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davidplunk2
Oct 12th 2008, 08:04 PM
We were in Sunday School this morning and I am not exactly sure of the scripture at the moment, but it was talking of the time between Adam and Moses where there was no hope of you going to Heaven. Where all there was was death. I was just wondering what you guys' take on this would be. Is it that during that time, there was no hope of going to heaven so if you lived in that time period, you were just hopeless?

Just wondering...

Duane Morse
Oct 12th 2008, 08:12 PM
What about Enoch, or Noah?

larry2
Oct 12th 2008, 08:36 PM
I do think Adam was told by God these things though it is not told us, but in Genesis 4:4 says: "And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering." This lamb was slain as an offering unto the Lord; how did Abel know to do that? Of course that was a figure of Jesus to die for him, but Abel knew.

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Romans 8:8. "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." This shows that Enoch was born of God and not of the flesh.

Jude 1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints." Enoch knew of things future.

Hebrews 11:7. "By faith Noah, being warned of God of thing not seen as yet"

Abraham knew his son would rise again and that God would provide a Lamb for the offering. Then in Hebrews 11:10 Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God; how did he know? Abraham also knew that God had told him in Hebrews 11:17-19
17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure."

God bless in Jesus' name

HisLeast
Oct 12th 2008, 08:37 PM
No, they weren't hopeless, just had a different understanding of things. They were given clear commandments, and clear means of making compensation for sin. Their understanding of the afterlife differed from ours (most of ours) because they couldn't observe it, and little was revealed. So they understood you lived your life according to God's commandments and whatever happened to you after death, happened.

FaithfulSheep
Oct 12th 2008, 08:43 PM
You know, we discussed today that there was no written directions in regards to sin between the time of Adam and Moses and how that affected those who lived during that time.

Some of our talking points including the following:
*The Lord gave Moses the laws to give to the people not as a means to gain salvation, but as a response to those who had already been saved as to how they should live their lives.
*People were saved through faith in the Lord, not through following commandments.
*Between the time of Adam and Moses there were no written commandments to God's people (such as the long list of laws or the Ten Commandments). However, the Lord instilled in us a wonderful thing called a conscience, and with that, a knowledge between basic right and wrong. People still knew it was wrong to murder and it was wrong to take someone else's property (as examples).


And as Duane pointed out, consider Enoch and Noah... indeed they walked with the Lord on earth and obeyed His will. I do believe they are in Heaven as they put their faith and trust in Him.

I'm not sure if that's exactly what you were talking about or looking for... if not, just ignore me. :hug: Could you explain what you mean a bit more when you said
of the time between Adam and Moses where there was no hope of you going to Heaven.

Nyoka
Oct 12th 2008, 09:42 PM
davidplunk2 in Hebrews we find the following: Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. Heb 11:21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. We see in this list just a few that followed God during the time between Adam and Moses. Also the bible says of Abraham that righteousness was imputed to him: Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

These people were imputed righteousness because of their faith in the coming Messiah. These people looked forward to the coming Messiah and placed their faith in Him. We look back at the Messiah that has come and place our faith in Him. They are saved the same way we are - by faith in the Messiah Jesus.

Hope this helps.:)

BroRog
Oct 12th 2008, 09:51 PM
We were in Sunday School this morning and I am not exactly sure of the scripture at the moment, but it was talking of the time between Adam and Moses where there was no hope of you going to Heaven. Where all there was was death. I was just wondering what you guys' take on this would be. Is it that during that time, there was no hope of going to heaven so if you lived in that time period, you were just hopeless?

Just wondering...

Sounds like a misinterpretation of Romans 5:12ff.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Paul isn't saying people weren't being saved during that time. He merely wants to point out that sins were judged even though a law didn't exist yet.

FaithfulSheep
Oct 12th 2008, 10:38 PM
Paul isn't saying people weren't being saved during that time. He merely wants to point out that sins were judged even though a law didn't exist yet.

Exactly!! Based upon what I mentioned above.