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aceinthehouse
Sep 25th 2008, 04:22 PM
I'm a Christian Conservative and I don't hide that at all...

I also believe that we are VERY near that time in the bible,where Jesus returns to fight the battle of evil on this earth.

I'm not the kind of person that has been saying this since, I was 10 years old either...:o.

But I follow scripture and I also look for the signs as well,that leads me to believe that we are at "the door"(As Jesus said)

I also know that nobody knows when Jesus will return except GOD...

But that we are to look for the signs of his coming for those that have wisdom!:pray:

Some think we are many years or decades away,if they even believe at all,when Jesus returns....But I seem to feel in my heart that we are VERY near...

So if you believe like I do in believing, we are very near the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ and the 7 year "Great Tribulation"...Then it's very plausible that this very well,could be our last American President!

Having said that...This will be our 44th President of the United States and we may very well have many more...

But if you thought as I do,that this will be our last...Would you have an idea who will win this election based on how the world will be, based on Bible prophesy?

(I say this not only with the generation of Isreal becoming a nation,will witness these times,but with the Middle East and the Nuclear proliferation,Russia moving around it's Chess pieces and Islamic Terrorism perhaps on an even bigger planned mass destruction event that may cost the lives of many American or Isreal lives)

This has been tugging at my heart and I will pray for our Country and the Countries that are targets of evil!:pray:

Spend time with your friends and your family, as you should be doing anyways my friends...

...And if you have an idea of who might win this election,what roles could he play in the End Times prophesy?

Thank you and God Bless!

always
Sep 25th 2008, 04:33 PM
I don't believe he would be the last, Obama, but I do believe it he will lead this nation out of the Middle East, I don't have the slightest idea how, I believe he will be elected and re-elected for a second term, and that he will usher in a presidency that will no longer defend Israel.

I agree with you that Jesus is soon to come for HIS church, We are in the last seven year period of Daniels prophecy. I will live my promised 3 score and ten, and I believe be raptured, never to see physical death and that is an exciting feeling

Prophecy Countdown
Sep 25th 2008, 08:44 PM
I'm a Christian Conservative and I don't hide that at all...

I also believe that we are VERY near that time in the bible,where Jesus returns to fight the battle of evil on this earth.

I'm not the kind of person that has been saying this since, I was 10 years old either...:o.

But I follow scripture and I also look for the signs as well,that leads me to believe that we are at "the door"(As Jesus said)

I also know that nobody knows when Jesus will return except GOD...

But that we are to look for the signs of his coming for those that have wisdom!:pray:

Some think we are many years or decades away,if they even believe at all,when Jesus returns....But I seem to feel in my heart that we are VERY near...

So if you believe like I do in believing, we are very near the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ and the 7 year "Great Tribulation"...Then it's very plausible that this very well,could be our last American President!

Having said that...This will be our 44th President of the United States and we may very well have many more...

But if you thought as I do,that this will be our last...Would you have an idea who will win this election based on how the world will be, based on Bible prophesy?

(I say this not only with the generation of Isreal becoming a nation,will witness these times,but with the Middle East and the Nuclear proliferation,Russia moving around it's Chess pieces and Islamic Terrorism perhaps on an even bigger planned mass destruction event that may cost the lives of many American or Isreal lives)

This has been tugging at my heart and I will pray for our Country and the Countries that are targets of evil!:pray:

Spend time with your friends and your family, as you should be doing anyways my friends...

...And if you have an idea of who might win this election,what roles could he play in the End Times prophesy?

Thank you and God Bless!

I have been waiting for this for over 30 years.
Short summery of coming events.
Firstly Iraq, the shorter horn on the ram (Islamic troublemakers) Dan 8: 3 will come up then the higher horn that comes up last namely Iran, will infuriate the West Dan 8: 4.
American/British alliance will attack Iran in Verses 5, 6, 7.
The presidency will come to an end verse 8 ‘horn breaks.’

