there hoping to take pic of Bush. No idea what time but derminted to be there late morning all day if nesscaury!! I really hoped the gaurdmen are bit relax about it, the feeling is not likey but who knows!;)

I havent heard much about story of St Patrick but what I do know is there a lot of superstatious add to Legend of St Patrick. maybe that true who knows. wombat, concerning God warth poured out,I always view that as on some part of mainland, most warth Bible explained are at middle/ east s european/part of Arabs lands. but of course the fall out will had it effect on whole world inculde USA but I dont think all counties are direactly in path of God warth but bible covered counties, 10 kings etc. but how much would Ireland recive the effect of fall out if not direact in path of God. bit like they said if usa sneeze direactly, indirectly all catch a cold.

intresting thing about it. strike me a bit strange Sinn Fein i alway assumes support european they the only party with their seat in Ireland chamiaged No the rest parties in ireland all of them chamipge Yes. so Siinn Fein got something in common with Tory and DUP and i would say most born again christians.
I got friends as well deafs here whose friends in ireland, german, read newpappers on others counties, seem it true that prices are muchmore costly for them in euros locally. Pounds already very dear itself we used to long before. so for uk people if euros bought in the effect of euros wont be big as other eurpoean ireland own money that was much cheaper then pounds. UK second high to Japan in value of own money, not sure euros either slighty higher or slight below to value of pounds.
I think there differance indireact fall out on counties then those in bible but dont know how much differnace that would be since i think all counties inevidently inTIME of Tribulation will have naturel fear and worries panic etc but some are spared from tribulation. I dont think Ireland would be part of that time.

Europe Union i think got high numbers of counties join in. Bible mentioned ten kings. Im not sure if that alway the numbers it mentioned but Bible mention there be war inside the "seventh kingdom" waged by ati christ who the eight. obviously some "kings" refuse ati christ so war broke out inside the Kingdom or Europe Union.
Im not sure if that war inside kingdom broke out before or after people hail anti christ. I think it after ahti christ waged war in Union and won,then people hailed him athi christ, who went on to destory Bablyon. Bablyon who already a whore to God. Babylon are not in poiltic sense but in only reglious sense who already dominte the Union. Bablyon are destoryed by the very Union already won by ati christ, some who sided with ati christ. Bablyon with her false reglion that first give raise to wicked inside Union that end up bought in ati christ then he destoryed her with his agenda to be the only god to whole world.

the only reglion I can think that do had it dominte as head of chruch is Pope style. that what Bablyon be like, is that kind of dominte religious sense. it more likey then not. the signs today polticilly European Union and religious Pope Chruch. both systems are powerful in both senses of (trying) to world domination.

Gillian

Gillian
Jun 15th 2008, 05:40 PM
[quote=wombat;1673037]Hello, Gillian! May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.



I can tell you something else. Jack Straw I remember very early in Tony Blair `s power, rubbish those who said No, as cant remember eaxlt words parphrase live on tv, intreviews, rubbish them as scaremongers and no such thing as superstate, ...or would not rivil USA etc.

few years later late In blair power, Jack Straw live on tv, admit yes it look like there will be superstate if not in his lifetime.

I was amazed not at that adimts but his hosnestly because i remember he belive it not, himself year eariler. but clearly something in politiacly change his mind. but of course as tycipal of Labour he go on to say but all the more reason to join is , that is so influeace the poliy. I think it same with Gordan Brown he unahappy but still think he can influace them.

I suspect most Labour private or not, when once years ago dont belive it as superstate possible but accept now it very well possible, but problem is many who voted yes seem to think they able to counter the policy within. Im impressed bit supraised too front headline pages reactully many goverment now as well pro europe votors who propley some time before relaised teh truth but they go to said yes propley a superstate etc but still think can influnce them. couple of pro europe on uk aol message was pro europea and Ireland aftermath some said they not anymore. I think this current aftermath is just really trust in face(press) to those who slowly but already acknowldged possible of superstate some time view before, caused some to think after Danes and french outcomes ingored Ireland that said no but Beritie put that vote to them again same thing then they said yes! it like,

in genral pro europe view are

2000 and years before, famous nor famous alike rubbish as no such thing as superstate at this point

2000/03 it roughly with aftermath of Danes French Ireland
(Ireland in Bertie power said No but Bertie ingored it push same thing ireland vote yes hence euros I think, any case during Berie`s euros introced to Ireland)........... famous and nor famous alike, privately and sometime open adimt yes there propley superstate, they pro europe go on to say with "but, can influnce" Openly adimt genrally possible of superstate at this point.

2008. Yep very likey superstate pro europe say with stronger belief but still go along with "But"

2008. pro europe for some now, after slowly beliving more likey and likey superstate at this point now(pro polticans help by adimted it within few years before graudlly with ingored Danes Ireland French.)
some now had changed mind at this point as athi europe, there are others that still go with "yes but"

That my impression from tv and press of pro europe I remember in just before 2000 to now partilcur years in outcomes of danes french ireland to today. slowly waking up.

I personally think ever it caused pro europe in noticeable numbers to if not ati europe as least, by large it a No. but no cheer Brussels will ingores it judging on evdenices

Gillian

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 03:30 AM
Hello, Gillian

May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.
Gillian[/quote]

Gillian

Thanks for the info, please keep us updated as the EU will play a major role in the Last Days.

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 06:39 AM
Baghdad - The US military says Iraqi soldiers have found a weapons cache including 90 rockets, Iranian mortar shells and an American unmanned drone in a feed warehouse in Baghdad. Military spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Steve Stover says the items seized are signature weapons of Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia factions who have been blamed for past attacks against the Green Zone and other targets.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2341067,00.html

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 06:58 AM
Geneva - At least 500 000 Zimbabwean children are no longer getting the treatment and food they urgently need since the government suspended the work of humanitarian aid organisations, says United Nations Children's Fund (Unicef).
"Hundreds of thousand of children among the most vulnerable in Zimbabwe are today denied access to the aid they desperately need," said Unicef spokesperson Veronique Taveau. Zimbabwe's government provoked international outrage earlier this month by suspending all aid work after accusing NGOs of siding with the opposition.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2340276,00.html

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 07:08 AM
The Irish Prime Minister was facing huge pressure from EU leaders yesterday to keep the Lisbon treaty alive but seemed at a loss to explain how it could be saved after Ireland’s “no” vote.
Brian Cowen is being urged to present a plan for reviving the treaty at the EU summit in Brussels this week, but he knows that if a second referendum were to result in failure it would bring down not only the treaty but his Government as well.

Signs are emerging that some EU countries would consider forging ahead in a “two-speed Europe”, leaving Ireland and others behind.

Two of the most vocal supporters for pushing ahead with the treaty were Jean-Claude Juncker, the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, and Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German Foreign Minister. Both had been under consideration for the two big posts created by the treaty: those of EU president and EU foreign minister.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article4144598.ece

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 07:19 AM
The discovery of designs for a compact nuclear bomb has raised fears that Iran and North Korea might have obtained blueprints enabling them to mount long-range strikes with nuclear-armed missiles.
Designs for a nuclear device small enough to fit on a ballistic missile were found on computers linked to the international smuggling ring that supplied nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea, a top US expert says.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4144317.ece

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 07:23 AM
The prospect of a “two-speed Europe” is being discussed in European capitals as an answer to the deep crisis that would face the EU if the Irish Government were to rule out a rerun of its referendum. Under the plan, a group of countries that ratified the Lisbon treaty would find a legal way of forging ahead in a “core EU”, while Ireland — and anyone else not willing to join the advance party — would be frozen out. Serious consideration to this idea is under way in Germany, France and Luxembourg, but Britain and others are firmly opposed.
In reality, the EU already moves at different speeds, a process set to become more common as the number of member states continues to grow.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article4144599.ece

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 03:43 PM
The Israeli and Syrian leadership could meet face-to-face next month for the first time in their history, Israeli officials said today.
Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Bashar Assad, the Syrian President, are scheduled to attend a July 13 summit of European and Mediterranean countries in Paris.

