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Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 12:57 PM
Who was one of the first to have the Gospel of Christ preached to them?

Thanks

Firstfruits

Kahtar
Sep 29th 2008, 01:22 PM
Adam....................................

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 01:24 PM
Mary, the mother of Jesus. The statements of the angel to her about her future son was basically a sermon of the Gospel.

valleybldr
Sep 29th 2008, 01:24 PM
Adam.................................... I second that! todd

karenoka27
Sep 29th 2008, 01:27 PM
I third it!.............

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 01:48 PM
Adam....................................

Although the following was about Jesus but was it the Gospel?

Gen 3:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 01:50 PM
Mary, the mother of Jesus. The statements of the angel to her about her future son was basically a sermon of the Gospel.

It is agreed that Mary had recieved the Gospel but why do you believe she was the first.

Firstfruits

Kahtar
Sep 29th 2008, 02:01 PM
Although the following was about Jesus but was it the Gospel?

Gen 3:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Firstfruits


'it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
The Seed of the Woman crushing the head (power) of the devil speaks of what He did for us, and the seed of the serpent bruising his heel speaks of the crucifixion. It's all pretty well summed up right there.
But then you add this to it:
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (Genesis 3:21 KJV)
All in all, Adam had a fairly good understanding, I believe, that a son, born of a virgin, would come and die in the place of man to take away sin.

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 02:39 PM
It is agreed that Mary had recieved the Gospel but why do you believe she was the first.

Firstfruits
Just like I said, it was explained to her what Jesus was going to be. It does not talk about how he would die but it does say some important things concerning what was the main mission, bringing in the Kingdom of God.

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 02:44 PM
'it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.'
The Seed of the Woman crushing the head (power) of the devil speaks of what He did for us, and the seed of the serpent bruising his heel speaks of the crucifixion. It's all pretty well summed up right there.
But then you add this to it:
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (Genesis 3:21 KJV)
All in all, Adam had a fairly good understanding, I believe, that a son, born of a virgin, would come and die in the place of man to take away sin.

Thanks Kahtar,

All understood, however I hope the following helps with the question I asked.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

God bless you.

Firstfruits

valleybldr
Sep 29th 2008, 03:14 PM
Thanks Kahtar,

All understood, however I hope the following helps with the question I asked.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

God bless you.

Firstfruits The gospel was, is and will always be the restoration of Gan Eden (the never ending Kingdom) to the entire earth and all peoples. todd

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 03:17 PM
The gospel was, is and will always be the restoration of Gan Eden (the never ending Kingdom) to the entire earth and all peoples. todd

Thanks Todd,

God bless you.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 03:22 PM
Just like I said, it was explained to her what Jesus was going to be. It does not talk about how he would die but it does say some important things concerning what was the main mission, bringing in the Kingdom of God.

Thanks Ethnikos,

With what paul said about the Gospel being preached to Abraham would you agree that Mary was not one of the first?

Thanks

Firstfruits

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 03:25 PM
I hope the following helps with the question I asked.
Firstfruits
I do not think Mary would have understood what the angel was telling her unless components of it were made known beforehand.

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 03:30 PM
Thanks Ethnikos,

With what paul said about the Gospel being preached to Abraham would you agree that Mary was not one of the first?

Thanks

Firstfruits
She kept the things that the angel told her in her heart.
The first chapter of John describes when it was revealed to the general public:

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 03:42 PM
She kept the things that the angel told her in her heart.
The first chapter of John describes when it was revealed to the general public:

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Thank you Ethnikos,

God bless you.

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 04:09 PM
I agree the Gospel encoompasses God's plan to restore the Gan-Eden relationship between Him and man. God told this to Adam.

Mograce2U
Sep 29th 2008, 04:15 PM
Thanks Kahtar,

All understood, however I hope the following helps with the question I asked.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

God bless you.

FirstfruitsThe difference in the preaching of the gospel is to whom was it preached beforehand and to whom was it preached after it came about. The NT preaching was that Christ had come.

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 04:58 PM
The difference in the preaching of the gospel is to whom was it preached beforehand and to whom was it preached after it came about. The NT preaching was that Christ had come.

And therefore the preaching of Christ in the OT was the prophecy of his coming.