The battle will be won but not the war America will become financially bankrupt.

In its place ‘four notable ones come up’ Dan 8: 9 but not with the power of the USA. They are the four beasts that rise after the alliance breaks up with the USA/eagle’s wings being plucked off the lion/GB in the overview of Daniel chapter 7: 3 - 7.

The lion will be made to stand alone without his USA/Eagle’s Wings in Daniel 7: then the bear/Russia will rise along with the other two in verses 3 -7. Four all up.
PC:hug:

danield
Sep 26th 2008, 02:40 AM
I like you feel that there are so many things that show that the figs are blooming on our fig tree. However, I am not comfortable saying that this will be our last president. There are several reasons I feel this way. Even with the signs we vividly see there are a few things that have to take place. In order for the AC to rise to power he has to have a clear avenue to manipulate the world under his rule. I can see that the economic manipulation is going to be oil. Oil is the lifeblood of our complex society. Think of how we are affected by its use. If we take that one item out of our daily lives, we would see a huge meltdown of the way we live a modern life. I am not talking about our ability to go on vacations, but a genuine change where people would not be able to eat if we did not have enough fertilizer to increase production in our soils. Transporting those daily staples to your local supermarket would be expensive. Everything we use is somehow touched by oil. A day’s wages everywhere in the world would indeed be a loaf of bread with restrictions placed on oil usage. And the Middle East does not have a full monopoly on oil output yet.

Now this is just the economic side. The AC will also have to have some way of forcing his rule on the population. I fully believe that he will have full access to nuclear weapons for not only imposing his will on others but for defense of his homeland. And I think his homeland will be in the Middle East. Israel has been in conflict with the Middle East since before the time of Christ, and there is no reason to think that that will change any time soon. So it is only natural that the mother of all foes will arise out of that region. Iran is now on a huge stand off with the world on its development of Nuclear energy. I think this is a precursor to that region becoming a member of the nuclear community. So IMO a nuclear armed Middle East still needs to happen.

As Always mentioned, she feels that Obama will be president, and that he will pull out of that region. She may be right, and that is what may need to happen in order to allow the beast to grow teeth. I am not sold that Iran’s president is the AC, so please no speculation on who the AC is, but we all know he is not a very good person. I just think he is setting the stage for someone to come down the road. I also think that if we do pull out that Iraq, it will fall into a civil war and that may be a key factor in fulfilling more prophecies as described in Daniel 11. So it may very well be Obama who does win the election.

As for the many other signs, we can defiantly see how love is growing cold everywhere. And the gospels are really being manipulated to fit just about any lifestyle. We do see the reformation of Israel, but no temple there yet. Also, we have seen a huge increase in technology which has allowed many of the other prophesies to be able to be fulfilled. The gospel is being preached everywhere in the world, yet we can still see how our society is becoming like the people in the days of Noah. It is all lining up just like the Bible teaches us. But one thing we have to remember is that we all have to remain faithful to the lord no matter what we see. His plan is perfect in everyway. We just need to be patient, and love one another, and keep his ways first in our hearts so that when the day of the lord is upon us we can rejoice. And by doing all this we can show the lord how much we love him! So let’s lift our hearts to him and make our heart his home for the Holy Spirit to rule in our life.

God Bless.

NHL Fever
Sep 26th 2008, 02:48 AM
If this is the last president before Christ returns, I can only conclude that Jesus is going for maximum contrast to highlight his glory. :rofl:

Roelof
Sep 26th 2008, 10:25 AM
I'm a Christian Conservative and I don't hide that at all...

I also believe that we are VERY near that time in the bible,where Jesus returns to fight the battle of evil on this earth.



I agree that the Final Tribulation is very near, but Armageddon is at least 8 years away. The US can still have another president before Armageddon.

markedward
Sep 26th 2008, 04:54 PM
But if you thought as I do,that this will be our last...Would you have an idea who will win this election based on how the world will be, based on Bible prophesy?I can't seem to find a single verse in the Bible referencing the last president of the United States. It seems to me that you assume the US is in Bible prophecy and try to read it into eschatalogical passages - rather than drawing it out of the text, you're reading it into it.


