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Cyberseeker
Oct 20th 2008, 06:41 AM
Sit down and hold the sides of your chair. Take a deep breath and prepare to be shocked witless for 47 minutes. (every minute worth it)

‘Y got your speakers on? ‘y glasses strait? :o ‘y holding tight now? OK, go here and click the start button.

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/interesting-videos/documentaries/what-is-money/

“Money as Debt" by Paul Grignon of Canada
This is a fast-paced and entertaining movie explaining astonishing and barely known facts behind the current financial collapse. Although the link is a political website, the movie relates to serious biblical matters (usury and endtimes) that is NEVER mentioned from the pulpit.

Cyberseeker

ps. I previously gave the wrong URL but it was only a trailer. This is the full version.

jeffweeder
Oct 20th 2008, 06:59 AM
For some reason i cant watch it........blast

Saved7
Oct 20th 2008, 02:21 PM
Yup, I've known about this stuff for about 1 1/2 years now....blew my mind and infuriated me when I read up on the federal reserve and how it all got started, and so forth. Wish I still had the links from then, but if you read what I read, especially about certain presidents being killed because of their unwillingness to continue or even get involved with the whole scam...it would just leave you shaking your head in disbelief.:B

SpokenFor
Oct 20th 2008, 03:52 PM
Excellent video. Worth watching all 47 minutes. (note: the first 18 seconds are just a black screen...you might think the video is not playing during that time).

In the past that kind of video would have left me depressed for days, but now that I'm a Christian I can Praise God that I can count on HIM for all my needs.

quiet dove
Oct 20th 2008, 05:15 PM
Love the new title cyb. :)

DeafPosttrib
Oct 20th 2008, 10:35 PM
This video is very good and clear. I am deaf. But, I understand them clear with animated program. It makes sense. While, I click, 'U.S. Debt Clock'. It is skyrocketing over $10 trillion. I look at U.S. history of debt with Presidents. Funny, during Demorcat Presdient period, the debt redued. Then, during Republican President period, the debt increased.

I don't really to vote on either McCain or Obama. Because, we are already heading toward One World Goverment anyway as the Bible predicted.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Roelof
Oct 21st 2008, 04:00 AM
Sit down and hold the sides of your chair. Take a deep breath and prepare to be shocked witless for 47 minutes. (every minute worth it)


Cyberseeker

Unfortumately I could not watch the video, but my research has shown that the world money powers are preparing an One World Economy by 2012. With the current world financial crisis and a possible world-wide recession, the Antichrist could step forward to offers his "solutions"

unkn0wnNYC
Oct 21st 2008, 04:12 PM
Cyberseeker

Unfortumately I could not watch the video, but my research has shown that the world money powers are preparing an One World Economy by 2012. With the current world financial crisis and a possible world-wide recession, the Antichrist could step forward to offers his "solutions"
Yes, well everything we have seen is pointing towards a united world economy. Every year we will grow closer and closer to achieving the economy which the Antichrist and his government will rule.

I'll watch the vid as soon as I get home. Thanks.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 21st 2008, 04:45 PM
Has anybody noticed the increasing calls around the world for the west to shift to an Islamic "Sharia" system of finance? I see this as a golden opportunity for Islam to make some serious inroads into dominating our society.

Gentle Soul
Oct 21st 2008, 05:49 PM
It rather brings home the fact, the system is completely destined to utter failure. There cannot be any "fix" for it, it's fundamental core is flawed and they knew it from the beginning.

I like the barter system, I think I'll pursue that element and try and make it turn into it's own business entity all together, trading real goods and real services of value instead of soon to be worthless credit or cash. Also, I think it would be a very good idea to hold onto gold and silver, for it too has value.

All I can say is thank you past generations for letting this establish itself, they knew full well that it cannot go on forever, yet they had no interest for the well being of future generations.

That was a very enlightening video, it looks like my credit and debt free life holds merit where at least I know, I am not contributing to it. That, and as a manufacturer, I'm taking raw materials and transforming it into something of value, we need more of us to do the same.

