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BCF
Aug 22nd 2008, 01:37 PM
I was asked to write a paper about Fall for our Church, but they want me to somehow include scripture with it. I have been searching the scripture trying to find anything about Four Seasons and have come up with nothing. The closes I have come to was Exodus 13:10 and Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, but those verses really are not speaking of Fall. I know that God created everything for a purpose and a reason, but I am starting to wonder if God really created the Four Seasons or if Man did, simply because I can't find anything about it in scripture.

Can someone please help.

Dave

BCF
Aug 22nd 2008, 06:29 PM
I asked this question this morning and never saw it posted, so I guess I put it in the wrong place. Now I will try and ask it here again on Bible Chat.

My question is can anyone help me find where in scripture it tells us that God made the Four Seasons?
I know that God made everything and that God made everything for a purpose. I also am aware of the scriptures in Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, where God gives us the Events of Life, but I don't believe that God is talking about Four Seasons in those scriptures. What I believe God is talking about is Our Spiritual Life. I believe that because of what God says in verse 9 of that Chapter.

I am also aware of the scripture in Exodus 13:10, but I do not think that God is talking about Four Seasons in that scripture either. All God is talking about is holding His regulation from year to year.

The reason I am needing to try and find something about this is because I was asked to write something about Fall for our newsletter for Church, and was asked to include scripture with it. Well my problem is I can't find nothing in scripture that tells me that God created any of the Four Seasons to begin with. I know God created the sun and the moon which is how our calender was made.....I think......but our calender was made up by man. I find a scripture in Ecclesiastes 1:3 that tells me that I profit nothing if I put my labor by what the sun tells me.

So please, can anyone help me with this......:B

Dave

teddyv
Aug 22nd 2008, 07:19 PM
A quick search yielded these (all from BibleGateway, NIV). I don't know if it is quite what you are after. There are more but these seemed to be the most relevant to me.


Genesis 1:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&verse=14&version=31&context=verse)
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Genesis 1:13-15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&verse=13&end_verse=15&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Genesis 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 104:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&verse=19&version=31&context=verse)
The moon marks off the seasons, and the sun knows when to go down.
Psalm 104:18-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&verse=18&end_verse=20&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Psalm 104 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 14:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=14&verse=17&version=31&context=verse)
Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."

BCF
Aug 22nd 2008, 07:42 PM
A quick search yielded these (all from BibleGateway, NIV). I don't know if it is quite what you are after. There are more but these seemed to be the most relevant to me.


Genesis 1:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&verse=14&version=31&context=verse)
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
Genesis 1:13-15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&verse=13&end_verse=15&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Genesis 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 104:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&verse=19&version=31&context=verse)
The moon marks off the seasons, and the sun knows when to go down.
Psalm 104:18-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&verse=18&end_verse=20&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Psalm 104 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=104&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Acts 14:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=14&verse=17&version=31&context=verse)
Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."


Thank you for you response. What I am looking for is proof in scripture that God created Four Seasons. Not that God created a Season. Four Seasons as in Spring, Summer , Fall and Winter. The references did help though in my search I believe, because in Psalms 104:30 I read "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth." This is telling me that God sends forth His spirit and renews the earth which would be changing of season as we know it in Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.

What do you think?

teddyv
Aug 22nd 2008, 08:25 PM
Thank you for you response. What I am looking for is proof in scripture that God created Four Seasons. Not that God created a Season. Four Seasons as in Spring, Summer , Fall and Winter. The references did help though in my search I believe, because in Psalms 104:30 I read "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth." This is telling me that God sends forth His spirit and renews the earth which would be changing of season as we know it in Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.

What do you think?

I don't think there is a scripture that specifically says that:
"I, God, created the four seasons". There is plenty of implicit references to God's hand in the change of seasons.

God created this planet with a tilt.:)

BrckBrln
Aug 22nd 2008, 08:48 PM
I don't really understand the question. God created the sun and the earth (either with it's axis or made it happen sometime in history), so doesn't that mean by default that God created the seasons?

The Parson
Aug 22nd 2008, 08:52 PM
I placed your thread in Bible Chat so it would receive more attention.

Literalist-Luke
Aug 22nd 2008, 09:08 PM
Most Christian geologists will tell you there were no seasons before the Flood. The entire earth had a year-round tropical climate until the Flood. So you won't find it in the Bible that God created them that way.