The lion will be made to stand alone without his USA/Eagle’s Wings in Daniel 7Just a question for you: do you believe that the four kingdoms of Daniel 7 are related to the four kingdoms of Daniel 2?

Prophecy Countdown
Sep 26th 2008, 09:43 PM
Just a question for you: do you believe that the four kingdoms of Daniel 7 are related to the four kingdoms of Daniel 2?

Yes absolutely for several reasons but for the moment I will keep it short with the following.

1. Daniel 2: 44. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

2. Daniel 7: 3. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. See verses 3 – 7.

3. Daniel 7: 27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28. Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

Thank you for asking me markedward.:hug:

Joe King
Sep 27th 2008, 12:46 AM
If this is the last president before Christ returns, I can only conclude that Jesus is going for maximum contrast to highlight his glory. :rofl:

I don't get it.

resbmc
Oct 2nd 2008, 08:00 PM
If Rev 12 is about the U.S. vs. 1, the women with the moon under her feet, and 12 stars, the U.S. had put 12 men on the moon. Then if McCain wins, he wont be around very long, if Obama wins, there will be another election after this one.

bennie
Oct 2nd 2008, 08:26 PM
Yes absolutely for several reasons but for the moment I will keep it short with the following.

1. Daniel 2: 44. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

2. Daniel 7: 3. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. See verses 3 – 7.

3. Daniel 7: 27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28. Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

Thank you for asking me markedward.:hug:


hi

i am confused. you say that you believe the beasts in dan7 and dan2 are related. i.e. the same beasts? But you still project dan7 into the future. correct me if i am wrong.

bennie

markedward
Oct 2nd 2008, 10:46 PM
Prophecy Countdown,

You say that you agree that the four kingdoms of Daniel 2 are the same as the four kingdoms of Daniel 7... but then how can you claim that the first of these four kingdoms is America/England when Daniel explicitly said that the first kingdom was Nebuchadnezzar (re: his kingdom of Babylon).

How can the first kingdom be both America/England and ancient Babylon?

Hanibal Texter
Oct 4th 2008, 10:23 PM
Well, maybe it's all about prophies to have such an un-godly man elected as President at this time in order to set things in motion. This could be that time with such as Obamha running for the White House. I am just guessing here but it will really help not having a man of faith in Christ in the White house in order for things to go forward.
Just my two cents.

dan
Oct 8th 2008, 12:39 PM
Well, maybe it's all about prophies to have such an un-godly man elected as President at this time in order to set things in motion. This could be that time with such as Obamha running for the White House. I am just guessing here but it will really help not having a man of faith in Christ in the White house in order for things to go forward.
Just my two cents.

But please, just forget about trying to help things along by voting for him.

ROM 3:8 Let us not, "do evil so that good may come", a statement which we are falsely said by some to have made, because such behaviour will have its right punishment. (Bible In Basic English)

Truthinlove
Oct 8th 2008, 05:06 PM
I don't believe he would be the last, Obama, but I do believe it he will lead this nation out of the Middle East, I don't have the slightest idea how, I believe he will be elected and re-elected for a second term, and that he will usher in a presidency that will no longer defend Israel.

Is that a good thing in your opinion? :hmm:

I know from reading other posts of yours that you are a staunch Obama supporter.

