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Master Jake
Oct 18th 2008, 05:24 AM
I have a pretty interesting question for anyone experienced in the matter. It's known that most people only use a small percentage of their mind but some with gifted abilities use a larger percentage. It is also possible to train yourself to use a larger percentage or portion of your mind that would otherwise be unaccessible. This topic covers Telekinesis/Psychokinesis.

Everything that exists is made up of energy. Our mind uses a lot of energy as one of the world most mysterious and misused things. We all possess the ability to generate energy through our mind but only few know how to use this power. The skills of the mind usually gain the prefix tele or psycho and there are quite a few of them including the famous pyrokinesis, or control over fire with the mind.

My majority question is, does the Bible or God say anything about this power deeming it bad. E.G. is tk/pk and other powerful mind forms deemed witchcraft. I've pondered this question a while but haven't found any evidence that states using the mind to a larger extent as a bad thing. Can someone please help?

crossnote
Oct 18th 2008, 07:06 AM
Perhaps you should first define some terms such as -

1. mind. Do you make the distinction between it and the brain?

2. 'generate energy through our mind'.

3. Power.. In what sense do few know how to use this 'power'?

In general though, whenever our mind taps into powers not in dependence on God and His Word e.g. pyrokinesis it is subjecting itself to 'another' power which amounts to the occult.

Chimon
Oct 18th 2008, 07:11 AM
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clark.

The Bible is against witchcraft and magic, not becuase they don't work, but because stem from the lending of demonic powers to humans. The Bible supports the existence of the occult, and it teaches that occult powers come from people being manipulated by demons. These people may think they are in control of special powers, but in reality they are being manipulated by demons.

Paul says in Colossians 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."

My question is, how do you know this teaching is valid, and not a deceptive pseudoscience? It is not generally respected as a scientifically valid within the mainstream sphere, so on what basis do you think you have found truth outside both mainstream science and religion? Do you suppose there is a conspiracy to supress knowledge of 'mental powers,' or do you merely purpose that our science is not advanced enough at this time to fully understand this function of the brain?

I would carefully investigate the truthfullness of this idea. All that is true is God's truth, but there are many things that claim truth but are a lie. All lies enslave and lead away from God, and the Bible does not address all possible lies. I would suggest you study skeptically to see if this indeed from God.

If you are asking my opinion, it seems possible to me that the human brain does have unrealized abilities, but I doubt that it is as sensational as what you are interested in. I would suggest that more likely, those who claim to have supernatural abilities such as the manipulation of fire are being manipulated by demons to believe that they have this mental power in order to get them to worship their own mind. They may appear to have real power, and may demonstrate actual supernatural ability/miracles, but they are not in control of what is going on. There is an evil spiritual entity that is lending such power that is actually in control.

This said, I could be wrong, there is a lot that science hasn't discovered. However, those who have ventured off the cutting edge of science to understand that which is a mystery to them have often reaped devasting consequences. Marie Curie irradiated herself trying to understand X-rays. Nuclear engineers destroyed Chernobyl trying to provide clean, efficent power. Chemical engineers searching for better ways to grow crops, perserve food, and manfufacture goods have created numerous carcinogens and poisons and poisoned thousands over the years. Social scientists experimenting with communism destroyed the economy of eastern Europe.

Whenever you go exploring, whether spiritually or scientifically, be warned that the powers you are dealing with are greater that yourself and dangerous, especially to those that do not understand them.

Because the occult is so dangerous, I strongly advise that no one be involved with anything that could be occult in any way. Demons are a lot smarter and more dangerous than we give them credit for, and they come in many disguises.

Master Jake
Oct 18th 2008, 07:21 AM
I've seen quite a few videos of people demonstrating this power but it's hard to separate the frauds from the actuality. There's just so much mystery in the world and it's too hard to separate what's bad from what's good, especially when it comes to mind and body manipulation. Either way, I guess it's not worth the risk of going to hell so I'm not going to try and learn it.

threebigrocks
Oct 18th 2008, 04:40 PM
Thing is, we have no power in and of ourselves. It is the spiritual aspect which works through us. The mind is powerful, and it is very much controlling what comes out of us in action, words and deed.

Best thing to do is know your scripture, know what is of God so that if confronted with anything you will know the difference. That is called discernment, something we all can have. Know your Lord, and over time things of the darkness will stand out more and more.

Richard H
Oct 18th 2008, 04:41 PM
Hi Jake,
Are you at it again?


... Either way, I guess it's not worth the risk of going to hell so I'm not going to try and learn it.
Oh. OK. Good for you!

Jesus has the power and not us.
We rely on Him and on the power of His name. :)

What more could you want?
Richard

TruthFaith
Oct 18th 2008, 07:35 PM
it would be really cool, though :rolleyes:

threebigrocks
Oct 19th 2008, 01:31 AM
it would be really cool, though :rolleyes:

What do you mean, really cool? To have powers like that? There is more power in faith in Christ than anything we can create in this world or our imagination! :)

Toymom
Oct 19th 2008, 01:39 AM
Here is an interesting book on the power of the mind
http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/latentsoul.htm

Master Jake
Oct 19th 2008, 02:14 AM
As much as I appreciate everyone's reply, my question still hasn't been answered.

