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V34
Sep 23rd 2008, 04:40 PM
I have done some research into this. Are all the things I see true?
Are there really concentration camps in the U.S.A waiting to be filled?
What are your thoughts on this? This is a scary topic for me.

Literalist-Luke
Sep 23rd 2008, 04:47 PM
There is a video about it from Texe Marrs that you can view here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3020455577813028878

Of course, you'll have to make up your own mind how credible Texe Marrs is.

I'm not saying what I think about it one way or the other. I haven't finished watching it to make a decision - I fell asleep! :lol:

Joe King
Sep 23rd 2008, 05:11 PM
I have done some research into this. Are all the things I see true?
Are there really concentration camps in the U.S.A waiting to be filled?
What are your thoughts on this? This is a scary topic for me.

I've read some info on this. I think that the devil's minions are preparing the way for the beast. Whether it happens in our life time is up for debate, although I'm inclined to think yes. The persecution is global, so I'm sure concentration camps will be prevalent everywhere.

lendtay
Sep 23rd 2008, 09:16 PM
I have done some research into this. Are all the things I see true?
Are there really concentration camps in the U.S.A waiting to be filled?
What are your thoughts on this? This is a scary topic for me.

I have not heard of this, but I will check out that link.

paradiseinn
Sep 23rd 2008, 11:41 PM
yea i've seen this.i'd like to think they are for a natural disaster or something.600 of them in the us...i don't know:pray:

IPet2_9
Sep 23rd 2008, 11:46 PM
There's also prisonplanet.com. I remember them bringing up the concentration camps way back during the Clinton years.

You know--if they are there, and they are for natural disasters, then--why weren't they used for Katrina and Ike victims??? We've got them scrambling to find a home, in pretty much every nook and cranny in the South.

paradiseinn
Sep 23rd 2008, 11:55 PM
that's a good point pet

FaithfulSheep
Sep 24th 2008, 12:25 AM
With my internet filter I can't view it... will someone fill me in?

Are these in every state?

Tell me more...

paradiseinn
Sep 24th 2008, 12:27 AM
their are 600 empty prisons run by fema and they are all over the us.

apothanein kerdos
Sep 24th 2008, 01:56 AM
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but...

There's too many illogical conclusions going on here.

1) America is still predominately a Christian nation (though people may not be true Christians, they hold to Christian values)

2) Many of these people are in government positions

3) Many of these people are construction workers

The video presented is about 10-15 years old; are we really to believe that something that old is still reliable? Furthermore, are we to really believe that out of 600 camps not one person would come forward and say, "Hey, I worked on this" or "Hey, I'm maintaining this empty prison"?

The reason we knew about the Holocaust camps being built is because workers were smuggling information out. In a society where information is free (America) wouldn't it be a bit more obvious? There are still ardent Christians on television who would report such things.

Fact is, these are a myth. No one develops camps 20-30 years in advance and then never fills them. In order to get to a point where the government could put people in camps they would have to have an overwhelming majority. The people would first need to be in a ghetto, segregated from society, laws passed against them, and so on. Christians are a long way from being that group (considering we still compose the majority of Americans - at least in claimed beliefs).

This is just wishful thinking on the part of an extreme view of the end times (which is kind of absurd, considering Christians have been tortured around the world and are being tortured now...why is it if American Christians are persecuted it's suddenly the end times?).

RevLogos
Sep 24th 2008, 02:07 AM
I cannot find a web site I would call "objective" on this. They are either right-wing tin hat sites afraid the progressive left will lock up all the Christians, or they are left-wing tin hat sites fearing a neo-con plot to lock up the socialist-progressive-leftists.

If someone can find something objective I'd like to see it.

Best guess (if real) - these are for a real country wide disaster, something no one wants to talk about, such as Al Qaeda being successful at igniting nuclear bombs in 5 to 7 major cities, or an Iranian/Russian EMP attack.

moonglow
Sep 24th 2008, 02:31 AM
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but...