BCF
Aug 22nd 2008, 10:16 PM
I don't really understand the question. God created the sun and the earth (either with it's axis or made it happen sometime in history), so doesn't that mean by default that God created the seasons?

I don't know, scripture really is not clear on the matter. Yes, I agree that God made the sun and the moon and the earth and everything on it. But there really is nothing that touches on the fact that God said in March it will be Spring, in June Summer will begin, in September Fall shall begin, and in December Winter shell begin.

Since the scripture is not clear about this how do we know for sure that God created these seasons as we know them? Yes, God did create season, but He never says when they are. For example, I have traveled all over the U.S. when I was a truck driver. I was in states where the people did not even know what a colored leaf looked like, simply because they lived in a area where it never got below 65 degrees. So when does there Fall start? They go off of the same calender as we do.

When we really think about it, it is really racks your brain.

BCF
Aug 22nd 2008, 10:20 PM
Most Christian geologists will tell you there were no seasons before the Flood. The entire earth had a year-round tropical climate until the Flood. So you won't find it in the Bible that God created them that way.

Well if God did not create the Four Seasons that way or the way that we know them. What way did God create the Four Seasons?

And what about those places now that have a tropical climate year round. When is it Fall or Winter for them? They have flowers and green grass year round. They don't even know what it is like to be cold.

talitha
Aug 23rd 2008, 03:12 AM
Very interestng......

This scripture came to mind:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. (Genesis 8:22)

Isn't "harvest" the equivilant of Autumn?

Literalist-Luke
Aug 23rd 2008, 04:31 AM
This scripture came to mind:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. (Genesis 8:22)

Isn't "harvest" the equivilant of Autumn?Keep in mind that this statement of the Lord's that you have quoted here in Genesis 8 was made after the Flood was over. If anything, that very fact only confirms the theory that I have suggested. I'll explain more below...
Well if God did not create the Four Seasons that way or the way that we know them. What way did God create the Four Seasons?

And what about those places now that have a tropical climate year round. When is it Fall or Winter for them? They have flowers and green grass year round. They don't even know what it is like to be cold.It all has to do with the earth's overall climate. Notice that in Genesis 1:6-8, it speaks of God separating the waters above from the waters below. What did that mean? Most people scratch their heads over that, shrug their shoulders and keep reading.

Numerous Christian geologists, including pre-eminent Creationists Henry Morris and John Whitcomb in their classic, The Genesis Flood, suggest that the "waters above" refers to a water vapor "blanket", if you will, that was in the upper reaches of the atmosphere just after Creation was completed. This "blanket" would have had numerous effects, including (1) filtering out a great deal more of the sun's UV rays than we are exposed to today, which would greatly extend human lifespans, which explains ages in the early parts of Genesis reaching 900 years+. (2) It would spread the sun's heat evenly over the entire surface of the earth, yielding a consistent climate from pole to pole, year round. (3) It would also mean there would be no rain. Notice Genesis 2:5b-6 - "The Lord God had not sent rain on the earth...but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground." This makes total sense in light of this theory.

The way the Flood appears to have occurred is this: The "fountains of the great deep" burst forth, which would possibly be volcanic activity, which God, in His foreknowledge of the future, "programmed" in the creative act to erupt at precisely the right moment for when He needed the Flood to occur. The volcanic ash/dust that was thrown into the atmosphere provided a catalyst with which the "waters above" were able to condense into actual drops of moisture, which produced the first rain clouds. This first round of thunderstorms was very likely the most severe weather that our world has ever seen. The water falling from the "blanket" in the atmosphere was sufficient to cover the entire surface of the earth, which was apparently mostly flat at that point. (I'll explain why I suggest that in a moment, just bear with me.)

After the atmosphere had rained itself out and the surface of the earth was completely inundated, the tremendous weight of the new water on the ground forced the weaker sections of ground to begin giving way, sinking down into the earth. The water ran down into these sinking parts, producing the oceans of today. Because any sinking requires an equal rising somewhere else, the mountains of today would have been pushed upward by the displacement below the surface, giving us today's great mountain ranges, such as the Rockies, the Himalayas, the Alps, and so on.

Notice that shortly after the description of the Flood, we notice lifespans steadily shrinking, to where Moses, at the young age of "only" 120 when he died, appears to have been the oldest Hebrew living at the time. This fits perfectly with this theory due to the greatly increased levels of UV rays from the sun now reaching the earth's surface.

