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Texasgirl2008
Oct 29th 2008, 05:16 PM
I am new here and struggling with all of the End of Times talk. I am a Christian and I know that I shouldn't. I am church of Christ. I worry about my family that has not obeyed the gospel. This has caused huge conflict between my husband and I because I am worried. I can't eat or sleep. I want us to have kids and things like that should I skip it? There are people in here that talk like it will be before the end of November. I believe that while we are in the end of times that we don't measure time as God does.

Ethnikos
Oct 29th 2008, 06:06 PM
This has caused huge conflict between my husband and I because I am worried. If you fellowship with other Christians, my advice is to not talk about it with them. That is one good thing about a forum where you are anonymous, because we do not know your husband.
I had a girlfriend who was going to a fellowship and when I finally went one time, they acted like they hated me and were surprised to find out I was actually a Christian. My guess is she was going and not inviting me, so she could act like I was some sort of bad person.
I am not saying you are like that but you do not want to make people be prejudiced against your husband. There was a case like that at my church, where a woman was complaining about her non-believing husband. When he did come over to Christ, he was afraid to go to church because he figured people would not like him.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 29th 2008, 06:21 PM
I am new here and struggling with all of the End of Times talk. I am a Christian and I know that I shouldn't. I am church of Christ. I worry about my family that has not obeyed the gospel. This has caused huge conflict between my husband and I because I am worried. I can't eat or sleep. I want us to have kids and things like that should I skip it? There are people in here that talk like it will be before the end of November. I believe that while we are in the end of times that we don't measure time as God does.Howdy, fellow Texan! :D

My personal opinion is that we still have a number of years to go yet. There are others here that would say we've got even longer than that. Then there are the ones who have the proverbial suitcases packed and sitting next to the door right now. We really don't know anything for certain at this point, only that Jesus is coming at some point. The best thing for you to do is to go on with your life, just like the New Testament describes for us and to be the wife and mother that you have been called to be.

I Thessalonians 5:8-9 - "Let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Semi-tortured
Oct 29th 2008, 06:34 PM
Let's put it this way Texasgirl. If I told you the world was going to end 50 years from now, would you still have kids? Truth is (assuming you're around 30, I have no idea) the world will end in about 50 years for you even if Christ isn't coming back for another 10,000. Your world could end tomorrow in a train wreck, car crash or slipping on a puddle in your kitchen and cracking your head open. Are you letting any of those things stop you from having kids?

Instead of concentrating on one possible way (rapture/Christ returning)your world could end, concentrate on living each day. Have your kids. Maybe they survive the tribulation and get to greet Jesus as he sets down on the Mount of Olives. Nobody knows when the end will come.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 29th 2008, 06:40 PM
I would also point out that, from a Christian's point of view, the Tribulation is NOT the end of the world - it's the beginning! :D

Texasgirl2008
Oct 29th 2008, 07:02 PM
Ok let me clarify, my husband is a very Christian man but he thinks the fact that I worry about it is a sin and the way I internalize things he is probably right. I guess just with election and the fact that this doomsday talking woman comes to my desk on a regular basis has caused me to kind of lose my way. I am continually praying about it. Please pray for me. By the way to who said they are assuming I am about 30, I am actually exactly 30:). I am trying to do my best as a Christian wife and sometimes I fail. I was baptized a little less than a year ago. In the Church of Christ we do what is called a 5 part study on the road to being baptized. An elder from our church who is an evangelist and conducted my study told me the first year is the hardest year for a new Christian. I was raised southern Baptist and am now church of Christ and sometimes those doctorines don't intermingle too well. I walked the aisle when I was 11 and baptized but fell away during a bad marriage. When my husband and I now got married I started having questions. He was mad a God at that point I think. I don't really know that is between him and God. When I started asking questions my mother-in-law came and took me to the church we go now and by the next Wednesday my husband and I were in church together and have been ever since. While my mother-in-law doesn't speak to me now (she has a mental disorder so I just do what I can by praying for her) I thank her for that.

