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Dani' El
Sep 18th 2008, 06:16 AM
My name is Daniel Freeman. I am a Messianic Jewish beliver in Yeshua (Jesus) living in San Francisco. I am warning all of God's elect (how few we are!) living in California to be ready for the flight from the cities of destruction, San Francisco and Los Angeles, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah. The prophecy is Christ's in Luke 17-

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

If you truly are saved and living anywhere between San Diego and San Francisco (the cities on the plain) then be prepared to flee without going back for anything or looking back on the desctruction, and heed the warning of Messiah who said-
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

This could come any day. If you dont think that God judges wicked cities, tell it to New Orleans. When Calif forced the Sodomite marriage laws thru the courts, God quickly sent an early heat wave, followed by a dry lightning storm that kindled hundreds of wildfires in the state. This is just a taste of things to come.

No, it will not be just the "big one". Not an earthquake. It will be old school wrath of God, literally fire and brimstone from heaven. Flaming sulfur from the sky that will consume all and kill many thousands. Fear YHWH and be ready. Rend your hearts and repent of all sin and put your trust in Messiah and you will be delivered from the terrible judgment to come soon.

I ask for you prayers, you have mine always.

All glory to the Father and His Holy One, Messiah Yeshua!

Your brother in Messiah,

Daniel Ben Freeman
Vexed in Sodom, Calif
Babylon the Great

Joe King
Sep 19th 2008, 02:39 AM
Aloha Daniel. Have you had a dream about this? I don't gather how you get California from the scripture. Is it solely because of the homosexual population?

SirTanTee
Sep 19th 2008, 02:43 AM
Oh jiminy cricket good thing I'm moving to Virginia.

Although I have to disagree with you on the wildfire front. I doubt they were a manifestation of God's wrath; the prevalence of sudden, out of control wildfires is a man-made phenomenon. If we allowed forests to burn more regularly and dispose of dead undergrowth, we wouldn't have such rampant fire seasons. That's simply a predictable result of tampering with nature's cycle.

Dani' El
Sep 19th 2008, 03:17 AM
Sirtan,
Thats called "Deism" and is contrary to God's word which says-

Jer 21:14 And I will punish you according to the fruit of your doings, saith Jehovah; and I will kindle a fire in her forest, and it shall devour all that is round about her.

God's sovereign control over the weather is one of the most clearly defined doctrines of the Bible.

Joe, Aloha!
I lived in Hawaii for 3 1/2 years and really loved it there. I'm assuming youre from HI. I lived on the north shore of Maui and then on Hawaii for a while. Volcano Village on the big isle, just a mile or so from the Kilauea Caldera.
Amazing place.

As to SF. The sins of Sodom were not limited to homosexuality. I think you would agree that if most were asked where the modern sodom was they would quickly say "San Francisco".

Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom: pride, fulness of bread, and careless ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before Me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.
But SF has been a hotbed of satanism for a long time. Since the 60s most of the new age filth has flowed from the wicked city. SF is Sodom on steroids, and there is one thing ancient sodom could not do. They blaspheme the name of the Saviour here by preaching wickedness in His Holy Name. I have seen here in the apostate churches, Lesbian pastors offering prayers to allah, and "mother Jesus"! :o no lie. This was never done in ancient sodom since they didnt know His Holy name.

And LA has been the mecca of Satanic evangelism for decades. With movies, music, television idustries that have poisoned the whole world with it's wicked culture. LA is long overdue for judgment.

I did not come to this conclusion by deduction or my own reason. It was revealed to me by YHWH but even before I was called to this work I sensed that things had reached a new level of evil. Before my eyes were opened in Aug 05 I really had no idea or knowledge of prophecy. I was in my sin and minding my own business. I had no idea of what the end times really was. That all changed in an instant in aug 05.

It was only after I was soon arrested, and God delivered me, after destroying New Orleans in retribution for the Gaza expulsion, that I came to understand the judgement of SF and LA per Luke 17. This too came only be revelation from YHWH.

