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*Hope*
Oct 23rd 2008, 11:24 PM
So several of my friends are really excited about this movie and LOVE "horror" movies. Most of them are Christian friends too. Me, on the other hand, I find these types of movies very disturbing and it even troubles me more that people would consider watching people being brutally tortured as "entertainment".

So I wanted to see what the consensus was around here on the forum. For those of you who love horror movies like my friends, can you explain how you find pleasure in watching human beings suffer?:confused

Ayala
Oct 23rd 2008, 11:41 PM
Movies that rely on gore and such for their effect, don't mark very high for me. I do, however, enjoy Japanese-style horror and the like. A properly executed psychological horror is a thing of beauty. The type of horror you're talking abut...not so much.

IMO.

the inside out
Oct 23rd 2008, 11:56 PM
I love horror movies. I'm the biggest Michael Myers fan ever. Me and my bestfriend from high school can have hour long conversations about it. My favorite movie, since I was eight-years-old, is Village of the Damned from 1995. It's more sci-fi than horror, but close enough.

I like gore, but I love good old school horror: deep in the shadows, crazy music, psycho killers without faces, relying purely on your emotions kind of stuff.

It's not so much the blood and torture or whatever that's awesome, but it's the thrill of being scared. It's an adreneline rush. But there are some people enjoy being grossed out and seeing what kind of crazy stuff people can come up with (i.e. Saw). And they're fun to watch in a crowded theater. When I saw Texas Chainsaw Massacure, the remake, in theaters it was around Halloween and it was a FULL theater. When you first saw Thomas Hewitt, everyone in the theater went "WHOA!!"

The Saw series are just pure genius. It's sick and twisted, but it's brilliant. They're not quite horror, they're psychological thrillers with blood. They mess with your head and make you sick, and people love it.

Marc2x
Oct 24th 2008, 12:04 AM
I hardly watch horror movies.But I guess people like them because it has lots of suspence and can really scare people.My friends(the non christian ones) always bets when a new horror movie comes out.When they go see it the first person to chicken out or jumps when a scary scene comes out has to owe the winner $5.00.

scourge39
Oct 24th 2008, 12:08 AM
For me, nothing beats the first 2 Hellraiser movies and the original Halloween. Those movies relied more on storytelling than gore. The Omen 666 was a decent remake too.

BrckBrln
Oct 24th 2008, 12:27 AM
The first saw is brilliant. The second Saw is really good. The third and fourth just stink in my opinion because instead of suspense they went just for gore and torture porn. Saw 5 looks like more of the same and I find it disappointing. When a movie crosses over from horror/suspense to torutre porn, that's where I draw the line.

TRL1957
Oct 24th 2008, 12:40 AM
It is beyond my grasp, how anyone finds enjoyment in human suffering. It is so disturbing to my spirit, I leave immediately if someone turns on such gore.

ilovemetal
Oct 24th 2008, 04:23 AM
i like gore. but i don't think God does, so hence i don't watch it anymore, to a certain extent.

i still watch starship troopers or dead alive, but saw and the like, not for me anymore.

Lucariokid13
Oct 24th 2008, 03:02 PM
I normonaly find ive fallen asleep by the time it gets scary :lol:. Resident evil video games are another story, scares the living daylight out of me but there really fun as well, just dont play them in the dark. Evil giant teddy bear, super hardy super gory:eek:.. ilove that boss :D.
my friends parents never cared about pegi so we played games that scare me even now... i still love zombies thou.

Athanasius
Oct 24th 2008, 03:07 PM
My girlfriend has laughed all the way through every Saw movie...

markedward
Oct 24th 2008, 05:28 PM
What's that phrase I heard recently?

Oh, right: torture porn.

Movies like this are intended to get the viewer a psychological high off of watching people brutally killed or tortured. As in, the intent is to make the viewer entertained from horrifically violent deaths.

Anyone who enjoys watching such things I would say has an incredibly low level of spiritual health. Would they enjoy watching such things happen to Jesus when He was tortured first, then killed in the ancient world's most feared method of execution? (Hopefully and) obviously not - in that case, why in the world would they take enjoyment or entertainment in watching people being maimed and brutalized in movies like Saw?

Slasher flicks (Saw, Scream, other stupid movies) are probably in the lowest of my movie-genre ratings. Just because a movie that features horrific deaths might be "artistically" done, or have a "complex" story to it, doesn't mean it's a good movie. Just because you came up with a plot about "death's design" doesn't mean your movie is suddenly awesome for showing people get hit by buses or heads cut in half by trains (Final Destination). In that case, any movie of "artistic" or "complex" proportions could be considered good, despite how much violence it uses to get the audience excited. Throw caution to the wind then! Any movie that is "artistic" or "complex" and features a bunch of sex is good too! And drug movies!