Thanks Mograce,

God bless you

Firstfruits

threebigrocks
Sep 29th 2008, 05:02 PM
The gospel was, is and will always be the restoration of Gan Eden (the never ending Kingdom) to the entire earth and all peoples. todd

I thought it was the hope and love of Christ who gave us grace as a gift so we too can be raised incorruptable with Him at the time of judgment and be spared being seperated from Him for eternity as adopted sons and daughters of the Father?

valleybldr
Sep 29th 2008, 05:49 PM
I thought it was the hope and love of Christ who gave us grace as a gift so we too can be raised incorruptable with Him at the time of judgment and be spared being seperated from Him for eternity as adopted sons and daughters of the Father? Maybe you could try to explain what you see to be the difference between my statement and yours because there isn't any. todd

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 05:55 PM
Maybe you could try to explain what you see to be the difference between my statement and yours because there isn't any. todd

That's always been my understanding, that restoration of a proper relationship with God is His plan.

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 06:29 PM
That's always been my understanding, that restoration of a proper relationship with God is His plan.

With regards to the OP, that is the Gospel that God preached to Abraham, which as we know that plan was complete in the NT when Jesus died on the cross.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 06:35 PM
With regards to the OP, that is the Gospel that God preached to Abraham, which as we know that plan was complete in the NT when Jesus died on the cross.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

Is God really finished with His plan? Don't you think the fullness of restoration is when Yeshua comes back as reigning King, when we can be with Him just like Adam was, in all manifestations?

Emanate
Sep 29th 2008, 06:36 PM
Sorry, I cant fight the feeling anymore.

Whats on first, Who is on second.

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 06:43 PM
Sorry, I cant fight the feeling anymore.

Whats on first, Who is on second.

He's on third.......

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 07:02 PM
Is God really finished with His plan? Don't you think the fullness of restoration is when Yeshua comes back as reigning King, when we can be with Him just like Adam was, in all manifestations?

Has what God promised Abraham not been fulfilled? Are all that believe in Christ blessed?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 07:12 PM
Has what God promised Abraham not been fulfilled? Are all that believe in Christ blessed?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

Do Abraham's descendents have the land God promised them?

Mograce2U
Sep 29th 2008, 07:24 PM
Do Abraham's descendents have the land God promised them?Nope, it belongs to Jesus now and will not pass to any other except thru His hands. (Isa 65:9)

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 07:35 PM
Do Abraham's descendents have the land God promised them?

What is the Gospel of Christ that we preach?

Mk 13:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=13&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mk 14:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mk 16:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Lk 4:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Is this in agreement with What Paul said that God preached to Abraham concerning Jesus?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

Emanate
Sep 29th 2008, 07:39 PM
What is the Gospel of Christ that we preach?

Mk 13:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=13&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mk 14:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mk 16:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Lk 4:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=42&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Is this in agreement with What Paul said that God preached to Abraham concerning Jesus?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

I love the continuity

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 07:48 PM
Nope, it belongs to Jesus now and will not pass to any other except thru His hands. (Isa 65:9)

#1. Meaningless. It always belonged to Jesus.
#2. God doesn't break His promises, doesn't matter what we do or don't do.

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 07:59 PM
I love the continuity

Thanks Emanate,

I hope it is not out of place.

Firstfruits

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 08:01 PM
Has what God promised Abraham not been fulfilled? Are all that believe in Christ blessed?
Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Firstfruits
In acts 3, you find something very similar being said by Peter:



25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
This second half of verse 26 seems to be a catch. I mean it offers this great thing and then you have a condition. It is also in the verses preceding this. Repent and have your sins blotted out, then Jesus will return and then things will be restored. Great! Is that all?

Firstfruits
Sep 29th 2008, 08:12 PM
In acts 3, you find something very similar being said by Peter:

This second half of verse 26 seems to be a catch. I mean it offers this great thing and then you have a condition. It is also in the verses preceding this. Repent and have your sins blotted out, then Jesus will return and then things will be restored. Great! Is that all?

Thanks Ethnikos,

Is what God promised to Abraham concerning Jesus according to what we believe today? If so then we are truly blessed and have an eternal hope.

God bless you.

