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gophgetter
Sep 8th 2008, 03:28 AM
Greetings,

I would like to share some things with the group that the Lord has allowed me to see in the word of God. The Lord brought my soul to life on May 1st 1993 when He baptized me with the Holy Ghost. But even though I was a new creature in Christ on that day, I did not immediately fall in love with His word. I went to church, had good fellowship, gave in the offering, but there was still not a hunger for His word like there should have been. I'll never forget the message that my pastor gave one evening when he said that if you don't have a hunger for God's word, then you need to pray to God to stir that desire up in your heart. He went on to say that when you are born again, you are born of God's Spirit. If you are born of God's Spirit, then the Spirit within you should bring to life a desire for God's word. I realized that night that I did not have that desire like I should have. I went home and fell on my knees before God and asked Him to forgive me. I asked Him to give me a burning desire for His word. I picked up my Bible from that day till this and I have fallen in love with His word.

As I have read my Bible over the years, I began to notice that God is an awesome God. He hides little nuggets in His word that excite the inner man and that give people encouragement to keep digging. Here are some things that I have discovered over the years that have strengthened my faith in God's word. You can call these things coincedences if you want to, but I like to call them "God's Signatures".

1. Jesus Christ was 33 years of age when they took him up on a hill and crucified Him. In the book of Numbers the 33rd chapter is the retelling of the 42 times that Israel camped from Egypt to the crossing of Jordan. The 33rd time that they camped, Aaron the high priest went up into a mountain, they stripped him of his garments and He died. Aaron is a type of Christ(John 19:23<->Ex. 39:22-23).

2. In John 19:36&37, ther are two prophecies fulfilled from the Old Testament. John 19:36 comes from Exodus 12:46.

Ex. 12:46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.

John 19:37 comes from Zech. 12:10.

Zech. 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah is the 36th book after Exodus. Both prophecies are in the 12th chapter of each book. If you subtract 10(Zech 12:10) from 46(Ex. 12:46) you come up with 36. Six is the number of man. 6 x 6 is 36. The prophecy of Jesus in Zechariah is the last prophecy that was fulfilled as far as Jesus being the Son of man.

3. Knowing that six is the number of man, notice the following about the New Testament. There are 6 chapters in the New Testament that contain 66 verses or more. They are Matt. 26:66;Matt. 27:66;Mark 14:66;Luke 1:66;Luke 22:66 and John 6:66. Notice that the 6th time is the 6th chapter of John, the 66th verse. It reads as follows.

John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

4. The 6th book in the New Testament is the book of Romans. The 6th chapter of Romans, the 6th verse reads as follows.

Rom. 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

5. There are 66 books in the Bible. If you count the almonds,knops and flowers on the branches of the candlestick in the Tabernacle, you come up wtih the number 66.

6. In the 3rd chapter of Luke, if you count the generations from Noah to Christ it is 66 generations.

7. The word "hour" occurs only 5 times in the Old Testament. The 5th occurence is in the 5th book of the Prophets(Daniel), the 5th chapter, 5th verse. It reads as follows.

Dan. 5:5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

There are 5 fingers on a man's hand.

8. The word "sweat" occurs only 3 times in the entire Bible. The 1st occurence has to do with the curse put on the 1st man Adam(Gen. 3:19). The 2nd has to do with the priesthood that will offciate in the temple that Ezekiel saw in his vision(Ez. 44:18). The 3rd occurence has to do with the last man Adam as he died out to His will(Luke 22:44).

9. The number 4 denotes time or the end of a cycle. There are 4 watches in the night. There are 4 seasons. The sun and the moon were created on the 4th day and they were created for times and seasons. Knowing this, notice what the 4th letter of Paul the 4th chapter, 4th verse says.

