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immortality
Oct 20th 2008, 11:02 PM
consider the following rather blatant commercials that have aired on the MTV channel:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=reCpV1YHuYs

so, is an american holocaust possible? it would be foolish not to consider this potential.

i thank god for opening my eyes to the reality of the coming times, regardless of how depressing or gloomy that reality may be.

when these times soon arrive, i will be substantially prepared for whatever happens - emotionally and spiritually.

will you be?

theBelovedDisciple
Oct 21st 2008, 01:20 AM
And what we be the 'cause' that would take our nation into Martial Law??

Personally, I have a hard time 'believing' anything that comes from MTV... I don't use that as my 'news source'.....

As a young Christian back in the 90's all I heard about was the NWO.. it was here and going to be implemented in 2-3 years..... the govt had even stockpiled guillotines to begin chopping off heads off of people... it was doom and gloom.. get ready.. get set..... your going to fall into concentration camps... you will be executed..... That that was quite awhile ago... and this stuff pressed upon me from those 'who' were 'supposed' end time exposers.. what was going to happen to you as a Christian.. in the end times....

Since then I have learned differently....... You would be suprised as to what you learn when you start seeking His face....

Saved7
Oct 21st 2008, 01:23 AM
Funny...christians have been called paranoid for thinking this way, for as long as I considered this as a possibility, and that's been several years now. Hm, now look, we see even MTV giving such warnings??? Something worth taking into consideration now for even the "worldly" folks.

Saved7
Oct 21st 2008, 01:32 AM
Wow, did you all watch the next video of the govt voting on a new bill, right after that video???
They sound like they really believe such laws will be necessary.:o

immortality
Oct 21st 2008, 01:32 AM
And what we be the 'cause' that would take our nation into Martial Law??

a devastating terrorist attack utilizing nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons.

Dani H
Oct 21st 2008, 01:43 AM
Are we now taking everything the media says as truth?

Because, you know, they never have an agenda. Ever.

:)

theBelovedDisciple
Oct 21st 2008, 01:49 AM
Honestly... if its going to be martial law.. and the 'persecution ' of American Christians.. then I'll shave my neck tonight and put a big 'x' right in the middle of it.. so they can have a target when they raise that 'blade'.. to chop off my head... I'm ready...

are you?.....

if this is indeed the TRUTH and govt. martial law will be implemented as a part of the 'end times' and 'american christians' persecuted....

I pose you a question......

does 'real' Christian persecution even exist in the USA? Like the extermination of a person's life... for their stand of the Gospel Message and Truth... like what you saw in the book of Acts with those diciples or believers? how much of that do you read in the Newspaper or see on TV?

I even saw another video on You Tube.. in the same group with this video.... that claimed all these 'coffin's' were ready to be used by the NWO.. which is soon to implemented... After my conversion that's all I heard.. It was coming .. in 3 years this whole country and planet will be under the NWO.... that was back in the 90's....


Oh yes a NWO is coming... as talked about in the Book of Revelation.. but it will not resemble what many teach and lead others to believe...

But this NWO will come under the Judgement of the Mighty Hand of God... and finally put down when Jesus the Christ returns.. phyically and literally.......to this earth......

CoffeeCat
Oct 21st 2008, 01:53 AM
Right now, I am a LOT more concerned with the current North American holocaust going on -- millions of babies being aborted every single year.... and nobody's standing up and getting freaked out enough about it to CHANGE it. If we want to worry about a potential holocaust, let's focus on something VERY real.... (yes, it's a holocaust. That's what you call the deliberate murder of millions of people.)

Just my 0.02.

Dani H
Oct 21st 2008, 01:57 AM
Right now, I am a LOT more concerned with the current North American holocaust going on -- millions of babies being aborted every single year.... and nobody's standing up and getting freaked out enough about it to CHANGE it. If we want to worry about a potential holocaust, let's focus on something VERY real.... (yes, it's a holocaust. That's what you call the deliberate murder of millions of people.)

Just my 0.02.

I see your :2cents: and add my :2cents: to it.

