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mikebr
Dec 17th 2008, 07:54 PM
I believe that the bible is inspired but has anyone else ever wondered why God would inspire people to take the Bible out of chronological order and put in the order it is?

I mean what do you believe God's reason for doing it was? It makes it awful confusing to me and I know He's not the author of confusion.

mikebr
Dec 17th 2008, 09:02 PM
No ideas yet. I'd really like some opinions on this.

kenrank
Dec 17th 2008, 10:54 PM
I believe that the bible is inspired but has anyone else ever wondered why God would inspire people to take the Bible out of chronological order and put in the order it is?

I mean what do you believe God's reason for doing it was? It makes it awful confusing to me and I know He's not the author of confusion.

The order of the books in the Tanach, the OT, is not the order we have them in today. Tanach stands for Torah, the first 5 books of Moses (same order as in your bible), then Nevi'im, the prophets, and finally Ketuvim, the writings. Jews basically, just so you know, place the most weight on the Torah first, then the prophets, then the writings. Their true order is as follows...and "some" of the confusion disappears when they appear in their original order:

Torah
1. Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis) [בראשית / Brei****] 2. Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus) [שמות / Shmot] 3. Leviticus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviticus) [ויקרא / Vayikra] 4. Numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Numbers) [במדבר / Bamidbar] 5. Deuteronomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteronomy) [דברים / D'varim]

Major and minor prophets
6. Joshua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joshua) [יהושע / Y'hoshua] 7. Judges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Judges) [שופטים / Shophtim] 8. Samuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Samuel) (I & II) [שמואל / Sh'muel] 9. Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Kings) (I & II) [מלכים / M'lakhim] 10. Isaiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah) [ישעיה / Y'shayahu] 11. Jeremiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jeremiah) [ירמיה / Yir'mi'yahu] 12. Ezekiel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezekiel) [יחזקאל / Y'khezqel] 13. The Twelve Prophets [תרי עשר] a. Hosea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Hosea) [הושע / Hoshea] b. Joel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joel) [יואל / Yo'el] c. Amos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Amos) [עמוס / Amos] d. Obadiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Obadiah) [עובדיה / Ovadyah] e. Jonah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jonah) [יונה / Yonah] f. Micah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Micah) [מיכה / Mikhah] g. Nahum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Nahum) [נחום / Nakhum] h. Habakkuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Habakkuk) [חבקוק /Havakuk] i. Zephaniah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Zephaniah) [צפניה / Ts'phanyah] j. Haggai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Haggai) [חגי / Khagai] k. Zechariah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Zechariah) [זכריה / Z'kharyah] l. Malachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Malachi) [מלאכי / Mal'akhi]

The writings
14. Psalms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms) [תהלים / Tehilim] 15. Proverbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Proverbs) [משלי / Mishlei] 16. Job (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job) [איוב / Iyov] The "Five Megilot" or "Five Scrolls": 17. Song of Songs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs) [שיר השירים / Shir Hashirim] 18. Ruth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth) [רות / Rut] 19. Lamentations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Lamentations) [איכה / Eikhah] 20. Ecclesiastes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes) [קהלת / Kohelet] 21. Esther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Esther) [אסתר / Esther] The rest of the "Writings": 22. Daniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel) [דניאל / Dani'el] 23. Ezra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra)-Nehemiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehemiah) [עזרא ונחמיה / Ezra v'Nekhemia] 24. Chronicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Chronicles) (I & II) [דברי הימים / Divrei Hayamim]

Daniel is of course generally left in with the prophets. Not even sure why it is listed here in the writings.

mikebr
Dec 17th 2008, 10:58 PM
The order of the books in the Tanach, the OT, is not the order we have them in today. Tanach stands for Torah, the first 5 books of Moses (same order as in your bible), then Nevi'im, the prophets, and finally Ketuvim, the writings. Jews basically, just so you know, place the most weight on the Torah first, then the prophets, then the writings. Their true order is as follows...and "some" of the confusion disappears when they appear in their original order:

Torah
1. Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis) [בראשית / Brei****] 2. Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus) [שמות / Shmot] 3. Leviticus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviticus) [ויקרא / Vayikra] 4. Numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Numbers) [במדבר / Bamidbar] 5. Deuteronomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteronomy) [דברים / D'varim]

Major and minor prophets
6. Joshua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joshua) [יהושע / Y'hoshua] 7. Judges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Judges) [שופטים / Shophtim] 8. Samuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Samuel) (I & II) [שמואל / Sh'muel] 9. Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Kings) (I & II) [מלכים / M'lakhim] 10. Isaiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah) [ישעיה / Y'shayahu] 11. Jeremiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jeremiah) [ירמיה / Yir'mi'yahu] 12. Ezekiel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezekiel) [יחזקאל / Y'khezqel] 13. The Twelve Prophets [תרי עשר] a. Hosea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Hosea) [הושע / Hoshea] b. Joel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joel) [יואל / Yo'el] c. Amos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Amos) [עמוס / Amos] d. Obadiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Obadiah) [עובדיה / Ovadyah] e. Jonah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jonah) [יונה / Yonah] f. Micah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Micah) [מיכה / Mikhah] g. Nahum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Nahum) [נחום / Nakhum] h. Habakkuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Habakkuk) [חבקוק /Havakuk] i. Zephaniah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Zephaniah) [צפניה / Ts'phanyah] j. Haggai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Haggai) [חגי / Khagai] k. Zechariah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Zechariah) [זכריה / Z'kharyah] l. Malachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Malachi) [מלאכי / Mal'akhi]

The writings
14. Psalms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms) [תהלים / Tehilim] 15. Proverbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Proverbs) [משלי / Mishlei] 16. Job (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job) [איוב / Iyov] The "Five Megilot" or "Five Scrolls": 17. Song of Songs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs) [שיר השירים / Shir Hashirim] 18. Ruth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth) [רות / Rut] 19. Lamentations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Lamentations) [איכה / Eikhah] 20. Ecclesiastes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes) [קהלת / Kohelet] 21. Esther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Esther) [אסתר / Esther] The rest of the "Writings": 22. Daniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel) [דניאל / Dani'el] 23. Ezra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra)-Nehemiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehemiah) [עזרא ונחמיה / Ezra v'Nekhemia] 24. Chronicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Chronicles) (I & II) [דברי הימים / Divrei Hayamim]

Daniel is of course generally left in with the prophets. Not even sure why it is listed here in the writings.

Thanks, I wasn't really looking for the correct order and I was thinking more about the New Testament. I just wonder why God would inspire men to put them in the wrong order?

Yukerboy
Dec 17th 2008, 11:05 PM
Going by what I heard and not what I know, I remember being told Paul's epistles were put in order from largest to smallest.

mikebr
Dec 17th 2008, 11:54 PM
Going by what I heard and not what I know, I remember being told Paul's epistles were put in order from largest to smallest.
I've heard the same thing too. But what does it say about inspiration?

Yukerboy
Dec 18th 2008, 12:08 AM
I'd say that's pretty neutral on inspiration.

However, the book of Romans is the one I refer to most. So that could be inspired. But then, I almost never go to 2 Corinthians. So maybe not so much. :)

kenrank
Dec 18th 2008, 12:14 AM
I've heard the same thing too. But what does it say about inspiration?

Sorry about the misunderstanding, thought you meant the OT.

The NT was voted on as to what order they would be in. I think the order in time is the result of man and has nothing to do with inspiration.

Peace.
Ken

Romber
Dec 18th 2008, 12:31 AM
I've heard the same thing too. But what does it say about inspiration?

I would say that God works in a mysterious manner. What you may think as non-inspiration may really have been Gods way of getting everything into it's place through man, by inspiration.

mikebr
Dec 18th 2008, 02:38 AM
I would say that God works in a mysterious manner. What you may think as non-inspiration may really have been Gods way of getting everything into it's place through man, by inspiration.

But I believe it has caused confusion. It never seems to line up chronologically.

It would make sense to me that if the books that were canonanized were inspired then their order would have been.