Gal. 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

10. The word abomination is used quite extensivley in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, it is only used 6 times. Two times referring to the Abomination of Desolation(Matt. 24:15;Mark 13:14). Two times in Rev. 17 describing the Great %#&@$!(Rev. 17:4&5). Once describing one of the things that will prohibit you from entering in to the Heavenly Jerusalem(Rev. 21:27). These are five of the six occurences. They are descriptions of something or have to do with prophecy. The only place in the New Testament where Jesus used the word "abomination" in His teachings to describe something that was detestable to God is in Luke the 16th chapter. It reads like this.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

11. We are all familiar John 3:16. But have you ever noticed the similarity of John 3:16 and 1 John 3:16?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

12. There are those that would debate with you about whether or not Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. After all, he never put his name at the beginning of the letter as he did with his other letters. Whether or not, Paul wrote the book of Hebrews I do not know for sure. But notice something very peculiar about the book of Romans and the book of Hebrews. In the book of Romans, the word "better" is used only one time(Rom. 3:9). Thirteen books later, in the book of Hebrews, the word "better" is used thirteen times.

13. Along this same line of thought, the 12th chapter of Romans the 1st and 2nd verse says this.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The 12th chapter of Hebrews, the last two verses says this.

Heb. 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

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ariel_jesus237
Sep 8th 2008, 04:13 AM
lol ummm i wouldnt look too into these "peculiarities" given the fact that the original inspired scriptures had no chapter or verse divisions and too many people get carried away trying to find pieces to the puzzle that aren't there.

Sketch
Sep 8th 2008, 04:46 AM
Definitely some wonderful insights. If no one receives them with the excitement in which you discovered them, don't be alarmed. I think these things seem a little bit like pulling at straws. Making puzzle pieces fit together than don't actually fit together. If you can cram a circle into a square and call it a cylinder, and that "cylinder" increases your faith, does that make it a bad thing? Easter Eggs in the bible are a lot of fun to find, but for the regular type of person, these things have a kind of uncertain value since it takes so much mental effort to make it into something it may or may not be.


Keep going!

David Taylor
Sep 8th 2008, 12:23 PM
So what's the point of your presentation of Numerology?

Are you a Bible-Codes guy?

Gentile
Sep 8th 2008, 02:18 PM
Wow, my fascination is how did you find the time to come up with this. I barely have time to tie my shoes, life is so busy.

Personally I think it means nothing at all. I think you are digging to deep into it.

tt1106
Sep 8th 2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks. Good stuff.

gophgetter
Sep 8th 2008, 04:44 PM
In response to all,

I am not a "bible codes" guy.:D However, I do believe in the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures. Believe it or not, I did not set out to dig these things out, they just began to be revealed to me as I read my Bible through. I realize that some of you may think this is much ado about nothing, but for those may think otherwise, I offer this post for the edification of the members of the Body of Christ. For me personally, it has strengthened my faith in the divine ispiration of God's Holy Word, even through the translation process and the addition of chapters and verses. I hope this post blesses others.

Peace:cool:

crawfish
Sep 8th 2008, 05:05 PM
lol ummm i wouldnt look too into these "peculiarities" given the fact that the original inspired scriptures had no chapter or verse divisions and too many people get carried away trying to find pieces to the puzzle that aren't there.

That's a good point. I wonder how much numerology played into the decisions of Nathan/Stephanus when they were deciding how to divide up the verses?

David Taylor
Sep 8th 2008, 07:07 PM
In response to all,

I am not a "bible codes" guy.:D

Neither are all other members here.



However, I do believe in the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.

As do all other members here.



Believe it or not, I did not set out to dig these things out, they just began to be revealed to me as I read my Bible through.

Things being revealed, verses odd-coincidences being noticed?

How are we to discern between the two?

Look, I could tell you that God has revealed to me from His holy inspired word, that since the 6th verse of the first three chapters of Matthew has a proper name within it that starts with "J" (Jesse, Judah, and Jordan), that this is God telling us that the AntiChrist (666) will be named Jesse Judah Jordan, or have three "J"-letter first names.