Raybob
Oct 21st 2008, 06:40 PM
This link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAcxGD6-c-E&feature=related)is a video series on Youtube that explains the few families that control all the money in the world at all banks. It's a 29 part series but VERY informative!

Raybob

Jerome1
Oct 21st 2008, 06:42 PM
I watched the whole video, and before i offer my critic, i should say that i'm not an accountant, economist or a banker. However, i do have an elementary understanding of how the banking system works.

That video is very misleading, he continually states that the banks create debt. While this is true(in a sense), the debt that the bank creates for the borrower, is a guarantee against any commodities the borrower may have, and also against the services the borrower provides. The video misses that point, time and time again.

When you borrow money from a bank, they charge interest because of the service they provide to you. They keep your money safe, sometimes they invest it, they also employ countless numbers of staff to keep the monetary system running smoothly. The interest we pay on bank loans is for this service that they provide us with.

The problem with the banking system inspite of all it's regulations(which are still too few), is that the bankers can basically set the money they get paid for their services. To begin with, the money bankers get paid is much greater than the importance of the service they provide. That is one problem, the other problem is that in their hunger for more money, they are lending too irresponsibly to borrowers who cannot afford the repayments. Like the Orsen Wells novel, "Animal Farm," these people have acted very irresponsibly because they have been given too much power, that is human nature.

This form of capitalism is the polar opposite of communism, which spreads out wealth evenly regardless of the service the person provides.

Whereas a Doctor should obviously get more money than a road sweeper or someone who works in a fast food restaurant(no disrespect if you happen to be a road sweeper or waiter/waitress). The form of capitalism we have at the moment means that bankers are getting way too much money for the service they provide. I agree that the more skilled the worker, the more they deserve to get paid, but the bankers have been rewarding themselves with exorbitant amounts of money for the service they provide.

One good point that was made in the video was that the monetary system relies on growth. However due to the dwindling supplies of natural resources(which is the cause of the current crisis). It shows a serious lack of foresight and ineptitude from those in charge of the system, not to have foreseen the problems we are encountering now.

Cyberseeker
Oct 21st 2008, 09:38 PM
That video is very misleading, he continually states that the banks create debt. While this is true(in a sense), the debt that the bank creates for the borrower, is a guarantee against any commodities the borrower may have, and also against the services the borrower provides.

I don't think the author would dispute that loans are based on the borrowers goods and/or services.

His point is that when money comes into existence it is created as brand new money by the banking system. He is saying that the role of creating money is the prerogative of the government - not a private banking system.

The banks have usurped this power and create money as if it were their own, and then feed it into the economy as debt.

Since all money comes into existence this way it becomes un-repayable because if every dollar owed is repaid it would be greater than the total volume of money on the planet. That is why government debt (in every country) reaches the mega-trillion mark and keeps going up!

And that is why the bubble is about to burst. :kiss:

Jerome1
Oct 22nd 2008, 01:07 AM
I don't think the author would dispute that loans are based on the borrowers goods and/or services.


He didn't dispute it, but he did not make the services part clear, he made a lot of references to commodites as collateral, but not the services of the borrower. That is why i thought his presentation was misleading.

He then suggests other methods which might help make the monetary system more transparent and beneficial to the consumer. There is also a lot of problems with the methods he suggested.



Since all money comes into existence this way it becomes un-repayable because if every dollar owed is repaid it would be greater than the total volume of money on the planet. That is why government debt (in every country) reaches the mega-trillion mark and keeps going up!


His argument for a debt free society wouldn't work either, because people are always consuming natural resources, and are always going to need other people to provide services for them.

Like i said i'm not an economist, so i don't understand the intricacies of the banking system. It seems to me that the system is fine, but greater regulations and transparency are needed in the future, so that lending and bankers salaries do not spiral out of control.

