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copper25
Dec 17th 2008, 04:42 PM
Because

1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

and

2 John 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

therefore

1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If a person chooses to stay in presumptuous sin in any way, how can they ever abide in God? The scripture makes this point plain and simple. When someone tries to argue against these verses, they are deceiving themselves and trying to justify or make excuses for sin, but “the scripture cannot be broken”, This the Lord said himself and who would argue this final saying when it is the Lord who said it? Plain and simple, people can’t handle the truth so they manipulate it, turning it to suit them the way they want for convenience sake, but who can prosper when they manipulate God’s wordor take out the parts they don’t want to hear? As it is written “Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not?” People don’t want to hear what they don’t want to hear. People see what they want to see. People block out the verses of conviction that condemn the conscience because they are afraid to accept the truth, period!

The last thing people want to hear in today’s age is that we are called to flee from every sinful behavior in our lives, but it is the truth. This is not optional, nor is debatable because the scripture claims loud and clear that any sinful living is unacceptable. Name a verse in the entire bible that says, it is ok to keep living in sin because God still loves you, or anything of the such. People call the truth perfectionism, but the Lord said “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin” and to the adulteress women, “go, and sin no more”. People twist what they can’t handle, manipulate what they can’t comprehend. This is the error. This is the mistake. “who sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him” is not written in vain, but is a grave warning, but many people make of implying their own wrongful standards, their own understanding, which is specifically what we are warned not to do throughout the bible. “Woe to them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” This is not written in vain, “turn not to the right hand nor to the left, remove they foot from evil”. Knowing the bible, the word of God is critical, but putting “the commandments of men”, which teach error and leniency are damnable doctrines meant to improvise or compromise the word’s power and meaning. Two ways, only two, to die in sin, or to break free from the bondage of it and abide in the doctrine of Christ.

Firefighter
Dec 17th 2008, 05:06 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for us...

Yukerboy
Dec 18th 2008, 01:06 AM
Because

1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

and

2 John 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

therefore

1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If a person chooses to stay in presumptuous sin in any way, how can they ever abide in God? The scripture makes this point plain and simple. When someone tries to argue against these verses, they are deceiving themselves and trying to justify or make excuses for sin, but “the scripture cannot be broken”, This the Lord said himself and who would argue this final saying when it is the Lord who said it? Plain and simple, people can’t handle the truth so they manipulate it, turning it to suit them the way they want for convenience sake, but who can prosper when they manipulate God’s wordor take out the parts they don’t want to hear? As it is written “Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not?” People don’t want to hear what they don’t want to hear. People see what they want to see. People block out the verses of conviction that condemn the conscience because they are afraid to accept the truth, period!

The last thing people want to hear in today’s age is that we are called to flee from every sinful behavior in our lives, but it is the truth. This is not optional, nor is debatable because the scripture claims loud and clear that any sinful living is unacceptable. Name a verse in the entire bible that says, it is ok to keep living in sin because God still loves you, or anything of the such. People call the truth perfectionism, but the Lord said “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin” and to the adulteress women, “go, and sin no more”. People twist what they can’t handle, manipulate what they can’t comprehend. This is the error. This is the mistake. “who sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him” is not written in vain, but is a grave warning, but many people make of implying their own wrongful standards, their own understanding, which is specifically what we are warned not to do throughout the bible. “Woe to them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” This is not written in vain, “turn not to the right hand nor to the left, remove they foot from evil”. Knowing the bible, the word of God is critical, but putting “the commandments of men”, which teach error and leniency are damnable doctrines meant to improvise or compromise the word’s power and meaning. Two ways, only two, to die in sin, or to break free from the bondage of it and abide in the doctrine of Christ.

The verses are in perfect harmony with each other.

If we are no longer under law, then what law can we transgress? This is why the saved cannot sin. When we do sin, it is no longer us, but the sin that abides in the flesh.

If a Christian does sin, then he has never known or seen Christ, correct? And if that is the case, then the Christian was never a Christian.

Once again, perfect harmony.

reformedct
Dec 18th 2008, 03:05 AM
Because

1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

and

2 John 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

therefore

1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If a person chooses to stay in presumptuous sin in any way, how can they ever abide in God? The scripture makes this point plain and simple. When someone tries to argue against these verses, they are deceiving themselves and trying to justify or make excuses for sin, but “the scripture cannot be broken”, This the Lord said himself and who would argue this final saying when it is the Lord who said it? Plain and simple, people can’t handle the truth so they manipulate it, turning it to suit them the way they want for convenience sake, but who can prosper when they manipulate God’s wordor take out the parts they don’t want to hear? As it is written “Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not?” People don’t want to hear what they don’t want to hear. People see what they want to see. People block out the verses of conviction that condemn the conscience because they are afraid to accept the truth, period!

The last thing people want to hear in today’s age is that we are called to flee from every sinful behavior in our lives, but it is the truth. This is not optional, nor is debatable because the scripture claims loud and clear that any sinful living is unacceptable. Name a verse in the entire bible that says, it is ok to keep living in sin because God still loves you, or anything of the such. People call the truth perfectionism, but the Lord said “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin” and to the adulteress women, “go, and sin no more”. People twist what they can’t handle, manipulate what they can’t comprehend. This is the error. This is the mistake. “who sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him” is not written in vain, but is a grave warning, but many people make of implying their own wrongful standards, their own understanding, which is specifically what we are warned not to do throughout the bible. “Woe to them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” This is not written in vain, “turn not to the right hand nor to the left, remove they foot from evil”. Knowing the bible, the word of God is critical, but putting “the commandments of men”, which teach error and leniency are damnable doctrines meant to improvise or compromise the word’s power and meaning. Two ways, only two, to die in sin, or to break free from the bondage of it and abide in the doctrine of Christ.


ok

you are a christian right?

how long have you been saved?

are you telling me that since you recieved Christ, you have never sinned, and you will remain sinless until you die, including every single thought?