In addition, the Flood being the first time that rain was ever observed on the earth also explains why that was also the first time anybody had ever seen a rainbow. God did not snap his fingers after the Flood and say "Let there be rainbows", the physical laws that cause rainbows were already in place from the moment of the initial Creation, it's just that nobody had ever had the opportunity until now to see this particular result of those physical laws. Now that rain was a present reality in nature, rainbows could and do occur.

With the resultant lack of distribution over the earth's surface of the sun's heat, the result is the climate that we see today with alternating seasons, deserts, and so on. The modern tropical climate around the equator, to answer BCF's question, is simply the natural result of their placement on the earth in relation to the sun's light on our surface. To be blunt, the people in those regions simply got lucky. (Of course, one leftover result of the Flood is that they also have to live with hurricanes. I'll pass on the hurricanes, thanks very much. :lol:)

A couple of other side notes that I find very interesting in light of this discussion:

In Romans 8:19-22 we are told “The creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.”

What is this strange passage talking about? It is certainly very interesting in light of the Flood’s climate changes suggested by Henry Morris and John Whitcomb. It would seem to suggest that there will be a return to the initial climate prior to the Flood. Are there Scriptures that would support this suggestion? Let’s see:

The Bible tells us in Revelation 16:8-9, “The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.”

And also in Revelation 7:16, “ 'Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them, nor any scorching heat.”

So we have two indications here in Revelation that apparently to some extent, incredible heat is going to be an issue just prior to the 2nd Coming. Now what would be a result of a worldwide heat wave? Would not one of the main results be a tremendously accelerated evaporation of the surface waters? This could be the process by which the “waters above” will be returned to their original place. That would certainly go along also with the numerous statements through the Bible of the earth being “judged with fire” just before the 2nd Coming. It will have the dual result of not only punishing the Antichrist and his followers, but also it will contribute to the earth’s originally created climate being restored and nature being released from its curse, just as Paul speaks of in Romans 8.

In addition, all of this water evaporating from the surface would remove that extra weight I spoke of that forced the oceans floors to sink. With the weight removed, suddenly the current mountain ranges would be heavier and they would sink back to their original height.

Consider Isaiah 40:4 (which George Fredrick Handel made famous in his “Messiah” oratorio) – “ Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain.”

We also read in Ezekiel 38-39, Revelation 6, and Revelation 16 (along with several other passages) of unprecedented earthquakes being associated with the 2nd Coming. In light of this theory, that’s just one more thing that fits perfectly. It all fits together like a giant jigsaw puzzle.

Anyway, I hope this clarifies some things. I know it sure changed my view of things when I learned all this. :)

1of7000
Aug 23rd 2008, 05:06 AM
the weatherman identifies the seasons by the eqinox/solstice system.

winter solstice is the shortest day/longest night of the year.

summer solstice is the longest day/shortest night of the year.

equinoxes start fall and spring when daylight and night are equal.

so everywhere there are 4 seasons they just don't show the same way everywhere.

even in the U.S. AZ sees little snow and 110 is a cool day. VT seasons are a cold and blustery winter followed by six weeks of bad skiing.

Literalist-Luke
Aug 23rd 2008, 05:52 AM
the weatherman identifies the seasons by the eqinox/solstice system.

winter solstice is the shortest day/longest night of the year.

summer solstice is the longest day/shortest night of the year.

equinoxes start fall and spring when daylight and night are equal.

so everywhere there are 4 seasons they just don't show the same way everywhere.

even in the U.S. AZ sees little snow and 110 is a cool day. VT seasons are a cold and blustery winter followed by six weeks of bad skiing.This is all very true, but prior to the Genesis Flood, those days of varying length would not have affected the fluctuation of temperatures like we see today.

1of7000
Aug 23rd 2008, 02:59 PM
the point is there are still four seasons.

they are marked, noted , signified by God in the position of the sun with relation to the earth and its position on in its travel around the sun.
weather is not dependent upon astronomy it is a local phenomenom, so yes climactic conditions would change with the flood but not the timing of the seasons themselves.

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 03:23 PM
Keep in mind that this statement of the Lord's that you have quoted here in Genesis 8 was made after the Flood was over. If anything, that very fact only confirms the theory that I have suggested. I'll explain more below...It all has to do with the earth's overall climate. Notice that in Genesis 1:6-8, it speaks of God separating the waters above from the waters below. What did that mean? Most people scratch their heads over that, shrug their shoulders and keep reading.