There are a lot of other issues with the economy, the program did provide some good solutions. Such as greater investment and dependance on renewable energy. Which both Obama and McCain highlighted as one of their priorities, as part of a long term strategy to bring the price of energy down, because it is essential for the prosperity of the overall economy.

ross3421
Oct 22nd 2008, 04:39 PM
Another must see video is the "Money Masters" made in 1996. You can google it to find several links. This video takes you back in history on those which controlled the money supply. It also gives a good understanding on the money changers in Jesus's day which as today used fractional reserve banking.

Joe King
Oct 23rd 2008, 04:58 AM
People are panicking over the stock market. What did the disciples do in their age without the stock market?? (eyes rolling)

Cyberseeker
Oct 24th 2008, 02:27 AM
Hi Joe,

There may not have been a stock market crash but financial crises have also been in Bible times and the people of God have been affected just like anyone else unfortunately.

Here is a depression which was precipitated by famine:

So when the money failed in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came to Joseph and said, “Give us bread, for why should we die in your presence? For the money has failed.”
(Genesis 47:15)Here is a depression where usury was the culprit:

I rebuked the nobles and rulers, and said to them, “Each of you is exacting usury from his brother.” So I called a great assembly against them. And I said to them, “According to our ability we have redeemed our Jewish brethren who were sold to the nations. Now indeed, will you even sell your brethren? Or should they be sold to us?”

Please, let us stop this usury! Restore now to them, even this day, their lands, their vineyards, their olive groves, and their houses, also a hundredth of the money and the grain, the new wine and the oil, that you have charged them.”

So they said, “We will restore it, and will require nothing from them; we will do as you say.”
(Nehemiah 5:7-12)

quiet dove
Oct 24th 2008, 05:55 PM
A thought that keeps coming to mind for me is, many Christians are in trouble this time because we did not live according to Biblical principles as far as not being in dept. Now I certainly understand that buying a home, or transportation in order to buy that home pretty much require credit, at least in the US. However, we tend to be guilty of buying the max of what our credit will allow. And on top of that, many of us are guilty of having then maxed out what ever else credit we could get, like plastic, all because we or our children wanted the lasted ipod or whatever shoes. I think most of us have made those mistakes at one time or another. And now we are learning a most valuable lesson.

Dani H
Oct 24th 2008, 06:05 PM
A thought that keeps coming to mind for me is, many Christians are in trouble this time because we did not live according to Biblical principles as far as not being in dept. Now I certainly understand that buying a home, or transportation in order to buy that home pretty much require credit, at least in the US. However, we tend to be guilty of buying the max of what our credit will allow. And on top of that, many of us are guilty of having then maxed out what ever else credit we could get, like plastic, all because we or our children wanted the lasted ipod or whatever shoes. I think most of us have made those mistakes at one time or another. And now we are learning a most valuable lesson.

Amen. These things are not for our destruction. They are for us to grow, and to learn, and for our salvation.

Kudo Shinichi
Oct 27th 2008, 02:41 PM
Agree with jeffweeder...can't watch the video even a second!!!:giveup:
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For some reason i cant watch it........blast

Literalist-Luke
Oct 27th 2008, 03:43 PM
For some reason i cant watch it........blast


Agree with jeffweeder...can't watch the video even a second!!!:giveup:
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Try here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

There's about 12 seconds of silent black screen at the beginning, so be patient....:)

pinky
Oct 28th 2008, 01:50 PM
Another must see video is the "Money Masters" made in 1996. You can google it to find several links. This video takes you back in history on those which controlled the money supply. It also gives a good understanding on the money changers in Jesus's day which as today used fractional reserve banking.

Yes, this is an excellent documentary.

Watch here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Cyberseeker
Oct 28th 2008, 10:38 PM
Thanks Pinky.

The "Money Masters" is an amazing link. Very long but I listened to all of it. Excerpts from the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin and the financial policies of Presidents Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln and James Garfield were amazing - stunning. Why don’t people ever talk about these things? Heck, isn’t there supposed to be an election in the US?