Ethnikos
Oct 29th 2008, 07:16 PM
Maybe you should tell your friend that she is stressing you out. Or just say that you understand everything she says and can go about what you have to do without any further prodding.
Not sleeping weakens your immune system and you need to keep yourself occupied and not do so much internalizing. I am great at that and put myself in the hospital five times. When you get a bad feeling in your gut, you have to immediately stop thinking about whatever you are thinking about.
I was 30 when I first made myself sick. It took me another twenty to figure out how to stop making myself sick. Ask your husband to help you get more sleep and that might help. You get into a vicious circle where you worry and loose sleep and that makes you less able to control your thoughts and then you worry more and so on, until you end up dead or in the hospital. Well maybe not you, it manifests itself differently in each person but it does negatively affect you.

danielh41
Oct 29th 2008, 07:27 PM
I am new here and struggling with all of the End of Times talk. I am a Christian and I know that I shouldn't. I am church of Christ. I worry about my family that has not obeyed the gospel. This has caused huge conflict between my husband and I because I am worried. I can't eat or sleep. I want us to have kids and things like that should I skip it? There are people in here that talk like it will be before the end of November. I believe that while we are in the end of times that we don't measure time as God does.

You know, people in the year 70 thought that Christ's return was imminent, and people in the year 1000 thought His return was imminent. I happen to believe that we aren't far off, but nobody but the Father really knows for sure. So I would say live your life how God would have you live it, and leave the rest up to Him.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 29th 2008, 07:32 PM
This doomsday talking woman comes to my desk on a regular basis.Is she a Christian? If so, ask her why she shouldn't look forward to the 2nd Coming. Yeah, it'll be tough for a few years, but afterward, we get to enjoy 1000 years of peace and prosperity and the best part is that Jesus will be right here on the earth with us! That hardly sounds like something to get down about to me. This doomsday woman needs to start looking more than 12 inches in front of her toes.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 29th 2008, 07:33 PM
You know, people in the year 70 thought that Christ's return was imminent, and people in the year 1000 thought His return was imminent. I happen to believe that we aren't far off, but nobody but the Father really knows for sure. So I would say live your life how God would have you live it, and leave the rest up to Him.Another voice of reason, thank you. :thumbsup:

thepenitent
Oct 29th 2008, 08:22 PM
Remember this, when Jesus came the first time it was different from what almost everybody (except the prophets) was expecting. I think it will be the same with his second coming. Too many theologins and Godly Pastors I respect are all over the board on this issue for me to put my feet in concrete on any one doctrine. Every generation since Jesus has thought it was the last before the second coming and eventually one will be right.

quiet dove
Oct 29th 2008, 08:44 PM
Ok let me clarify, my husband is a very Christian man but he thinks the fact that I worry about it is a sin and the way I internalize things he is probably right. I guess just with election and the fact that this doomsday talking woman comes to my desk on a regular basis has caused me to kind of lose my way. I am continually praying about it. Please pray for me. By the way to who said they are assuming I am about 30, I am actually exactly 30:). I am trying to do my best as a Christian wife and sometimes I fail. I was baptized a little less than a year ago. In the Church of Christ we do what is called a 5 part study on the road to being baptized. An elder from our church who is an evangelist and conducted my study told me the first year is the hardest year for a new Christian. I was raised southern Baptist and am now church of Christ and sometimes those doctorines don't intermingle too well. I walked the aisle when I was 11 and baptized but fell away during a bad marriage. When my husband and I now got married I started having questions. He was mad a God at that point I think. I don't really know that is between him and God. When I started asking questions my mother-in-law came and took me to the church we go now and by the next Wednesday my husband and I were in church together and have been ever since. While my mother-in-law doesn't speak to me now (she has a mental disorder so I just do what I can by praying for her) I thank her for that.


Hi Texasgirl,

Tell the doomsday lady that God is in control and you are in God's hands. Nothing happens to the world until Christ says so. And if need be tell her to stop with her updates. You may actually find she is more scared than you are, thus the need to discuss it. She may be looking to you for courage, never can tell sometimes.