Firstfruits

Ethnikos
Sep 29th 2008, 09:12 PM
Thanks Ethnikos,
Is what God promised to Abraham concerning Jesus according to what we believe today? If so then we are truly blessed and have an eternal hope.
God bless you.
Firstfruits
I really have no idea. Sorry about that. I think there may be a principle of progressive revelation at work here. I am not sure if that is a true concept but it is a de facto thing, if that is how you could describe it. What I mean is that Abraham knew a lot more than what we know that Abraham knew. Same thing with Adam. For all we know, Adam could have known all about the plan of salvation but what we know today about that he knew is something about animal sacrifices.

Sold Out
Sep 29th 2008, 09:49 PM
The gospel was, is and will always be the restoration of Gan Eden (the never ending Kingdom) to the entire earth and all peoples. todd

The Gospel is not the restoration of Eden or universal salvation. Paul defines the Gospel in I Corinthians 15;1-4:

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

The saving Gospel is the DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, plus nothing, minus nothing.

Sold Out
Sep 29th 2008, 09:56 PM
Thanks Ethnikos,

Is what God promised to Abraham concerning Jesus according to what we believe today? If so then we are truly blessed and have an eternal hope.

God bless you.

Firstfruits


"And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you."
Genesis 22:5

This word (come) is plural in number and literally means, “we will come again to you.” God promised Abraham in Genesis 21:12 that his son Isaac would bring forth the Messiah. Therefore Abraham’s belief that his son would return with him from the dead stemmed from his partial understanding of the resurrection. Like David (Psa 2:7 & 16:9-10), Job (Job 19:25-26), Isaiah (Isa 53:10 & 55:3), Jonah (Jonah 1:17), and other O. T. prophets, Abraham may not have known every detail concerning the Gospel of Christ (I Pet 1:10,12), but he certainly understood enough of it to be saved (Jn 8:56, Heb 11:17-19, I Cor 15:49-54, Rom 4:1-5 and Gal 3:6-8).

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 10:04 PM
The Gospel is not the restoration of Eden or universal salvation. Paul defines the Gospel in I Corinthians 15;1-4:

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

The saving Gospel is the DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, plus nothing, minus nothing.



I have no idea what 'universal salvation; is, but still - I think you may be missing the forest by focusing on a tree. These events give us a mediator, but without the intent - the path to a holy relationship with God, Yeshua made for us, there is nothing.

keck553
Sep 29th 2008, 10:09 PM
"And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you."

Genesis 22:5

This word (come) is plural in number and literally means, “we will come again to you.” God promised Abraham in Genesis 21:12 that his son Isaac would bring forth the Messiah. Therefore Abraham’s belief that his son would return with him from the dead stemmed from his partial understanding of the resurrection. Like David (Psa 2:7 & 16:9-10), Job (Job 19:25-26), Isaiah (Isa 53:10 & 55:3), Jonah (Jonah 1:17), and other O. T. prophets, Abraham may not have known every detail concerning the Gospel of Christ (I Pet 1:10,12), but he certainly understood enough of it to be saved (Jn 8:56, Heb 11:17-19, I Cor 15:49-54, Rom 4:1-5 and Gal 3:6-8).

There's more promises. Keep going.

valleybldr
Sep 30th 2008, 12:49 AM
The Gospel is not the restoration of Eden or universal salvation.
No one said anything about universal salvation. The restoration of Eden is a fundamental concept within Jewish thought and of course that restoration requires our Messiah. The establishment of the Kingdom of God is the gospel as per Mark 1:14. The King was made manifest.

If you put together all the things the bible calls the gospel you will have a pretty good list, but it's all a part of the restoration of Eden as described at the end of the book of Revelation. The whole plan of salvation comes full circle from the start described in Genesis. todd

threebigrocks
Sep 30th 2008, 03:18 AM
No one said anything about universal salvation. The restoration of Eden is a fundamental concept within Jewish thought and of course that restoration requires our Messiah. The establishment of the Kingdom of God is the gospel as per Mark 1:14. The King was made manifest.

If you put together all the things the bible calls the gospel you will have a pretty good list, but it's all a part of the restoration of Eden as described at the end of the book of Revelation. The whole plan of salvation comes full circle from the start described in Genesis. todd

Nothing that we encounter in eternity will be anything like anything that has ever been. This earth will not exist.

How in the world does Mark 1:14 establish the kingdom if our hope is in our resurrection? Christ was not manifested until His ascension, His resurrection into heaven. That was His fullness, Him in all His glory.

