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ServantofTruth
Sep 26th 2008, 05:01 PM
I am posting this to help another member, who can remain nameless, or post below. They what to know why the Geneologies don't match. Thank you.




BIG SofTy The forum's Servant of Truth. :pp

David Taylor
Sep 26th 2008, 05:15 PM
Matthew follows Jesus' Kingly (Solomon) lineage (through Joseph son of Jacob);

Luke follows Jesus' Priestly Messianic (Nathan instead of Solomon) lineage(through Mary, daughter of Heli).

RogerW
Sep 26th 2008, 05:35 PM
Matthew follows Jesus' Kingly (Solomon) lineage (through Joseph son of Jacob);

Luke follows Jesus' Priestly Messianic (Nathan instead of Solomon) lineage(through Mary, daughter of Heli).

Greetings David,

I agree, and believe the differing genealogical lines also confirm Jesus' human nature; i.e. the line going back to Adam, as well as His divine or supernatural nature; through Abraham.

Blessings,
Rw

Clay Blucher
Sep 26th 2008, 05:54 PM
The Chronicler is following the historic line of kings (found in the book of Kings) and changing the theological reasoning for the Exile to Babylon.

Matthew is trying to say something about Jesus through the use of 14x3 generations with the emphasis on David the King, the (return from) Exile, and then Christ. As well he specifically mentions individuals to say something about Jesus: David (obviously), but so with Zerubbabel, Eleazar, Sadok, etc; and with the women: Ruth, Tamar, the wife of Urriah. Each name is important once you know what role each person gives to the plan of redemption for God. The height of Israel's history, says Matthew, is seen in light of these people and the events of Davidic kingship and the Exile; and this great moment is Christ.

What is important is to realize just how much Matthew is saying in this genealogy about Jesus and the history of Israel. As well we should remember that we cannot hold Matthew to our current standards of historigraphy. We cannot demand that he give all the exact names in order, because then we miss what he is actually trying to say. We must let Matthew's purpose and intentions shine clearly through the geneology, and not impose our own preconditional misunderstandings upon it.

Emanate
Sep 26th 2008, 06:05 PM
I, that shall remain nameless, will include here my original post.


I would like to see other's opinions about a passage of scripture that has troubled me for years.

Matthew 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

If we compare the preceding genealogy as recorded by Matthew to the same geneaology found in the book of 1 Chronicles, Chapter 3, we find four names have been omitted in Matthew's genealogy.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I thought it might help if I were able to talk it out.


Included is a rough draft of genealogies listed in the differing locations, starting from King David:

Tanak- Brit Chadasha
David- David
Solomon- Solomon
Rehoboam- Roboam
Abia- Abia
Asa- Asa
Jehoshaphat- Josaphat
Joram- Joram
Ahaziah- Ozias
Joash- **********
Amaziah- **********
Azariah- **********
Jotham- Joatham
Ahaz- Achaz
Hezekiah- Ezekias
Manassah- Manasses
Amon- Amon
Josiah- Josias
Jehoiakim- **********
Jeconiah- Jechonias
Salathiel- Salathiel
*Zerubbabel- Zorobabel

*Zerubabbel is the son of Pedaiah, the brother of Salathiel.

Teke
Sep 26th 2008, 07:18 PM
Since Matthew is the regal genealogy some of the names that were left out are the ones blotted out for idolatry.

Here (http://levendwater.org/companion/append99.html) is a link that may help you. See comments at the bottom on those names. :)

keck553
Sep 26th 2008, 08:02 PM
Cool thread. I thank the OP for starting it. I have no comments because I haven't studied this, but I appreciate the posts, they will really be an aid when I study them.

Bless you all.

petepet
Sep 26th 2008, 09:57 PM
Since Matthew is the regal genealogy some of the names that were left out are the ones blotted out for idolatry.

Here (http://levendwater.org/companion/append99.html) is a link that may help you. See comments at the bottom on those names. :)

While I agree that the names were probably omitted because they were 'ungodly' kings, we must also bear in mind, as I am sure you are aware, that it was quite a normal procedure to leave names out of genealogies, especially when numbering was involved. Here there was the deliberate intention of having three fourteens (or six sevens) in order to indicate the divine perfection of the line..

Teke
Sep 26th 2008, 10:58 PM
While I agree that the names were probably omitted because they were 'ungodly' kings, we must also bear in mind, as I am sure you are aware, that it was quite a normal procedure to leave names out of genealogies, especially when numbering was involved. Here there was the deliberate intention of having three fourteens (or six sevens) in order to indicate the divine perfection of the line..

I agree. The Hebrew language original developed from numbers.
I also find that an answer is usually in scripture if you dig around enough.;)

1of7000
Sep 27th 2008, 05:28 AM
I thought Jewish heritage was determined through the mother. so for Jesus to be king Matthew would have to be Mary's line.

Emanate
Sep 29th 2008, 03:07 PM
I thought Jewish heritage was determined through the mother. so for Jesus to be king Matthew would have to be Mary's line.


In Judaism, lineage was changed from the father to the mother during the times of the crusades and pogroms. The reason being rape. In this cases the Rabbis determined that the lineage be traced to the mother for means of maintaining Jewish heritage for children born in the case of the aforementioned.

1of7000
Sep 30th 2008, 07:10 AM
In Judaism, lineage was changed from the father to the mother during the times of the crusades and pogroms. The reason being rape. In this cases the Rabbis determined that the lineage be traced to the mother for means of maintaining Jewish heritage for children born in the case of the aforementioned.

the information i've read said that the shift was instituted at the return of the babylonian captivity,(ezra-nehemiah), probably for the same reason,you can always know who the mother is.