“The possibility of bringing the two leaders together while they cross paths in Paris was raised by the Israelis. It is currently a tentative offer… it depends on what happens between now and Paris,” said one Israeli official involved in the current indirect talks between Syrian and Israeli envoys in Ankara, Turkey.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4149357.ece

Roelof
Jun 16th 2008, 03:45 PM
European governments will agree today to freeze the assets of Iran's biggest bank as part of a tightening of sanctions over Tehran's nuclear programme, Gordon Brown announced this morning.
Speaking at a joint London press conference with President Bush, the Prime Minister also confirmed that Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, is to an increase in the UK troop contingent in Afghanistan to record levels.
Referring to ministerial talks in Luxembourg, Mr Brown said: “Today Britain will urge Europe, and Europe will agree to take further sanctions against Iran.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4148224.ece

Roelof
Jun 17th 2008, 05:20 AM
Nairobi - To counter the global food crisis, Africa could triple or quadruple domestic production over two seasons through simple changes to agricultural practices, a United Nations food expert said on Monday.
In response to rising food prices, the continent must drop its reliance on food imports and learn to feed itself, said Mafa Chipeta, sub-regional co-ordinator for the UN Food and Agricultural Organisation (FAO) in east Africa.
"Within two seasons we can change (dependence on imports)," he told Reuters on the sidelines of the launch of a regional FAO conference in Nairobi, Kenya. "We can boost production by three or four times by making simple changes."

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_2341586,00.html

Roelof
Jun 17th 2008, 12:48 PM
Johannesburg - Top retailers from around the world will from Wednesday meet at the 52nd World Food Business Summit to discuss rising food prices and food security, it was announced on Tuesday.

The summit, with the theme Growth and Sustainability - Building Profit with Responsibility - is hosted by CIES, the Food Business Forum in Munich, Germany until June 20.
Delegates will be discussing issues including food security; food safety; rocketing commodity prices, fuel prices and other input costs; threats to energy supplies; and environmentally sustainable development. Other topics on the agenda are the impact of biofuels on food production; changing eating patterns; global warming and its effect on food production; and changing consumer habits and demands.

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1786_2341965

Roelof
Jun 17th 2008, 03:26 PM
A truce between Israel and the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip is set to come into effect on Thursday, according to Egyptian officials who have mediated between the two sides for months.

Neither Hamas nor Israeli officials would publicly confirm the accord, although both said that they would respect a cessation of violence from the other side.

“Israel took a decision last week to support the Egyptian track. Actions are needed more than words. If there is an end to the terrorist attacks from Gaza onto Israel, if there is an end to the Hamas arms build-up in the Gaza Strip, and if there is movement on the hostage Gilad Schalit - that will indeed be a new reality,” said Mark Regev, the Israeli government spokesman.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4158143.ece

HisLeast
Jun 17th 2008, 03:59 PM
I heard a story on the news on how hard things are getting in Afghanistan. I'm not sure precisely who was speaking but they were lambasting the US for not sending more food aid. Made me want to pull out my hair... why does nobody lambaste the Afghans for allowing Opium farmers to take over all the arable land?! (Opium production went up 162% in the past few years).

quiet dove
Jun 17th 2008, 05:48 PM
I know there is discussion of many countries here, I was wondering if any has heard anything or has any thoughts on how the flooding in Iowa and other areas might effect food in the US. I don't know how much farmland and all has been flooded and what the repercussions of this flooding may be, which is of course why I am asking all my brainier brethren/ sisters here. :kiss:

brakelite
Jun 17th 2008, 07:49 PM
QD, I was just reading about those floods last night. Seems there will be a huge impact on corn and soy bean production, much of which is exported thus affecting more than just the local economy.

White Spider
Jun 17th 2008, 08:49 PM
Yeah, just want to say brakelite is right about the effects of the flooding, that's what I heard also.

I also heard some farms with livestock were hit, don't know how much of an effect that'll have.

And as the flood levels flow southward it may hit more farming areas. Forget the name of it but a rural area near a lake right next to the Mississipi was being flooded last I checked, don't know if they were able to fix that or not, anyone know what I'm talking about?

wombat
Jun 18th 2008, 02:23 PM
Hello, everyone! Here is some news I learned about this morning. There is a great protest going on in the Negev region, in which the people of the area are speaking of breaking off from Israel and creating their own state because the government is not doing enough to prevent attacks from the Palestinians. Here's the link.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3557170,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3557170,00.html)

Roelof
Jun 18th 2008, 02:40 PM
wombat

Thanks, very interesting news.

Roelof
Jun 18th 2008, 03:41 PM
The US military has accused Iranian-backed Shia groups of setting off a huge car bomb that killed more than 60 people in a mainly Shia area of Baghdad, hinting at yet another new twist in the complex web of violence gripping the Iraqi capital.

"We believe the attack was not conducted by AQI [Al-Qaeda in Iraq]," Lieutenant-Colonel Steven Stover, a US army spokesman, said. "Though vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices are a trademark of AQI, our intelligence, corroborated through multiple sources, is this atrocity was committed by a Special Groups cell led by Haydar Mehdi Khadum al-Fawadi."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4163675.ece

wombat
Jun 19th 2008, 02:15 PM
Hello, everyone! I just read this morning that Britain has ratified the Lisbon Treaty. Thought I'd pass that along, as it proves other nations are proceeding with ratification even though Ireland voted against it.

Roelof
Jun 19th 2008, 07:28 PM
Hello, everyone! I just read this morning that Britain has ratified the Lisbon Treaty. Thought I'd pass that along, as it proves other nations are proceeding with ratification even though Ireland voted against it.

wombat

The End Times for the EU is still on track (I assume so)

Roelof
Jun 22nd 2008, 03:23 PM
WASHINGTON -- A large Israeli military exercise this month may have been aimed at showing Jerusalem's abilities to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

In a substantial show of force, Israel sent warplanes and other aircraft on a major exercise in the Eastern Mediterranean early this month, Pentagon officials said Friday.

Israel's military refused to confirm or deny that the maneuvers were practice for a strike in Iran.

Russia's foreign minister Friday warned against the use of force on Iran, saying there is no proof it is trying to build nuclear weapons with a program that Tehran says is for generating power.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Israeli_Warplanes_iran/2008/06/20/106248.html?s=al&promo_code=64B3-1

Roelof
Jun 23rd 2008, 07:24 AM
40% of the world population of 6.5 billion live on less than US$2 per day

More than 25 000 children world-wide die daily becuase of not enough food or medicine

More than 200 million Christians world-wide are very poor.

(p99 of Finesse magazine, July 2008)

sunsetssplendor
Jun 23rd 2008, 06:03 PM
I received an email from my cousin who recently returned
from Belize where a tropical storm destroyed some crops.
Eggs are 12.00 dozen. Rice was 24.00 for a bag. Not sure
how many pounds. The people of Belize are very poor. This
is happening all around us. I fear for us. People are starving
to death and the government doesn't care. What can be done?

Roelof
Jun 23rd 2008, 06:06 PM
I received an email from my cousin who recently returned
from Belize where a tropical storm destroyed some crops.


In what country are you living?

sunsetssplendor
Jun 23rd 2008, 06:13 PM
In what country are you living?

I'm here in America, California to be exact but I have family
in Central America.

I have started to buy some grocery items from the .99 store
because of cost. It's cheaper for me to get spaghetti sauce,
salad dressing, some fruit, tea, juice etc from there b/c of the
high food cost.

wombat
Jun 23rd 2008, 08:54 PM
I fear for us. People are starving
to death and the government doesn't care. What can be done?
Hello, Sunsetssplendor! This is a very hard time for people around the world, and I believe very strongly that the food crisis is going to get worse and worse, based on what Scripture tells us will happen during the tribulation period. What I would urge every believer to do, no matter whether you have much in the way of financial resources or very little, is to pray every day--make prayer time a vital part of your life. And when you pray, tell the Lord about your fears--pour it all out to Him. Ask for His peace, ask for courage to face what is coming on the world, ask for strength to live for Him even in the face of dangers, ask for His provision for the things that you need and that your family members and friends need, ask Him for safety of your brothers and sisters in Christ all around the world, and ask Him for knowledge and wisdom to understand where He would lead you and what He would have you do.