Mograce2U
Sep 30th 2008, 03:39 AM
No one said anything about universal salvation. The restoration of Eden is a fundamental concept within Jewish thought and of course that restoration requires our Messiah. The establishment of the Kingdom of God is the gospel as per Mark 1:14. The King was made manifest.

If you put together all the things the bible calls the gospel you will have a pretty good list, but it's all a part of the restoration of Eden as described at the end of the book of Revelation. The whole plan of salvation comes full circle from the start described in Genesis. toddThe difference between Jewish thought and Christian, concerns the nature of this kingdom in which we hope. For the Jew it was earthly and physical rather than earthly and spiritual. The restoration of Eden is not something the world at large is going to enjoy - which is the Jewish idea of the kingdom. That was the mistake they make in the 1st century and we ought not to make the same mistake near the end. Eden is already present and available for those who have been regenerated in the spiritual sense. And when they have exited this world and left it behind they will know it in its fullness. This world as we know it now, is not our home. Which puts a major difference in what our hope in Christ is about now that these things have been made known to us. Yet Abraham knew this, but Israel today does not.

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 08:04 AM
"And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you."

Genesis 22:5

This word (come) is plural in number and literally means, “we will come again to you.” God promised Abraham in Genesis 21:12 that his son Isaac would bring forth the Messiah. Therefore Abraham’s belief that his son would return with him from the dead stemmed from his partial understanding of the resurrection. Like David (Psa 2:7 & 16:9-10), Job (Job 19:25-26), Isaiah (Isa 53:10 & 55:3), Jonah (Jonah 1:17), and other O. T. prophets, Abraham may not have known every detail concerning the Gospel of Christ (I Pet 1:10,12), but he certainly understood enough of it to be saved (Jn 8:56, Heb 11:17-19, I Cor 15:49-54, Rom 4:1-5 and Gal 3:6-8).

Thanks Sold Out,

And it is that same Gospel by which we are saved.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 08:42 AM
There's more promises. Keep going.

With regards to the Gospel, what are the promises according to what is written?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

valleybldr
Sep 30th 2008, 09:23 AM
Eden is already present and available for those who have been regenerated in the spiritual sense.
It's not an either/or. Many of us acknowledge the prolific testimony of the Prophets and other biblical writers that a physical restoration is also fundamental to our Lord's "healing of the nations." todd

valleybldr
Sep 30th 2008, 09:32 AM
Nothing that we encounter in eternity will be anything like anything that has ever been. This earth will not exist.

I've read about the "new heavens and new earth" but please give me the Scriptural backing for this "no earth" teaching. todd

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 12:01 PM
I've read about the "new heavens and new earth" but please give me the Scriptural backing for this "no earth" teaching. todd


I believe the following contains your answer regarding this present earth.

2 Pet 3:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Pet 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Pet 3:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Hope that helps.

Firstfruits

valleybldr
Sep 30th 2008, 12:19 PM
I believe the following contains your answer regarding this present earth.

2 Pet 3:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Pet 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Pet 3:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Hope that helps.

Firstfruits
Correct, a "new earth" not "no earth." All the Scriptures relating, put together, speak of a "new earth." todd

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 12:29 PM
Correct, a "new earth" not "no earth." All the Scriptures relating, put together, speak of a "new earth." todd

According to the following he does say this earth will not exist.

Originally Posted by threebigrocks http://bibleforums.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1806301#post1806301)
Nothing that we encounter in eternity will be anything like anything that has ever been. This earth will not exist.


Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 02:15 PM
Saved by the Gospel of Christ, as promised to Abraham.

Rom 1:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Eph 1:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=49&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1 Pet 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=60&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

God bless you.

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 03:15 PM
With regards to the Gospel, what are the promises according to what is written?

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Firstfruits

Are you making that statement with the implication God changed His mind about something?

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 03:16 PM
I've read about the "new heavens and new earth" but please give me the Scriptural backing for this "no earth" teaching. todd

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I think three big rocks meant 'this' earth, as in it's present state of decay.