Of course, I don't believe they're good movies.

HisLove
Oct 24th 2008, 09:54 PM
theres one coming out soon. not a horror movie. a movie about vampires in love. its originally a book being made into a movie, a big hit with young adults and teens. its called Twilight. has anyone heard about this movie?

ilovemetal
Oct 25th 2008, 12:32 AM
theres one coming out soon. not a horror movie. a movie about vampires in love. its originally a book being made into a movie, a big hit with young adults and teens. its called Twilight. has anyone heard about this movie?

i have.
it's awsomeness is to be determined....

Ayala
Oct 25th 2008, 01:45 AM
I wouldn't put Twilight anywhere near the horror genre.

Lol my cousin is tryin to hook me up with one of her friends and we're supposed to go see this movie.

Levin
Oct 25th 2008, 10:48 AM
To cast some scripture on the subject:

Philippians 4:8

Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

I cannot see how any horror movie can honestly fit into any of these categories. Besides, they are certainly not pure or lovely, and I (personally) consider it a sin to subject myself to things like horror movies.


It's not so much the blood and torture or whatever that's awesome, but it's the thrill of being scared. It's an adreneline [sic] rush.
Since when was fear something to be desired? I don't want to judge, but I think that something is seriously wrong with your walk with the Lord if seeing death and violence and being frightened by the unknown are your ideas of a good time. We are called to be holy, set apart from the world we live in. All around us lost people are finding pleasure in sex, drugs, money, power, fear and horror movies. It breaks my heart as friends and relatives dwindle their lives away finding pleasure and meaning in death and blood. Our only hope is that we find our pleasure in Christ, His light and purity. The world loves death and destruction, we love life and healing.

Romans 12:2

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

If you enjoy these kinds of movies, I beg you: examine your heart, and bring this before the Lord. He can fulfill the areas in which these things bring you pleasure. Don't accept the products of the world at face value; be critical and examine them to see what is profitable and what is not. Love Jesus in what movies you watch and which you refuse to see.

Sincerely,
Levin

Buzzword
Oct 25th 2008, 03:07 PM
SAW IS NOT A SLASHER MOVIE.

Just had to get that out of my system.


I enjoyed the first two Saw movies, mainly because they do have a definite message: How far would you be willing to go to preserve your own life?

There's not a huge body count, no entrails hanging about, just real people in an extraordinary circumstance forcing each member of the audience to ask his/herself "What would I do?"

That is the psychological aspect of it.
Not watching scores of stock characters get hacked to death as the audience laughs because that's one less annoying brat in the world (which is what slasher movies have become), but real people in a horrific situation, reacting in different ways to their predicament just like any of us would.


I also enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, again for the psychological analysis it portrays through Hannibal Lector (haven't seen Hannibal yet).


Haaaaaate zombie movies, though.
At least, well-made gritty ones that don't make you instantly wish for all of the characters to be undead bait as soon as possible (you know, all THREE of them).

I watched the remake of Dawn of the Dead in my dorm room at night, and couldn't sleep for a week without putting a chair in front of the door because you just never know if tomorrow...

Lucariokid13
Oct 25th 2008, 03:32 PM
I sympathize with u buzzword. have u ever seen silence of the lambs? or the chainsaw massacare...that still scares me to this day. :cry:
Im not even 14 but ive seen a quite alot of them.

CoffeeCat
Oct 25th 2008, 03:41 PM
My favourite horror movies are "The Others", "IT", "Ghost Ship", "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte", and "Shawn of the Dead", the last of which is the goofiest zombie movie ever and isn't true horror. :lol: I like a good horror movie with a decent plotline to it! I don't like excessive gore at ALL. A bit... well, I can overlook it. I don't like to see brutality for the sake of brutality, whether it's a drama or a horror movie or whatever. I didn't like Passion of the Christ. It was too much to see, for me.

I REALLY prefer the psychological aspect of horror more than anything!

The fact that a lot of people really like a good deal of gore in their movies doesn't surprise me at all. The tendency to think of gore as entertainment is NOTHING new -- horror movies today are just a new spin on the old gladiator games people went to a few thousand years ago. Or on the "Christians and Lions" matches people attended. Or the public executions which used to be popular for people to attend. It seems that people have always liked these things, for some odd reason..... but I'm not one of them. ;)

CoffeeCat
Oct 25th 2008, 03:44 PM
Speaking of horror movies...