Ethnikos
Oct 10th 2008, 08:40 AM
Palin will be it. She is very apocalyptic and will be the person to see the end. It is no mistake, having her as vice-president. We are going to have a civil war in this country and if you are an Obama supporter and flip out when McCain somehow wins, do not go in the street to protest or anything because it is a big trap being set. Just my advice. Keep your head down and after you vote, have food stored up to last two weeks and make sure you do not leave your house after they announce who wins.
Here is why I believe this. Troops are in place to squash the masses with whatever means necessary. Just think about it for a minute. Do you think McCain voters are going to riot if Obama wins? My guess is NO. Would Obama voters riot if they think the election was stolen, because of bogus pre-election polls meant to dishearten Republicans, to not even bother voting? Maybe. So just the fact that troops are ready is enough to make me think it is Palin. Of course McCain will be around for a while to train her in the job, before he steps down.
Here is something I just found on World Net Daily in an article about Corsi's trip to Kenya:


Some pundits in the U.S. already are suggesting that if Obama is not elected, there could be violence. On CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" show, James Carville said, "But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there."

SpokenFor
Oct 10th 2008, 03:52 PM
Palin will be it. She is very apocalyptic and will be the person to see the end. It is no mistake, having her as vice-president. ... Of course McCain will be around for a while to train her in the job, before he steps down.


You are not the only one who thinks this. Frank Rich of the NYTimes wrote an article just this past Sunday about how this is now an Obama vs. Palin race.


She wants to be president, she thinks she can be president, she thinks she will be president. And perhaps soon. She often sounds like someone who sees herself as half-a-heartbeat away from the presidency. Or who is seen that way by her own camp, the hard-right G.O.P. base that never liked McCain anyway and views him as, at best, a White House place holder.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

A lot of Christians like Palin because she is a Christian, but her Dominionist ideas make me nervous.

Ethnikos
Oct 10th 2008, 07:11 PM
A lot of Christians like Palin because she is a Christian, but her Dominionist ideas make me nervous.
I am not trying to endorse her, just saying that she seems to be picked out for some reason beyond just that she is a woman.
I would rather see someone who is independent get in but people are convinced, through the media, that can not happen. So even if the Constitution candidate or Nader were to get a majority, people would just accept the lie that these people do not even exist.

Forgiven Alaskan
Oct 10th 2008, 07:15 PM
I too feel Palin has something to do with the end times, but not in any dominering way as some of you are suggesting.

Ethnikos
Oct 10th 2008, 07:41 PM
If that was the only choice, and I usually do not vote for who I want, but against who I like the least. That has to do with the fact I live in Florida and it looks like the same thing is happening in my state where we can not afford to vote for a third party.
Here is my way of thinking. If things get bad and chaos ensues; you find yourself stuck in a alley and on one end is a mob of people looking for Jesus to get help and on the other end is a mob of people who are looking to get what they need from other people. Which way would you go?
This is really a pessimistic way of looking at things.

White Spider
Oct 10th 2008, 08:57 PM
But if you thought as I do,that this will be our last...Would you have an idea who will win this election based on how the world will be, based on Bible prophesy?

...And if you have an idea of who might win this election,what roles could he play in the End Times prophesy?

Thank you and God Bless!

Well, personally I think the beauty of God's plan is that it doesn't matter, both can and likely will take us into the end times.

I can see Obama and McCain being perfect for fulfilling or helping fulfill things that need to happen.

I personally feel Obama is a little better suited to be the last American President than McCain, but McCain is supported by the Rothschild's so it's a real toss up for me.

It's like watching a baseball game to me, it's currently a tie game . . . the coach is about to make a pitcher change, I don't know who he's going to pick, but when he does pick the pitcher I can basically tell you what will happen.

Right now America is the coach, Obama and McCain are the pitcher change options . . . I don't know who it will be, but once America decides who to put in, I'll basically know the general direction things are going . . .

But again if I was personally picking the closing pitcher, I'd pick Obama.

That's my two cents :2cents:

helios
Oct 11th 2008, 03:01 AM
Well, personally I think the beauty of God's plan is that it doesn't matter, both can and likely will take us into the end times.

I can see Obama and McCain being perfect for fulfilling or helping fulfill things that need to happen.

I personally feel Obama is a little better suited to be the last American President than McCain, but McCain is supported by the Rothschild's so it's a real toss up for me.