Amen, sister.

immortality
Oct 21st 2008, 02:16 AM
i'd also just like to say that it's quite obvious there are many professing christians who are scoffers and mockers themselves at the possibility of such things occurring.

some even take a rather nonchalant and immature attitude, perhaps joking about it as if such material should only be contemplated by "loonies" or "conspiracy theorists". in this regard, they are no better than most nonbelievers.

some may find these words condescending, but i say it with the up most sincerity. i don't say things like this to produce quarrels, or to make people have a bad day, but rather because it's the truth.

i weep and mourn on a consistent basis knowing what is soon going to transpire in this world. i am but one of many individuals who have had their eyes opened by god regarding the coming times. i speak for all of us when i say this is no laughing matter.

god knows that we say such things out of sincere love. therefore our consciences are clear, and we don't mind being called condescending, paranoid, or even "unchristian".


Right now, I am a LOT more concerned with the current North American holocaust going on -- millions of babies being aborted every single year.... and nobody's standing up and getting freaked out enough about it to CHANGE it. If we want to worry about a potential holocaust, let's focus on something VERY real.... (yes, it's a holocaust. That's what you call the deliberate murder of millions of people.)

Just my 0.02.

indeed, abortion is one of the many things america is guilty of.

if an "american holocaust" were to occur, it would undoubtedly be a form of judgment from god. therefore the current abortion crises would be one of the many things that would only add to the justification of it.

best regards

CoffeeCat
Oct 21st 2008, 02:28 AM
indeed, abortion is one of the many things america is guilty of.

if an "american holocaust" were to occur, it would undoubtedly be a form of judgment from god. therefore the current abortion crises would only be one of the many things that would add to the justification of it.

Just to be clear: I believe this IS one. I believe unborn babies are human, that millions of these unborn humans are being murdered, and I believe that this "crisis" has went past "crisis" proportions. It's gone on to be the widesweeping murder of those who are innocent.

I do not think that in the context I mentioned, this holocaust is from God at all. God punishes sin. He doesn't murder the innocent.... that's entirely the 'human department' that does that.

teddyv
Oct 21st 2008, 02:47 AM
i'd also just like to say that it's quite obvious there are many professing christians who are scoffers and mockers themselves at the possibility of such things occurring.

some even take a rather nonchalant and immature attitude, even perhaps joking about it as if such material should only be contemplated by "loonies" or "conspiracy theorists". in this regard, they are no better than most nonbelievers.

some may find these words condescending, but i say it with the up most sincerity. i don't say things like this to produce quarrels, or to make people have a bad day, but rather because it's the truth.

i weep and mourn on a consistent basis knowing what is soon going to transpire in this world. i am but one of many individuals who have had their eyes opened by god regarding the coming times. i speak for all of us when i say this is no laughing matter.

god knows that we say such things out of sincere love. therefore our conscience is clear, and we don't mind being called condescending, paranoid, or even "unchristian".

Yes your words can be construed as condescending and paranoid, but I fully understand that you are completely sincere. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it unChristian.

I do lament people reading into disparate non-related occurrences and making up all sorts of connections that do not hold up to any scrutiny. Too many conspiracy-minded people seem to rely on the Alex Jones' of the world, but do not apply any critical thinking to what is being said. In my experience conspiracy theories seem to sprout from people's fears and attempts to reconcile the seeming randomness of the world around us.

I'm sure what I write will considered condescending to those who disagree with me as well, but I also speak with complete sincerity. There's enough worry for each day to worry about things in the future that we have little to no control over and may never come to fruition except in our fertile imaginations.

Cheers.:)

Jude
Oct 21st 2008, 04:03 AM
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Psalm 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
18 For the needy shall not alway be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever.
19 Arise, O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.
20 Put them in fear, O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.

Jude


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David161099
Oct 21st 2008, 04:19 AM
i'd also
if an "american holocaust" were to occur, it would undoubtedly be a form of judgment from god. therefore the current abortion crises would be one of the many things that would only add to the justification of it.


Please list your reasons why the Jewish Holocaust was justified?

(Don't wanna go there?) I don't think holocausts can be justified.

tundra
Oct 21st 2008, 11:50 AM
The most important thing to remember is that we must be led by the Holy Spirit in these matters. After going to your prayer closet and asking God to show you and confirm through others have you then posted this? Has the Lord told you this would surely happen or are you speculating? Big difference...

Personally, the Holy Spirit has given my family warnings about the future.... but this type of martial law was not shown to us and I fear it's nothing more than fear mongering propoganda. Call me a scoffer if you like, but I truly say this sincerely. The Holy Spirit within me does not bear witness.. YMMV though.