Also, my suggestion would be to concetrate on your relationship with Christ. Much time in prayer and Bible study. Put all your concerns before Him in prayer and allow Him to lead you on, day by day.

All this end time stuff can be overwhelming, take that fear and questions to Him in prayer. It is ok to be scared, it is not wise to ignore the One who can give you peace. Prayer and Bible study, allow Him to lead you on, He will not let you down.

And of course we are all here and you are welcome to talk to us. Regardless of our different views, none of us like to see anyone overly stressed with end times things. Most of us have been where you are, so it's ok, and we will try to help you find balance.:hug:

Matt14
Oct 29th 2008, 08:55 PM
Ok let me clarify, my husband is a very Christian man but he thinks the fact that I worry about it is a sin and the way I internalize things he is probably right. I guess just with election and the fact that this doomsday talking woman comes to my desk on a regular basis has caused me to kind of lose my way. I am continually praying about it. Please pray for me. By the way to who said they are assuming I am about 30, I am actually exactly 30:). I am trying to do my best as a Christian wife and sometimes I fail. I was baptized a little less than a year ago. In the Church of Christ we do what is called a 5 part study on the road to being baptized. An elder from our church who is an evangelist and conducted my study told me the first year is the hardest year for a new Christian. I was raised southern Baptist and am now church of Christ and sometimes those doctorines don't intermingle too well. I walked the aisle when I was 11 and baptized but fell away during a bad marriage. When my husband and I now got married I started having questions. He was mad a God at that point I think. I don't really know that is between him and God. When I started asking questions my mother-in-law came and took me to the church we go now and by the next Wednesday my husband and I were in church together and have been ever since. While my mother-in-law doesn't speak to me now (she has a mental disorder so I just do what I can by praying for her) I thank her for that.
Hello Texasgirl2008,

I've been on this board for about 5 years, and rarely check in these days. For some reason, I checked in today and saw your post. I am an evangelist among the churches of Christ.

What you are experiencing is not uncommon! I've talked to many, many people lately who are concerned about the times in which we live. This election coming up is an added stress.

One thing we need to remember: Jesus told us that no one knows the day when He will return, not even the Son (Matt. 24:36). Certainly not this one woman who approaches you at your desk!

What we have to remember is that Christ has won the victory, so whether the end comes now, or hundreds of years from now, we just have to trust in Him.

Now, as for your family, have you talked to them about their spiritual condition? The thought of death, dying and the judgment is a major motivator sometimes toward evangelism. If there is anything I can do to help you, just let me know.

Saved!
Oct 29th 2008, 09:08 PM
Texasgirl,

First of all...you are not alone in how you are feeling. Many of us go through periods of fear over the Endtimes. It is human nature to fear change, and the unknown. I go through periods of intense fear, followed by overwhelming peace.

I am not afraid to die. I am not afraid to go home to be with Jesus. Infact, I look forward to that day.

So, my fears are of facing the unknown and having to watch my family go through the tribulation. I could face anything alone.

Should you have kids? I don't know. Should I stay in college fulltime while I am working fulltime and raising my family? I don't know. But, I still do it.

I once heard a preacher say that he was so convinced that the end was coming very soon back in the 1970s that he actually built his home on a cheap wooden foundation. He said that he now regrets that decision!!!!

In other words, live like the world may end tomorrow...but plan on being here for 50 more years!

And, the other posters were correct....for you-for any of us-the Endtimes could come with a simple accident or health condition. Noboby, nobody has any guarrantees.

My Dad was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumor almost 2 years ago. He has had some rough times....but when he was first diagnosed he thought he'd be gone in six months-but he is still here and enjoying life. None of us have a clue when our end will come.

Texasgirl, ask God to educate you about the Endtimes...but to lessen your fear, and bring you peace. I ask him for peace about this subject several times a day.

Visit the forums often and vent when you need to. We've all been there!

Texasgirl2008
Oct 29th 2008, 09:12 PM
Matt14 thank you for your post.