Numerous Christian geologists, including pre-eminent Creationists Henry Morris and John Whitcomb in their classic, The Genesis Flood, suggest that the "waters above" refers to a water vapor "blanket", if you will, that was in the upper reaches of the atmosphere just after Creation was completed. This "blanket" would have had numerous effects, including (1) filtering out a great deal more of the sun's UV rays than we are exposed to today, which would greatly extend human lifespans, which explains ages in the early parts of Genesis reaching 900 years+. (2) It would spread the sun's heat evenly over the entire surface of the earth, yielding a consistent climate from pole to pole, year round. (3) It would also mean there would be no rain. Notice Genesis 2:5b-6 - "The Lord God had not sent rain on the earth...but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground." This makes total sense in light of this theory.

The way the Flood appears to have occurred is this: The "fountains of the great deep" burst forth, which would possibly be volcanic activity, which God, in His foreknowledge of the future, "programmed" in the creative act to erupt at precisely the right moment for when He needed the Flood to occur. The volcanic ash/dust that was thrown into the atmosphere provided a catalyst with which the "waters above" were able to condense into actual drops of moisture, which produced the first rain clouds. This first round of thunderstorms was very likely the most severe weather that our world has ever seen. The water falling from the "blanket" in the atmosphere was sufficient to cover the entire surface of the earth, which was apparently mostly flat at that point. (I'll explain why I suggest that in a moment, just bear with me.)

After the atmosphere had rained itself out and the surface of the earth was completely inundated, the tremendous weight of the new water on the ground forced the weaker sections of ground to begin giving way, sinking down into the earth. The water ran down into these sinking parts, producing the oceans of today. Because any sinking requires an equal rising somewhere else, the mountains of today would have been pushed upward by the displacement below the surface, giving us today's great mountain ranges, such as the Rockies, the Himalayas, the Alps, and so on.

Notice that shortly after the description of the Flood, we notice lifespans steadily shrinking, to where Moses, at the young age of "only" 120 when he died, appears to have been the oldest Hebrew living at the time. This fits perfectly with this theory due to the greatly increased levels of UV rays from the sun now reaching the earth's surface.

In addition, the Flood being the first time that rain was ever observed on the earth also explains why that was also the first time anybody had ever seen a rainbow. God did not snap his fingers after the Flood and say "Let there be rainbows", the physical laws that cause rainbows were already in place from the moment of the initial Creation, it's just that nobody had ever had the opportunity until now to see this particular result of those physical laws. Now that rain was a present reality in nature, rainbows could and do occur.

With the resultant lack of distribution over the earth's surface of the sun's heat, the result is the climate that we see today with alternating seasons, deserts, and so on. The modern tropical climate around the equator, to answer BCF's question, is simply the natural result of their placement on the earth in relation to the sun's light on our surface. To be blunt, the people in those regions simply got lucky. (Of course, one leftover result of the Flood is that they also have to live with hurricanes. I'll pass on the hurricanes, thanks very much. :lol:)

A couple of other side notes that I find very interesting in light of this discussion:

In Romans 8:19-22 we are told “The creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.”

What is this strange passage talking about? It is certainly very interesting in light of the Flood’s climate changes suggested by Henry Morris and John Whitcomb. It would seem to suggest that there will be a return to the initial climate prior to the Flood. Are there Scriptures that would support this suggestion? Let’s see:

The Bible tells us in Revelation 16:8-9, “The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.”

And also in Revelation 7:16, “ 'Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them, nor any scorching heat.”

So we have two indications here in Revelation that apparently to some extent, incredible heat is going to be an issue just prior to the 2nd Coming. Now what would be a result of a worldwide heat wave? Would not one of the main results be a tremendously accelerated evaporation of the surface waters? This could be the process by which the “waters above” will be returned to their original place. That would certainly go along also with the numerous statements through the Bible of the earth being “judged with fire” just before the 2nd Coming. It will have the dual result of not only punishing the Antichrist and his followers, but also it will contribute to the earth’s originally created climate being restored and nature being released from its curse, just as Paul speaks of in Romans 8.

In addition, all of this water evaporating from the surface would remove that extra weight I spoke of that forced the oceans floors to sink. With the weight removed, suddenly the current mountain ranges would be heavier and they would sink back to their original height.