You know, I believe that God loves it when we talk to Him, and there have been many times in my life where I'll just ask God a question that's been on my mind and say, "Lord, would you show me the answer to this?" and one way or another He has always come through with an answer. Perhaps when we ask His provision for our needs--whether it be an answer to a question, a physical need such as food or clothing or shelter, or peace when we are afraid or any other thing--He especially responds to us because we have reached out to Him like children reaching out to their Father.

May God bless you and your family, Sunsetssplendor--I will pray for you.

Roelof
Jun 24th 2008, 05:13 AM
I believe very strongly that the food crisis is going to get worse and worse, based on what Scripture tells us will happen during the tribulation period. What I would urge every believer to do, no matter whether you have much in the way of financial resources or very little, is to pray every day--make prayer time a vital part of your life.


AMEN !!!

I fully agree with you.

Roelof
Jun 24th 2008, 05:44 AM
The European Central Bank's dilemma over interest rates deepened yesterday as new figures pointed to a “toxic cocktail” of stagnant growth and spiralling inflation.

Jean-Claude Trichet, the President of the ECB, hinted this month that borrowing costs would rise to control inflation, which has soared to a record 3.7 per cent.

However, there was growing speculation that the ECB may keep rates at 4 per cent at its next rate meeting on July 3 after European manufacturing and service companies reported declining activity for the first time in five years and corporate sentiment in Germany plunged.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article4200735.ece

Roelof
Jun 24th 2008, 06:25 PM
Bethlehem - French President Nicolas Sarkozy says Jerusalem ought to be shared by Israelis and Palestinians.
Speaking on Tuesday in the West Bank town of Bethlehem, he said Jerusalem had a history or plurality. "It's a holy city for three faiths, Jews, Christians and Muslims," he said. "Can Jerusalem be for one side and not the other? I don't think so."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2346103,00.html

wombat
Jun 24th 2008, 08:31 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is another link to an article about Sarkozy and his recent visit to Israel. This article is regarding his offer to broker a peace deal for Israel.


http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/l23210462-france-israel/ (http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/l23210462-france-israel/)

Roelof
Jun 25th 2008, 05:54 AM
Hi, everyone! Here is another link to an article about Sarkozy and his recent visit to Israel. This article is regarding his offer to broker a peace deal for Israel.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/l23210462-france-israel/ (http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/l23210462-france-israel/)

wombat

Thanks for the link:

Sarkozy said peace with the Palestinians was possible if Israel stopped all settlement activity, lifted the checkpoints that criss-cross the West Bank (http://www.newsdaily.com/news/world/west_bank/), ended a blockade of Gaza (http://www.newsdaily.com/news/world/gaza_strip/) and accepted Jerusalem as capital of two states.

Roelof
Jun 25th 2008, 12:41 PM
According to the Bible, the enemies of Israel will gain the support of Russia in their endeavour to annihilate Israel. Staggering events will follow in the wake of this war.

Great prophetic significance is attached to the prophesied Russian-Arab invasion of Israel. It will most probably be the event that will lead to the tribulation period of seven years since it will afford Antichrist the opportunity to reveal himself as a bogus ‘Prince of Peace’. He will avert a threatening world war and, in a remarkable way, take control of world events through peace treaties and the establishment of global governance structures.

Without doubt that the Gog the prophet refers to, is indeed modern‑day Russia.

This prophecy clearly indicates that Germany will co-operate with the Russian and Arab forces to solve the Middle East crisis 'once and for all'. That will endear them to the Arab nations, who are fanatically opposed to Israel. Could economic considerations, in particular free access to the oil production of the Middle East, be the motivation for an action of this nature by Germany?.

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Russianinvasion.htm

Roelof
Jun 27th 2008, 04:39 AM
Is oil becoming black gold?

New York - Oil prices are soaring further into record territory, breaking past $140 a barrel after the president of the Organisation of Petroleum Export Countries (Opec) said prices could rise well above $150.

Reports that Libya is considering cutting oil production are also sending prices higher.
Light, sweet crude for August delivery has traded as high as $140.05 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are also up on a growing sense that the US central bank may not raise interest rates until late this year. Many analysts believe the Fed's rate cuts over the past year, which have weakened the dollar, have helped send oil prices skyrocketing.

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1793_2347895

Roelof
Jun 28th 2008, 07:04 AM
Video on Bush and the NAU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

Roelof
Jun 28th 2008, 07:10 AM
Obama Supports North American Union Agenda
Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-obama_20edi.ART.State.Edition1.464da8e.html)

February 21, 2008

Under George W. Bush, the United States has not lived up to its historic role as a leader in the Western Hemisphere. As president, I will restore that leadership by working to advance the common prosperity and security of all of the people of the Americas. That work must begin with a renewed strategic partnership with Mexico.

http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/23/obama-supports-north-american-union-agenda/

Roelof
Jun 28th 2008, 07:15 AM
See the following websites for the new lisence logo:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

Roelof
Jun 28th 2008, 07:17 AM
It is very interesting that the U.S. has opened the door for a revival of the ancient Persian empire.:B

Eyrim

Please give more info and links.

Bronagh
Jun 28th 2008, 12:36 PM
Also, there was someone in another post who mentioned a story about St. Patrick, but I can't remember who the person is that posted it. The story was that St. Patrick asked the Lord to spare Ireland from the Tribulation period and the Lord said He would grant the request. Have you heard about this story? A person we know from Ireland said he had heard it, but he added that there was another part to it, that God also told St. Patrick that before the 7-year Tribulation period had begun Ireland would be drowned. Any chance you have some insight to share about this?

Wombat, I'm from Ireland as well so this story is very interesting to me, do you know any more about it?

Saved7
Jun 28th 2008, 07:53 PM
Funny, typically this sort of thing is being presented by a christian, but you can tell that this person is some sort of athiest or something. Listen to what he says at the end, talking about how anybody who insists on being different, whether religious, or race, or whatever, you are causing division, and the govt has used religion to divide, in or to conquer and control.
Unbelievable, blaming God for the movements of our govts.:rolleyes:

But other than that, it's informative, and I wonder too, if he is a part of it all, just trying to put out the opposite attitude, in order to draw people into thinking and believing the same...be of one mind and we will all get along, therefore, let's all be a one world govt.

I think it's called misinformation; in order to get people to think how they want them to think, they have to put all kinds of different information out there, some appealing to those who disagree, in some way, and other information to appeal to those who agree.

Saved7
Jun 28th 2008, 07:55 PM
In response to an earlier comment you made, showing our debt and how we can't keep up with the spending....I wonder if maybe it's deliberate, in order to send us into a total tail spin, and helping to open that door to a one world govt.


I coul not found anything about the USA in Biblical prohesy, is there anything?

What will happen to their world domination if the USA goes into a full-blown recession?


The goal is to bring us to our knee's so we will be open to this union and new money, cause hey...that new money will be worth more than the dollar.:rolleyes:

wombat
Jun 28th 2008, 10:00 PM
Wombat, I'm from Ireland as well so this story is very interesting to me, do you know any more about it?
Hi, Bronagh! I haven't learned any more about this yet, but it is very interesting to me too. I'll try to do some research on the subject, and if I find anything I will post it. By the way, I have heard that Ireland will be holding a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, possibly next year. Is the report true, and would you be willing to provide us with your personal insights or any updates as you see them happening? Thanks, Bronagh!

