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Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 08:48 AM
We know that this earth is temporal, yet it has been here for thousands of years, from age to age, from generation to generation. We know however that it will someday come to an end.

If we cannot put a time limit on that which is temporal even though we know it shall end, can we therefore put a limit on that which is eternal?

2 Cor 4:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Cor 4:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Cor 5:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Jn 6:27 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Mt 6:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Mt 6:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

God bless!

Firstfruits

legoman
Nov 20th 2008, 01:35 PM
We know that this earth is temporal, yet it has been here for thousands of years, from age to age, from generation to generation. We know however that it will someday come to an end.

If we cannot put a time limit on that which is temporal even though we know it shall end, can we therefore put a limit on that which is eternal?

2 Cor 4:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Cor 4:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Cor 5:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=47&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Jn 6:27 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Mt 6:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Mt 6:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

God bless!

Firstfruits

Hi FF,

If you are looking for proof that we will live on forever and never die, this should cover it:

1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Eventually, we will be immortal. Immortality means deathlessness. We will never die because we will be immortal. Death will be destroyed (remember it gets thrown into the Lake of Fire).

Note that no one is immortal yet (except God of course):

1 Tim 6:15 which God will bring about in his own timeóGod, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Right now, God alone is immortal. We are mortal. But we shall become immortal at the resurrection of the dead.

Cheers,
Legoman

looking4jesus
Nov 20th 2008, 01:47 PM
Hi FF,

If you are looking for proof that we will live on forever and never die, this should cover it:

1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Eventually, we will be immortal. Immortality means deathlessness. We will never die because we will be immortal. Death will be destroyed (remember it gets thrown into the Lake of Fire).

Note that no one is immortal yet (except God of course):

1 Tim 6:15 which God will bring about in his own timeóGod, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Right now, God alone is immortal. We are mortal. But we shall become immortal at the resurrection of the dead.

Cheers,
Legoman

Actually the soul is immortal for all of us. That is why Gods words said some will spend eternaity in hell . We cannot die wher you spend the ret of your life is your choice. When God created us, the angels it was forever.
God Bless
Randy

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 01:54 PM
Hi FF,

If you are looking for proof that we will live on forever and never die, this should cover it:

1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Eventually, we will be immortal. Immortality means deathlessness. We will never die because we will be immortal. Death will be destroyed (remember it gets thrown into the Lake of Fire).

Note that no one is immortal yet (except God of course):

1 Tim 6:15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Right now, God alone is immortal. We are mortal. But we shall become immortal at the resurrection of the dead.

Cheers,
Legoman

Thanks Legoman,

Also looking for the difference beteween that which is temporal and that which is eternal.

If we cannot put a time limit on that which is temporal even though we know it shall end, can we therefore put a limit on that which is eternal?

Thanks again,

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 04:25 PM
With regards to the following scripture what is temporal and what is eternal?

Mt 6:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Mt 6:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:



Firstfruits

legoman
Nov 20th 2008, 05:06 PM
With regards to the following scripture what is temporal and what is eternal?

Mt 6:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Mt 6:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:



Firstfruits

This is an easy one (I think):

Matthew 6:19 is speaking of temporal things. Treasures of the earth: your new car, your plasma TV, your bank account etc. All these things will pass away eventually. They are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Matthew 6:20 is speaking of eternal things. Treasures in heaven: these are the qualities of character that God wants us to have. The gold and silver that will be refined in the fire (1 Cor 3:12-15). Things like kindness, righteousness, goodness, humility, love, patience, etc. Once refined and perfected, these qualities will last forever. The bad qualities of wood and straw will be burned out of us (ie. pride, hate, jealosy, greed, etc).

Legoman

legoman
Nov 20th 2008, 05:59 PM
Actually the soul is immortal for all of us. That is why Gods words said some will spend eternaity in hell . We cannot die wher you spend the ret of your life is your choice. When God created us, the angels it was forever.
God Bless
Randy

Hi Randy,

Yes I have heard that before.

But why does it say God alone is immortal in 1 Timothy 6:16, and why does it say mortality must put on immortality in 1 Cor 15:53-54 (when the resurrection of the dead happens)?

And why does it say the soul that sins dies?

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 19:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

We all sin. The wages of sin is death.

Legoman

legoman
Nov 20th 2008, 06:03 PM
Thanks Legoman,

Also looking for the difference beteween that which is temporal and that which is eternal.

If we cannot put a time limit on that which is temporal even though we know it shall end, can we therefore put a limit on that which is eternal?

Thanks again,

Firstfruits

Things that are temporal have an end. Our life here is temporal. As you said, even the earth is temporal. A new earth will eventually replace it.

