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iyulchik
Nov 5th 2008, 01:12 PM
In Geneses 37, it talks about when Joseph's brothers wanted to kill him. In verses 21 and 22, it says that Reuben told his brothers not to kill him. Why?

Did he love Joseph?
Did he want to earn back points with his father that he'd lost before?
Did he just not like killing?

What do you think?

Firstfruits
Nov 5th 2008, 01:51 PM
In Geneses 37, it talks about when Joseph's brothers wanted to kill him. In verses 21 and 22, it says that Reuben told his brothers not to kill him. Why?

Did he love Joseph?
Did he want to earn back points with his father that he'd lost before?
Did he just not like killing?

What do you think?

The following scriptures give the answer;

Gen 37:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=37&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.

Gen 37:29 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=37&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=29) And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes.

Gen 42:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=42&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required.

It was already wrong to want to be rid of Joseph, and to kill Joseph would have been even worse. Reuben also planned to rescue Joseph.

I hope that helps?

Firstfruits

karenoka27
Nov 5th 2008, 01:54 PM
Genesis 35:22-"While Israel was living in that region, Reuben went in and slept with his father's concubine Bilhah, and Israel heard of it."

Yes, he may have wanted to be on his father's good side. Had he saved Joseph, Joseph may have gone to his father and told him what his brothers have done. Then he would have told them that Rueben was the only one that came to his rescue.

Later we see Reuben again:
Genesis 42:37-Then Reuben said to his father, "You may put both of my sons to death if I do not bring him back to you. Entrust him to my care, and I will bring him back."

iyulchik
Nov 5th 2008, 02:41 PM
The following scriptures give the answer;

Gen 37:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=37&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.

Gen 37:29 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=37&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=29) And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes.

Gen 42:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=42&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required.

It was already wrong to want to be rid of Joseph, and to kill Joseph would have been even worse. Reuben also planned to rescue Joseph.

I hope that helps?

Firstfruits


Thanks. :) But why did he plan to rescue Joseph? It's something that caught my eye a few months ago but had forgotten about my question until I read it again recently.

Firstfruits
Nov 5th 2008, 04:00 PM
Thanks. :) But why did he plan to rescue Joseph? It's something that caught my eye a few months ago but had forgotten about my question until I read it again recently.

He wanted to return Joseph to his father;

Gen 37:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=1&CHAP=37&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.

Firstfruits

Levin
Nov 6th 2008, 08:00 AM
I think that Reuben was trying to regain some kind of credibility with his father, which he had lost when he slept with his father's concubine(Gen 35:22). I really think that Reuben is trying to gain favor in the sight of his father, but this doesn't work as his father curses him in Gen 49.

Kudo Shinichi
Nov 6th 2008, 01:16 PM
I guess Reuben and his brothers were jealous that Israel spend too much attention and time with Joseph...he don't want to kill Joseph because GOD was at work with Joseph dream.


In Geneses 37, it talks about when Joseph's brothers wanted to kill him. In verses 21 and 22, it says that Reuben told his brothers not to kill him. Why?

Did he love Joseph?
Did he want to earn back points with his father that he'd lost before?
Did he just not like killing?

What do you think?