So now I wait. It could come any day. But I see a major signppost up ahead in June of 09. I'll explain that some other time.

A Hui Ho!

Your brother in Messiah,
Daniel

RevLogos
Sep 19th 2008, 04:30 AM
Sirtan,
Thats called "Deism" and is contrary to God's word which says-

Jer 21:14 And I will punish you according to the fruit of your doings, saith Jehovah; and I will kindle a fire in her forest, and it shall devour all that is round about her.

God's sovereign control over the weather is one of the most clearly defined doctrines of the Bible.



I wouldn't call it deism. We live in a fallen world. Natural disasters are part of that. Our foolish mismanagement of the land, and hubris to build cities below sea level, invite even greater calamity.
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
We know this, and all of creation knows this, and all that has the breath of life looks to escape the bondage of corruption upon this earth.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but because of Him who subjected it on hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 And we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.
Perhaps God will rain down fire and brimstone upon certain cities, but not without warning the faithful living there, as was done at Sodom. And when He does lay down His wrath, I guarantee we won't be debating if it was natural or not.

Pray everyone; seek God's will, and do it.

SirTanTee
Sep 19th 2008, 04:41 AM
Sirtan,
Thats called "Deism" and is contrary to God's word.

No, not really. Deism is the belief that God does not interfere with the world's workings, period. I said that in this case, the wildfires weren't necessarily a direct expression of God's wrath, as you claim. If we dump gallons of oil into the ocean, is the resulting massive shortage in healthy fish an expression of God's wrath? If we build our homes on unstable soil that later is swept away in a mud slide, is that an expression of God's wrath? These examples, as with the wildfires, are just simple cause and effect scenarios, and I don't presume to know how God "feels" about the poor choices we make when it comes to dead foliage management in our forests. The wildfires were inevitably going to happen; they are a direct, predictable, natural consequence.

There have been equally notable natural disasters in places all over the country this year. For example, do you hold the same opinion that the June 2008 Midwest floods were also expressions of wrath? I heard Indiana was hit particularly hard, but I wasn't under the impression that it was a haven of sin.

Matthew 5:45 - He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Luke34
Sep 19th 2008, 04:46 AM
Ah, the old "Every single natural disaster is a result of God trying to kill women and children because of gay people" chestnut.

Suffice to say that I find this repellent.

HisLeast
Sep 19th 2008, 05:06 AM
Dani' El

Have you by any chance read the book of Job?

Dani' El
Sep 19th 2008, 06:13 AM
No, not really. Deism is the belief that God does not interfere with the world's workings, period. I said that in this case, the wildfires weren't necessarily a direct expression of God's wrath, as you claim. If we dump gallons of oil into the ocean, is the resulting massive shortage in healthy fish an expression of God's wrath? If we build our homes on unstable soil that later is swept away in a mud slide, is that an expression of God's wrath? These examples, as with the wildfires, are just simple cause and effect scenarios, and I don't presume to know how God "feels" about the poor choices we make when it comes to dead foliage management in our forests. The wildfires were inevitably going to happen; they are a direct, predictable, natural consequence.

There have been equally notable natural disasters in places all over the country this year. For example, do you hold the same opinion that the June 2008 Midwest floods were also expressions of wrath? I heard Indiana was hit particularly hard, but I wasn't under the impression that it was a haven of sin.

Matthew 5:45 - He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Sirtan, All,
There are also varying degrees of Deism, like partial deism, or semi-Deism which is what you may believe in. But this is also contrary to Gods word.

And God is also sovereign over the wicked, giving them over to their own gluttonous consumptions of the resources you mentioned. After all, God did place all that oil, gas, coal etc in the ground against this day, in all the strategic places, again against the day of evil at hand.

The verse you quoted MT 5;45 in context is referring to God's blessings, rain in its seasons, rain as a blessing. God's wrath does not fall on the just.

When 300,000 pagans die in their sins, like in the Tsunami? It is wrath.

But their is also chastening and testing. I would judge that most of what is falling in the US is chastening since considering the destruction, very few have died in these things. And the Bible teaches us that if God does not chasten us, we are not His children but bastards.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

In the book of Job, it shows that God will indeed test and prove us in the extreme even unto death, but this too is not wrath but testing and proving.