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 03:27 AM
This is a forum to discuss the role of the AU in the Last Days

The African Union (abbreviated AU in English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), and UA in its other working languages) is an intergovernmental organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organization) consisting of 53 African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation). Established on July 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_9), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002), the AU was formed as a successor to the amalgamated African Economic Community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Economic_Community) (AEC) and the Organization of African Unity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_African_Unity) (OAU). Its headquarters is in Addis Ababa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa), Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia).The African Union (abbreviated AU in English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), and UA in its other working languages) is an intergovernmental organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organization) consisting of 53 African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation). Established on July 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_9), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002), the AU was formed as a successor to the amalgamated African Economic Community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Economic_Community) (AEC) and the Organization of African Unity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_African_Unity) (OAU). Its headquarters is in Addis Ababa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa), Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia). (wiki)

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 03:53 AM
The combined states of the African Union constitute the world's 17th largest economy with a nominal GDP of US $500 billion, ranking after the Netherlands. At the same time, they have a combined total debt of US $200 billion.

The AU has only 2% of the world's international trade. Because over 90% of international trade consists of currency futures. Africa's 2%, however, actually makes up the bulk of real commodity traded worldwide, including about 70% of the world's strategic minerals, including gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold) and aluminum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium). Africa is also a large market for American and European industry.
The AU future confederation's goals include the creation of a free trade area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_area), a customs union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs_union), a single market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_market), a central bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_bank), and a common currency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_union), thereby establishing economic and monetary union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_and_monetary_union).

The current plan is to establish an African Economic Community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Economic_Community) with a single currency by 2023 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023). (wiki)

wombat
Jun 29th 2008, 03:58 AM
This is a forum to discuss the role of the AU in the Last Days The African Union (abbreviated AU in English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), and UA in its other working languages) is an intergovernmental organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organization) consisting of 53 African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation). Established on July 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_9), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002), the AU was formed as a successor to the amalgamated African Economic Community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Economic_Community) (AEC) and the Organization of African Unity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_African_Unity) (OAU). Its headquarters is in Addis Ababa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa), Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia).
Hi, Roelof! Since you are located in South Africa, may we ask you to give us your perspective on the African Union--for instance what kinds of power it has, how all the united countries get along with each other and what kind of rules are involved, what the pros and cons are of having this union, etc. Thanks, Roelof!

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 04:03 AM
The goal is to bring us to our knee's so we will be open to this union and new money, cause hey...that new money will be worth more than the dollar.:rolleyes:

I know the Euro is much stronger than the US $ now.

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 04:14 AM
.... may we ask you to give us your perspective on the African Union--for instance what kinds of power it has, how all the united countries get along with each other and what kind of rules are involved, what the pros and cons are of having this union, etc.

wombat

I will try my best.

At the moment I am not very proud of my president Mbeki.
Mugabe is raping democratic principles, and Mbeki, the most powerful leader in the AU, is allowing it (it even looks like support for me)

Please read the last posts in Prayer for Zimbabwe
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=121025

We in SA are very afraid that we might become a 2nd Zim, then it is only downhill for us.

quiet dove
Jun 29th 2008, 04:49 AM
You have my prayers. I know the situation is not good. :hug:

wombat
Jun 29th 2008, 05:12 AM
Please read the last posts in Prayer for Zimbabwe
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=121025
We in SA are very afraid that we might become a 2nd Zim, then it is only downhill for us.
Roelof, my friend, I have just read through the entire thread that you provided the link to, and I am quite literally at a loss for words. You can be assured that I will pray for Zimbabwe, as well as South Africa, and most intensely for your safety and that of your family and friends should any danger be heading your way. As I read through your posts, seeing how each news article progressed the story, I could hardly believe what I was reading. Please, Jesus, come for us now!:pray:

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 05:17 AM
Roelof, my friend, ... You can be assured that I will pray for Zimbabwe, as well as South Africa, ... I could hardly believe what I was reading. Please, Jesus, come for us now!:pray:

wombat

Thanks for your prayers, we need them

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 06:44 AM
When Nelson Mandela broke his silence last week, speaking of a “tragic failure of leadership” in Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe shrugged it off, saying the former South African president was merely “bowing to western pressure”.
But Mandela’s successor, President Thabo Mbeki, said nothing. For Mbeki has been Mugabe’s chief supporter – and now finds himself under increasing pressure.

Thereafter, the G8 and EU have insisted that they cannot accept Mugabe’s government as legitimate. The opposition won the parliamentary elections in March but Mugabe simply refuses to summon parliament, retaining a cabinet many of whom lost their seats.

Only 23 of the 53 states in the African Union have democratic governments.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4232127.ece

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 06:49 AM
Robert Mugabe has made a career out of calling Africa’s bluff. On Monday, he is likely to do it again.
Mr Mugabe has said that he will turn up at the annual summit of the African Union (AU) in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh. Freshly “re-elected”, and probably by then hastily sworn in for another five-year term, he will challenge the 53-member body to prevent him from taking his rightful place.

Several states have broken their silence and attacked Zimbabwe’s leader for his brutal assault on democracy. For the first time almost the entire continent has come to believe that he cannot be allowed to stay in office.

But the AU has a big problem: very few of its members can claim the moral high ground when it comes to democracy and respect for human rights. With a few exceptions, Africa’s much proclaimed renaissance has come to a shuddering halt. In fact, many commentators would say that the AU’s march towards democracy has gone in the wrong direction.

The rest of the Horn of Africa is a no-go area for democracy with Sudan condemned as one of the world’s worst abusers of human rights. Eritrea, once lauded for its enlightened rule, has slowly descended into a nasty dictatorship with hundreds of government critics held without trial. North Africa is also in bad shape, including Egypt.

The AU changed its name from its forerunner, the Organisation of African Unity (OAU), in July 2002 and supposedly adopted a tougher mandate on “human rights, good governance and democracy”. It is based in the OAU’s old headquarters in Addis Ababa and, like the OAU, it is broke. “Very few members have paid their dues. This has handicapped it from the start: there is a lot of truth in the joke that the AU is the OAU without the organisation,” a Western diplomat, who has had close dealings with it, said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4228314.ece

Roelof
Jun 29th 2008, 06:56 AM
Iran has moved ballistic missiles into launch positions, with Israel’s Dimona nuclear plant among the possible targets, defence sources said last week.
The movement of Shahab-3B missiles, which have an estimated range of more than 1,250 miles, followed a large-scale exercise earlier this month in which the Israeli air force flew en masse over the Mediterranean in an apparent rehearsal for a threatened attack on Iran’s nuclear installations. Israel believes Iran’s nuclear programme is aimed at acquiring nuclear weapons.
The sources said Iran was preparing to retaliate for any onslaught by firing missiles at Dimona, where Israel’s own nuclear weapons are believed to be made.
Major-General Mohammad Jafari, the commander of the Revolutionary Guard, told a Tehran daily: “This country [Israel] is completely within the range of the Islamic Republic’s missiles. Our missile power and capability are such that the Zionist regime – despite all its abilities – cannot confront it.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4232021.ece

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 06:45 AM
I have made it my passion and ministry to integrate some of the excellent posts on the forums concerning the Last Days. We have discussed the signs in heavens and their dates in the Controversial Section. I want as much as possible members to participate in this discussion.

You are NOT allowed in this thread to discuss any dates concerning the Rapture, Tribulation, Antichrist and Second Coming of Christ.

I want this thread to remain in the ETC section please.

After this thread I will integrate all info on the forums concerning Last Days into thread #3.

….. All is under the permissive direction of God, as with Job and Satan long ago.Rev 13:5. (KJV Bible Commentary)

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 06:49 AM
But of that [year], day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Mat 24:36, KJV)

ESCHATOLOGY (LAST DAYS) — the study of what will happen when all things are consummated at the end of history, particularly centering on the event known as the Second Coming of Christ. The word comes from two Greek words, eschatos (last) and logos (study) — thus its definition as "the study of last things." (Nelson Illustrated Bible Dictionary)

Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner. (Neh 8:18)

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Isa 2:2)

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Act 2:17)

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Mat 24:3-14)

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (Mat 24:7)

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. (Mat 24:9)

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (Mat 24:11)
{New Age, Universalism, One World Religion, etc.}

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (Mat 24:12)

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mat 24:14)

Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (Luk 21:26)

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. (2Ti 3:1)

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (2Pe 3:3)


Psalm 11:4 (New Living Translation)

But the Lord is in his holy Temple;
the Lord still rules from heaven.
He watches everyone closely,
examining every person on earth.

jeffweeder
Jun 30th 2008, 08:01 AM
Hi
not quite sure what you want, but something to add to the last day theme.

