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timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 03:55 PM
I am doing some study regarding those who were set aside to work art in the Tabernacle and Temple... basically I'm scouring the Bible to find every artist in it...

I would like some help... and I thought it would be an interesting discussion

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 04:13 PM
What is amazing is that after G_d called them to do the job, He also equipped them to do so...

Exodus 35:
30 And Moses said unto the children of Israel, See, the LORD hath called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah;

31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

32 And to devise curious works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,

33 And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of wood, to make any manner of cunning work.

34 And he hath put in his heart that he may teach, both he, and Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.

35 Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine

Tanya~
Sep 6th 2008, 04:26 PM
The plans for both the tabernacle and the temple were given by revelation:

Ex 26:30; 1 Chr 28:19

Interestingly, the chief craftsman for Solomon's temple was a man of Tyre named Huram, who served the king of Tyre and who had a Hebrew mother from the tribe of Dan (2 Chron 2).

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 04:26 PM
That's what I think was so amazing about the art in the Bible... that God filled them with wisdom and revelation... just like he does for any other ministry position...

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 04:32 PM
... just like he does for any other ministry position...And that is such a blessing!! :pp
He equips the willing ( the obedient ones)
or Anoints the appointed

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 04:38 PM
And that is such a blessing!! :pp
He equips the willing ( the obedient ones)
or Anoints the appointed

i bet you heard that from a preacher... :lol:

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 04:39 PM
The plans for both the tabernacle and the temple were given by revelation:

Ex 26:30; 1 Chr 28:19

Interestingly, the chief craftsman for Solomon's temple was a man of Tyre named Huram, who served the king of Tyre and who had a Hebrew mother from the tribe of Dan (2 Chron 2).

i thought he was a king...

Tanya~
Sep 6th 2008, 04:47 PM
Hiram was the king of Tyre and Huram was his master craftsman.

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 04:47 PM
i bet you heard that from a preacher... :lol:Nope, I am walking in it :pp

Bethany67
Sep 6th 2008, 04:51 PM
i thought he was a king...

He was; Hiram was a Phoenician ruler, King of Tyre, who reigned for about 35 years and died in the 930s BC. He supplied the materials for David's palace and Solomon's Temple.

Tanya~
Sep 6th 2008, 04:53 PM
Huram was the craftsman, Hiram was the king. :) You can read about it in 2 Chronicles chapter 2. :idea:

Kahtar
Sep 6th 2008, 05:23 PM
Hmmmm. Art in the Bible. Well, there is this:
Titus 3:12 When I shall send Artemas unto thee, or Tychicus, be diligent to come unto me to Nicopolis: for I have determined there to winter.
Sorry..............:D
Couldn't resist... :)

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 05:51 PM
i bet you heard that from a preacher... :lol:It is actually scriptural :idea:
See here ::Ex 31:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=31&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;

Ex 35:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded;

Ex 35:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered, offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

Ex 35:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) And all the women that were wise hearted did spin with their hands, and brought that which they had spun, both of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine linen.

Ex 36:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) Then wrought Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whom the LORD put wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.

Ex 36:2 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=2) And Moses called Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whose heart the LORD had put wisdom, even every one whose heart stirred him up to come unto the work to do it:

Ex 36:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubim of cunning work made he them.


Their willingness = wiseheartedness..... and in their hearts the L_rd put His wisdom to do what He has called them to do.... THUS G_d has blessed the obedient/willing with wisdom :)

BroRog
Sep 6th 2008, 05:59 PM
Hi Timmy,

Not sure you will find the word "art" in the Bible. But I was thinking that if I had to do a Bible search on the topic, I would search for related words like, "adorn", "adornment", "image", "beauty", "create", "creation". Also, like the Temple, other things men make are adorned with images or artwork. So we might look at words like "build", "built", "made", and "erected."

Also, we might think about the purpose of art. What is art? Why do we make art? How does art communicate ideas that common modes of communication fail to express?

If we follow this line of thinking, we might search for passages in which the Bible give us it's view on indirect forms of communication such as the parable, the story, the illustration, the riddle, and etc.

Good luck and keep hunting. ;)

RoadWarrior
Sep 6th 2008, 06:06 PM
The greatest artist of all is in the Bible - God. He created beauty that all human artists can only copy.

As a photographer, I often observe the puny quality of even my best photos, compared to the Creation which I am trying to capture on film.

Even so, my pictures enable me to share my journeys with others who have not been to those places.

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 06:17 PM
Another art form is music.....

1 Chron 15:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=13&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.


2 Chron 7:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=14&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of music of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.

apothanein kerdos
Sep 6th 2008, 06:35 PM
Though somewhat unrelated, you might be interested in the book Art and the Bible by Francis Schaeffer.

SIG
Sep 6th 2008, 08:58 PM
...and then there's the golden calf...

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 08:59 PM
...and then there's the golden calf...

which is not godly art at all... i'm talking about that testifies of God's nature character and emotions... art that glorifies God..

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 09:00 PM
...and then there's the golden calf...Uhmmmmm pride in people for their talents and gifting??
Is this what you say??

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 09:02 PM
It is actually scriptural :idea:
See here ::Ex 31:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=31&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;

Ex 35:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded;

Ex 35:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered, offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

Ex 35:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=35&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) And all the women that were wise hearted did spin with their hands, and brought that which they had spun, both of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine linen.

Ex 36:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) Then wrought Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whom the LORD put wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.

Ex 36:2 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=2) And Moses called Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whose heart the LORD had put wisdom, even every one whose heart stirred him up to come unto the work to do it:

Ex 36:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=2&CHAP=36&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubim of cunning work made he them.


Their willingness = wiseheartedness..... and in their hearts the L_rd put His wisdom to do what He has called them to do.... THUS G_d has blessed the obedient/willing with wisdom :)

but it was so cliche... i mean... just a joke...

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 09:06 PM
but it was so cliche... i mean... just a joke...Be careful of idle words :idea:

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 09:17 PM
Be careful of idle words :idea:

a little harmless humor?

come one now give me a break

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 09:24 PM
a little harmless humor?

come one now give me a breakYou ask a honest question, (or so I thought....) I give you a honest answer.... and then you mock me :eek:



Okay...... I'll give you a break :rolleyes: :P

timmyb
Sep 6th 2008, 09:26 PM
You ask a honest question, (or so I thought....) I give you a honest answer.... and then you mock me :eek:



Okay...... I'll give you a break :rolleyes: :P

mock you! Now you KNOW that was not my intention at all...:P

Ta-An
Sep 6th 2008, 09:34 PM
mock you! Now you KNOW that was not my intention at all...:PTake your break while you have it..... :D
You are derailing your own thread here :o

:OFFT:

SIG
Sep 6th 2008, 11:13 PM
Uhmmmmm pride in people for their talents and gifting??
Is this what you say??

Maybe a reference to art NOT used for Godly purposes. (And AARON himself was the artist here!)

timmyb--I see the intent of the OP was Godly purposes; sorry. (But then you mentioned ALL artists in Scripture. Hmmmm....)

timmyb
Sep 11th 2008, 10:27 PM
let's narrow the discussion a little...

Godly Artists... those filled with revelation by God...