My dad always told me (while he has now fallen away and I don't know where he is) during the whole Y2K thing, he said do you really thing He is coming back while everyone is looking up waiting on him? He said the Bible says "he will come as a theif in the night".

As for my family, I have a set of grandparents that are as Southern Baptist as they come. One of them is glad I found my way back to church the other wasn't to happy about my conversion to C of C. My other set of grandparents choose to ignore the fact that God is around. Not that they don't believe.

I was raised going to church every time the doors opened. When I was 25 my parents got divorced. My dad was a deacon prior to the divorce and I don't think has been to church since. He is now remarried and lives in Pennsylvania and wants nothing to do with me. My mom who raised me quite well, is now living with a man she is not married to and the man is not divorced. Her boyfriend says when my husband and I talk about church, even if it is just we went to lunch with "so and so from church" he says well religion may be fine for you but it not for me. At that point my mother stops the discussion so as not to make him mad.

My mother-in-law who helped me in the beginning once she figured out I was staying (my husband and I have been married for 14 months and he did not marry until he was 35) she has decided I am horrible and she refuses to forgive me for something. She puts on the act and goes to church all the time (according to my sister-in-law that lives in the same town) but still is not very nice to any of us. Her husband I think has given up on going to church but I don't know that for sure. My father-in-law who was a leader in church during my husband's childhood has fallen away because his wife has a problem with God. The man has quoted almost the whole Bible to me word for word but this is still the situation.

So you can see why I am so concerned about my family.

Matt14
Oct 29th 2008, 09:19 PM
Matt14 thank you for your post.

My dad always told me (while he has now fallen away and I don't know where he is) during the whole Y2K thing, he said do you really thing He is coming back while everyone is looking up waiting on him? He said the Bible says "he will come as a theif in the night".

As for my family, I have a set of grandparents that are as Southern Baptist as they come. One of them is glad I found my way back to church the other wasn't to happy about my conversion to C of C. My other set of grandparents choose to ignore the fact that God is around. Not that they don't believe.

I was raised going to church every time the doors opened. When I was 25 my parents got divorced. My dad was a deacon prior to the divorce and I don't think has been to church since. He is now remarried and lives in Pennsylvania and wants nothing to do with me. My mom who raised me quite well, is now living with a man she is not married to and the man is not divorced. Her boyfriend says when my husband and I talk about church, even if it is just we went to lunch with "so and so from church" he says well religion may be fine for you but it not for me. At that point my mother stops the discussion so as not to make him mad.

My mother-in-law who helped me in the beginning once she figured out I was staying (my husband and I have been married for 14 months and he did not marry until he was 35) she has decided I am horrible and she refuses to forgive me for something. She puts on the act and goes to church all the time (according to my sister-in-law that lives in the same town) but still is not very nice to any of us. Her husband I think has given up on going to church but I don't know that for sure. My father-in-law who was a leader in church during my husband's childhood has fallen away because his wife has a problem with God. The man has quoted almost the whole Bible to me word for word but this is still the situation.

So you can see why I am so concerned about my family.
Yes, I can see why you are concerned. But again, your situation is not uncommon. :)

If you could reach just one of your family members with the gospel, who would it be?

Ethnikos
Oct 29th 2008, 09:22 PM
So you can see why I am so concerned about my family.
You have some good examples of how not to get, meaning you need to help your husband up, instead of having him take you down, not that it would happen, but you can see what to avoid.

Texasgirl2008
Oct 29th 2008, 09:26 PM
Matt14 I don't know who it would be. I don't worry about my grandparents that are Baptist. I worry about my mom mostly but she can get pretty testy when I bring it up. She has chosen this man over me (and God for that matter) more than once.

Yes to the poster about my husband and I, my husband told me last night that he appreciated me helping him back into the church. We discussed that we have eachother and all we can really do is pray about it and try to be good examples.