There's too many illogical conclusions going on here.

1) America is still predominately a Christian nation (though people may not be true Christians, they hold to Christian values)

2) Many of these people are in government positions

3) Many of these people are construction workers

The video presented is about 10-15 years old; are we really to believe that something that old is still reliable? Furthermore, are we to really believe that out of 600 camps not one person would come forward and say, "Hey, I worked on this" or "Hey, I'm maintaining this empty prison"?

The reason we knew about the Holocaust camps being built is because workers were smuggling information out. In a society where information is free (America) wouldn't it be a bit more obvious? There are still ardent Christians on television who would report such things.

Fact is, these are a myth. No one develops camps 20-30 years in advance and then never fills them. In order to get to a point where the government could put people in camps they would have to have an overwhelming majority. The people would first need to be in a ghetto, segregated from society, laws passed against them, and so on. Christians are a long way from being that group (considering we still compose the majority of Americans - at least in claimed beliefs).

This is just wishful thinking on the part of an extreme view of the end times (which is kind of absurd, considering Christians have been tortured around the world and are being tortured now...why is it if American Christians are persecuted it's suddenly the end times?).

I agree totally...especially with that last sentence.

I also agree with what Revolvr said too. I wish people wouldn't get so focused on fear on this...the bible tells us God does not give us the spirit of fear...

God bless

HisLeast
Sep 24th 2008, 02:54 AM
Gotta be careful with sites like Prison Planet. Because he sells books, and gets kickbacks from others who sell books via his site, the author has a vested interest in coloring all "facts" toward conspiracy.

IPet2_9
Sep 24th 2008, 03:35 AM
I can make so statement regarding whether there are concentration camps in the U.S.--let alone 600 of them. It does seem a little far-fetched that that many brick-and-mortar buildings could be standing and more people wouldn't have seen them face-to-face.

But I can tell you what I do know:

1) I was driving down a farm road way out in the boondocks, and there was this big green-and-white sign, saying, "Citizen Reclamation Center". Then down the road far off to the right, I could see a big, nondescript building. Now, what in the world is a citizen reclamation center?? I looked it up. Nothing. I assumed it was one of those immigrant detention facilities--now those I *do* know for a fact exist, all over the place.

2) They were saying there were no secret CIA flights out of the U.S., either. But that operation I DID see with my own eyes, out in Smithfield, NC. Aero Contractors, Ltd., were the pilots flying out of the Johnston Cty Airport. I saw the planes, I saw the protesters, I saw the feds threatening to arrest the protesters (which eventually they did). For something that was "not going on", those feds sure cared an awful lot that they were there. Aw, c'mon--what's a few people standing in a ditch with signs gonna hurt?

diffangle
Sep 24th 2008, 03:39 AM
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but...

There's too many illogical conclusions going on here.

1) America is still predominately a Christian nation (though people may not be true Christians, they hold to Christian values)

2) Many of these people are in government positions

3) Many of these people are construction workers

When we forced the Japanese into concentration camps here in the US we were a Christian nation, with Christians in government, and had construction workers build them.


The video presented is about 10-15 years old; are we really to believe that something that old is still reliable?
Rex-84 is real... http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062


Furthermore, are we to really believe that out of 600 camps not one person would come forward and say, "Hey, I worked on this" or "Hey, I'm maintaining this empty prison"?
Maybe that's how we have knowledge of them.


The reason we knew about the Holocaust camps being built is because workers were smuggling information out.
I wonder how many people would hear the info about them and doubt that they could really be true. :hmm:


In a society where information is free (America) wouldn't it be a bit more obvious? There are still ardent Christians on television who would report such things.
The church went along with Hitler during the holocaust, what would be different today? Besides our mainstream media is bought and paid for, but you can get the info elsewhere tho.