And I will repeat, the sins of Calif and ancient Sodom were not limited to sexual perversion. California is the pornography capitol of the world, it has exported its evil in movies, music, TV etc for decades and will be judged. This is not a shot at the sodomites, although they are also commiting great abominations here.

I have had to make this argument over the weather elsewhere and I have gathered some of the verses that declare this. I will post it under a new thread called "God's sovereign control over the Hurricane, and weather"

David Taylor
Sep 19th 2008, 12:08 PM
Daniel,
Neither LA nor California are mentioned specifically in the Scriptures you've listed in your posts, nor anywhere else specifically in the Bible.

Specific wickedness committed by ancient Eurasian and African countries were mentioned, and Generic wickedness by the Nations of the world are mentioned.

Not LA or California specifically. (although there is plenty of weakness there)

IMINXTC
Sep 19th 2008, 12:48 PM
There is a great deal of soul-winning going on in San Francisco, and very many hard-working servants of Christ. I have personally, in the last 30 years seen an uncountable number of individuals, Jew and Gentile, from every concievable walk of life come to Christ and continue to demonstrate that salvation by living Godly, testimonial lives.

Its a ripe harvest. I would not divulge my location or ministry for obvious reasons.

wombat
Sep 19th 2008, 02:08 PM
My name is Daniel Freeman. I am a Messianic Jewish beliver in Yeshua (Jesus) living in San Francisco. I am warning all of God's elect (how few we are!) living in California to be ready for the flight from the cities of destruction, San Francisco and Los Angeles, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah. If you truly are saved and living anywhere between San Diego and San Francisco (the cities on the plain) then be prepared to flee without going back for anything or looking back on the desctruction, and heed the warning of Messiah who said-
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife. This could come any day. When Calif forced the Sodomite marriage laws thru the courts, God quickly sent an early heat wave, followed by a dry lightning storm that kindled hundreds of wildfires in the state. It will be old school wrath of God, literally fire and brimstone from heaven. Flaming sulfur from the sky that will consume all and kill many thousands. I ask for you prayers, you have mine always.
Hello, Dani'El! I have taken much note of the fires in California and their correlation with the marriage laws and the legislation signed by Governor Schwarzennegar regarding inclusiveness of alternative lifestyles in schools, and I do agree that God is using these as a warning to all of us in America. This makes me very sad to say, but America seems to be transforming itself so rapidly into a type of Mystery Babylon with its immorality, greed, pride, false religions, and godlessness, and I honestly believe that all the troubles we are having with hurricanes, fires, floods, droughts, bank failures, etc., are judgments brought to us from the Lord--perhaps attention-grabbers to warn us of even worse things in the future if we don't repent as a nation and turn to Him.

If you are correct about the fire and brimstone from heaven coming soon upon California, I am wondering if a terrorist attack might be what you are suspecting?

I will pray for your safety and for all those true believers who may be in harm's way.

helios
Sep 19th 2008, 06:38 PM
I too am beginning to feel the same way Wombat , so you are not alone..

Rhyfelwr
Sep 19th 2008, 07:25 PM
Its almost impossible to speculate where the end time Soddom and Gamorrah will be. We will know where they are when God sends his warnings to the believers. We can't really know until then.

mattlad22
Sep 19th 2008, 09:24 PM
Its almost impossible to speculate where the end time Soddom and Gamorrah will be.

Your right its "almost" impossible.

The entire world will be be sodom and gamorrah, there is no safe haven.
Even every land will be flattened in the end.
I know people who have accepted the gift of salvation through the Lord look forward to the "end times" but the end times are nothing to look forward to, what comes after the end times is..the real beggining is beyond anything i could concieve, however the reality of it is that the end is going to be so bad in the same sence its almost not possible to understand how utterly catastrophic, humiliating and treacherous its going to be....not going to be fun at all.