Oh one more thing we attend a church of Christ that doesn't have a preacher. Different men preach each service. My husband had said a while back that he would like to do that. At the time he was changing jobs and working nights so he decided it probably wasn't the best thing to do at the time. My mother did say if my husband preached that she would come to hear him preach. I just pray for that day.

wombat
Oct 29th 2008, 09:29 PM
Is she a Christian? If so, ask her why she shouldn't look forward to the 2nd Coming. Yeah, it'll be tough for a few years, but afterward, we get to enjoy 1000 years of peace and prosperity and the best part is that Jesus will be right here on the earth with us! That hardly sounds like something to get down about to me.
This is a very good point, Literalist-Luke! Jesus has promised a wonderful future for us believers, and I think that is what many of us too often forget.

Matt14
Oct 29th 2008, 09:33 PM
Matt14 I don't know who it would be. I don't worry about my grandparents that are Baptist. I worry about my mom mostly but she can get pretty testy when I bring it up. She has chosen this man over me (and God for that matter) more than once.

Yes to the poster about my husband and I, my husband told me last night that he appreciated me helping him back into the church. We discussed that we have eachother and all we can really do is pray about it and try to be good examples.

Oh one more thing we attend a church of Christ that doesn't have a preacher. Different men preach each service. My husband had said a while back that he would like to do that. At the time he was changing jobs and working nights so he decided it probably wasn't the best thing to do at the time. My mother did say if my husband preached that she would come to hear him preach. I just pray for that day.
It's good that you and your husband lean on each other, and together lean on God. Strengthen your marriage and home, and branch out from there. Enlist the support of your elders and minister in reaching out to your family. Look for opportunities for the church to help them in any way possible.

One thing is for certain: When it comes to evangelism, you can never go wrong if you are doing all you can. :)

wombat
Oct 29th 2008, 09:42 PM
My dad always told me (while he has now fallen away and I don't know where he is) during the whole Y2K thing, he said do you really thing He is coming back while everyone is looking up waiting on him? He said the Bible says "he will come as a theif in the night". As for my family, I have a set of grandparents that are as Southern Baptist as they come. One of them is glad I found my way back to church the other wasn't to happy about my conversion to C of C. My other set of grandparents choose to ignore the fact that God is around. Not that they don't believe. I was raised going to church every time the doors opened. When I was 25 my parents got divorced. My dad was a deacon prior to the divorce and I don't think has been to church since. He is now remarried and lives in Pennsylvania and wants nothing to do with me. My mom who raised me quite well, is now living with a man she is not married to and the man is not divorced. Her boyfriend says when my husband and I talk about church, even if it is just we went to lunch with "so and so from church" he says well religion may be fine for you but it not for me. At that point my mother stops the discussion so as not to make him mad. My mother-in-law who helped me in the beginning once she figured out I was staying (my husband and I have been married for 14 months and he did not marry until he was 35) she has decided I am horrible and she refuses to forgive me for something. She puts on the act and goes to church all the time (according to my sister-in-law that lives in the same town) but still is not very nice to any of us. Her husband I think has given up on going to church but I don't know that for sure. My father-in-law who was a leader in church during my husband's childhood has fallen away because his wife has a problem with God. The man has quoted almost the whole Bible to me word for word but this is still the situation.
So you can see why I am so concerned about my family.
Hi, Texasgirl2008! You know what this looks like to me? It looks to me like God has great plans for using you for His glory! He has put quite a field before you to start plowing into and planting good seeds. Don't fear about anything, Texasgirl2008--but pray for all of these people often and be prepared for God to use you as a witness to them. Show them God's love even when they do not show you love. The Lord will strengthen you for any task He is calling you to do.

Walking the Walk
Oct 29th 2008, 09:59 PM
Hi Texas,

I just signed up tonight but my brother, who came back to the Lord a few short months ago, goes onto this site, so I wanted to check it out. It's actually a good idea to have sites like this for us Christians because the internet is usually so full of junk.

In response to your post...I view mostly everything that I go through in a Spiritual perspective. That is, every day I have to think upon a Scripture that will give me the answer to the problems of every day life. In reference to end times...it's Biblical as well. The Bible says that things will get bad as the time draws near to the coming of Christ but the Bible also gives lots of Scripture that should encourage us. For one thing, it says ... "and it came to pass...." so thankfully, our trials are temporary. Also, we are His and as long as we are trusting and being obedient to Him, He will see us through and He is in control, no matter what....maybe next time I can give you some Scriptures. But in the meantime, I'll pray for you.