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." -John Swinton former Chief of Staff at the New York Times


Fact is, these are a myth. No one develops camps 20-30 years in advance and then never fills them. In order to get to a point where the government could put people in camps they would have to have an overwhelming majority. The people would first need to be in a ghetto, segregated from society,
Like what we might get with the direction our economy is headed?


laws passed against them, and so on.
Like the US Patriot Act?


Christians are a long way from being that group (considering we still compose the majority of Americans - at least in claimed beliefs).
:hmm:

Literalist-Luke
Sep 24th 2008, 03:43 AM
I was driving down a farm road way out in the boondocks.......Where, specifically?

RevLogos
Sep 24th 2008, 03:59 AM
1) I was driving down a farm road way out in the boondocks, and there was this big green-and-white sign, saying, "Citizen Reclamation Center".

Sounds like one of them Soylent Green factories. ;)

moonglow
Sep 24th 2008, 02:27 PM
I googled Citizen Reclamation Center and came up with this:

ED146020 - Recycling: Establishing a Citizen-Sponsored Reclamation Center. (http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED146020&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED146020)

This booklet applies the Clean Community System (CCS) of Keep America Beautiful, Inc. to the development of citizen-sponsored recycling projects. Six initial steps in establishing a reclamation center are given and include information gathering, market analysis, legal requirements, and site location. Suggestions are included for recruiting staff at the center, involving the media, and handling the recyclable materials. There are two appendices to the booklet. One is a sample information sheet that can be duplicated and distributed or used as a media release sheet. The second appendix is a sample contract. A list of resources is also included.

Saw another one for owners to find their pets (probably for those that were separated due to natural disasters) others about water...and on and on...

God bless

IPet2_9
Sep 24th 2008, 02:42 PM
I bet it's the recycling. Probably some farmer did it for all the neighboring farmers.

Joe King
Sep 24th 2008, 09:20 PM
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but...

There's too many illogical conclusions going on here.

1) America is still predominately a Christian nation (though people may not be true Christians, they hold to Christian values)

2) Many of these people are in government positions

3) Many of these people are construction workers

This is just wishful thinking on the part of an extreme view of the end times (which is kind of absurd, considering Christians have been tortured around the world and are being tortured now...why is it if American Christians are persecuted it's suddenly the end times?).


Your points prove why it's plausible that when American Christians are persecuted that it is the end times.

moonglow
Sep 24th 2008, 09:32 PM
Your points prove why it's plausible that when American Christians are persecuted that it is the end times.

Why...is that in the bible? What about other countries where Christians aren't persecuted the same time we are..or not at all?


Sorry I am confused as to why you would say this. I mean seriously in other countries they have gone way past seven years (let alone three and a half) of horrible persecution...yet its not the tribulation unless we in the US are going through it? :confused


God bless

immortality
Sep 24th 2008, 09:41 PM
i have done some "extensive" research in this area as well.

i have concluded that these concentration camps, or "FEMA camps", do in fact exist. apparently there are a plethora in existence, just waiting to be filled with humans.

most likely, these will be used in the upcoming times when martial law is implemented, most likely due to the devastation caused by the next terrorist attack, the upcoming world war (gog-magog), or both.

i have also concluded that the united states government, among others, is aware of the impending natural disasters - possibly a geographical pole shift sometime in the year 2009. so if this is the case, these camps would undoubtedly be used to house citizens who will have to flee from their residence, for the mischievous who decide to loot, etc. indeed, some of these may turn into "prison" camps.

therefore we should not rule out the possibility that extensive abuse of power could occur, should martial law and these FEMA camps be utilized. with such a sinister government apparently forming before our eyes, we should not be surprised if they view god-fearing christians as a threat to their regime.

things are going to take quite a turn in this world very soon my brothers. we need to make sure we are truly saved - that we truly have oil (the holy spirit) in our lamps (bodies), so that we will be ready for whatever happens, whether it's hardships, famine, persecution, or out time to go home.

take care everyone.