It's like watching a baseball game to me, it's currently a tie game . . . the coach is about to make a pitcher change, I don't know who he's going to pick, but when he does pick the pitcher I can basically tell you what will happen.

Right now America is the coach, Obama and McCain are the pitcher change options . . . I don't know who it will be, but once America decides who to put in, I'll basically know the general direction things are going . . .

But again if I was personally picking the closing pitcher, I'd pick Obama.

That's my two cents :2cents:


Who are the Rothschild's and how do they tie into things Whitespider?Thanx

helios
Oct 11th 2008, 03:03 AM
Palin is being attacked and beaten into a pulp by the MSM..While Obama is made of butter and everything just slides right off..The MSM is clearly biased to the left IMO.

Joe King
Oct 11th 2008, 03:16 AM
Palin is being attacked and beaten into a pulp by the MSM..While Obama is made of butter and everything just slides right off..The MSM is clearly biased to the left IMO.

They were even attacking the laying of hands on her by her priest. That angered me.

Ethnikos
Oct 11th 2008, 04:06 AM
Palin is being attacked and beaten into a pulp by the MSM..While Obama is made of butter and everything just slides right off..The MSM is clearly biased to the left IMO.
Lou Dobbs seems to be conservative, usually. I was watching today and they showed a man in the audience at McCain's rally saying, "Obama is an Arab." It cut back to Lou and he said "I can not believe how ignorant these people are." I turned the channel and do not plan to watch his show again. Newscasters who call people ignorant on tv are invariably wrong when they say that. They expect other people watching the show to just take their word for it. It is like a game they play because they know that no one will call them on it because the whole thing is controlled.

White Spider
Oct 11th 2008, 04:35 AM
Who are the Rothschild's and how do they tie into things Whitespider?Thanx

I will try to make a long story short here.

Rothschild and their family line starts in Frankfurt Germany.

Originally their last name was Bauer, but Mayer Bauer changed it to Rothschild which is derived from ("Rot," is German for, "Red," "Schild," is German for, "Sign") in 1760. The significance of the name is that it was changed to coincide with the sign that was placed outside the Bauer family bank, a red hexagon, or red shield.

Rothschild began loaning to countries and his sons followed in his footsteps.

Along with funding and initiating the creation of the Illuminati the Rothschild family line now owns all but a handful or so central banks worldwide.

The Rothschild family and it's branches are considered to be a major driving force in trying to bring about a One World Government in which they basically rule the world. You control all the money in the world, you control the world.

And Lady Rothschild endorsed McCain.

So in first grader words, Rothschild is the family trying to take over the world and them backing McCain matters because he may be a part of their plan for world domination.

There is a lot more to it all than that, and this alone sounds a bit silly, but this is the basics of the Rothschild family.

Edit: This is post 777 for me :pp

InSchoolStudy
Oct 11th 2008, 04:56 AM
If this is the last president before Christ returns, I can only conclude that Jesus is going for maximum contrast to highlight his glory. :rofl:

If this is waht I think it means.... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

also at the same time, I dont encourage racism but, I still laughed.........

unless im on a different track then i feel slightly retarded right now.


Anyways on topic, unlike the rest of the End Times discussion threads, this one doesnt really freak me out, I have peace at mind knowing that Jesus will come and all who mock and rebuke will see the one true God, but I was wondering if you guys believe that we will be raptured before the Anti Christ is here or what ever, Im a Baptist and I have always been told that but I have heard both ways.

from my knowledge it would make sense, as I dont think God would put us through that, not that we dont deserve it. But also if that happened I was wondering if our level of faith would have some better understanding? We are sinners and thats that, with the beast in the world God knows that we fall, anyways, thats a very cool thought that I might never experience the pain of physically dieing, but be raptured to heaven! I cannot fathom how great its going to be, you know its going to be amazing, but on top of that you know its going to be so much more.



Ah I love my Lord :)