Hope this helps.

WTW

Veretax
Oct 30th 2008, 01:33 PM
Ok let me clarify, my husband is a very Christian man but he thinks the fact that I worry about it is a sin and the way I internalize things he is probably right. I guess just with election and the fact that this doomsday talking woman comes to my desk on a regular basis has caused me to kind of lose my way. I am continually praying about it. Please pray for me. By the way to who said they are assuming I am about 30, I am actually exactly 30:). I am trying to do my best as a Christian wife and sometimes I fail. I was baptized a little less than a year ago. In the Church of Christ we do what is called a 5 part study on the road to being baptized. An elder from our church who is an evangelist and conducted my study told me the first year is the hardest year for a new Christian. I was raised southern Baptist and am now church of Christ and sometimes those doctorines don't intermingle too well. I walked the aisle when I was 11 and baptized but fell away during a bad marriage. When my husband and I now got married I started having questions. He was mad a God at that point I think. I don't really know that is between him and God. When I started asking questions my mother-in-law came and took me to the church we go now and by the next Wednesday my husband and I were in church together and have been ever since. While my mother-in-law doesn't speak to me now (she has a mental disorder so I just do what I can by praying for her) I thank her for that.

My first advice to you is to ignore the scoffers and alarmists. Focus on your walk with God. The best way to do this is daily seek him in the Word, and through prayer. Look for what God says, not what any one denomination or another says, look for what the Bible says. His spirit will then lead you in truth. Don't worry about what things you know from your upbringing and present church membership. If you are in the word, God will increase your knowledge and wisdom of scripture in time. For now, don't let the naysayers and alarmists toss you about as a wave on the tempest of life.

That's my advice. As a young believer, the end times stuff can seem awfully daunting. Don't focus on knowing it in totality. Just know that Christ is returning and let him reveal to you through scripture how the end times happen, but don't stress or frett about it. What was it Paul wrote? To live is Christ, and to die is gain? That's how we should live. I pray that the Lord gives you the courage and strength to endure what is being thrown at you.

Texasgirl2008
Oct 30th 2008, 06:42 PM
See the more election news I hear the more anxiety I feel. Then even when I have come to a peace it all starts in my head again.:giveup:

Matt14
Oct 30th 2008, 06:45 PM
My wife is having a similar problem. My advice? Turn off the TV, get off the internet, and go do something unexpected and nice for someone you don't really care for much. :)

Pray, read your Bible, especially the 13th chapter of Romans, and wait. It'll be over in a few more days.

Texasgirl2008
Oct 30th 2008, 06:48 PM
Well I am at least glad to know that I am not the only one. That make me not feel quite as crazy. Matt14 I have yet to figure out how to send a private message on this board but may I ask where you are an evalgelist?

Matt14
Oct 30th 2008, 06:58 PM
You have to have been a member for a certain number of days before you can use the PM function. I will be glad to tell you privately when your PM begins to work. But I preach in Arkansas. :)

Texasgirl2008
Oct 30th 2008, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the information. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work and I couldn't even view my own profile.

Matt14
Oct 30th 2008, 07:20 PM
It used to be either a week or 10 days, so you've got a few days. :)

Literalist-Luke
Oct 30th 2008, 07:45 PM
It's 30 days and 40 posts now.

Matt14
Oct 30th 2008, 07:51 PM
30 days! Whoa! Spamming must have gotten really bad since I was a mod.

Literalist-Luke
Oct 31st 2008, 04:48 PM
It's 30 days and 40 posts now.I was wrong, it's 7 days and 10 posts. Sorry 'bout that. :blush:

Veretax
Oct 31st 2008, 04:58 PM
When i registered it said 30 days. I've been hear almost 2 weeks now, and I don't see any PM options yet. Oh... nevermind.. I found it LOL (am used to having it near the top of the options :D