Joe King
Sep 24th 2008, 09:51 PM
Why...is that in the bible? What about other countries where Christians aren't persecuted the same time we are..or not at all?


Sorry I am confused as to why you would say this. I mean seriously in other countries they have gone way past seven years (let alone three and a half) of horrible persecution...yet its not the tribulation unless we in the US are going through it? :confused


God bless

When Christians are rounded up and put in cages in a mostly Christian nation, wouldn't that be more than an eye opener?

moonglow
Sep 24th 2008, 10:43 PM
When Christians are rounded up and put in cages in a mostly Christian nation, wouldn't that be more than an eye opener?

I thought it was an eye opener when all the first time brand new Christians were persecuted and killed in horribly vicious ways...all those Christians in the known world in the first century...

Why would they put us in cages? The bible simply says if you refuse to worship the image of the beast you are killed...so why mess with all of that, not too mention the massive expense...

God bless

lendtay
Sep 24th 2008, 10:55 PM
I think even if the US is a Christian nation, that we could still move towards a totalitarian government. That's not desirable, but we can already see evidence of it happening.

IPet2_9
Sep 24th 2008, 11:15 PM
Let's not be too quick to assume that America's downfall is predicated by any theory over the End Times. America turning Nazi, rounding up Christians into concentration camps, etc. could still happen, and the world could keep on turning until 2300AD.

apothanein kerdos
Sep 24th 2008, 11:53 PM
When Christians are rounded up and put in cages in a mostly Christian nation, wouldn't that be more than an eye opener?...or maybe we're all just acting like Chicken Littles, assuming we're going to be rounded up and put in cages.

Also, the US isn't the only predominately Christian nation in this world, so why do we act like we're the last bastion?

Joe King
Sep 25th 2008, 02:51 AM
...or maybe we're all just acting like Chicken Littles, assuming we're going to be rounded up and put in cages.

Also, the US isn't the only predominately Christian nation in this world, so why do we act like we're the last bastion?

Who's acting like that? You don't think the persecution of Christians in ANY Christian nation is an eye opener?? I just used the US as an example. I personally think that the US is Babylon in the End Times and I don't like people assuming that the US is exempt because we are a Christian nation. I think we are the number one nation deserving judgement with our heathen ways joyfully proclaimed by mass media.

I don't know what to tell you other than Jesus is coming back soon and repent.

Roelof
Sep 28th 2008, 05:49 PM
On a different note. During the Boer War (18991902), with the British, 26 000 SA women and children died in British concentration camps due to poor conditions and a lack of medicine. Some of them were my family members.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_war

SeekingWisdom
Sep 28th 2008, 06:09 PM
I think that if tons of Christians disappear seemingly without a trace and you as a Christian find yourself still here, you'll know where they went. Don't think that Jesus has forgotten about you. Just keep that in mind and pray for truth.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

BroRog
Sep 28th 2008, 06:36 PM
...or maybe we're all just acting like Chicken Littles, assuming we're going to be rounded up and put in cages.

Also, the US isn't the only predominately Christian nation in this world, so why do we act like we're the last bastion?

AK, I understand your skepticism, but I think there is a thread of truth to this. Someone already mentioned "REX 84", which is a real government plan to put folks in concentration camps. What conspiracy theorists tend to forget is that the government makes contingency plans for any kind of threat to the United States whether the threat is domestic or foreign. The existence of a plan, doesn't necessarily indicate the actual intentions of the government.

That's on the one hand. On the other hand, many Americans were shocked to find out that the government had done medical experiments on black prisoners without their consent. And along with other attrocities that have been exposed, the citizens of the US are justified in their mistrust of the government.

As I understand it, the REX-84 plan is/was a bone-fide US Government contingency plan intended to deal with a perceived threat to our country from a violent black uprising. REX comes from the Latin for "king", which points back to Martin Luther King Jr. If you recall, after the assassination of Martin Luther King, riots broke out in major cities around the county. Large crowds of black people were seen running through the streets, burning buildings, looting business, attacking innocent bystanders, turning over cars, etc.

