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Bladers
Nov 26th 2008, 11:17 PM
Terror attacks in Mumbai; 100 dead, over 900 injured and 100's taken hostage.


"Mumbai: In one of the most violent terror attacks on Indian soil, Mumbai came under an unprecedented night attack as terrorists used heavy
machine guns, including AK-47s, and grenades to strike at the city's most high-profile targets -- the hyper-busy CST (formerly VT) rail terminus; the landmark Taj Hotel at the Gateway and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard -- killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital, according to latest reports.


The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city's top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai's additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed. ( Watch )

The attacks appeared to be aimed at getting international attention as the terrorists took upto 40 British nationals and other foreigners hostage. The chairman of Hindustan Unilever Harish Manwani and CEO of the company Nitin Paranjpe were among the guests trapped at the Oberoi. All the internal board members of the multinational giant were reported to be holed up in the Oberoi hotel.

Two terrorists were reported holed up inside the Oberoi Hotel. Fresh firing has been reported at Oberoi and Army has entered the hotel to flush out the terrorists.

An unknown outfit, Deccan Mujahideen, has sent an email to news organizations claiming that it carried out the Mumbai attacks.

The Army and Navy in Mumbai were put on alert. 65 Army commandos and 200 NSG commandos were being rushed to Mumbai, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said.

The Navy commandos too have been asked to assist the police. Special secretary M L Kumawat is in constant touch with the state police. "



Where does this all fit in the end times prophesy? terror... terror... terror...

Scruffy Kid
Nov 26th 2008, 11:41 PM
This is of course quite serious. I have lots of friends there -- in India, not in Mumbai, particularly. We should pray for India.

The main political problem for India, in my view, is the RSS/BJP Hindutva-style Hindu nationalism. As you may know, over the past couple of months there have been many attacks on Christians, with dozens killed, and many thousands left homeless. (The BJP -- Bharatiya Janata Party -- is the political party which champions the radical Hindu nationalist position. It has held power a signficant part of the last 10 years.)

This attack, if it's indeed from "Mujahadeen" is an attack against India by a radical Islamic group, instead. Unfortunately, this could exacerbate relations among India's many ethnic, linguistic and religious groups. Yet God can also use all things for good.

India is a multi-ethic country with a substantial Hindu majority (maybe 85%) and about 1% Moslems. The Hindutva/BJP movement is in principle anti-Moslem as well as anti-Christians. Christians are a fairly small minority -- estimates might range from 2 to 6% I'd say -- but 2% would mean about 24 million; 6% would mean about 70 million. There is always a signficant possibility of the Gospel spreading, as the lower castes are discriminated against religiously as well as economically and socially.

It's hard to know how this attack will be taken by the Indian population.

India is a very important country, dominant in South Asia, with about 1.2 billion people, and rapidly modernizing, as China is. India is a democracy.

India needs our prayers.

While we should pay close attention to India and what goes on there, and pray for the country. The Bible tells us what we need to know to live for Christ, and to know Him and the truth of His gospel -- and from it we can see that we should pray, live more and more for Christ, send missionaries, and work for what is right everwhere; but there is no reason to suppose that the Bible gives us detailed predictions about matters such as this.

wombat
Nov 27th 2008, 04:14 AM
Hi, Bladers and Scruffy Kid! May I ask you to post any updates to this information that you learn about? I will pray for India.

Bladers
Nov 27th 2008, 06:35 PM
MUMBAI, India A state official says the siege has ended Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel and the last three gunmen there have been killed.

An official with the Maharashtra state home department, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said there were no further details.

A state official also said eight hostages have been freed from the Mumbai headquarters of Jewish outreach group.

At least 119 people were killed and 288 injured when suspected Islamic militants attacked 10 sites in Mumbai.

Black-clad Indian commandoes raided two luxury hotels to try to free hostages Thursday, and explosions and gunshots shook India's financial capital a day after the attacks.

About 10 to 12 gunmen remained holed up inside the hotels and a Jewish center, a top Indian general said. The remaining gunmen appeared to have been killed or captured, Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda told New Delhi Television.

Authorities said 119 people died and 288 were injured when suspected Islamic militants armed with assault rifles, hand grenades and explosives launched a highly coordinated attack against 10 sites in the city Wednesday night.

Officials said eight militants were also killed.
Dozens of people were being held hostage at the hotels, as well as a nearby Jewish center, by the well-trained and heavily armed gunmen, authorities said.

While hostages trickled out of the hotels throughout the day, witnesses said many bodies remained inside and the two-day siege showed few signs of ending quickly. Several bodies were carried out of the five-star Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel.

The attackers had specifically targeted Britons and Americans inside the hotels, witnesses said.

Dozens of people were also apparently still hiding in their hotel rooms, terrified by occasional bursts of gunfire and explosions, as well as fires burning in parts of both hotels, and waiting for authorities to get them to safety.

RevLogos
Nov 27th 2008, 09:27 PM
It appears the attackers may have been trained in Pakistan and came over by boat.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai_attack_Pak_role_under_scrutiny/articleshow/3766765.cms

If ties to the ISI (Pakistan secret service) are established, this will raise national tensions. The ISI is part of the army and the army is not run by the civilian government.

The online Times of India is probably the best place for updates as this unfolds, but expect some misinformation as reports are rushed out (such as the terrorists being armed with MP5's). So take everything with a grain of salt.