Jesus also raises us the last day
In the last day the word that he has already spoken will judge those who have rejected him.
God has fixed this particular day, when his Son will appear again and judge everyman according to his deeds.


He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.


This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."


I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:


But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation



MATT 25
"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
..............
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

That means the second coming of Christ is a post millenium event.

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 10:41 AM
jeffweeder

Thanks, I will use some of your ideas.

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 11:20 AM
I have made it my passion and ministry to integrate some of the excellent posts on the forums concerning the Last Days in the MU. We have discussed the signs in heavens and their dates in the Controversial Section. I want as much as possible members to participate in this discussion.
You are NOT allowed in this thread to discuss any dates concerning the Rapture, Tribulation, Antichrist and Second Coming of Christ.

I want this thread to remain in the ETC section please.

After this thread I will integrate all info on the forums concerning Last Days into thread #2.

Current members of the Euro-mediterranean Partnership; Blue are EU members; Cyan are EU candidate countries; Green are partner countries; Yellow is observer country.

….. All is under the permissive direction of God, as with Job and Satan long ago.Rev 13:5. (KJV Bible Commentary)

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 11:32 AM
But of that [year], day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Mat 24:36, KJV)

ESCHATOLOGY (LAST DAYS) — the study of what will happen when all things are consummated at the end of history, particularly centering on the event known as the Second Coming of Christ. The word comes from two Greek words, eschatos (last) and logos (study) — thus its definition as "the study of last things." (Nelson Illustrated Bible Dictionary)

The Mediterranean Union, is a proposed community of European Union member states and countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea, planned to be established in July 2008.

Current members of the Euro-mediterranean Partnership; Blue are EU members; Cyan are EU candidate countries; Green are partner countries; Yellow is observer country.

The MU would consist of all the EU states and those countries on the Mediterranean rim/participating in the Barcelona process. The idea is to form a "bridge" between Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.

The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership (or Barcelona Process) started in 1995 with the Barcelona Euro-Mediterranean Conference. It was organized by the European Union to strengthen its relations with the countries in the Mashrig and Maghreb regions.

The European Union enlargement of 2004 brought two Mediterranean countries (Cyprus and Malta) into the Union, while adding a total of 10 to the number of Member States. The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership today comprises 37 members: 27 EU member states and 10 Mediterranean Partners (Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey). Libya, has had observer status since 1999.

With almost 500 million citizens the EU generates an estimated 31 % share of the world’s nominal GDP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) (US$ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US%24)16.6 trillion) in 2007.

The EU already has legislative powers in place that can challenge and overturn the laws of a sovereign nation. This is done by the European Courts of Justice, it also has the shell of a combined military force with EUFOR. It also wields huge economic and political power because it is the biggest trading partner to countries like the USA, China and India among others. It's GDP is greater than the USA's and it has a greater population than the USA.

Under the original plans, members would form a regular council under a rotating presidency (similar to the current EU model) dealing with energy, security, counter –terrorism, immigration and trade. French nuclear expertise would be exchanged for North African gas reserves. The Mediterranean and European Unions would work together and share some institutions, including a common judicial area to fight corruption, terrorism, organized crime and people smuggling.

Map of the boundaries of the western (brown) and eastern (purple) Roman empires after the death of Theodosius I, in 395 AD.

A comparison of the 395 AD Roman Empire map with the upcoming Mediterranean Union (MU) map, reveals that the maps are very close to each other.


Source:
Wiki

Bronagh
Jun 30th 2008, 12:17 PM
Hi, Bronagh! I haven't learned any more about this yet, but it is very interesting to me too. I'll try to do some research on the subject, and if I find anything I will post it. By the way, I have heard that Ireland will be holding a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, possibly next year. Is the report true, and would you be willing to provide us with your personal insights or any updates as you see them happening? Thanks, Bronagh!

I'm not sure if the referendum is confirmed yet, it looks like it may happen, Sarkozy and Merkel seem to want it anyway, but so far I don't think they've set a definite plan... I'm not sure though, I haven't heard much about it in the news recently, everyone seems completely sick of it because it's all they were talking about on the news for weeks afterwards. If they do hold a second referendum, I hope the government explains it a bit better... the Treaty itself is very confusing, and I think a lot of people voted no because they couldn't be quite sure of what power they were giving up. There was a also a lot of concern as to what it would mean for Ireland's neutrality. I hope this Treaty gets fully ratified, which seems to be happening anyway, but I really don't want Ireland left behind...

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 01:10 PM
African Union observers on Monday condemned Zimbabwe's one-man election as undemocratic, intensifying pressure on Robert Mugabe (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=3562) as he faced his peers after a vote much of the world had dismissed as a farce.

Mugabe was attending an African summit in Egypt a day after being sworn in amid growing calls for the continent's leaders to act to resolve the crisis, which some feared could destabilise southern Africa. "The vote fell short of the AU's standards of democratic elections," monitors from the 53-nation bloc said in a statement issued in Harare as their leaders met in the Red Sea resort of Sharm El-Sheikh.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2349520,00.html

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 02:32 PM
I have made it my passion and ministry to integrate some of the excellent posts on the forums concerning the Last Days in the Middle East. We have discussed the signs in heavens and their dates in the Controversial Section. I want as much as possible members to participate in this discussion.
You are NOT allowed in this thread to discuss any dates concerning the Rapture, Tribulation, Antichrist and Second Coming of Christ.

I want this thread to remain in the ETC section please.

After this thread I will integrate all info on the forums concerning Last Days into thread #2.

….. All is under the permissive direction of God, as with Job and Satan long ago.Rev 13:5. (KJV Bible Commentary)

Roelof
Jun 30th 2008, 02:56 PM
LAST DAYS – MIDDLE EAST

But of that [year], day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Mat 24:36, KJV)

ESCHATOLOGY (LAST DAYS) — the study of what will happen when all things are consummated at the end of history, particularly centering on the event known as the Second Coming of Christ. The word comes from two Greek words, eschatos (last) and logos (study) — thus its definition as "the study of last things." (Nelson Illustrated Bible Dictionary)

The Middle East is a historical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_geography) and political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) region of Afro-Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Eurasia) with no clear boundaries. The term "Middle East" was popularized around 1900 in the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom); it has a loose definition traditionally encompassing countries or regions in Western Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Asia) and parts of North Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa).

The Middle East lies at the juncture of Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia) and Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) and of the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea) and the Indian Ocean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean). It is the birthplace and spiritual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality) center of the Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity), Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam), Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism), Yezidi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yezidi), and in Iran, Mithraism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism), Zoroastrianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism), Manichaeism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism), and the Bahá'í Faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith). Throughout its history the Middle East has been a major center of world affairs; a strategically, economically, politically, culturally, and religiously sensitive area.

The earliest civilizations, Mesopotamia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia) and ancient Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt), originated in the Fertile Crescent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_Crescent) and Nile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile) Valley regions of the ancient Near East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Near_East), as well as the civilizations of the Levant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Levant), Persia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran), and Arabian Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula).

The Middle East defines a geographical area, but does not have precisely defined borders. The modern definition of the region includes: Bahrain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain), Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), Kuwait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait), Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), Oman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman), the Palestinian territories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories), Qatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), the United Arab Emirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates), and Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen).

The Middle East is home to numerous ethnic groups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups), including Arabs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab), Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people), Persians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_people), Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew), Armenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians), Georgians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians), Egyptians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians), Kurds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds), Assyrians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people)-Syriacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriacs), Azeris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeris), Circassians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians), Berbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people), Somalis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people), Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks), Samaritans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans), Turkmens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_people), Pashtuns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns), Baluch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluch), Habesha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesha), and Nubians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians).