So if you don't sin for 32 years but then you have a sinful thought

you never knew Jesus?

hmmmmmmmm


please be honest: how many times a day do you sin, including even a bad thought, or failing to love God with ALL your heart ALL your mind and ALL your strength for just one second?

Do you have energy in your body right now? why? that means you have strength! that means you have not loved God with all your strength if you are not tired right now haha

im sorry i know i sound like a jerk but maybe im wrong and condemned rite now so please forgive me i guess i don't know Christ dang it

reformedct
Dec 18th 2008, 03:07 AM
also, lets say i just get saved but have not read the whole bible?

how can i even know if i sinned?

Do i automatically stop sinning 100% by a supernatural force when i am saved?

If when i truly get saved i cannot sin, why read the Bible? who needs it? i never sin! i never transgress the law?

please help me out here

reformedct
Dec 18th 2008, 03:13 AM
also, if anyone knows someone who has not sinned for a period of time,

please give me there name and number so i can ask them for 24 hour live tv hahaha i would like to watch somebody go throughout the day never commiting one sin!

hasn't happened since Jesus far as i know hahaha

faithfulfriend
Dec 18th 2008, 03:33 AM
also, if anyone knows someone who has not sinned for a period of time,

please give me there name and number so i can ask them for 24 hour live tv hahaha i would like to watch somebody go throughout the day never commiting one sin!

hasn't happened since Jesus far as i know hahaha

You may laugh....but I know thousands of people who live completely sin-free, but only because of the power of God. Christians don't commit sin, and the Bible is very clear concerning this matter.

The main reason why many reject this is because they do not understand the actual definition of what sin is.

reformedct
Dec 18th 2008, 03:40 AM
this is sin:

God says do something

you don't do it

God says don't do something,
you do it

Don't tell me you think ignorant sins don't count right? haha

bible says pray without ceasing. are you praying right now? no? you are in sin.

sin is not just transgression of the law

sin includes knowing something is right and not doing it, whether it is specifically outlined in the law or not. That is why people who have died without knowing the law will still be judged

sin is transgression of the law

not only mosiac law.

if you disobey the direct commands of christ and the apostles in the new testament you are also in sin.

Jesus says be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect

are you telling me that at this moment your perfection is at the same level as God's

you are telling me that right now and for years to come you will live in perfection like Jesus?

Your telling me that you never will have to repent or ask forgiveness from Jesus for messing up because you are 100% perfect?

Yukerboy
Dec 18th 2008, 04:34 AM
this is sin:

God says do something

you don't do it

God says don't do something,
you do it

Don't tell me you think ignorant sins don't count right? haha

bible says pray without ceasing. are you praying right now? no? you are in sin.

sin is not just transgression of the law

sin includes knowing something is right and not doing it, whether it is specifically outlined in the law or not. That is why people who have died without knowing the law will still be judged

sin is transgression of the law

not only mosiac law.

if you disobey the direct commands of christ and the apostles in the new testament you are also in sin.

Jesus says be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect

are you telling me that at this moment your perfection is at the same level as God's

you are telling me that right now and for years to come you will live in perfection like Jesus?

Your telling me that you never will have to repent or ask forgiveness from Jesus for messing up because you are 100% perfect?

Sin is transgression of the law.

The saved person is no longer under law, but under grace.

John says if Christ abides in you, you cannot sin. Not shouldn't which implies no permission to, but cannot which implies inability to.

Your soul has been cleansed. Once for all time. You are led by the Spirit, not by the flesh. Law is made for the unrighteous, but God made you righteous.

You are made holy, perfected under Christ.

4HeavensSake
Dec 18th 2008, 04:42 AM
You may laugh....but I know thousands of people who live completely sin-free, but only because of the power of God. Christians don't commit sin, and the Bible is very clear concerning this matter.

The main reason why many reject this is because they do not understand the actual definition of what sin is.


1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

This verse say's we "have sin" in the present tense.

Luk 11:4And forgive us our sins;for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Why would Jesus teach this to his followers?

Am I missing something?

faithfulfriend
Dec 18th 2008, 04:50 AM
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

This verse say's we "have sin" in the present tense.

Luk 11:4And forgive us our sins;for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Why would Jesus teach this to his followers?

Am I missing something?


You must read the whole chapter (sometimes book) in order to rightly divide the word of truth, and thus receive the proper context of the scripture. Yes you are missing something:

This passage was directed to the Gnostics, not the Christians. If you read verse 3:


1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Obviously the Gnostics were not in fellowship with the Christians. In short, Gnostics didn't believe in sin (although they committed it), and they did not believe in Christ. That is why verse 1 states:

1Jo 1:1 ¶ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

This scripture is speaking of Christ. So in short, John is writing to the Gnostics saying:

If you say you have no sin (because they didn't believe in sin) you are deceiving yourselves because you are claiming that you have no sin to be forgiven of, thus Christ's blood cannot help you.

The Bible is extremely clear concerning the lives of Christians:

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

If you abide in Christ, you will not sin. If you sin, you do not abide in Christ.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

They that commit sin are not of God, but rather are of the devil.

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those that do righteousness are of God, and do not sin. Those who do unrighteousness (sin) do not know God.

1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Also, if an individual has not committed sin, there is no need for repentance unto Salvation:

Lu 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Sinners are called unto repentance, not the justified (saved).