When something is truly eternal, it has no end. We know that God will live on without end:
Psalm 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

God's kingdom will never end:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Cheers,
Legoman

Gulah Papyrus
Nov 20th 2008, 06:42 PM
2 Corinthians 4:18

18while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 07:43 PM
Things that are temporal have an end. Our life here is temporal. As you said, even the earth is temporal. A new earth will eventually replace it.

When something is truly eternal, it has no end. We know that God will live on without end:
Psalm 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

God's kingdom will never end:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Cheers,
Legoman

Knowing that the bible differentiates between that which is temporal and that which is eternal, if that which is stated to be temporal is taken to be eternal or that which is eternal is taken to be temporal, would that therefore change the meaning of the scripture?

Thanks,

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 07:47 PM
2 Corinthians 4:18

18while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Thank you Gulah Papyrus,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

looking4jesus
Nov 20th 2008, 07:50 PM
Hi Randy,

Yes I have heard that before.

But why does it say God alone is immortal in 1 Timothy 6:16, and why does it say mortality must put on immortality in 1 Cor 15:53-54 (when the resurrection of the dead happens)?

And why does it say the soul that sins dies?

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 19:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

We all sin. The wages of sin is death.

Legoman

Good questions to be honest I really do not have a answer for you, maybe someone else here can answer. All I know is that when we were created we do not die in th sense that we go into a eternal deep sleep. According to Gods word we stay conscious always.
God Bless
Randy

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 07:59 PM
This is an easy one (I think):

Matthew 6:19 is speaking of temporal things. Treasures of the earth: your new car, your plasma TV, your bank account etc. All these things will pass away eventually. They are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Matthew 6:20 is speaking of eternal things. Treasures in heaven: these are the qualities of character that God wants us to have. The gold and silver that will be refined in the fire (1 Cor 3:12-15). Things like kindness, righteousness, goodness, humility, love, patience, etc. Once refined and perfected, these qualities will last forever. The bad qualities of wood and straw will be burned out of us (ie. pride, hate, jealosy, greed, etc).

Legoman

If we lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth what wiil be our reward?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures in Heaven what will be our reward?

Thanks,

Firstfruits

threebigrocks
Nov 20th 2008, 08:10 PM
With regards to the following scripture what is temporal and what is eternal?

Mt 6:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Mt 6:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:



Firstfruits

Well, what is temporal? Houses, cars, clothing, food, land, ... don't let those things have a hold of your heart and covet them. Covet that which is something we cannot have of ourselves - grace and eternal life. Desire those things first and foremost which will never fade away and cannot be taken from us.

This creation, this earth and all things on it and in it and above it will one day be destroyed.

Our focus should be on eternity, not the here and now.

Matthew 6
33"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34"So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.



His kingdom is not now, it is not here. Put that perspective into place, and the rest will take care of itself.


Luke 12
27"Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
28"But if God so clothes the grass in the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more will He clothe you? You men of little faith!
29"And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.

30"For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.
31"But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.



Seek first what is eternal. All else is secondary from what to fill our bellies with today to making the rent to replacing the kids worn and outgrown clothes. Kingdom first. All else, second. Faith in what we do not see.

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 08:20 PM
Good questions to be honest I really do not have a answer for you, maybe someone else here can answer. All I know is that when we were created we do not die in th sense that we go into a eternal deep sleep. According to Gods word we stay conscious always.
God Bless
Randy

We were all dead in sin until we came to God through Christ;

Ezek 18:4 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=26&CHAP=18&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezek 18:20 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=26&CHAP=18&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=20) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear The iniquity of The faTher, neiTher shall The faTher bear The iniquity of The son: The righteousness of The righteous shall be upon him, and The wickedness of The wicked shall be upon him.

Rom 6:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eph 2:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=49&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Eph 2:5 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=49&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

The gift of God is eternal life which means it is not temporal?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 08:27 PM
Well, what is temporal? Houses, cars, clothing, food, land, ... don't let those things have a hold of your heart and covet them. Covet that which is something we cannot have of ourselves - grace and eternal life. Desire those things first and foremost which will never fade away and cannot be taken from us.

This creation, this earth and all things on it and in it and above it will one day be destroyed.

Our focus should be on eternity, not the here and now.

Matthew 6
33"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34"So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.



His kingdom is not now, it is not here. Put that perspective into place, and the rest will take care of itself.


Luke 12
27"Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
28"But if God so clothes the grass in the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more will He clothe you? You men of little faith!
29"And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.

30"For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.
31"But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.