Consider Isaiah 40:4 (which George Fredrick Handel made famous in his “Messiah” oratorio) – “ Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain.”

We also read in Ezekiel 38-39, Revelation 6, and Revelation 16 (along with several other passages) of unprecedented earthquakes being associated with the 2nd Coming. In light of this theory, that’s just one more thing that fits perfectly. It all fits together like a giant jigsaw puzzle.

Anyway, I hope this clarifies some things. I know it sure changed my view of things when I learned all this. :)

This is very very good, and I thank you very much for your time in writing it. You have given me lots to consider and think about with scripture before I write my newsletter for our Church. I don't know why but I am being checked about this writing for some reason by my Spirit. So I am being very cautious with what I will write. But any input from anyone is helpful. I am reading all post and taking any suggestions.

I thank all of you who have posted anything thus far for your help.

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 03:27 PM
the point is there are still four seasons.

they are marked, noted , signified by God in the position of the sun with relation to the earth and its position on in its travel around the sun.
weather is not dependent upon astronomy it is a local phenomenom, so yes climactic conditions would change with the flood but not the timing of the seasons themselves.

Do you have any scripture to support what you are saying here other then that God created the earth?

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 03:35 PM
Very interestng......

This scripture came to mind:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. (Genesis 8:22)

Isn't "harvest" the equivilant of Autumn?

Yes I will agree that "harvest" would be equivalent of Autumn, as we know Autumn. But what about places like California where there is no Autumn. They still harvest when there plants give fruit. As a matter of fact I think they can harvest year round. But they still go by the same calendar as we do.

Do you see what I am saying......

RogerW
Aug 23rd 2008, 04:29 PM
I asked this question this morning and never saw it posted, so I guess I put it in the wrong place. Now I will try and ask it here again on Bible Chat.

My question is can anyone help me find where in scripture it tells us that God made the Four Seasons?
I know that God made everything and that God made everything for a purpose. I also am aware of the scriptures in Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, where God gives us the Events of Life, but I don't believe that God is talking about Four Seasons in those scriptures. What I believe God is talking about is Our Spiritual Life. I believe that because of what God says in verse 9 of that Chapter.

I am also aware of the scripture in Exodus 13:10, but I do not think that God is talking about Four Seasons in that scripture either. All God is talking about is holding His regulation from year to year.

The reason I am needing to try and find something about this is because I was asked to write something about Fall for our newsletter for Church, and was asked to include scripture with it. Well my problem is I can't find nothing in scripture that tells me that God created any of the Four Seasons to begin with. I know God created the sun and the moon which is how our calender was made.....I think......but our calender was made up by man. I find a scripture in Ecclesiastes 1:3 that tells me that I profit nothing if I put my labor by what the sun tells me.

So please, can anyone help me with this......:B

Dave

Greetings BCF,

You may or may not be interested, but did you know that the Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences Commonly Known as Luther's 95 Theses was nailed to the Castle Church in Wittenburg, Germany on Oct 31, 1517 was the primary catalyst for the Protestant Reformation?

Many churches today have no idea of what the Protestant Reformation was about. Since you were ask to write something about Fall for your church newsletter, you might like to do a little research on how that Oct day enacted changes that gave the church freedom from Roman Catholic tyranny.

In our church we celebrate Reformation Day every Oct 31, when we remember those great men of faith who willingly gave their lives for doctrinal purity, and Godly piety.

Many Blessings,
RW

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 05:35 PM
Greetings BCF,

You may or may not be interested, but did you know that the Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences Commonly Known as Luther's 95 Theses was nailed to the Castle Church in Wittenburg, Germany on Oct 31, 1517 was the primary catalyst for the Protestant Reformation?

Many churches today have no idea of what the Protestant Reformation was about. Since you were ask to write something about Fall for your church newsletter, you might like to do a little research on how that Oct day enacted changes that gave the church freedom from Roman Catholic tyranny.

In our church we celebrate Reformation Day every Oct 31, when we remember those great men of faith who willingly gave their lives for doctrinal purity, and Godly piety.

Many Blessings,
RW

Hello RW,

I never even gave this a thought. Maybe this is why I am being so hesitant in writing the newsletter about Fall as in the Season Fall. God may wants me to go a whole other direction with this. I shall pray about it and thank you very much.

flybaby
Aug 23rd 2008, 06:25 PM
Here in Alaska we have two seasons - this winter and the next!