The contingency plan anticipated the scenario, feared by many, that the black people of America would escalate the violence to a critical and fatal point. The plan called for the collection and incarceration of all black people into concentration camps in hopes of averting a race war that would devastate the entire nation.

As it turned out, blacks in America chose non-violent protest and worked from within the system to gain the civil rights they deserved. The REX-84 Plan was not needed, and so it was not implemented.

Now, I am speaking about a plan that I have not physically had in my hands. So it would be wise to take my words as hearsay. At the same time, I believed the plan existed because it fit within my own plausibility structure. Those of us who witnessed the Rodney King riots on TV learned about the violent discontent of Black America, and many people witnessed it first hand. Moreover, I was very concerned that the outcome of the OJ Simpson trial was partly due to the fear of another LA riot.

Contingency plans not only address the fears of those who govern, they tend to play into the fears of those being led. But I see no evidence that Evangelical Christians are a threat to the established order. In fact, the current presidential campaign seems to embrace the cause of Evangelicals since they represent a large voting block.

Finally, American Christians have other things to worry about. If we can not get our voices heard over the propaganda being spread throughout the nation, we are in danger of being marginalized, which is worse for the Gospel than being put in prison or put to death.

IPet2_9
Sep 28th 2008, 06:48 PM
So we've got government contingency plans to round up blacks into camps in order to quell violence, hispanics are being rounded up and sent back to Mexico, we're building a border fence to keep them out, Arabs are being racially-profiled for suspect terrorist action, and Jews are God's chosen people and can do no wrong, are automatically singled out for salvation, and deserve their own nation.

I feel better now.

BroRog
Sep 28th 2008, 09:17 PM
So we've got government contingency plans to round up blacks into camps in order to quell violence, hispanics are being rounded up and sent back to Mexico, we're building a border fence to keep them out, Arabs are being racially-profiled for suspect terrorist action, and Jews are God's chosen people and can do no wrong, are automatically singled out for salvation, and deserve their own nation.

I feel better now.

I don't know where sarcasm gets us. It's better to face the facts and deal with them out in the open. And if you have a problem with the fact that the Jews are God's chosen people, take it up with God.

diffangle
Sep 29th 2008, 03:31 AM
So we've got government contingency plans to round up blacks into camps in order to quell violence, hispanics are being rounded up and sent back to Mexico, we're building a border fence to keep them out, Arabs are being racially-profiled for suspect terrorist action, and Jews are God's chosen people and can do no wrong, are automatically singled out for salvation, and deserve their own nation.

I feel better now.
Where in this thread on concentration camps in America are you getting that this is about the nation of Israel? :confused I hope you're not one of those that are hoodwinked into thinking that the Jews are controlling the world. Are you opposed to the nation of Israel? Do you think we Americans deserve our nation?

aceinthehouse
Oct 1st 2008, 09:18 PM
Where in this thread on concentration camps in America are you getting that this is about the nation of Israel? :confused I hope you're not one of those that are hoodwinked into thinking that the Jews are controlling the world. Are you opposed to the nation of Israel? Do you think we Americans deserve our nation?

Somehow...Jews,Israel and Christianity gets blown up as the evil of anything from being late for work to Striking out in the Batters box...

But seriously....This nation is quickly denying Jesus Christ,Iran and many more for the extermination of Israel and just the mockery of Christ is acceptable in todays society as this belief is getting kicked out of our schools,courts and "Kid" Generation!

It's truly just a matter of time my fellow christians!:pray:

Buckle up for the ride!

Dani H
Oct 1st 2008, 09:48 PM
There is a video about it from Texe Marrs that you can view here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3020455577813028878

Of course, you'll have to make up your own mind how credible Texe Marrs is.

