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seeker_truth
Nov 13th 2008, 10:49 PM
What are your thoughts on the Assyrian in Isa.10:12, 14:25?

Do you view him as past or future?

Isa.10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his WHOLE WORK upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria , and the glory of his high looks.

Isa.14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in MY land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

snt

markedward
Nov 14th 2008, 02:44 AM
Past. There is no legitimate reason to think of it as the future.

Read 2 Kings 16 and 2 Chronicles 28.
These describe Israel (the Northern Kingdom) and Syria coming against Judah (the Southern Kingdom), and how Ahaz, king of Judah, sent for the king of Assyria to help him defend against Israel and Syria.

Read Isaiah 7-8, all in context.

Isaiah 7 directly tells us that Isaiah was a contemporary of King Ahaz. Isaiah 7 specifically mentions Syria and Ephraim (another name for Israel, the northern kingdom), and it specifically mentions their respective kings. Isaiah 7:14-17 directly tells us that a son was to be born as a sign to King Ahaz that the "two kingdoms" (Israel/Ephraim and Syria) would be defeated.

Isaiah 8 shows us the birth of this son. Isaiah 8:3-4 directly parallels Isaiah 7:14-17 to show us that the son found in chapter 8 is the fulfillment of the prophecy made in chapter 7. Isaiah 8 tells us that Assyria was to come to defeat Israel and Syria.

Isaiah 10 prophecies that Assyria will likewise be judged for its sins. This is not referring to an event beyond the time of Jesus. It was prophesying events that would happen within the next so-many years.

Isaiah prophesied about Assyria coming to bring God's judgment upon Israel and Syria, and then that the king of Assyria would be judged by God afterwards. This is consistent with Ezekiel's prophecies about Babylon coming to bring God's judgment upon Judah and then that the king of Babylon would be judged by God afterwards.

Literalist-Luke
Nov 14th 2008, 05:45 AM
Past. There is no legitimate reason to think of it as the future.

Read 2 Kings 16 and 2 Chronicles 28.
These describe Israel (the Northern Kingdom) and Syria coming against Judah (the Southern Kingdom), and how Ahaz, king of Judah, sent for the king of Assyria to help him defend against Israel and Syria.

Read Isaiah 7-8, all in context.

Isaiah 7 directly tells us that Isaiah was a contemporary of King Ahaz. Isaiah 7 specifically mentions Syria and Ephraim (another name for Israel, the northern kingdom), and it specifically mentions their respective kings. Isaiah 7:14-17 directly tells us that a son was to be born as a sign to King Ahaz that the "two kingdoms" (Israel/Ephraim and Syria) would be defeated.

Isaiah 8 shows us the birth of this son. Isaiah 8:3-4 directly parallels Isaiah 7:14-17 to show us that the son found in chapter 8 is the fulfillment of the prophecy made in chapter 7. Isaiah 8 tells us that Assyria was to come to defeat Israel and Syria.

Isaiah 10 prophecies that Assyria will likewise be judged for its sins. This is not referring to an event beyond the time of Jesus. It was prophesying events that would happen within the next so-many years.

Isaiah prophesied about Assyria coming to bring God's judgment upon Israel and Syria, and then that the king of Assyria would be judged by God afterwards. This is consistent with Ezekiel's prophecies about Babylon coming to bring God's judgment upon Judah and then that the king of Babylon would be judged by God afterwards.I saw your post here and was starting to angrily stab the "Quote" button with my mouse, but then I started thinking, "Wait a minute, markedward might actually be on to something here."

And you know what, it actually makes some sense what you're saying since the very same Isaiah later on tells the story about how the entire Assyrian army was obliterated in Israel in one night by an angel.

So I guess the big question, then, would be what to make of the nationality of the Antichrist. :hmm:

DurbanDude
Nov 14th 2008, 09:30 AM
I saw your post here and was starting to angrily stab the "Quote" button with my mouse, but then I started thinking, "Wait a minute, markedward might actually be on to something here."