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 03:22 PM
The difference between Jewish thought and Christian, concerns the nature of this kingdom in which we hope. For the Jew it was earthly and physical rather than earthly and spiritual. The restoration of Eden is not something the world at large is going to enjoy - which is the Jewish idea of the kingdom. That was the mistake they make in the 1st century and we ought not to make the same mistake near the end. Eden is already present and available for those who have been regenerated in the spiritual sense. And when they have exited this world and left it behind they will know it in its fullness. This world as we know it now, is not our home. Which puts a major difference in what our hope in Christ is about now that these things have been made known to us. Yet Abraham knew this, but Israel today does not.

I would suggest to anyone who wants to spend eternity with Jesus get a good map of Jerusalem. The Bible states there will be a New Earth, and we will dwell here, and Messiah will rule from Jerusalem. This isn't 'Jewish thought', it's God's Word.

The difference between Jewish thought and 'Christian' thought is that God raised the nation of Israel under His wiing, while pagan gods, humanism, Plato and Socretes raised the nations.

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 03:31 PM
Are you making that statement with the implication God changed His mind about something?

Hi Keck,

As stated, I am just asking what the promises are according to the Gospel of Christ, that we have recieved.

Gal 3:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying,In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gen 12:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=12&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Thanks

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 03:45 PM
The promise of the Good News is life. :)

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 03:51 PM
The promise of the Good News is life. :)

What therefore must we do to obtain "life"?

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 03:57 PM
Joh 1:12 But to as many as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God,


The Greek word for 'receive' is 'lambano'. It means more than just hearing:


to take
to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
to take up a thing to be carried
to take upon one's self

to take in order to carry away
without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away

to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own
to claim, procure, for one's self 1c

to associate with one's self as companion, attendant
of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend
to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud
to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self
catch at, reach after, strive to obtain
to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute)

to take
to admit, receive
to receive what is offered
not to refuse or reject
to receive a person, give him access to one's self, 1d


to regard any one's power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something
to take, to choose, select
to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience

to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 06:27 PM
Joh 1:12 But to as many as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God,


The Greek word for 'receive' is 'lambano'. It means more than just hearing:


to take
to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
to take up a thing to be carried
to take upon one's self

to take in order to carry away
without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away

to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own
to claim, procure, for one's self 1c

to associate with one's self as companion, attendant
of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend
to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud
to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self
catch at, reach after, strive to obtain
to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute)

to take
to admit, receive
to receive what is offered
not to refuse or reject
to receive a person, give him access to one's self, 1d


to regard any one's power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something
to take, to choose, select
to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience

to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back


Thank very much Keck,

I believe the following scripture affirms what you have said.

Jn 6:51 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=51) I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jn 6:52 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=52) The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

Jn 6:53 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=53) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Jn 6:54 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=54) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:55 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Jn 6:56 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=56) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Jn 6:57 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=57) As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Jn 6:58 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=58) This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Thanks again.

Firstfruits

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 06:33 PM
I'm just humbled and gratified He chose and blessed me.

Firstfruits
Sep 30th 2008, 06:48 PM
I'm just humbled and gratified He chose and blessed me.

I second that,

God bless you.

Firstfruits

Sold Out
Sep 30th 2008, 07:29 PM
The establishment of the Kingdom of God is the gospel as per Mark 1:14. The King was made manifest.

If you put together all the things the bible calls the gospel you will have a pretty good list, but it's all a part of the restoration of Eden as described at the end of the book of Revelation. The whole plan of salvation comes full circle from the start described in Genesis. todd

I have to disagree with you. Paul CLEARLY defined the saving Gospel in I Corinthians 15:1-4. Romans 1:16 says only the Gospel saves.

Maybe we use the term 'gospel' too loosely. The word actually means 'good news', and is used to describe the first 4 books of the New Testament. Many, many Christians confuse that with what the Gospel really is.

Question: You say one way to define the Gospel is the restoration of Eden. Did the restoration of Eden die for your sins? No, so that isn't the Gospel. It certainly is good news, but it is not the Gospel of Christ that saves souls.

Mograce2U
Sep 30th 2008, 07:59 PM
Correct, a "new earth" not "no earth." All the Scriptures relating, put together, speak of a "new earth." toddA new heaven, a new earth, and a new man God has prepared to dwell in it. When the Tree of Life heals a man - the whole man is made right with God. On this earthly side we see the spiritual aspect of this only. It is not a world discerned with our 5 senses.

The full revelation of that spiritual world which is the source of the truth we have about it, will no doubt appear quite differently when we are there. But even now there is a new heaven spiritually ruling over us and a new earth where heavenly blessing comes to us; even though there is a curse here that remains upon the others. It seems to me that the spiritual revelation we have been given ought to be what defines what our hope in the afterlife is about, rather than those physical things which we can see now. Because though the spiritual kingdom has come to us here, we will not enter into its fullness there - in this flesh. Therefore nobody still living on this side will ever see any of us again - unless they too have been justified in Christ so they can be transformed at death.

Jewish thought, as I understand it, is that it is this physical life & world that is the one that lasts forever. If that were the case then why is death needed to get us out of here - just to bring us back? Eden did not disappear, rather its entrance was barred to us because of sin. That is the place where Adam was able to dwell in God's presence. Seems to me that place is also where Jesus is dwelling now. A realm which we call heaven/paradise. A dimension in which we can only access now thru the Spirit until such time as we receive our new spiritual body when this one has died.

Here we "see" that healing waters flow from the throne of God into this world to heal the nations. Here we "eat" from the Tree of Life thru the body & blood of Christ who died for us. But these things have their actual Source in heaven. And it is thru these things that we will find our way back to Eden and an entrance will be granted to us. Nobody else however can get thru that gate, because the bottomless pit of the grave is what remains on this side keeping it shut. For unless the Lord first enters in thru the door in our heart to give us the gift of His Life, the door no man can open or shut will remain closed forever.

keck553
Sep 30th 2008, 09:58 PM
Well described. Trees have a significat role, I can't wait to see them in their former glory and praise their Creator! Although

I think we should take this very seriously:

Mat 7:21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Mat 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

I think we should be very careful to with our religious traditions and defining 'lawlessness', and keep our human interpretations out of it.

Firstfruits
Oct 1st 2008, 07:47 AM
Well described. Trees have a significat role, I can't wait to see them in their former glory and praise their Creator! Although

I think we should take this very seriously:

Mat 7:21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Mat 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

I think we should be very careful to with our religious traditions and defining 'lawlessness', and keep our human interpretations out of it.

I agree, we should ensure that we are endevouring to live our lives in righteousness unto God.

Rom 6:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

God bless you.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Oct 1st 2008, 03:20 PM
I am not ashamed of the Gospel!!!

Rom 1:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 1:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

God bless you.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Oct 1st 2008, 07:08 PM
Thank God for His everlasting Gospel by which we are saved.

Rom 16:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

God bless you.

Firstfruits

keck553
Oct 1st 2008, 07:28 PM
Thank God for His everlasting Gospel by which we are saved.

Rom 16:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

God bless you.

Firstfruits

That's the plan. let's not throw our wrenches in it.

Firstfruits
Oct 1st 2008, 07:36 PM
That's the plan. let's not throw our wrenches in it.

Amen!

Firstfruits

joztok
Oct 2nd 2008, 03:31 PM
Although the following was about Jesus but was it the Gospel?

Gen 3:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Firstfruits

They beheld God and in their nakedness killed a beast and clothed them in spite of their wickedness. You don't think he was crying over them as he clothed them and as they grew more and more ashamed to be real in His presence? His actions were prophetic and was the gospel message.

keck553
Oct 2nd 2008, 03:47 PM
They beheld God and in their nakedness killed a beast and clothed them in spite of their wickedness. You don't think he was crying over them as he clothed them and as they grew more and more ashamed to be real in His presence? His actions were prophetic and was the gospel message.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus was crying over His lost fellowship with Adam (and Eve) while He was pouring out His mercy in fabricating the animal skins. Probably a lot of His sadness was for them and the consequences of separation, the resulting consequences, and what He would have to endure to bring us back intoi His arms.

Firstfruits
Oct 2nd 2008, 07:43 PM
They beheld God and in their nakedness killed a beast and clothed them in spite of their wickedness. You don't think he was crying over them as he clothed them and as they grew more and more ashamed to be real in His presence? His actions were prophetic and was the gospel message.

Yes, but was it the Gospel?

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Oct 2nd 2008, 07:45 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus was crying over His lost fellowship with Adam (and Eve) while He was pouring out His mercy in fabricating the animal skins. Probably a lot of His sadness was for them and the consequences of separation, the resulting consequences, and what He would have to endure to bring us back intoi His arms.

Is that the Gospel God preached to Abraham?

Firstfruits