I'm not saying what I think about it one way or the other. I haven't finished watching it to make a decision - I fell asleep! :lol:

I read one of Mr. Marrs' books as a new believer. I didn't even make it halfway through before I had to put it down, because something within me just threw up red flags all over the place.

That's just my 2 cents. If you thrive on paranoia, half-baked speculations, and fear tactics, by all means, knock yourself out. :)

Literalist-Luke
Oct 2nd 2008, 03:42 AM
I read one of Mr. Marrs' books as a new believer. I didn't even make it halfway through before I had to put it down, because something within me just threw up red flags all over the place.

That's just my 2 cents. If you thrive on paranoia, half-baked speculations, and fear tactics, by all means, knock yourself out. :)Hey, I never said I agree with Texe Marrs. I was just answering a question. :D

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 04:07 AM
Where in this thread on concentration camps in America are you getting that this is about the nation of Israel? :confused I hope you're not one of those that are hoodwinked into thinking that the Jews are controlling the world. Are you opposed to the nation of Israel? Do you think we Americans deserve our nation?

Just pointing out how America is a very racist nation. Concentration camps for blacks, concentration camps for hispanics, concentration camps for Arabs, internment camps for Japanese, and Jews are God's elite, chosen race. Praise God! Hallelujah!

P.S. As for being opposed to the nation of Israel: it's OT, but yes.

diffangle
Oct 2nd 2008, 04:54 AM
Just pointing out how America is a very racist nation. Concentration camps for blacks, concentration camps for hispanics, concentration camps for Arabs, internment camps for Japanese, and Jews are God's elite, chosen race. Praise God! Hallelujah!

Your statement here isn't racist? Do you not think that the Jews haven't been put in concentration camps before? :hmm:



P.S. As for being opposed to the nation of Israel: it's OT, but yes.

The nation of Israel is also NT, but at least you pointed out that it was a Hebrew nation before it was Arab/Muslim nation. You didn't answer my question to you about whether or not we Americans deserve our nation or not?

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 05:11 AM
Rather than write a long reply, I'm just going to stick by my original statement and point out how racist a nation we remain. Racism is not just limited to discriminating against someone by the color of their skin: when you elevate someone to the level of "God's chosen race", that is every bit as racist as Hitler's Aryan brotherhood and the entire regime that brought about concentration camps in the first place.

So yes, I am fearful of concentration camps in America. Not because there is proof of bricks-and-mortar in far out places, but because we have the mindset, the culture, and the sin to incubate it.

P.S. OT this time stands for "off-topic".

BroRog
Oct 2nd 2008, 05:56 AM
Rather than write a long reply, I'm just going to stick by my original statement and point out how racist a nation we remain. Racism is not just limited to discriminating against someone by the color of their skin: when you elevate someone to the level of "God's chosen race", that is every bit as racist as Hitler's Aryan brotherhood and the entire regime that brought about concentration camps in the first place.

So yes, I am fearful of concentration camps in America. Not because there is proof of bricks-and-mortar in far out places, but because we have the mindset, the culture, and the sin to incubate it.

P.S. OT this time stands for "off-topic".

I think your phrase "when you elevate someone to the level of" gets to the difference between how I am looking at it and how you are looking at it.

In my view, when God refers to the Jews as his chosen race, he isn't elevating them above the rest of us. To be one of God's chosen people, in the Biblical vocabulary, doesn't indicate "preference", "privilege", or "prestige." God chose them from among all the other people groups in the world to serve a special function, to be a unique people, but not to elevate them above the rest of us.

Remember what Paul said about the Spiritual gifts. He argued that the gifts work together and that an 'eye' can't boast against an 'ear', and etc. the body needs all of it's parts and each part should treat another part with respect.

The same is true of the Jews. They aren't better than us and they aren't worse than us. But they do have a special role to play in God's salvation history. As Paul says, God has entrusted them with his oracles. This gave them an advantage over other people with respect to having access to God's word, but that advantage is gone now with the advent of the printing press and scholarly Bible translations. And the Jews were happy to share the oracles with the rest of us.