And you know what, it actually makes some sense what you're saying since the very same Isaiah later on tells the story about how the entire Assyrian army was obliterated in Israel in one night by an angel.

So I guess the big question, then, would be what to make of the nationality of the Antichrist. :hmm:

Hi LL, me again , sorry

Just thought you may be interested in this Assyrian , he seems to be an AD Assyrian , not BC: Micah

5:1 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
5:4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
5:9 Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

I personally believe the antichrist has to be Jewish , because the Jews would never allow a Mahdi to exist without a pre-arranged deal that this Mahdi is their own Messiah. The bible appears to describe this antichrist as a false Jewish Messiah that deceives the Jews,at least that is the impression I get about this final antichrist. Yet he is Roman (maybe just catholic) too, because I feel that Daniel 9:26 refers to the final antichrist, despite what you say about the armies that surrounded Jerusalem actually being Arabs and not Roman. I would think that he is also Arabic, because he most likely will be the Mahdi too and Moslems would battle to accept a Jewish Mahdi , so possibly he will be a hybrid with all nations wanting a piece of him just like Obama who is American, black , African, Kenyan, white, and Beduoin so far :hmm:. Who knows , maybe Obama is a test run to see how nations react to hybrids, we can see that it is very possible, who would have thought that in the current political climate any Arab tribe would want to be associated with an American?

ross3421
Nov 14th 2008, 11:05 AM
What are your thoughts on the Assyrian in Isa.10:12, 14:25?

Do you view him as past or future?

Isa.10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his WHOLE WORK upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria , and the glory of his high looks.

Isa.14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in MY land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

snt

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seeker_truth
Nov 16th 2008, 02:11 AM
Markedward, Could you explain the "Whole Work" that God performed upon Mount Zion and upon Jerusalem during the time of King Ahaz?

snt

seeker_truth
Nov 16th 2008, 02:38 AM
I saw your post here and was starting to angrily stab the "Quote" button with my mouse, but then I started thinking, "Wait a minute, markedward might actually be on to something here."

And you know what, it actually makes some sense what you're saying since the very same Isaiah later on tells the story about how the entire Assyrian army was obliterated in Israel in one night by an angel.

So I guess the big question, then, would be what to make of the nationality of the Antichrist. :hmm:

Do you remember the blessing of Balaam, Num.24:14-24? This was a latter day prophecy that tells of Messiah, who shall come and have dominion, and shall destroy him that remianeth of the city, (Jerusalem). This blessing comes to an end with "And the ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever."

Asshur refers to the northern region of today's Iraq, while the word Eber means between two rivers, Euprates and Tigris. Is it possible that the Assyrian may actually be a future leader who comes out of a northern city of Iraq?

seeker

Literalist-Luke
Nov 16th 2008, 03:11 AM
Do you remember the blessing of Balaam, Num.24:14-24? This was a latter day prophecy that tells of Messiah, who shall come and have dominion, and shall destroy him that remianeth of the city, (Jerusalem). This blessing comes to an end with "And the ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever."

Asshur refers to the northern region of today's Iraq, while the word Eber means between two rivers, Euprates and Tigris. Is it possible that the Assyrian may actually be a future leader who comes out of a northern city of Iraq?

seeker"Eber" was also an ancestor of Abram/Abraham and was the origin for the word "Hebrew". When I was reading your reply, my first impression was that "Eber" was referring to Israel, for that reason.

seeker_truth
Nov 16th 2008, 04:34 AM
"Eber" was also an ancestor of Abram/Abraham and was the origin for the word "Hebrew". When I was reading your reply, my first impression was that "Eber" was referring to Israel, for that reason.

I use the Young's Concordance, which was never very clear on Eber, defining it as "beyond the river".

I went online and found a Rabbi who said it meant "between two rivers, the Euphrates and Tigris". I trust he knew what he was taking about...

At any rate, it fit ideally into my thoughts on the time of the end.

seeker