So your right SF and L.A are going to be devastated...but so is everywhere else...everyone can flee to wherever they want..but stay strong in the Lord if something happens where you are..be strong...we go with the Lord. alot dont..if a catastrophy happens in your area and you go with it along with X amount of people who havent accepted His gift..then so be it, X amount of people were all given the gift, they chose it not, and keep informing them of His gift until the very end.

So to sum all of it up, Sodom and Gamorrah matter not, the world itself is plenty wicked and at this time we are all denizens of it.

amazzin
Sep 19th 2008, 09:29 PM
My name is Daniel Freeman. I am a Messianic Jewish beliver in Yeshua (Jesus) living in San Francisco. I am warning all of God's elect (how few we are!) living in California to be ready for the flight from the cities of destruction, San Francisco and Los Angeles, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah. The prophecy is Christ's in Luke 17-

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

If you truly are saved and living anywhere between San Diego and San Francisco (the cities on the plain) then be prepared to flee without going back for anything or looking back on the desctruction, and heed the warning of Messiah who said-
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

This could come any day. If you dont think that God judges wicked cities, tell it to New Orleans. When Calif forced the Sodomite marriage laws thru the courts, God quickly sent an early heat wave, followed by a dry lightning storm that kindled hundreds of wildfires in the state. This is just a taste of things to come.

No, it will not be just the "big one". Not an earthquake. It will be old school wrath of God, literally fire and brimstone from heaven. Flaming sulfur from the sky that will consume all and kill many thousands. Fear YHWH and be ready. Rend your hearts and repent of all sin and put your trust in Messiah and you will be delivered from the terrible judgment to come soon.

I ask for you prayers, you have mine always.

All glory to the Father and His Holy One, Messiah Yeshua!

Your brother in Messiah,

Daniel Ben Freeman
Vexed in Sodom, Calif
Babylon the Great

What great encouraging words. I always thought of La, san Fran and New Orleans as wicked immoral cities. You have oened up my eyes and made my mind clear.

Now excuse while I plan atrip to Iraq. They say it is paradise there and everyone must make a journey there

:mad:

Joe King
Sep 19th 2008, 10:54 PM
Las Vegas would be first on my list to destroy.

Jude
Sep 20th 2008, 08:41 AM
http://americansfortruth.com/news/san-francisco-values-on-display-as-open-sex-acts-and-nudity-are-common-at-folson-street-fair.html





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Jude
Sep 20th 2008, 08:46 AM
Las Vegas would be first on my list to destroy.


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Are you sure about that, my choice would be Vatican City :hmm:

Rhyfelwr
Sep 20th 2008, 12:09 PM
Are you sure about that, my choice would be Vatican City :hmm:

Seconded. It has been denying the truth to those who seek it for over a thousand years. What could be more wicked than that?

Jude
Sep 20th 2008, 12:53 PM
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When Jesus spoke about being in their Synagogues he was referring to the papist's which
are no different than the Caesars of Rome. Scotland has suffered her fair share Lad/Lass...


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SeekingWisdom
Sep 20th 2008, 06:01 PM
This is the second time today I've read that something bad was going to happen in LA. The first time was not in a religious context so I'm inclined to believe it.

Especially considering other things were written that have occurred mainly that there was going to be a financial crisis in September 2008. It was written in May or April and the person who wrote it got blasted by people telling him he was a paranoid idiot.

Jude
Sep 20th 2008, 07:55 PM
This is the second time today I've read that something bad was going to happen in LA. The first time was not in a religious context so I'm inclined to believe it.

Especially considering other things were written that have occurred mainly that there was going to be a financial crisis in September 2008. It was written in May or April and the person who wrote it got blasted by people telling him he was a paranoid idiot.


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Reading your sentence
The first time was not in a religious context so I'm inclined to believe it. Please explain :hmm:

SirTanTee
Sep 20th 2008, 07:59 PM
Las Vegas would be first on my list to destroy.