I don't think it's racism to repeat God's word that he has chosen the Jews for a special purpose, if we bear in mind that having a special purpose in God's drama doesn't make one better, more worthy of love, more noble, of higher rank, of more valuable than anyone else.

Israel made a bunch of mistakes just like we all do. The only difference is that her's are documented. It doesn't make them better, it just makes them more obvious. :)

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 06:22 AM
In my view, when God refers to the Jews as his chosen race, he isn't elevating them above the rest of us.

Sure it is. It implies everybody else is not chosen. That is inherently racist. Master race, chosen race...what's the difference?

BroRog
Oct 2nd 2008, 07:09 AM
Sure it is. It implies everybody else is not chosen. That is inherently racist. Master race, chosen race...what's the difference?

The difference is vast. I tried, in a humorous way, to indicate just how that difference might look in everyday life.

I don't know, maybe the word "chosen", for you, automatically carries with it the idea of preference. If that is the case, then "chosen" isn't a good word to use to describe God's relationship with the descendants of Jacob. When the Bible talks about a "chosen" race, it isn't talking about a "preferred" race.

Maybe this is how we use the word today. Maybe we should adopt another word. But when the Bible refers to the Jews as a chosen people, it isn't saying "The Jews are an exclusive, select, superior people." None of those connotations are part of the Biblical idea of being chosen.

Okay, suppose you are a new, young priest. It's going to be your job to burn incense in a bowl in the worship service. Your job is to take your spoon, scoop out some incense, put it in your bowl, and set it on fire.

But, it just so happens that you are new in town and having found an apartment, you need some bowls and spoons with which to eat your Cheerios. So what do you do?

You go down to the store and buy two bowls and two spoons. One bowl and spoon is for your job; (the company makes you buy your own tools) the other bowl and spoon is for your Cheerios.

There is NO difference between the two bowls or between the two spoons. They are exactly alike in every way. Your choice of which bowl to use for your religion and which bowl to use for your Cheerios is NOT based on any intrinsic quality of the bowl because they are exactly alike. One bowl has a special purpose and the other bowl has a common purpose but the function you assigned to them does not change the fact that your bowls are intrinsically the same.

Likewise, when God uses the Jews for a special purpose, he does so even as a Jew has no intrinsic value beyond or above any other person. God has his reasons for choosing them, but these reasons are not bound up in some unique intrinsic worth of the Jews. We are all equally deserving of love and equally obligated to love others.

Rather than saying that the Jews are God's "chosen" people, which has an offensive connotation the Bible never intended, we might use a different word or group of words instead. We might say something like: the Jews are people whom God assigned to a unique task, which is different than the task he assigned to other people. This makes them special and unique, but not exclusive and/or superior.

To my way of thinking, the Jews are different than the Gentiles in that God has decided to deal with the Jews in an overt manner, as opposed to the rest of us, with whom God deals covertly. God interacts with each of us on a very private and intimate course, but historically, God has interacted with the Jews on a very open, exposed, and public course in which the rest of the entire world can see the interaction.

If God is mad at me, it's a private affair between me and him. But if God is mad at the Jews, it comes out in the open to be recorded in the Bible for all to read and know. If the Jews are elevated at all, its only so that God can use them as a lightning rod for the wrath of the god of the air to strike in his anger so that the rest of us openly see what Satan thinks of God.

Before I wax to poetic, let me go to bed. :)

Hopefully you see what I mean. If not, it's okay. I'm getting used to it.

diffangle
Oct 2nd 2008, 02:15 PM
[quote=IPet2_9;1809226]Rather than write a long reply, I'm just going to stick by my original statement and point out how racist a nation we remain. Racism is not just limited to discriminating against someone by the color of their skin: when you elevate someone to the level of "God's chosen race", that is every bit as racist as Hitler's Aryan brotherhood and the entire regime that brought about concentration camps in the first place.