I've been to India, and have a friend there too, though not in Mumbai. Wonderful place, vibrant, and the people are largely friendly. The Muslims I see there keep themselves socially segregated, and they seem very fundamental. The Muslim women are covered head to toe in black, and the Muslim men don't smile. Sure I'm overgeneralizing, but that's what I saw.

This kind of "low tech" terrorism is what I expect to see in the US soon. Groups armed with IEDs and guns attacking crowded places like malls and schools. There is no rationale for it other than hate.

Pray, pray, pray.

thepenitent
Nov 30th 2008, 07:06 PM
It appears the attackers may have been trained in Pakistan and came over by boat.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai_attack_Pak_role_under_scrutiny/articleshow/3766765.cms

If ties to the ISI (Pakistan secret service) are established, this will raise national tensions. The ISI is part of the army and the army is not run by the civilian government.

The online Times of India is probably the best place for updates as this unfolds, but expect some misinformation as reports are rushed out (such as the terrorists being armed with MP5's). So take everything with a grain of salt.

I've been to India, and have a friend there too, though not in Mumbai. Wonderful place, vibrant, and the people are largely friendly. The Muslims I see there keep themselves socially segregated, and they seem very fundamental. The Muslim women are covered head to toe in black, and the Muslim men don't smile. Sure I'm overgeneralizing, but that's what I saw.

This kind of "low tech" terrorism is what I expect to see in the US soon. Groups armed with IEDs and guns attacking crowded places like malls and schools. There is no rationale for it other than hate.

Pray, pray, pray.

The terrorism in Pak/India may not stay "low tech" very long. Both countries have the bomb and the media in India is already stoking the drumbeats of war over this. This situtation could literally become very explosive, very fast.

dan
Dec 1st 2008, 03:00 AM
This kind of "low tech" terrorism is what I expect to see in the US soon. Groups armed with IEDs and guns attacking crowded places like malls and schools. There is no rationale for it other than hate.

Pray, pray, pray.

...The US has private arms the results of such an attack will be small compared to India.

RevLogos
Dec 1st 2008, 04:05 AM
...The US has private arms the results of such an attack will be small compared to India.

I don't see how that would have much impact. Those of us who carry are trained in personal defense, not trained as commandos. It took 10 hours to get trained commandos to the sites and another 50 hours to root out the terrorists.

Even in states that allow concealed carry, less than 1% do. Even then a small handgun is no match for well trained commandos with automatic rifles and hand grenades.

We cannot carry on school grounds, so there would be nothing to stop or prevent a Beslan type attack in the US. Do a search on Beslan if you aren't familiar with it. This is what we have to look forward to in the US if the attacks in Mumbai are considered a success.

RevLogos
Dec 1st 2008, 04:15 AM
The terrorism in Pak/India may not stay "low tech" very long. Both countries have the bomb and the media in India is already stoking the drumbeats of war over this. This situtation could literally become very explosive, very fast.

Sounds like the drum has started beating. India holds general elections in May and I'm already hearing election rhetoric over this. The current government is going to have to act tough if they want to stay in power. Meanwhile I have read reports Pakistan has already started moving troops from the Afgan border to the India border. This is I'm sure exactly what the terrorists wanted.

This is the second major terror attack in India traced back to Pakistan. The last one was an attack in Kabul by the Taliban which claimed 60 lives 5 months ago. New Delhi showed considerable restraint last time. Let's pray that sound and pragmatic thinking prevails.

NHL Fever
Dec 1st 2008, 04:24 AM
Sounds like the drum has started beating. India holds general elections in May and I'm already hearing election rhetoric over this. The current government is going to have to act tough if they want to stay in power. Meanwhile I have read reports Pakistan has already started moving troops from the Afgan border to the India border. This is I'm sure exactly what the terrorists wanted.

This is the second major terror attack in India traced back to Pakistan. The last one was an attack in Kabul by the Taliban which claimed 60 lives 5 months ago. New Delhi showed considerable restraint last time. Let's pray that sound and pragmatic thinking prevails.

Amen to that. Lets pray that the Indian reaction is to use force decisively and effectively, and not simply multiply the terrorists own efforts for them. I think you're probably right, they may have been trying to draw troops away from the afghan border. Come to think of it, maybe that's why nobody has claimed responsibility, the terrorist groups probably want people to think there are connections to Pakistan the state.

dan
Dec 5th 2008, 01:49 AM
I don't see how that would have much impact. Those of us who carry are trained in personal defense, not trained as commandos. It took 10 hours to get trained commandos to the sites and another 50 hours to root out the terrorists.

Even in states that allow concealed carry, less than 1% do. Even then a small handgun is no match for well trained commandos with automatic rifles and hand grenades.

We cannot carry on school grounds, so there would be nothing to stop or prevent a Beslan type attack in the US. Do a search on Beslan if you aren't familiar with it. This is what we have to look forward to in the US if the attacks in Mumbai are considered a success.

...That you are not defending me.:lol:

There is only one law of being out gunned: The shot that is necessary to drop the bad guy cannot be made.

That is why we who watch have seen 26 instances in Israel of concealed pistols killing terrorists using AK's and grenades.

Whoever your instructor was, find another. May I recommend Clint Smith of "Thunder Ranch". Formerly of Special Forces.

By the way, Washington State has always allowed concealed carry on college campus's, and West Virginia is about to, I believe. Since you realize that there is a security hole here perhaps we can count on your support for allowing ccw at all schools?