Seriously though, I would think the verse in Genesis would be enough to convince of the "seasons". Yes, there were no seasons before the flood, but neither was their rain. And there is plenty of support in the Bible that God made the rain.

I really love the verse in Genesis because it totally refutes the whole global warming theory.

Literalist-Luke
Aug 23rd 2008, 07:01 PM
the point is there are still four seasons.

they are marked, noted , signified by God in the position of the sun with relation to the earth and its position on in its travel around the sun.
weather is not dependent upon astronomy it is a local phenomenom, so yes climactic conditions would change with the flood but not the timing of the seasons themselves.OK, so, is there a disagreement here? :hmm: I guess I'm missing your point, sorry.

Literalist-Luke
Aug 23rd 2008, 07:05 PM
I really love the verse in Genesis because it totally refutes the whole global warming theory."Global warming" is the biggest farce and fleece job in the history of mankind. I'd like to see those environmentalists' faces when the fourth bowl judgment hits...

1of7000
Aug 23rd 2008, 07:11 PM
Do you have any scripture to support what you are saying here other then that God created the earth?

Genesis 1:14. astronomical signs and weather are two different beasties. fall in Kuwait is fall in VT since both are on the same side of the equator. I've seen both and they look very different. And I imagine that prior to the flood weather was different.

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 08:59 PM
Genesis 1:14. astronomical signs and weather are two different beasties. fall in Kuwait is fall in VT since both are on the same side of the equator. I've seen both and they look very different. And I imagine that prior to the flood weather was different.


Okay, so God appointed the sun and the moon for signs and for seasons. I do not disagree with that. I believe that God created the Sun and the Moon for the Seasons to change. But that is not my question. My question is did God make the Four Seasons? As in Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. I'm not saying that God did not make the Moon and the Sun to change the Season, because he did. I'm wanting to know where in scripture we find proof that God makes Spring Season, Summer Season, Fall Season and Winter Season. I cannot find this anywhere in scripture but it happens, and I know that God controls everything year to year and Season to Season. Where do we find this in scripture.

Dave

teddyv
Aug 23rd 2008, 09:54 PM
Okay, so God appointed the sun and the moon for signs and for seasons. I do not disagree with that. I believe that God created the Sun and the Moon for the Seasons to change. But that is not my question. My question is did God make the Four Seasons? As in Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. I'm not saying that God did not make the Moon and the Sun to change the Season, because he did. I'm wanting to know where in scripture we find proof that God makes Spring Season, Summer Season, Fall Season and Winter Season. I cannot find this anywhere in scripture but it happens, and I know that God controls everything year to year and Season to Season. Where do we find this in scripture.

Dave

The seasons are a result of God creating the planet with tilt and rotation. The season names I would think are man-made names based on the apparent change of position of the sun and stars in the sky.

teddyv
Aug 23rd 2008, 09:57 PM
Most Christian geologists will tell you there were no seasons before the Flood. The entire earth had a year-round tropical climate until the Flood. So you won't find it in the Bible that God created them that way.

Christian geologist here. Sorry, I don't accept that explanation. I know definitively of one other Christian geologist and she would also concur with me. I would hesitate to say that even most serious Christian geologists accept that explanation.

BCF
Aug 23rd 2008, 10:10 PM
The seasons are a result of God creating the planet with tilt and rotation. The season names I would think are man-made names based on the apparent change of position of the sun and stars in the sky.

This makes sense to me. I can agree that when God made the planet, He made it with tilt and rotation. We find proof of that from what is recorded in Genesis 1:14. As far as the names are concerned of the Four Seasons, they had to come from man, because God only calls it a Season. Everywhere I look in scripture when it pertains to harvesting crops or planting crops, the scripture always says to do it in it's due Season.

Dave

1of7000
Aug 24th 2008, 01:53 AM
The seasons are a result of God creating the planet with tilt and rotation. The season names I would think are man-made names based on the apparent change of position of the sun and stars in the sky.

Tag that's it....

Literalist-Luke
Aug 24th 2008, 01:57 AM
Christian geologist here. Sorry, I don't accept that explanation. I know definitively of one other Christian geologist and she would also concur with me. I would hesitate to say that even most serious Christian geologists accept that explanation.There are always exceptions. :yes: So what is your theory on how the Flood occurred if you don't accept Henry Morris' and John Whitcomb's theory?