So it's the Jews fault the holocaust happened? Interesting. Also interesting that you won't address my questions to you. You're right about this being a racist nation, I'm seeing more and more people like you who like to wrongfully blame the Jews for all the worlds woes... scarey.


So yes, I am fearful of concentration camps in America. Not because there is proof of bricks-and-mortar in far out places, but because we have the mindset, the culture, and the sin to incubate it.
Just stay away from those scarey Jews and you'll be okay. :P


Sure it is. It implies everybody else is not chosen. That is inherently racist. Master race, chosen race...what's the difference?
You mentioned OT, where did you get on the topic of the Jews being the chosen race in this thread? :confused

Btw, I really would like to know if you think that we Americans deserve our nation?

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 02:28 PM
You mentioned OT, where did you get on the topic of the Jews being the chosen race in this thread?

What I said is what I said, it's all right there in Post #32. Re-read it if you have to. It's attitudes like this that cause concentration camps.

diffangle
Oct 2nd 2008, 02:38 PM
What I said is what I said, it's all right there in Post #32. Re-read it if you have to. It's attitudes like this that cause concentration camps.
Yes your statement about the Jews in that post had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, you took it off topic with that comment.

1Pet2_9... do you think that we deserve our nation?

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 03:42 PM
Yes your statement about the Jews in that post had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, you took it off topic with that comment.

Sure it does. Treating Jews like an elite race is pure Aryan Brotherhood mentality, and just as racist as saying blacks are thugs and should be hauled into concentration camps. But what bothers me the most is that so many Americans like yourself actually have no problem with that. Sundays mornings are the most segregated time in America. That's the reason why I am concerned about concentration camps in America. I already said that before; I think I was pretty clear the first time.



1Pet2_9... do you think that we deserve our nation?

I've been trying to steer away from the question because it's OT. But if you insist, no, we don't deserve our nation. We ran off the Native Americans and massacred them. They were here first, they were hospitable to us. It was their hospitality that made the Jamestown and Pilgrim settlements possible. It was absolutely wrong what we did. In Canada and Mexico, they learned to co-exist. But what do we do? Round them up into reservations.

diffangle
Oct 2nd 2008, 04:03 PM
[quote=IPet2_9;1809624]Sure it does. Treating Jews like an elite race is pure Aryan Brotherhood mentality,
You do realize that Aryan Brotherhood mentality believes that whites are the superior race... they hate the Jews, so it's strange that you're singling out the Jews as being the racists. No one here has said that the Jews are elite(it's strange that you brought this up in this thread), BroRog explained the word "chosen" pretty well but you refuse to see what he said.


and just as racist as saying blacks are thugs and should be hauled into concentration camps.
I don't believe that the camps are reserved for blacks only.


But what bothers me the most is that so many Americans like yourself actually have no problem with that.
What are you talking about? Where in any of my post or anyone else's posts says that concentration camps are great especially when used for blacks?


Sundays mornings are the most segregated time in America.
Huh?


That's the reason why I am concerned about concentration camps in America. I already said that before; I think I was pretty clear the first time.
Your racism towards the Jewish people is pretty clear.


I've been trying to steer away from the question because it's OT. But if you insist, no, we don't deserve our nation. We ran off the Native Americans and massacred them. They were here first, they were hospitable to us. It was their hospitality that made the Jamestown and Pilgrim settlements possible. It was absolutely wrong what we did. In Canada and Mexico, they learned to co-exist. But what do we do? Round them up into reservations.
Then maybe before you go pointing fingers at Israel and how they shouldn't exist, you should hand your property over to a Native American first. ;)

IPet2_9
Oct 2nd 2008, 08:43 PM
Your racism towards the Jewish people is pretty clear.

That cuts both ways, dude. For reasons I already well explained twice now.

quiet dove
Oct 2nd 2008, 11:46 PM
Ok guys, this is just not going well.