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Merton
Oct 16th 2008, 01:17 AM
Hi,

At some time in the lives of all sealed believers thoughout history they have had to stand up and be counted, so to speak.

At one time of King Neb. it was whether they would bow down to the statue or not, when commanded.

It was made evident whether they were "believers" or not by some outward action of theirs.

The mark of the beast is required by the beast in order that anyone can operate in their system of money, and all beast worshippers (whose names are not written in the book of life) will take it, while the elect are forbidden to do so by the fact that God commands His people not to take it--

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image,and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Notice the wording--

If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Yes, it is possible for a beast worshipper to repent, for it is the worshipping of an empirical authority as being their supreme authority, but taking the mark is crossing the line to where one can never repent from, and men like those of John ch 8:44 have crossed that line and made more than a man to be their king, but even the devil himself, because it involves the killing of the righteous for monetary and other gain in the serving of him while in conscious defiance to the gospel of Christ.

Christians tend to be unaware sometimes that such cold hearted men exist because they have never been there, but Hitler's and Stalin's secret police have, and men like Edi Amin and Mugabe and countless others who kill for them, and even family members have turned one another in, in order to keep being fed. Communist Germany was another example of the system, but perhaps not so deep as the one to come, and likely having more sugar coating.

Many people of this world will refuse the mark because of the strong witness against it, in that the witnesses would speak the truth, have what that means in their lives and would and rather starve to death than take the mark because it confirms being sealed to the Beast who satan has given a throne to, forever.

The Spirit of Glory will truly rest on the witnesses and be seen in their countenances, unmistakedly of its origin.

1 Peter 4:14.

The strongest witness of the saints has always been in their manner in their sufferings and death and the most fruitful.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Jdg 16:30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with allhis might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.




Now in considering this--


Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

These miracles are natural powers (fire from heaven is that of bombs) and the image is monetary and political and of course something that men are forced to bow to as their god or be persecuted and killed.--

Nothing to do with churches--

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.



It has been taught sometimes that lying signs and wonders of the spiritual kind would identify the Beast but while they may well identify that satan is working among the churches as approval for homosexuality is also, the lying signs and wonders from the mouth of satan, the beast, and the false prophet occur in the time of the 6th vial of God's wrath and nothing of which (the lying signs and wonders) to identify him before that time.

However the setting up of the abomination that makes desolate, which begins with the falling away of the churches (institutional) and their desolation by the Beast, (both obedient and disobedient institutional) followed by the Beasts desolating by Christ, is recognizable by those who pray in time to remove themselves out of harms way, according to Mat.ch 24:15.

Isaiah ch 10.






Merton.

jponb
Oct 16th 2008, 04:20 AM
Definitely physical because you won't be able to buy or sell without it. And if you received it physically, spiritually you have received that same mark on your heart.

Veretax
Oct 18th 2008, 04:47 AM
Definitely physical because you won't be able to buy or sell without it. And if you received it physically, spiritually you have received that same mark on your heart.

I believe the debate over is this or that the mark is fruitless. I think it will be blatantly obvious what the Mark will be. I don't think there will be a doubt about it in the minds of the righteous.