Oh my, Las Vegas is possibly the strangest and most screwed up place on the planet. I stayed there for four days and I felt like my eyes were going to fall out and I was going to shrivel into a prune from the sheer disgusting-ness/capitalism/sensory overload that I felt like I was being beat around the head with. The only thing good there was that there are some very good theater productions available such as Ka from Cirque de Soleil, but that was about it. (Ka was mindblowing, by the way - if anyone is in Las Vegas they should go see it, if only to escape from the city for a couple hours and hide in a nice, dark theater....ahhh.)

HisLeast
Sep 20th 2008, 08:08 PM
Especially considering other things were written that have occurred mainly that there was going to be a financial crisis in September 2008. It was written in May or April and the person who wrote it got blasted by people telling him he was a paranoid idiot.

In may or april it was pretty obvious that the economy was in turmoil. Pretty easy to predict more turmoil from that point.

Could you link us to the specific post?

SeekingWisdom
Sep 20th 2008, 08:14 PM
Reading your sentence Please explain :hmm:

Back March (not April like I said before) someone wrote (on a non-religious forum) that they felt compelled to move out of LA because they knew the city was going down due to his job as a cop. I'm paraphrasing here.

They also wrote that a relative who was in the military called and told him to get out of LA, but he was already gone when he got the call. This person also said that this relative told them a lot of things, some of which he promised never to repeat.

What he did share was 1) get out of LA 2) in September 2008 the economy will crash 3)By Feb '09 the govt will fall 4) the govt is building prison camps for people. 5)Mexico and Canada will merge with the US 6)stock up on food

The response to this was that people called him a crazy fear monger and subsequently the discussion thread was closed. However a new discussion popped back up due to what is going on with the banks and someone said "remember when someone made a post about....."

HisLeast
Sep 20th 2008, 08:17 PM
So... an anonymous tip on a forum by someone who was told by someone else... who won't give reasons why these things are facts, but assures us that they are so?

SeekingWisdom
Sep 20th 2008, 08:24 PM
I don't want it to be true, but since the September prediction did occur I'm not totally going to bury my head in the sand.

I also did find a few articles about prison camps and the upcoming martial law but of course they weren't on CNN or anything.

All I can do now is keep praying. I've actually been praying for God to give us a bit more time to prepare because I've been having a feeling that bad things are going to happen sooner than we expect.

Whether you believe it or not just pray for our country because we need it.

IPet2_9
Sep 20th 2008, 09:36 PM
The only thing good there was that there are some very good theater productions available such as [I]Ka from Cirque de Soleil,

If you want a good "Las Vegas" that has all of the good qualities of LV and none of the bad, check out Branson, Missouri. That's almost exactly how I would describe Branson: a "good" version of Las Vegas. They have a Chinese acrobats act that's a lot like Cirque de Soleil.



I don't want it to be true, but since the September prediction did occur I'm not totally going to bury my head in the sand.

You've got a point there.

Jude
Sep 20th 2008, 09:51 PM
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San Fransisco & LA In Prophecy




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Chondram
Sep 20th 2008, 10:43 PM
No, not really. Deism is the belief that God does not interfere with the world's workings, period. I said that in this case, the wildfires weren't necessarily a direct expression of God's wrath, as you claim. If we dump gallons of oil into the ocean, is the resulting massive shortage in healthy fish an expression of God's wrath? If we build our homes on unstable soil that later is swept away in a mud slide, is that an expression of God's wrath? These examples, as with the wildfires, are just simple cause and effect scenarios, and I don't presume to know how God "feels" about the poor choices we make when it comes to dead foliage management in our forests. The wildfires were inevitably going to happen; they are a direct, predictable, natural consequence.

There have been equally notable natural disasters in places all over the country this year. For example, do you hold the same opinion that the June 2008 Midwest floods were also expressions of wrath? I heard Indiana was hit particularly hard, but I wasn't under the impression that it was a haven of sin.

Matthew 5:45 - He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

I think the "timing" of those wildfires wasn't man made, nor was the lightening which caused them. :saint:

the rookie
Sep 21st 2008, 01:48 PM
Since the OP author has since moved on, I think it's fairly safe (and helpful) to close this thread.