According to the International Monetary Fund's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund) World Economic Outlook Database of April 2008, the two largest Middle Eastern economies in 2007 Saudi Arabia and Iran in terms of Nominal GDP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29); and Iran and Saudi Arabia in terms of GDP-PPP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29). When it comes to per capita (PPP) based income, the three highest ranking countries are the UAE ($49,700), Qatar ($29,800) and Kuwait ($23,100). The two lowest ranking countries in the Middle East, in terms of per capita income (PPP) are Yemen ($1,000 as of 2006) and Iraq ($1,900 as of 2006).

The economic structure of Middle Eastern nations are different in the sense that while some nations are heavily dependent on export of only oil and oil-related products (such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Kuwait), others have a highly diverse economic base (such as Egypt).

(wiki)


CONCLUSION

We must watch, pray and be ready.

That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued. (Rom 10:9, 1611 KJV)

The LORD shall reign forever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD. (Psa 146:10, KJV)

Psalm 11:4 (New Living Translation)

But the Lord is in his holy Temple;
the Lord still rules from heaven.
He watches everyone closely,
examining every person on earth.

….. All is under the permissive direction of God, as with Job and Satan long ago. Rev 13:5. (KJV Bible Commentary)

Jerome1
Jun 30th 2008, 06:39 PM
Hello, Gillian! May I ask you to keep us updated about this EU treaty and how Ireland's vote has effected it? I am watching this subject closely and would love to hear from a first-hand witness as to what's going on.

Also, there was someone in another post who mentioned a story about St. Patrick, but I can't remember who the person is that posted it. The story was that St. Patrick asked the Lord to spare Ireland from the Tribulation period and the Lord said He would grant the request. Have you heard about this story? A person we know from Ireland said he had heard it, but he added that there was another part to it, that God also told St. Patrick that before the 7-year Tribulation period had begun Ireland would be drowned. Any chance you have some insight to share about this?

I mentioned it in another thread, and another poster, "daughter," knew what i was talking about. I read before that saint Patrik prayed to God to spare Ireland from the Antichrist, and God granted his request. I don't know if it's an ancient myth or if there is any truth in it. There is also something about the sea spreading over Ireland seven years before Judgement Day to save the people from the terrors and temptations of the Antichrist.

wombat
Jul 1st 2008, 02:16 AM
I mentioned it in another thread, and another poster, "daughter," knew what i was talking about. I read before that saint Patrik prayed to God to spare Ireland from the Antichrist, and God granted his request. I don't know if it's an ancient myth or if there is any truth in it. There is also something about the sea spreading over Ireland seven years before Judgement Day to save the people from the terrors and temptations of the Antichrist.
Thank you, Jerome1! I appreciate the information!

Roelof
Jul 1st 2008, 04:28 PM
Israel again sealed off the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Tuesday in retaliation for a rocket attack the previous day in breach of a truce in and around the impoverished Palestinian enclave.

Military authorities closed the three border crossing points that had been used mainly to deliver humanitarian supplies to Gaza since Israel imposed a blockade after the June 2007 bloody takeover by Hamas.
It wasn't immediately clear when border crossings would re-open. "We'll review the situation at the end of the day and then take a decision," said Israeli military spokesperson Peter Lerner.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2350215,00.html

Roelof
Jul 3rd 2008, 04:43 AM
New York - Oil prices leapt above $144 a barrel in London Wednesday after data revealed a drop in stockpiles of US crude.

Amid falling inventories, the secretary general of the Organisation of Petroleum Export Countries, Abdallah el-Badri, said in an interview published Wednesday that US authorities should stop harassing the organisation's member nations to pump more crude.

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1793_2351023

Roelof
Jul 3rd 2008, 12:20 PM
Pressure was mounting last night for the key role of mediating an end to the crisis in Zimbabwe to be taken out of the hands of Thabo Mbeki, the President of South Africa, whose “softly softly” approach to Robert Mugabe has been condemned worldwide.

The UN’s push for greater involvement came amid mounting frustration with the failure of current mediation efforts. The United States pushed for Mr Mugabe and other ring-leaders of election abuses in Zimbabwe to be slapped with a worldwide travel ban and the freezing of their assets.
Diplomats said that the UN was considering a shortlist of leading African politicians, including the former UN Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, to help negotiate a political settlement in the country.

Other possible mediators include the former Nigerian President, Olusegun Obasanjo; the former President of Mozambique, Joaquim Chissano; and President John Kufuor of Ghana.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4258207.ece

Roelof
Jul 4th 2008, 02:24 PM
French President Nicolas Sarkozy's ambition to find a quick fix to the crisis sparked by Ireland's veto of the European Union's Lisbon Treaty is facing stiff resistance by the Polish and Czech presidents.

Straight off the bat at the July 1 start of France's six-month presidency of the European Union, both leaders of the two 2004 EU entrants made it clear the Irish "No" was not the only problem Paris was facing to get the Lisbon Treaty, a crucial reform package for the 27-member bloc, back on track.

Poland's conservative President Lech Kaczynski has said he won't give the treaty his seal of approval so long as Ireland didn't change its mind. Populist eurosceptic Czech President Vaclav Klaus is lobbying hard for Prague's parliament to scupper ratification. Their positions cast further doubt on the chances for the treaty, rejected by Irish voters in a June 12 referendum, to gain the unanimous approval of the EU's 27 member states which it must have to take effect.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2351901,00.html

Roelof
Jul 4th 2008, 03:43 PM
Israel’s vision of Jerusalem as its “indivisible capital” came under attack yesterday as leaders reacted to Wednesday’s carnage by calling for a wall across the city’s ethnic divide.
The Government says that the barrier between itself and Palestinian communities in the West Bank has thwarted many terrorist attacks. However, two recent acts of terrorism perpetuated by Arabs living in east Jerusalem has left some asking whether Israel should abandon the dream of a united Jerusalem and isolate itself further from Arab communities.
Haim Ramon, the Israeli Vice Prime Minister, led a growing chorus of voices calling for a barrier to separate many of east Jerusalem’s neighbourhoods from the rest of the city. “It would be much more difficult to carry out attacks like these and 50,000 Palestinians who live in those two neighborhoods would not be able to reach Jerusalem so easily if they didn’t have blue [Israeli] identity cards,” he said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4264455.ece

Roelof
Jul 4th 2008, 03:49 PM
The African way of democracy and keeping your seat?

Fresh from his rigged election victory, Robert Mugabe and his military backers plan to assassinate or frame dozens of opposition MPs in an attempt to consolidate power and take back control of Parliament.
The Zanu (PF) party of Mr Mugabe lost its grip on the legislature for the first time since independence when the Movement for Democratic Change took control of the Lower House and drew level in the Senate after the March elections.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4265377.ece

Roelof
Jul 4th 2008, 03:53 PM
Moses Chikomba does not care much about politics. He does not care whether the land is owned by blacks or whites. All he cares about is that his $50 billion monthly salary will buy him just two bars of soap. In three days it will buy only one.

“What does the future hold for us?” he asks, clutching the near-worthless notes with their eye-popping strings of zeros. “We are all billionaires who can afford to buy nothing. That is why I hate that old man.”

Robert Mugabe may have murdered, tortured and beaten his way back into power. But, as he begins his sixth term in office, it is a different grudge most Zimbabweans hold against him. Hyperinflation is now galloping towards highs seen only by the likes of the Weimar Republic and postwar Hungary.

Inflation is 8.5 million per cent and economists believe that it will rise to more than 100 million per cent by September.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4258492.ece

Roelof
Jul 5th 2008, 06:51 AM
Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille on Friday forecast gloomier prospects for SA under a Jacob Zuma presidency, but said she did not foresee the country following the same path as Zimbabwe.