God Bless,
Matt

Veretax
Oct 21st 2008, 12:07 PM
When I was in college I was threatened with violence, and other ways ostracized for my faith. So I believe it would not take much for America to persecute Christians as has been suggested here. However, I leave it in Gods hands. If the time of his coming is nearer then we think then so be it, I'm ready to take a stand and die if it is necessary for that belief.

tundra
Oct 21st 2008, 12:20 PM
When I was in college I was threatened with violence, and other ways ostracized for my faith. So I believe it would not take much for America to persecute Christians as has been suggested here. However, I leave it in Gods hands. If the time of his coming is nearer then we think then so be it, I'm ready to take a stand and die if it is necessary for that belief.


AMEN to that brother! There will be some hard times ahead, but we are more than conquerors though our Lord Jesus Christ :)

moonglow
Oct 21st 2008, 01:49 PM
The most important thing to remember is that we must be led by the Holy Spirit in these matters. After going to your prayer closet and asking God to show you and confirm through others have you then posted this? Has the Lord told you this would surely happen or are you speculating? Big difference...

Personally, the Holy Spirit has given my family warnings about the future.... but this type of martial law was not shown to us and I fear it's nothing more than fear mongering propoganda. Call me a scoffer if you like, but I truly say this sincerely. The Holy Spirit within me does not bear witness.. YMMV though.

God Bless,
Matt

Amen.


immortality i'd also just like to say that it's quite obvious there are many professing christians who are scoffers and mockers themselves at the possibility of such things occurring.

some even take a rather nonchalant and immature attitude, perhaps joking about it as if such material should only be contemplated by "loonies" or "conspiracy theorists". in this regard, they are no better than most nonbelievers.

some may find these words condescending, but i say it with the up most sincerity. i don't say things like this to produce quarrels, or to make people have a bad day, but rather because it's the truth.

i weep and mourn on a consistent basis knowing what is soon going to transpire in this world. i am but one of many individuals who have had their eyes opened by god regarding the coming times. i speak for all of us when i say this is no laughing matter.

god knows that we say such things out of sincere love. therefore our consciences are clear, and we don't mind being called condescending, paranoid, or even "unchristian".

Call me a scoffer or mocker or whatever...I see your posts in saying such things only as a forum of manipulation to keep those of us that do object to your speculations, from saying anything out of fear we will be seen as immature and scoffers. If folks want to think that of me fine. The only truth is IN the bible. And there is nothing in it about American having marshal law...

The MTV video shows and says nothing about only Christians being rounded up here does it? Looks like it a way to cause the young Americans of all faiths and no faiths to not trust the government. We already have militant groups in America that are very anti-government and are ready to use force against the government. the bible doesn't tell us to suspect our government but to in fact obey our governing authorities! Romans 13

If you want to speak the truth...post scriptures.

unkn0wnNYC
Oct 21st 2008, 04:07 PM
All you can do is put your faith in God and learn more about Him by reading the scriptures. God won't put anything in your way that you can't face. Whether it's being laughed at, physical persecution, or even execution...you will get through it all as long as you never lose your faith in Him and you cling to the cross.

immortality
Oct 21st 2008, 06:25 PM
the bible is without question all that you need. but i think when we start to say that considering material outside of the scriptures as being not only futile, but perhaps indicative that something is wrong with our faith, there is undoubtedly much hypocrisy involved.

when i am in prayer, god himself doesn't come down and whisper into my ear, "martial law is coming". rather, i have found that it can be as simple as the holy spirit leading me to read an article online, buy a book from amazon, or watch a video.

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come." [john 16:12]

daughter
Oct 21st 2008, 06:33 PM
While I agree that it wouldn't take much for another holocaust to start, I don't believe that this is the point of the adverts. They are pointing out that the holocaust happened (past tense) to people like us. This is not a prediction that A holocaust will happen in the future. I think it is a shame that we can only get alarmed and care about such things when we believe we are the potential victims.

There are victims of holocausts all across the world, victims of starvation, disease, dirty water, war... and yes, as a previous poster pointed out, victims of the West's abortion policy.

At some future time we may be victimised for our faith. But I very much doubt that MTV will sound the alarm when that day comes.