Is Telekinetic abilities a sin/witchcraft and will you go to hell for it?

That's all I really wanted to know

markedward
Oct 19th 2008, 02:39 AM
It's known that most people only use a small percentage of their mind but some with gifted abilities use a larger percentage.This in itself is a false statement. Nothing against you, but many people don't know the facts about this.

You're referring to the statement that "Humans only use 10% of their brains."

The part people don't know about is that we only use 10% at a time. The average person does use all of their brain, not just a "small percentage". The thing is they only use a "small percentage" at a time. If I'm reading a book, the parts of my brain that are working are the ones for translating visual symbols (letters) to comprehensible ideas, and maybe the muscle-control part (for turning the pages of the book). Otherwise, I'm not going to be using the parts of my brain for verbal communication, for taste, for math-solving, for writing, for smelling, for listening, for memory, etc. Likewise, when you do math problems, you're not using the parts of your brain related to images, or for hand-eye coordination, for chewing food, etc. Plus, a good deal of the brain controls involuntary things (breathing, heartbeat, etc.).

People use all of their brains, just not all of the time.

Richard H
Oct 19th 2008, 03:07 AM
As much as I appreciate everyone's reply, my question still hasn't been answered.

Is Telekinetic abilities a sin/witchcraft and will you go to hell for it?

That's all I really wanted to know
Itís an occult pursuit in that: it is attempting to manipulate the physical world with the power of the human mind.
Not very far at all from trying to become god-like. ĎOne of the serpentís lies.

Richard

danield
Oct 19th 2008, 03:17 AM
Well I for one do not think I use 1% of my brain most of the time!!! However, I do have a question, can someone think of two different things at the same time. I am not talking about using motor control’s and talking at the same time. I am talking about figuring out two math problems at the same moment. Is it possible to reason through two different problems at the same moment? For me I can only reason through one thing at a time. I may be able to do it extremely fast, but I am still limited reasoning through one thing at a time. I ask this question because I have had someone tell me that they can think of two things at once, and I doubted their ability.

crossnote
Oct 19th 2008, 05:47 AM
I can think of two things at once. Give me a sec. Thinking...here it comes...'TWO THINGS AT ONCE' . Whew, I did it. :P

Athanasius
Oct 19th 2008, 05:54 AM
This said, I could be wrong, there is a lot that science hasn't discovered. However, those who have ventured off the cutting edge of science to understand that which is a mystery to them have often reaped devasting consequences. Marie Curie irradiated herself trying to understand X-rays. Nuclear engineers destroyed Chernobyl trying to provide clean, efficent power. Chemical engineers searching for better ways to grow crops, perserve food, and manfufacture goods have created numerous carcinogens and poisons and poisoned thousands over the years. Social scientists experimenting with communism destroyed the economy of eastern Europe.


No, you're right - it's a demonically controlled 'ability'. It's the same as mediums, ever wonder why they seem to be able to see only 'ghosts', nothing more? "Demonic revelation", if you will.

Equipped_4_Love
Oct 19th 2008, 06:13 AM
No, you're right - it's a demonically controlled 'ability'. It's the same as mediums, ever wonder why they seem to be able to see only 'ghosts', nothing more? "Demonic revelation", if you will.

I agree with Xel'Nega here.

Anything that is supernatural, that does not derive it's power from God, is of the devil, and the Bible warns us about playing around with this kind of stuff. This includes any form of telepathic or mental powers.

Levin
Oct 19th 2008, 06:50 AM
Is [sic] Telekinetic abilities a sin/witchcraft and will you go to hell for it?

To answer your first question:

There is no evidence from the Bible/science that we as humans have the ability to control fire or anything like that. In the Bible all such occurrences are attributed to non-natural beings, and I suggest that we do the same and can safely conclude (at least I can) that such things are a best unnecessary and not to be pursued, or at worst the work of satan.

For the second:

Since when did sin keep you out of heaven? It is true that practicing such things as witchcraft and the like could keep you from coming near the faith, but let us remember that no sin affects the salvation of anyone. I sinned before I came to Christ, witches sin before they come to Christ, murderers sin before they come to Christ, and we have all sinned after so great a salvation. Thinking that witchcraft sends people to hell is simply incorrect; people go to hell because they refuse to stop having faith in themselves and turn that faith on Christ and His cross.

Sincerely,
Levin

Kosinis
Oct 19th 2008, 02:05 PM
"Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Now, theirs a difference between power of the mind and faith, obviously. If your faith is like a mustard seed, you can do anything. That verse wasn't initially for this kind of topic =P But I find it fits in kinda well.