There were signs Zuma would take "the ANC's assault on the values of our Constitution" considerably further than his predecessor, Thabo Mbeki, she warned in a weekly newsletter, published on her party's SA Today website.
"Part of Mbeki's legacy will be the abuse of institutions of state to advance the interests of a faction of the ANC. This is not about to change under Zuma. "On the contrary, there are indications that Jacob Zuma will take the ANC's assault on the values of our Constitution a considerable way further than his predecessor. He and his allies show increasing disdain for the rule of law."

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2352073,00.html

Roelof
Jul 5th 2008, 07:18 AM
Zimbabwe is on the brink of an unprecedented famine after its worst harvest since independence in 1980. The plight of Zimbabweans is compounded by the deliberate starvation of most of the population because of their support for the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).

A crop assessment by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) says that the country that once fed scores of famine-stricken African nations will harvest only 575,000 tonnes of maize, the national staple, from last summer's crop - only 28 per cent of the grain needed to feed the country's estimated 11.8 million people.

Already 29 per cent of the population are “chronically malnourished,” according to the Health Ministry and the UN. A similar percentage of children suffer stunting.

In Bulawayo, cases of malnutrition in hospitals have increased 110 per cent in two months.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4271714.ece

Roelof
Jul 5th 2008, 07:22 AM
Hopes of early negotiations to end the crisis in Zimbabwe took a fresh blow yesterday as Robert Mugabe ruled out any talks with the opposition until it recognises him formally as the legitimate President.
Thousands of supporters were ordered to report to Harare Airport in full Zanu (PF) regalia to greet Mr Mugabe as he arrived home from a summit of African Union (AU) leaders, having dodged serious censure, despite fierce condemnation from countries such as Botswana and Kenya.
Addressing the crowd, Mr Mugabe said that Morgan Tsvangirai should not “delude” himself into thinking the election results could be nullified and that the opposition leader must renounce his claim to the presidency before any dialogue.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4271875.ece

Roelof
Jul 6th 2008, 05:57 AM
Britain's Foreign Secretary David Miliband will visit South Africa next week, the foreign ministry announced on Saturday, as the two countries' approach to the problem of Zimbabwe grew ever wider.

President Thabo Mbeki (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=895) has pursued a policy of "quiet diplomacy" towards Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=3562), who last month won an uncontested election run-off plagued with violence and intimidation.
Former colonial power Britain has, by contrast, ostracised Mugabe, and demanded a string of new United Nations sanctions against his regime. "The British Foreign Secretary is coming on Monday. He will visit his South African counterpart on Tuesday" as part of a South African/British bilateral forum, a foreign ministry spokesperson, Ronnie Mamoepa, said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2352775,00.html

Roelof
Jul 6th 2008, 07:06 AM
The White House said on Saturday that G8 leaders are likely to "strongly condemn" Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=3562) and "strongly question" his government's legitimacy, at their Japan summit beginning Monday.
Dennis Wilder, the National Security Council's senior director for Asia affairs, said he believed that Zimbabwe would be condemned as part of the G8 leaders' official statement.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2352827,00.html

Roelof
Jul 6th 2008, 07:22 AM
The murder toll is dropping, the insurgents are on the run. Our correspondent is on the front line as the Iraqi army takes control

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276323.ece

Roelof
Jul 6th 2008, 07:28 AM
As G8 leaders meet, reports show that their influence in the continent is flimsy and getting weaker

Bronwen Maddox

It has been three years since the Gleneagles summit, when Tony Blair led the world’s most powerful countries in pledging to double aid to Africa within five years. Bob Geldof, enlisted by Mr Blair, provided the soundtrack to the summit with his Live 8 concerts, held under the banner of Make Poverty History.

Geldof gave the world leaders almost top marks, with an unfortunate echo of President Bush’s premature claim of victory in Iraq. “A great justice has been done,” he said. “On aid, ten out of ten; on debt, eight out of ten . . . mission accomplished, frankly.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4272569.ece

servant of Lord
Jul 7th 2008, 02:55 AM
Hi, Roelof! I do feel that these current food shortages around the globe are a sign that Jesus spoke of when He said their would be famines before His return. Just this year in particular, much of today's headlines center around the food crisis. There have been rice shortages, corn shortages, and wheat shortages, among many other food substances. Revelation 6:5-6 speaks of the apocalyptic black horse bringing famine. It says a loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will sell for a day's pay! I suspect that we've just seen the beginning of this food crisis and that it will grow worse and worse until the black horse begins its ride. I know some people believe the horses are already riding, and that may be true. I don't know. My theory is that the first horse, the white horse, represents the rise of the antiChrist, so the following horses would ride after he is made known to the world. That's just a theory, though.

Anyway, here's a link to an article regarding the wheat crisis. I found this very interesting in relation to the Revelation 6 reference to wheat bread.

http://www.worthynews.com/news/washingtontimes-com-apps-pbcs-dll-article-AID--20080509-FOREIGN-646631468-1001/ (http://www.worthynews.com/news/washingtontimes-com-apps-pbcs-dll-article-AID--20080509-FOREIGN-646631468-1001/)



Amen, to that. I think what you are saying is the truth. when you read revelation chapter 6 you see these things happening...and in speaks directly about the wheat and barley..just what we hear in the news and see in the stores...Then Jesus said there would be famines..so we see these things coming to pass....
some say that no, this has not happened yet. That is fine to belive what you want. But, as for me and my house, we do see these things happening now. They are increasing as the days go by also.
Praise the Lord, for the day of our Lord is here. Rejoice.:pp

servant of Lord
Jul 7th 2008, 03:06 AM
BIOFUELS have forced global food prices up by 75% (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23967406-5005961,00.html) – far more than previously estimated – according to a confidential World Bank report. The figure contradicts US Government estimates that plant-derived fuels have contributed less than 3% to food-price increases. Rising food prices have pushed 100 million people worldwide below the poverty line. Mr Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the World Bank study said: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases. Even successive droughts in Australia have had a marginal impact." Instead, the report said the EU and US drive for biofuels has had the biggest impact on food supply and prices. "Without the increase in biofuels, global wheat and maize stocks would not have declined appreciably and price increases due to other factors would have been moderate."

IRAQ (http://www.currentargus.com/ci_9731229) - After struggling through five years of war, Iraq is facing an acute drought, which has slashed agricultural production and threatens to decimate livestock.

STRAWBERRIES (http://www.yle.fi/news/id95487.html) - FINLAND - On Wednesday, tens of thousands of kilograms of ripe and unripe strawberries were destroyed in Suonenjoki, central Finland, when an UNUSUALLY fierce hail storm pummelled fields.

CANTELOPES (http://thepacker.com/icms/_dtaa2/content/2008-173728-693.asp?stype=topnews) - U.S. - Delays and shortages should continue to limit cantaloupe availability, possibly through July, grower-shippers said. Cold, windy weather that affected pollination and plants’ first bloom, and later scorching heat that hurt vines and left fruit sunburned, reduced the first half of the Bakersfield-California area crop by 30-40%. A week of high temperatures in Arizona “pretty much wiped out” late shipments from there, putting additional upward pressure on markets.

SOD (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=769157) - Wisconsin - Between the winter's record-breaking snowfall and June's record-breaking rainfall, sod farmers in the state's southeast region are worried about meeting crop demands this year. And with such high prices for commodities, input costs have some farmers facing substantial losses. "If we keep getting this kind of weather, we're in trouble." A preliminary estimate by Wisconsin Emergency Management for total agriculture damage topped $146 million in seven counties, although 22 counties have reported losses. Sod grows for an average of 18 months before it can be sold.

U.S. (http://www.telegram.com/article/20080528/NEWS/805280330/1002) - Global warming will bring more drought to the US within the next 50 years, leading to crop disruptions that fuel food inflation.

CHINA (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-locust3-2008jul03,0,5361489.story) - Add locusts to China's list of calamities - First there was the freak snowstorm in February. Then the Sichuan earthquake, widespread flooding and an algae bloom that is tarnishing the Olympic sailing venue.