Who is to say that predictive numerical system is or isn't from God? Why is it's possibility any less feasible than your system?

I sure don't want to wear that mantle, however, in the case that my numerical system is invalid, and it is just an odd numerical coincidence.

Does it seem odd to you that the 'revelations' you were finding are things unique to you, that other Christians throughout the NT era, (and with the OT scriptures) even prior to that, have never wrote about, taught, or presented?





I realize that some of you may think this is much ado about nothing, but for those may think otherwise, I offer this post for the edification of the members of the Body of Christ.

But it really doesn't matter, if it is truth, whether some believe it or some don't. In other words, if it really is truth, and it really is truth from God, then it will be edifying to all members of the Body of Christ, right?

But if it ends up not being truth, but rather just an odd coincidence of numbers based on an interesting formula; then should it be passed along to members of the Body of Christ as if it is truth, knowing that if it is false, it would cause others to stumble?



For me personally, it has strengthened my faith in the divine ispiration of God's Holy Word, even through the translation process and the addition of chapters and verses. I hope this post blesses others.


How could manipulation of chapter and verse numbers strengthen moreso than the actual Words of God themselves, that follow the numbers?

Look, I am not trying to give you a overly hard time here, just trying to step back from this, and look at it from a practical way. For this type of 'revelation' to be true and from God, then it means that God, years and years, sometimes centuries after the scriptures themselves were written; planned for a secret numerical code to be embedded within the labeling of the verses and chapters which wouldn't occur until long after the OT and NT both were completed; and that this secret code was then hidden for thousands of years, until you began to find these revelations.

That's almost tantamount to saying that you're on a similar level of reception of revelations from God via this 'system' as the OT prophets and the NT apostles were in their reception from God of the written text itself.

(If your system is truly truth, and not just odd coincidence)

Also, having a numerical system like this then also leads to all kinds of unverifable subjective disagreements. Who's to say that the next guy's system of manipulating the numbers to be revelations from God isn't true also; and what if yours and his disagree...then who really is speaking the truth from God? What if 5 people have different numerical systems? What if 10 or 100 or 1000?

See where it goes? But if you avoid the numerical systems; and you stick with solely the written word; then all of the members of the Body of Christ are on the same receptive playing field; and we then also leave the reception of Divine Revelations from God to the OT Prophets and the NT Apostles....of which we can all agree where inspired handlers of direct revelation from God.

gophgetter
Sep 9th 2008, 04:04 AM
Greetings Brother David, (I hope you don't mind me calling you brother),

Like I said before, I am not someone who gets caught up in "bible codes". These instances that I have posted are not codes neither are they a numerical system. Like it or not, numbers do have a significant meaning in scripture. The number 7 is God's number of completeness or perfection. The number 6 is the number of man. These numerical principles were in effect in the Old Covenant as well as in the New, long before chapter and verse divisions came along or before the first book of the Bible was ever written. Lighten up brother. You say that you're not trying to be overly hard, but really you are picking to pieces every little statement I make. Is all this really necessary?

Let me set something straight with you. I am not some special person who gets direct revelations from God that nobody gets. There have been numerous books (no pun intended:rofl:) on numbers in scripture. The numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, and others have significant meaning in the Bible. Some of these things I learned sitting in church. The example of the 33rd time that Israel camped stems from what I learned about the 42 times that Israel camped from the time they left Egypt to the time that they crossed over Jordan. There really are 66 counts of flower and fruit on the candlestick in the tabernacle. Here's something that I didn't include in my post. If you take the center candlestick and one side it adds up to 39. If you take the other side, it totals 27. Do you really believe that this is just a coincedence. I, for one, do not.

Peace:2cents:

Alaska
Sep 9th 2008, 04:09 AM
Hey gophgetter,

Thanks for not letting bro David upset you.
Maybe he had a bad day.

Some interesting points you found there. Nothing to dismiss lightly as if its nothing at all.