A friend showed me a video called "Scary Mary" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic ) which is a new horror spin on an old movie. Enjoy, if you'd like. :lol:

Lucariokid13
Oct 25th 2008, 04:21 PM
Speaking of horror movies...

A friend showed me a video called "Scary Mary" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic ) which is a new horror spin on an old movie. Enjoy, if you'd like. :lol:

Oh my gosh thats soo funny. Btw i love shawn of the dead too, simon pegg is a legend.

the inside out
Oct 25th 2008, 05:32 PM
I also enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, again for the psychological analysis it portrays through Hannibal Lector (haven't seen Hannibal yet).

I can quote Silence of the Lambs from beginning to end. It's one of the few movies I can watch over and over again. It's kind of sad. But there's a lot to learn in that movie. The part where he talks about simplicty at the end helped me to understand sin. I'm not joking.

Buzzword
Oct 25th 2008, 05:40 PM
I can quote Silence of the Lambs from beginning to end. It's one of the few movies I can watch over and over again. It's kind of sad. But there's a lot to learn in that movie. The part where he talks about simplicty at the end helped me to understand sin. I'm not joking.

Yeah, I liked that part too.

The idea that every sin we commit boils down to a simple, initial action of the mind.

JesusMySavior
Oct 29th 2008, 03:04 AM
I'm sure God will work on their hearts in time, and yours as well...

but most if not all horror movies have satanic and sorceric undertones. I used to be a horror fanatic. They're addicting and the heart racing bone chilling effect you get from them can be attractive. The problem is, it all deals with cruel violence, torture, and captivity. Most often times it goes hand in hand with explicit sexual scenes and undertones of satanism.

It's amazing now after God has opened my eyes I am able to see what is going on with these mainstream flicks - captivating the minds of teens and adults, to get them curious and into witchcraft. It's one of the enemy's tools. Looking back now I see how many times I've watched horror movies that were filled with many satanic rituals, sorcery, spells, and even orgies going on in scenes of the movie. This might be too old for some of you, but "The Howling" series is especially satanic, as I can remember explicit sex and satanic rituals with blood sacrifices and covens in them. That's deep stuff. In fact its straight out witchcraft. And I was watching this when I was 7!

Now as far as just gorey and spooky movies, I believe we are to think on noble things, right? And didn't david declare in the Psalms that he would "set no vile thing before his eyes"?

And here I sit, convicted of video games I've been playing lately. Man.

Be blessed.

BrckBrln
Oct 29th 2008, 03:13 AM
I just watched the directors cut of Alien. Those aliens really freak me out. If I'm not mistaken I think they are based on an actual animal that lives in the ocean. I thought I read that once. :dunno:

Luke34
Oct 29th 2008, 04:54 AM
The problem with "torture porn" films, I think, isn't so much that they depict human suffering--for there is no reason I can see that emotional/psychological suffering in tragedies and black comedies should be acceptable while physical suffering is not. It's that the depictions of suffering aren't used to produce any effect or as a means to any end; they're just "Hey, here's this guy being tortured. Isn't that gross?" Reviewers have pointed out that in good violent horror films, the violence is meant to feel brutal, to be an emotional punch to the audience's collective stomach. In other words, it's used as a means to a tonal/emotional end. Even in exploitative horror films, the violence and gore is meant to be "fun," in the way explosions or gunfights in action blockbusters can be fun even though they involve human pain and suffering. Torture films depict brutal and un-fun suffering, but not in a way that tries to have any real effect on the viewer or the film's emotional tenor. I haven't actually seen any torture films (well, except The Passion of the Christ, but I don't want to get into that again), and I cannot imagine why I would want to. But you can't put all horror films, or violent films, or violent horror films, into the same category.

Buzzword
Oct 29th 2008, 03:41 PM
Has anyone seen the movie Hostel?

I've heard it's basically what's being described here as torture porn....just pointless pain and suffering that doesn't advance the plot or make any emotional impact.

*Hope*
Oct 29th 2008, 03:58 PM
I've heard several people refer to the "psychological" aspect of horror movies, what does this mean? Are you talking about suspense? Or are you talking about the psychological trauma you feel when you watch acts of violence and torture?

For those who enjoy these movies, do you think you have become desensitized in any way? Does it take more and more to thrill you? Do you think these movies affect how you view real human suffering?

Buzzword
Oct 29th 2008, 04:05 PM
I've heard several people refer to the "psychological" aspect of horror movies, what does this mean? Are you talking about suspense? Or are you talking about the psychological trauma you feel when you watch acts of violence and torture?