Seek first what is eternal. All else is secondary from what to fill our bellies with today to making the rent to replacing the kids worn and outgrown clothes. Kingdom first. All else, second. Faith in what we do not see.

Thank you Threebigrock,

Would you say then that according to scripture we should not mistake that which is temporal with that which is eternal?

That which is temporal will end, whereas that which is eternal shall never end.

I know I have asked Legoman these questions but what do you believe according to scripture?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth what wiil be our reward?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures in Heaven what will be our reward?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

threebigrocks
Nov 20th 2008, 08:44 PM
Thank you Threebigrock,

Would you say then that according to scripture we should not mistake that which is temporal with that which is eternal?

That which is temporal will end, whereas that which is eternal shall never end.

I know I have asked Legoman these questions but what do you believe according to scripture?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth what wiil be our reward?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures in Heaven what will be our reward?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

If we seek after the world with our heart, we will receive that which passes away - death. Eternal life doesn't pass away. It's life, eternally. Eternal death is just that - death eternally. We need to look at that not with our own definition of death, but death and life according to what God says it is.

john 14
5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.



If we seek after what is truly life with our whole heart - that which is eternal, we receive life eternal.


What we embrace here is simply what we have waiting for us once our physical bodies are dead.

John146
Nov 20th 2008, 09:09 PM
Thank you Threebigrock,

Would you say then that according to scripture we should not mistake that which is temporal with that which is eternal?

That which is temporal will end, whereas that which is eternal shall never end.

I know I have asked Legoman these questions but what do you believe according to scripture?

If we lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth what wiil be our reward?Matt 25
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matt 13
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



If we lay up for ourselves treasures in Heaven what will be our reward?Matt 25
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matt 13
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

1 Cor 15
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Rev 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 09:10 PM
If we seek after the world with our heart, we will receive that which passes away - death. Eternal life doesn't pass away. It's life, eternally. Eternal death is just that - death eternally. We need to look at that not with our own definition of death, but death and life according to what God says it is.

john 14
5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.



If we seek after what is truly life with our whole heart - that which is eternal, we receive life eternal.


What we embrace here is simply what we have waiting for us once our physical bodies are dead.

So that would therefore be either the second death, the Lake of fire, or eternal life in Heaven. Is that right?

Thanks

God bless you!

threebigrocks
Nov 20th 2008, 09:24 PM
So that would therefore be either the second death, the Lake of fire, or eternal life in Heaven. Is that right?

Thanks

God bless you!

Only two choices I've ever seen. ;)

David Taylor
Nov 20th 2008, 09:29 PM
So that would therefore be either the second death, the Lake of fire, or eternal life in Heaven. Is that right?

Thanks

God bless you!

The Lake of Fire and Second death are aspects of the same thing.

That is like saying 'Heaven' and ''eternal life'...two aspects of the same thing.

If i were to make a list: 1) second death, 2) lake of fire, 3) eternal life, 4) heaven....I am not list 4 different locations/destinies....just two.

I could expand it to include more items:
1) second death, 2) lake of fire, 3) eternal life, 4) heaven, 5) perfect joy, 6) weeping and gnashing of teeth, 7) incorruptible, 8) torment....

I am not referencing 8 different things....still only two.

Eternally with God and all that comes with it; or
Eternally with Satan and all that comes with it.

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Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 09:31 PM
Matt 25
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matt 13
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Matt 25
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matt 13
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

1 Cor 15
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Rev 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Thank you John,

God bless you!

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Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 09:34 PM
The Lake of Fire and Second death are aspects of the same thing.

That is like saying 'Heaven' and ''eternal life'...two aspects of the same thing.

If i were to make a list: 1) second death, 2) lake of fire, 3) eternal life, 4) heaven....I am not list 4 different locations/destinies....just two.

I could expand it to include more items:
1) second death, 2) lake of fire, 3) eternal life, 4) heaven, 5) perfect joy, 6) weeping and gnashing of teeth, 7) incorruptible, 8) torment....

I am not referencing 8 different things....still only two.

Eternally with God and all that comes with it; or
Eternally with Satan and all that comes with it.

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Thanks David,

I did not mean to separate the second death and the lake of fire, or eternal life and Heaven.

God bless you!

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Firstfruits
Nov 20th 2008, 09:39 PM
Only two choices I've ever seen. ;)

Thanks Threebigrock,

Must have got carried away with my commas.

God bless you!

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Firstfruits
Nov 21st 2008, 09:20 AM
With regards to "Eternal" and "Temporal" can the the following scriptures mean anything other unending?

Mt 5:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Mt 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Heb 6:2 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=2) Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Heb 10:27 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=10&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Temporal or Eternal?

God bless you!

Firstfruits