AUSTRALIA (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/05/Australian_state_facing_drought_locusts/UPI-27681215276885/) - The Australian state of New South Wales is facing both a major drought and a locust invasion that could devastate food supplies. And consumers are facing the prospect of further price hikes, with a failure of winter crops likely to increase the cost of food. June was a "horror" month for the south-western region, where just 10mm of rain fell in some parts. Dam levels also were very low in crop-producing areas, particularly in the Snowy Mountains and the central west of the state, squeezing irrigation supplies. A locust plague devastated the state in 2005, wreaking $1 billion in damage to crops.

Global Inflationary Pressures: No End in Sight (http://seekingalpha.com/article/82043-global-inflationary-pressures-no-end-in-sight) - Worldwide, prices of commodities like crude oil, wheat and rice have skyrocketed in the last year or so. Policymakers have been finding themselves especially helpless in the present situation due to the "global" nature of the current inflation. Inflationary pressures, coming at a time when there are palpable signs of economic slowdown, have been spooking the global governments, policymakers, financial authorities and marketmen alike.

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 05:33 AM
servant of Lord

Excellent post !!!!

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 05:48 AM
Robert Mugabe (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=3562) would remain Zimbabwe's head of state but hand real power to opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=3575) as prime minister under a plan proposed by South African President Thabo Mbeki (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=895), the Guardian reported on Monday.
President Mugabe would stay in place until a new constitution was negotiated and fresh elections were held, the paper said, quoting a senior source from Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2353134,00.html

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 05:54 AM
Toyako, Japan - Leaders of the world's top industrial powers were under pressure on Monday to live up to pledges to help Africa as they opened a summit dominated by skyrocketing oil and food prices.
Leaders including US President George W Bush gathered in the secluded spa resort of Toyako in northern Japan for a three-day session, with eight African leaders joining the first day to take up the plight of the continent.

Protesters were being kept at bay in a specially designated camping area on the opposite side of sapphire-blue Lake Toya, away from the plush hilltop hotel where the world's most powerful leaders were gathering. European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso set the tone for the meeting by proposing the creation of a one-billion-euro EU fund to fight hunger and help farmers in poor countries.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2353124,00.html

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 06:03 AM
The case of an Army engineer accused over ten years ago of spying for Israel was the focus of a recent government watchdog group report and is once again being pressed by the orthodox Jewish organization, Agudath Israel of America.

The Army engineer, David Tenenbaum (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/null), he was given a polygraph test in 1997 during which he says anti-Jewish epithets were shouted at him. The next day, he says, he found his computer gone and his name erased from the e-mail system at TACOM (the Tank Automotive and Armaments Command), the military facility in Warren, Michigan where he worked.

He claims (http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1999/060099.htm) he was urged to confess to the crime of espionage but did not do so and was not arrested. Two days later, he says, on the Jewish Sabbath, investigators ransacked his home.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/12954.htm

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 06:05 AM
It looks like Mr. Obama is a shoo-in for the White House. It also looks like my people are going to be betrayed once again by a badly misguided American president. Jimmy Carter helped give birth to the virulent Shiite Islamism by forbidding the Shah of Iran to crush the bloodthirsty Ayatollah Khomeini and his band of rabid Islamists. Now, Mr. Obama intends to confer legitimacy on the illegitimate child, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Jimmy Carter, the self-appointed touring ambassador of bad-mouthing America must be rejoicing in the prospect of Mr. Obama's presidency. Mr. Obama holds the promise of not only carrying on the Carterian misguided policies, but taking them to their very ruinous end.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/12949.htm

wombat
Jul 7th 2008, 06:40 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is an article about Britain's plans to eliminate food waste in hopes of stopping the spiraling food prices.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/britain-declares-war-on-food-waste-861250.html

Roelof
Jul 7th 2008, 08:17 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is an article about Britain's plans to eliminate food waste in hopes of stopping the spiraling food prices.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/britain-declares-war-on-food-waste-861250.html

wombar

The wastage is incredible !!!

Up to 40 per cent of groceries can be lost before they are consumed due to poor processing, storage and transport.

The report says UK households .... throwing away 4.1 million tonnes of food that could have been eaten.

wombat
Jul 8th 2008, 12:45 AM
The wastage is incredible !!! Up to 40 per cent of groceries can be lost before they are consumed due to poor processing, storage and transport. The report says UK households .... throwing away 4.1 million tonnes of food that could have been eaten.
That is indeed an incredible amount of food waste--and I hate to say it but the United States may be even worse on that record. Restaurants here are serving huge portions of food, and while I know many people keep leftovers if they can't eat all of their meal, there are just as many people who don't. There are so many other ways we waste too. I have a feeling that this worldwide food crunch is going to cause many who have been careless with their blessings over the years to be much more careful in their habits.

Roelof
Jul 8th 2008, 04:37 AM
(I don't think Mbeki will agree to it.)


London - Britain on Monday called directly on South African President Thabo Mbeki to back international efforts to isolate key figures in Zimbabwe, including his counterpart Robert Mugabe. "I'm absolutely clear that we want South Africa, led by Thabo Mbeki, to join the international consensus this week at the UN," Foreign Secretary David Miliband told Sky News from Johannesburg, referring to Security Council talks on the situation.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2353423,00.html

White Spider
Jul 8th 2008, 06:00 AM
That is indeed an incredible amount of food waste--and I hate to say it but the United States may be even worse on that record. Restaurants here are serving huge portions of food, and while I know many people keep leftovers if they can't eat all of their meal, there are just as many people who don't. There are so many other ways we waste too. I have a feeling that this worldwide food crunch is going to cause many who have been careless with their blessings over the years to be much more careful in their habits.

I know for a fact the U.S. is worse . . .

Most farmers grow more than they need each year "just in case they have a bad year" but does that extra go out, no! American potato farmers alone burn or let rot 2 million tons of potatoes a year, that's already half of what all of Britain's households waste and we just touched the potatoes . . . Places that swear by "fresh" served food like Krispy Kreme Donuts on average throw away 1 million tons a year of perfectly edible donuts. Me and my buddies used to go to Krispy Kreme's right after they'd close and pick up several boxes full in the dumpsters . . . so many places do that to . . . Some say it's possible to end world hunger now if only the food got to those who needed it.

Roelof
Jul 8th 2008, 04:50 PM
Toyako - Leaders of the Group of Eight powers called for "further steps" against Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe's regime, but avoided any mention of sanctions in a statement on Tuesday.

The leaders, several of whom have called for UN sanctions against Zimbabwe during their summit in Japan, said they would take further action, including financial measures, against the African nation over its contested election. "We will take further steps, inter alia introducing financial and other measures against those individuals responsible for the violence," they said in a special statement on Zimbabwe.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2354065,00.html

Roelof
Jul 8th 2008, 04:56 PM
[Is it possible that war might break out in the Middle East (Iran, formerly known as Persia until 1935) followed by a peace treaty with Israel?
A total solar eclipse will happen on 1 Aug 2008, which is also Av 1. Av 9, Tisha B'Av, is the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples.]

Tehran - Iran will hit Tel Aviv, US shipping in the Gulf and American interests around the world if it is attacked over its disputed nuclear activities, an aide to Iran's Supreme Leader was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

"The first bullet fired by America at Iran will be followed by Iran burning down its vital interests around the globe," the students news agency ISNA quoted Ali Shirazi as saying in a speech to Revolutionary Guards. The United States and its allies suspect Iran is trying to build nuclear bombs. Tehran says its programme is peaceful.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2354100,00.html

Roelof
Jul 9th 2008, 04:07 AM
Harare - Zimbabwe's government said on Tuesday that the G8 leaders' rejection of President Robert Mugabe's legitimacy and threats of financial measures against his regime are racist and an insult to African leaders.
"They want to undermine the African Union and (South African) President Mbeki's (mediation) efforts because they are racist, because they think only white people think better," said Deputy Information Minister Bright Matonga. "It's an insult to African leaders," Matonga said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2354183,00.html