For those who enjoy these movies, do you think you have become desensitized in any way? Does it take more and more to thrill you? Do you think these movies affect how you view real human suffering?

I dunno about others, but I refer to the universal truths of the human psyche that are illustrated in the horror movies I enjoy.

IMO, good horror makes you CARE about the people involved, so that you personally sympathize with them when horrific things happen to them.

Though there's also the comedic horror, where all the characters are stereotypically annoying, and you can't wait to watch them get chopped up just so you don't have to listen to them anymore.


Aside from comedic horror which never implies anything but that it is a movie, I've never felt desensitized to human suffering, partially because I don't watch horror movies that often, and partially because I know going in that it's a MOVIE.

the inside out
Oct 29th 2008, 04:38 PM
I've heard several people refer to the "psychological" aspect of horror movies, what does this mean? Are you talking about suspense? Or are you talking about the psychological trauma you feel when you watch acts of violence and torture?

For those who enjoy these movies, do you think you have become desensitized in any way? Does it take more and more to thrill you? Do you think these movies affect how you view real human suffering?

It doesn't bother me, if you that's what you mean by desensitized. I can't watch fingers or toes being cut off, and that's the only thing. It does take a lot to get under my skin, and most of that comes from personal experience. I've seen a lot, so nothing shocks me.

It doesn't affect how I view real human suffering because there's a difference between real and Hollywood, and I know that difference. It's not real. It's all an illusion. Hollywood is one big magic trick. Drew Barrymore walked off of the "Scream" set. JonBenet didn't walk out of that basement.

Psychological doesn't mean trauma the way you mean it, but it's the nature of the film. Instead of it being physical, it's mental, not just for the character, but for the audience as well. And they're not always gore. The best one's aren't. You have Psychological Thrillers and Psychological Horrors. "Silence of the Lambs" and "The Ring" are psychological horrors. "Fight Club" and "Vertigo" are psychological thrillers.

The best two psychologcal thrillers to watch if you've never watched them before, in my opinion, is "Memento" and "Donnie Darko". Whether you think they're good movies or not is beside the point. They mess with your head, and you probably won't understand what happened once your done.



Has anyone seen the movie Hostel?

I've heard it's basically what's being described here as torture porn....just pointless pain and suffering that doesn't advance the plot or make any emotional impact.

I've never seen Hostel. Not because it's torture porn, but because they have that finger thing in the previews. I don't do fingers and toes. I can't handle it.

JesusMySavior
Oct 29th 2008, 09:27 PM
I'd say about 98% of what has been mentioned above for movies, is totally unappropriate for Christians to watch.

But then again it depends on how you define "Christian". If you are talking about Word-inspired, blood-soaked, zealous and Spirit-filled Christians, then yes. If just by term, then well I guess it doesn't matter what you do. :rolleyes:

JesusMySavior
Oct 29th 2008, 09:28 PM
The problem with "torture porn" films, I think, isn't so much that they depict human suffering--for there is no reason I can see that emotional/psychological suffering in tragedies and black comedies should be acceptable while physical suffering is not. It's that the depictions of suffering aren't used to produce any effect or as a means to any end; they're just "Hey, here's this guy being tortured. Isn't that gross?" Reviewers have pointed out that in good violent horror films, the violence is meant to feel brutal, to be an emotional punch to the audience's collective stomach. In other words, it's used as a means to a tonal/emotional end.

Even that term indicates total unrighteousness :B

Chimon
Oct 29th 2008, 09:37 PM
I agree with Levin, but I think I would prefer to look at this issue from the aspect of how it affects one's spiritual life. Does watching horror movies get you closer to Christ, or further away. Is the enjoyment you get out of it one that comes from the love and glory of God, or one that comes from satisfying your flesh?

There are some movies, that, in my opion, are edifying to me even though they are not Christian because of the mindset with which I view them. Some, on the other hand, just cause me to think worldly thoughts and crave things of the flesh, such as the praise of man, money, power, sex, etc.

How do horror movies affect your spiritual lives?

Luke34
Oct 30th 2008, 02:55 AM
Oh, and just to be clear, when I said that torture films had "problems," I meant as works of art, not as moral entities. It is possible for a film to be "immoral," I suppose, but I don't think it happens nearly as often as many people claim. And I can't speak to the "morality" of these movies without having seen them, but I can say that violence or torture does not, per se, make a film "immoral."

Ekeak
Nov 14th 2008, 10:31 PM
Would you watch Saw V if Jesus was sitting with you? Well, none of us would, but that also begs the question "Is watching gory movies a sin?"