Should any have the time to listen to either the opening post link or this related link, they would be gob-smacked. And yes, it is of interest to Christians.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 29th 2008, 01:06 AM
Why don’t people ever talk about these things?Because they're too busy drinking beer and watching Desperate Housewives to "waste their time" on something as "trivial" as this. :mad:

I watched it too, by the way - excellent stuff. It's actually got me checking into the prophetic implications of Sharia Finance and the increasing calls for switching over to it around the west.

pinky
Oct 30th 2008, 10:55 AM
Thanks Pinky.

The "Money Masters" is an amazing link. Very long but I listened to all of it. Excerpts from the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin and the financial policies of Presidents Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln and James Garfield were amazing - stunning. Why donít people ever talk about these things? Heck, isnít there supposed to be an election in the US?

Should any have the time to listen to either the opening post link or this related link, they would be gob-smacked. And yes, it is of interest to Christians.


Your most welcome.

Yes, I found the quotes and views of the early American leaders to be very powerful.

It's remarkable how us common folk have been kept in the dark about how the central banks really operate.

Lord have mercy on us all.

God bless in Christ,
pinky

Gentle Soul
Oct 31st 2008, 04:20 AM
I've been running a little experiment with my business over the past month or so, I rolled back the prices to earlier times with a stronger economy and lower inflation rate. Part of it was sheer defiance in the face of the slump, to ignore the extra burdon I face with higher production and material costs, and part of it to see if a volume order approach is found to be the new direction my clients decide to go. I added onto this a revised business strategy where I'm offering my skills in similar and completely different fields to the local businesses and private parties.

Results so far are tremendous, really, really tremendous, in fact, I'm doing better now then all of the years I have ever been in business. It's part of the combo, part of the state of this economy, and what is established now brings further legitimacy towards when it gets stronger with the system in place.

This shows how important manufacturers and local IT's have along the local economy, banks or no banks "all cash business here".....

Now, all I can do is thank the Lord for giving me his guidance, and thank him for the blessings he has bestowed on me. There is no slump here at all!!!!

pinky
Oct 31st 2008, 10:52 PM
Because they're too busy drinking beer and watching Desperate Housewives to "waste their time" on something as "trivial" as this. :mad:

I watched it too, by the way - excellent stuff. It's actually got me checking into the prophetic implications of Sharia Finance and the increasing calls for switching over to it around the west.


Hi Luke.

I'm happy to agree with you that it is a good documentary. :)

I'm curious though how you see a connection between the international bankers and sharia law?

Thank you and God bless in Christ,
pinky

Roelof
Nov 2nd 2008, 06:48 AM
Now I certainly understand that buying a home, or transportation in order to buy that home pretty much require credit, at least in the US.

In South Africa only the very rich can buy a new vehicle cash

quiet dove
Nov 2nd 2008, 03:18 PM
In South Africa only the very rich can buy a vehicle cash

Same in the US, unless someone is buying a used one, usually a very used one. But a house or property, for get it, need the mega bucks for all of those and the majority doesn't have that. Even wealthy, like hollywood and others, though they have money they still don't have enough sense to pay cash, they to are deep into credit dept, I would say the majority anyway.

brakelite
Nov 3rd 2008, 08:59 PM
Broadband connection too slow here to watch videos:B, live in the boondocks. But have read much on the Fed reserver etc and the number of American presidents who were assasinated because they sought to have the govt print it's own money, thus putting the fed out of business.
The latest pres. to die for this was Kennedy.
Having not watched the video, I have a question. Was there any suggestion that the Vatican was involved through her agents, the Jesuits, in manipulating and running the fed not only to make megadollars free, but to finance wars and coups around the world?

Raybob
Nov 3rd 2008, 10:07 PM
I have a question. Was there any suggestion that the Vatican was involved through her agents, the Jesuits, in manipulating and running the fed not only to make megadollars free, but to finance wars and coups around the world?

Not the vatican but a few select families were mentioned such as Rothchilds (Bauer), Shiffs, Rockefeller.

Kudo Shinichi
Nov 4th 2008, 07:12 AM
Thanks for much..saw the view...can't imagine that...


Try here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

There's about 12 seconds of silent black screen at the beginning, so be patient....:)