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copper25
Dec 23rd 2008, 03:26 PM
Being a Discerner of Prophets and Knowing the Difference Between Them
2 Chronicles 18:5) Therefore the king of Israel gathered together of prophets four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall we go to Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for God will deliver it into the king's hand.
2 Chronicles18:6) But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD besides, that we might inquire of him?
2 Chronicles 18:7) And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

2 Chronicles 18:22) Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” “For many shall come in my name, saying I am the Christ; and shall deceive many.” Now how many claim what they don’t have? “for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. The “falling away” symbolizes the great departure of many from the faith, whether it be by abandonment of principles, false doctrine, or just lack of knowledge. We know that everything written in this book shall come to pass, in today’s world especially, where people have made void God’s law and have cast aside his commandments. Now how many preachers, pastors, ministers, have not been transformed, manipulated, and influenced by worldliness, being politicians more then servants of God, giving the people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear?

“And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin”; Jesus Christ our Lord, who “was in all pointed tempted like as we are, yet without sin”. Now we aren’t perfect, but aren’t we called so “that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service”? Worldliness dulls the senses and spiritual discipline. “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” and “lean not unto thine own understanding”. “Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.”, aren’t we urged not to lean on our own understanding so many times? So how would we trust in man, “cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” Discernment, “thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars” We can’t let our guard down. “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” A real prophet shall turn people away from their sin. Jeremiah 23:22) But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.)) And what fruit do they bear themselves? “A good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit, neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” Can one bring both, no, either one or the other. If they abide not in his commandments, how can he know God?

1 Timothy 3:2-7
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.”
The bible puts these standards for a reason and when applied correctly, make a powerful discerning tool. Verses like these indicate a prophet’s trueness.

theBelovedDisciple
Dec 23rd 2008, 04:48 PM
Being a Discerner of Prophets and Knowing the Difference Between Them
2 Chronicles 18:5) Therefore the king of Israel gathered together of prophets four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall we go to Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for God will deliver it into the king's hand.
2 Chronicles18:6) But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD besides, that we might inquire of him?
2 Chronicles 18:7) And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

2 Chronicles 18:22) Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” “For many shall come in my name, saying I am the Christ; and shall deceive many.” Now how many claim what they don’t have? “for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. The “falling away” symbolizes the great departure of many from the faith, whether it be by abandonment of principles, false doctrine, or just lack of knowledge. We know that everything written in this book shall come to pass, in today’s world especially, where people have made void God’s law and have cast aside his commandments. Now how many preachers, pastors, ministers, have not been transformed, manipulated, and influenced by worldliness, being politicians more then servants of God, giving the people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear?

“And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin”; Jesus Christ our Lord, who “was in all pointed tempted like as we are, yet without sin”. Now we aren’t perfect, but aren’t we called so “that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service”? Worldliness dulls the senses and spiritual discipline. “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” and “lean not unto thine own understanding”. “Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.”, aren’t we urged not to lean on our own understanding so many times? So how would we trust in man, “cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” Discernment, “thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars” We can’t let our guard down. “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” A real prophet shall turn people away from their sin. Jeremiah 23:22) But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.)) And what fruit do they bear themselves? “A good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit, neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” Can one bring both, no, either one or the other. If they abide not in his commandments, how can he know God?

1 Timothy 3:2-7
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.”
The bible puts these standards for a reason and when applied correctly, make a powerful discerning tool. Verses like these indicate a prophet’s trueness.
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Testing the spirits? Scripture declares that those who are under the Direction and the Instruction of the Holy Ghost will 'CONFESS' that God put on flesh or has come in the flesh in the person of Jesus the Christ.. this will be a part of their confession and testimony... those who are truly 'born of God' ..'born again' .....will confess this....
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Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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John tells us to 'key' in on the 'witness'..listen to their testimony of God.. to 'try' what they say.. or 'try' the spirit behind it.. He concludes and tells us under the direction of the Holy Ghost as he penns this is that its in the confession. the above Scripture declares that.. do they confess that the Jesus they follow and admire or worship is God come in the flesh? or not... very black and white.. and simple..

and going on to Revelation.. Look what John penns as he is under the direction of the Holy Ghost..
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And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


False prophets DO NOT CONFESS GOD IS COME IN THE FLESH... they may talk about Jesus and even teach/preach about those Biblical things... but John says they will NOT confess God is come in the flesh.. and this is how we discern the 'spirit' behind the so called prophet.. according to the Scipture which John gives to believers.

Emanate
Dec 23rd 2008, 04:52 PM
----------------------------------------------------------------False prophets DO NOT CONFESS GOD IS COME IN THE FLESH... they may talk about Jesus and even teach/preach about those Biblical things... but John says they will NOT confess God is come in the flesh.. and this is how we discern the 'spirit' behind the so called prophet.. according to the Scipture which John gives to believers.


Actually John says that "Messiah Y'shua (Jesus Christ) has come in the flesh." It does not say that "God is come in the flesh"

timmyb
Dec 23rd 2008, 06:34 PM
In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus says to beware of false prophets and that we would know them by their fruit... I believe this was saying character was the mark of the prophet... not necessarily the accuracy of prediction...

a common erronous teaching that the church has of prophets is that if they aren't perfect in prophecy they aren't prophets when in fact that under the new covenant and according to the teaching of Jesus that prophets are to be judged by fruit... and that they are human... take Jonah for instance... the prophesied that Nineveh would be overthrown but he never gave them the option for repentance under 2 Chronicles 7:14, Nathan missed it when he told David that he would build the temple and he had to go back to David and say otherwise... Baalam was a prophet with bad character which goes to show that the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable...

so yes we are to test words and test the prophecies, but have mercy on prophets... they can make mistakes... and they can miss... and we don't need to stone our prophets for missing... but if their character is bad, we don't need them prophesying, but disipline them... not forever outcast them... if they repent, then we should never condemn them (Romans 8:1)

one_lost_coin
Dec 23rd 2008, 06:42 PM
1 John 4:6 We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.

RogerW
Dec 24th 2008, 01:09 AM
Actually John says that "Messiah Y'shua (Jesus Christ) has come in the flesh." It does not say that "God is come in the flesh"

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Manifest means to render apparent or show forth.

theBelovedDisciple
Dec 24th 2008, 01:23 AM
Actually John says that "Messiah Y'shua (Jesus Christ) has come in the flesh." It does not say that "God is come in the flesh"

Jesus = God = God manifest in the flesh.. as RogerW has shown...

One will 'know' Jesus is God and that He is God come in the flesh.. thru the Help/teaching of the Holy Ghost...

and there will be only One Man to have ever walked Perfectly in His flesh.. without sin.. and this is Him who was manifested... Jesus the Christ.. God in the flesh...

The 'fullness of the Godhead dwelt In Him... Bodily'..