EDIT: With that said, i don't believe the power of the mind is a good idea. Satan works through our minds, and exploring deeply into that stuff will probably be dangerous. Just pray about it =P. I guess it could also depend on what your intentions are...

God gives us all gifts... So just be happy with what you have =)

RoadWarrior
Oct 19th 2008, 09:28 PM
As much as I appreciate everyone's reply, my question still hasn't been answered.

Is Telekinetic abilities a sin/witchcraft and will you go to hell for it?

That's all I really wanted to know

It is definitely within the description of witchcraft and sin. As such it can bring you into very dangerous territory, and cause you to follow a different spirit, other than the Spirit of God.

Anything that leads you away from God is very dangerous and not worth the risk of being snared by it.

If you have dabbled in this at all, you need to repent from it and seek the Lord for restoration of fellowship with Him.

If you want to use more of your brain, apply yourself to your studies. Use what you have, and it will increase in a natural way. You don't need witchcraft to make you smarter. You just need to exercise what you already have.

Athanasius
Oct 19th 2008, 10:12 PM
Since when did sin keep you out of heaven? It is true that practicing such things as witchcraft and the like could keep you from coming near the faith, but let us remember that no sin affects the salvation of anyone. I sinned before I came to Christ, witches sin before they come to Christ, murderers sin before they come to Christ, and we have all sinned after so great a salvation. Thinking that witchcraft sends people to hell is simply incorrect; people go to hell because they refuse to stop having faith in themselves and turn that faith on Christ and His cross.

Sincerely,
Levin

Sin doesn't affect the salvation of anyone? You going to stick by that statement?

Levin
Oct 19th 2008, 11:07 PM
Sin doesn't affect the salvation of anyone? You going to stick by that statement?

Well, I'm not going to die for it, but I'm going to stick to it. I'm here talking about practiced sin, as opposed to original sin. I'm especially talking about sins committed by Christians. And I'm probably talking about at least the second practiced sin that an individual commits. I honestly don't know where I stand on original sin, but I think that discussion belongs in another thread...

Start one or find one and when I find time I'll work out my soteriology for you.

With Regards,
Levin

Kosinis
Oct 20th 2008, 01:05 AM
Lol. First sin makes you go to hell unless:
you become a Christian and its fixed for you.
Stay unsaved and you'll go to hell =(

RoadWarrior
Oct 20th 2008, 01:08 AM
Isa 59:2-3
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
And your sins have hidden His face from you,
So that He will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood,
And your fingers with iniquity;
Your lips have spoken lies,
Your tongue has muttered perversity.
NKJV

Firefighter
Oct 20th 2008, 01:04 PM
Humans use only ten percent of their brains...

That is a complete myth, invalidating the basis of your question.

Emanate
Oct 20th 2008, 04:02 PM
I had a psychology professor that went to great lengths to prove how easy it was to fool people into thinking she and they were telekinetic. fascinating

theBelovedDisciple
Oct 20th 2008, 06:22 PM
I have a pretty interesting question for anyone experienced in the matter. It's known that most people only use a small percentage of their mind but some with gifted abilities use a larger percentage. It is also possible to train yourself to use a larger percentage or portion of your mind that would otherwise be unaccessible. This topic covers Telekinesis/Psychokinesis.

Everything that exists is made up of energy. Our mind uses a lot of energy as one of the world most mysterious and misused things. We all possess the ability to generate energy through our mind but only few know how to use this power. The skills of the mind usually gain the prefix tele or psycho and there are quite a few of them including the famous pyrokinesis, or control over fire with the mind.

My majority question is, does the Bible or God say anything about this power deeming it bad. E.G. is tk/pk and other powerful mind forms deemed witchcraft. I've pondered this question a while but haven't found any evidence that states using the mind to a larger extent as a bad thing. Can someone please help?

Scripture declares the 'unsaved' mind as being 'controlled' or 'blinded' by the 'god of this world'.. who is Satan ....... 'demonic' powers... 'earthly sensual and devilsh' as James states..... one would have to discern the 'source' of mind power thru the 'unsaved'... A Christian's source of power is the Lord Himself thru the Work and Ministry of the Holy Ghost...

Master Jake
Oct 20th 2008, 06:46 PM
OK thanks everyone but since this topic is sparking pretty well I think I'll add to it.

What if you gain these powers through God and have no intentions of using them in any bad ways at all. Say a car was laying on someone and you could tk it off of them (probably take most of your life to get that strong in tk naturally but through God you could do it in a second). Still a sin?

Athanasius
Oct 20th 2008, 06:51 PM
OK thanks everyone but since this topic is sparking pretty well I think I'll add to it.

What if you gain these powers through God and have no intentions of using them in any bad ways at all. Say a car was laying on someone and you could tk it off of them (probably take most of your life to get that strong in tk naturally but through God you could do it in a second). Still a sin?

I'm fairly certain God would give you strength to lift the car:rolleyes: