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larry2
Oct 10th 2008, 11:11 PM
What is the difference in the Ephod and the Breastplate of Judgment, and what is their application to the end times?

jeffweeder
Oct 11th 2008, 05:39 AM
The ephod speaks of christs ability to be our great high priest, as the onyx stones were placed on the/his shoulders of it ,inscribed with our names----see lk 15:5
the breastplate was attatched to this, also containing our names---being close to his heart...every stone different and precious in his sight.....how he loves us all very much.


I had to post this quickly as i was on 666 posts lol.

larry2
Oct 11th 2008, 01:38 PM
Quoting jeffweeder - The ephod speaks of christs ability to be our great high priest, as the onyx stones were placed on the/his shoulders of it ,inscribed with our names----see lk 15:5

Response - This is an interesting observation I'll have to think on for a bit.

Quoting jeffweeder - the breastplate was attatched to this, also containing our names---being close to his heart...every stone different and precious in his sight.....how he loves us all very much.

Response - I think you're on to something here I underlined above in your reply. I'm not sure if you know, but the those names on the Ephod were in order of chronological birth, whereas the names on the Breast of Judgment changed which was next to his heart.

larry2
Oct 12th 2008, 07:18 PM
Well not many wanted to get into this so I will just print this for the one who might want to know these things. Remember, Ecclesiastes 3:7 tells us there is "A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak." Maybe this was not the time to speak huh?
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(Exodus 28:8-10) To start with the 12 tribes worn on the Ephods were placed in order of birth.

Rueben
Simeon
Levi
Judah
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulon
Joseph
Benjamin

(Exodus 28:29) On the Breastplate of Judgment they are changed in order which are 10 full tribes and two half tribes; Joseph died and the tribe of Levi were priests and led the march by 2000 cubits and were not numbered with tribes of Israel.

Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Rueben
Simeon
Gad
Ephrain
Manasseh
Benjamin
Dan
Asher
Naphtali

Below are some facts to help in any study you might want to do on this subject.

Now Joseph had died and that left the half tribe of Mannasseh, Joseph's eldest, and the half tribe of Ephraim (Gen. 46:40)

Also the tribe of Levi was not numbered with the tribes of Israel. (Joshua 3:3-4) When the Levites carried the "Ark of the Covenant," they led march by 2000 cubits or around 3000 ft.

(Numbers 10:14-27) This was also their marching order.

(Numbers Chap. 2) When Israel were camped the tribes of:

Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun were on the east
Rueben, Simeon, and Gad were on the south
Ephrain, Mannasseh, and Benjamin were on the west
Dan, Asher, and Naptali were on the north
Levi was camped in the middle

Quoting botz - From this you deduce/infer the possibility that it reflects a change in reward after the judgment fires of G-d have burnt away our dross on our arrival into His Presence. Could we say that after being judged by God we come out with different rewards?

Response - I can't say that Joseph's death was judgment, but the marching order was. When you put your leaders bearing their standards there is honor in that. In the following verses we see a hint at that.

Exodus 28:29 And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the LORD continually.
Exodus 28:30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually.

Judgment doesn't alway have to do with annihilation, or chastisement, it can be as simple as obtaining God's best. God judges the churches in much the same manner in Revelation Chapters 2 and 3. He finds fault with some and commends others. On the Breastplate of Judgment we see the ones judged to obtain that more prominent place.

Quoting botz - From this you deduce/infer the possibility that it reflects a change in reward after the judgment fires of G-d have burnt away our dross on our arrival into His Presence.

Response - AMEN - You got it :)