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mdo757
Oct 28th 2008, 04:35 PM
The Morning Stars are the Seven Stars of the Seven Churches.
So who will be the Seven Lamps of the last days?

Revelation 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1. To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

Revelation 3:1. To the angel of the church in Sardis write:These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
Job 3:9
May its Morning Stars become dark; may it wait for daylight in vain and not see the first rays of dawn,...
Job 3:9 is about "The Mount of The Congregation of Zion" being saved by Yahshua in the last days.
Job 38:7
while the Morning Stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 is talking about the people in The Kingdom of God.
Job 38
31 "Can you (bind prevent) the (beautiful twinkling of the (Pleiades Seven Stars?) Can you loose the cords of (Orion The Shepherd?)
32 Can you bring forth the (constellations Morning Stars) in their seasons or lead out the (Bear Satan)with its (cubs satans?) 33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's (dominion kingdom) (over on) the earth?

Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:12 is about Israel who one laid low the nations around it. And it's self was destroyed in 133 AD.
2 Peter 1:19
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.
2 Peter 1:19 is about Yahshua saving The Seven Stars (The Mount of The Congregation Zion) in the last days.
Revelation 2:28
just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give (appoint) him the (as a) Morning Star.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and The Bright Morning Star."

markdrums
Oct 28th 2008, 05:47 PM
The Morning Stars are the Seven Stars of the Seven Churches.
So who will be the Seven Lamps of the last days?

Revelation 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1. To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

Revelation 3:1. To the angel of the church in Sardis write:These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
Job 3:9
May its Morning Stars become dark; may it wait for daylight in vain and not see the first rays of dawn,...
Job 3:9 is about "The Mount of The Congregation of Zion" being saved by Yahshua in the last days.
Job 38:7
while the Morning Stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 is talking about the people in The Kingdom of God.
Job 38
31 "Can you (bind prevent) the (beautiful twinkling of the (Pleiades Seven Stars?) Can you loose the cords of (Orion The Shepherd?)
32 Can you bring forth the (constellations Morning Stars) in their seasons or lead out the (Bear Satan)with its (cubs satans?) 33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's (dominion kingdom) (over on) the earth?

Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:12 is about Israel who one laid low the nations around it. And it's self was destroyed in 133 AD.
2 Peter 1:19
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.
2 Peter 1:19 is about Yahshua saving The Seven Stars (The Mount of The Congregation Zion) in the last days.
Revelation 2:28
just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give (appoint) him the (as a) Morning Star.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and The Bright Morning Star."

Your answer is already in your post & in the Bible.
:)

Rev 1:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#comm/4)John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

the church of Ephesus
the church in Smyrna
church in Pergamos
the church in Thyatira
the church in Sardis
the church in Philadelphia
church of the Laodiceans

So, it's not so much "Who WILL BE" the seven lampstands, but rather, who WERE the seven lampstands.... which John tells us specifically in Revelation.

mdo757
Oct 28th 2008, 08:08 PM
Your answer is already in your post & in the Bible.
:)

Rev 1:4 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#comm/4)John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

the church of Ephesus
the church in Smyrna
church in Pergamos
the church in Thyatira
the church in Sardis
the church in Philadelphia
church of the Laodiceans

So, it's not so much "Who WILL BE" the seven lampstands, but rather, who WERE the seven lampstands.... which John tells us specifically in Revelation. During that time that John wrote Revelation there were many more churches then those seven. So therfore it has to be parabolic of a future event.
Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);
<H4>Revelation 10

The Angel and the Little Scroll

1Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."</H4>

markdrums
Oct 28th 2008, 08:59 PM
During that time that John wrote Revelation there were many more churches then those seven. So therfore it has to be parabolic of a future event.
Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);
<H4>Revelation 10

The Angel and the Little Scroll

1Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."</H4>


Yes, there WERE many more churches. But not all of Revelation is about far future events.
The Return of Jesus / Judgment day / Creation of New Heaven & New Earth are all events that are still yet to come. (I don't believe that EVERYTHING is Revelation has been fulfilled)

However, John was writing specifically TO those seven churches for a reason. He was warning them of things that were about to happen. The things that MUST SOON TAKE PLACE. And mentioned that the time was "AT HAND".
If John really meant 2000+ years later, it would not have made sense to use words like soon & at hand. That would be very confusing to his readers in the first century "seven churches".

mdo757
Oct 28th 2008, 09:28 PM
Yes, there WERE many more churches. But not all of Revelation is about far future events.
The Return of Jesus / Judgment day / Creation of New Heaven & New Earth are all events that are still yet to come. (I don't believe that EVERYTHING is Revelation has been fulfilled)

However, John was writing specifically TO those seven churches for a reason. He was warning them of things that were about to happen. The things that MUST SOON TAKE PLACE. And mentioned that the time was "AT HAND".
If John really meant 2000+ years later, it would not have made sense to use words like soon & at hand. That would be very confusing to his readers in the first century "seven churches". Parables can imply and employ more than one meaning.

markdrums
Oct 28th 2008, 09:54 PM
Parables can imply and employ more than one meaning.


They can have more than one meaning... but only one at a time.
When Jesus told parables they had a specific meaning... and he never left it questionable as to what they meant.

And I don't think there's any other meaning for words like SOON & AT HAND... They mean exactly that.

So, I'm a little confused about what you're saying I guess.

mdo757
Oct 29th 2008, 03:05 AM
They can have more than one meaning... but only one at a time.
When Jesus told parables they had a specific meaning... and he never left it questionable as to what they meant.

And I don't think there's any other meaning for words like SOON & AT HAND... They mean exactly that.

So, I'm a little confused about what you're saying I guess. The bible speaks of about five different end time. And so the prophecies are on going. And prophecies do require a spirit of discernment. Or in other words a person needs to get a clue. There is rhyme and reason to scripture, it's just that it can be a hard act to follow. The fulfillment of these last days will be a long drawn out processes in our way of viewing time.
Habakkuk 2


1 I will stand at my watch
and station myself on the ramparts;
I will look to see what he will say to me,
and what answer I am to give to this complaint. The LORD's Answer

2 Then the LORD replied:
"Write down the revelation
and make it plain on tablets
so that a herald (messenger) may run with it.
3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
it speaks of the end
and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it;
it will certainly come and will not delay.
The time of the end will go beyond what Christians now think.