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Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 02:58 PM
According to the following scripture, how does following the ten commandments compare to following the Spirit?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Thanks,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Slug1
Dec 27th 2008, 03:06 PM
For me... following the 10 Commandments protects me from "doing" evil. Walking in the spirit protects me "from" evil.

Vhayes
Dec 27th 2008, 03:14 PM
Mark 12

29-And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30-And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31-And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

If we love our neighbor as ourself, we will not steal from him and most assuredly we will not kill him. If we love our neighbor as ourself, we will not covet what they have, we will rejoice in their blessing.

If we love the Lord with all our heart, there is no room for other loves. We cannot put "another" god before Him if we are filled with His Spirit.

Not sure if that makes any sense to anyone other than me or not...
V

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 03:24 PM
For me... following the 10 Commandments protects me from "doing" evil. Walking in the spirit protects me "from" evil.

Is the evil you speak of not the lusts of the flesh?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

So if you are following the Spirit, is it not the Spirit that protects you from doing evil?

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 03:29 PM
Mark 12

29-And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30-And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31-And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

If we love our neighbor as ourself, we will not steal from him and most assuredly we will not kill him. If we love our neighbor as ourself, we will not covet what they have, we will rejoice in their blessing.

If we love the Lord with all our heart, there is no room for other loves. We cannot put "another" god before Him if we are filled with His Spirit.

Not sure if that makes any sense to anyone other than me or not...
V

Is it the Spirit or the ten commandments that covers those things which we shall not do because we love them?

Firstfruits

Vhayes
Dec 27th 2008, 03:32 PM
Is it the Spirit or the ten commandments that covers those things which we shall not do because we love them?

Firstfruits
In my opinion it's the Spirit. When I "walk" in the Spirit, there is no need to dwell on any list of do-s and don't-s.

The Holy Spirit changes people from the inside out, not the outside in.

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 03:48 PM
In my opinion it's the Spirit. When I "walk" in the Spirit, there is no need to dwell on any list of do-s and don't-s.

The Holy Spirit changes people from the inside out, not the outside in.

Thanks Vhayes,

Is that what this scripure means when it speaks of better promises?

Heb 8:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

So that all we need to do is to follow the Spirit?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Firstfruits

Vhayes
Dec 27th 2008, 04:01 PM
Thanks Vhayes,

Is that what this scripure means when it speaks of better promises?

Heb 8:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

So that all we need to do is to follow the Spirit?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Firstfruits

To me, yes. That's exactly what it means. It's called a "better" covenant, a New Covenant, for a reason.

I really don't know how to explain what I think/mean. It isn't so much following the Spirit as it is being guided and led. When I have submitted my will and my being to the Holy Spirit, it isn't so much that I struggle not to do certain things (the flesh), it's that they no longer have appeal at all. Do I live in that way 24/7? Nope. I'm still human and I still get ego-driven. I still grab the steering wheel away from God because i am sooooo sure I have it down now and I can do a "better" job. No matter how "mature" I become, I will always need to let God drive. I bang up the fenders and get us lost when left to my own devices. :blush:

Again, I'm not sure if I've made much sense to anyone but myself...
V

VerticalReality
Dec 27th 2008, 04:10 PM
I don't "Keep the Ten Commandments" . . .

I just love the Lord and seek Him. I don't keep myself from stealing from others because there is a commandment that says thou shall not steal. I do not refrain from murdering another because there is a commandment stating thou shall not murder.

I don't do those things because I want to live for the Lord and I want to love other people rather than hurt them . . . not because I'm trying to "Keep the Ten Commandments".

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 04:28 PM
I don't "Keep the Ten Commandments" . . .

I just love the Lord and seek Him. I don't keep myself from stealing from others because there is a commandment that says thou shall not steal. I do not refrain from murdering another because there is a commandment stating thou shall not murder.

I don't do those things because I want to live for the Lord and I want to love other people rather than hurt them . . . not because I'm trying to "Keep the Ten Commandments".

So you are applying the scripture to walk in the spirit and not fulfiling the works of the flesh.

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Firstfruits

Slug1
Dec 27th 2008, 05:24 PM
Is the evil you speak of not the lusts of the flesh?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

So if you are following the Spirit, is it not the Spirit that protects you from doing evil?

FirstfruitsI guess it matters how looked at. When the enemy is firing darts at me (temptation) sometimes I do nothing and allow my armor (Ephesians 6:10-20) to do the job. I basically shrug it off and was protected "from" evil. If I am weak for whatever reason cause I haven't been walking strongly in the spirit... not praying is the biggest for me, not reading the Bible is next for me, not fellowshipping (church, ministry etc) is after that for me... then I have the conviction of the 10 Commandments to prevent me from doing evil. When that fails and I allow temptation to get the best of me and enter my heart and I act on it... sin.

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 05:31 PM
These are the nine aspects of the Spirit;

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

By following them we will be doing that which is pleasing to God, by not fulfilling the works of the flesh. This deals with the Spirit.

In comparison, the ten commandments deals with the flesh with regards to the works of the flesh, as it tells us about what we should not do, which if we are already following the Spirit we shall not fulfill the lust/works of the flesh.

Firstfruits

awestruckchild
Dec 27th 2008, 05:36 PM
VHayes-

Everything you have said is good! I understand what you say perfectly. I don't worry about following the 10 commandments either. Mainly because I know I can't even keep myself from murdering sometimes if I so much as go out on the beltway and drive!

Even the court systems recognize things like this because the penalty is much steeper if you plan evil as opposed to if blind rage just suddenly consumes you. (The whole premeditation thing.)

But I think sometimes it takes some people longer to see that they cannot keep the 10 commandments in any way other than literally in a human way but our sickness goes deeper into our hearts and He is concerned with the heart not the outward keeping.

It always comes down to our attempts versus our complete reliance on Him to do all in us.

Vhayes
Dec 27th 2008, 05:57 PM
VHayes-

Everything you have said is good! I understand what you say perfectly. I don't worry about following the 10 commandments either. Mainly because I know I can't even keep myself from murdering sometimes if I so much as go out on the beltway and drive!

Even the court systems recognize things like this because the penalty is much steeper if you plan evil as opposed to if blind rage just suddenly consumes you. (The whole premeditation thing.)

But I think sometimes it takes some people longer to see that they cannot keep the 10 commandments in any way other than literally in a human way but our sickness goes deeper into our hearts and He is concerned with the heart not the outward keeping.

It always comes down to our attempts versus our complete reliance on Him to do all in us.
Tee-hee! This made me laugh because it is sooooo true. My personal lesson in humility is my weekly trek to the grocery store. If not for the Holy Spirit, I would commit murder weekly...

Thanks for the post!
V

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 06:21 PM
I guess it matters how looked at. When the enemy is firing darts at me (temptation) sometimes I do nothing and allow my armor (Ephesians 6:10-20) to do the job. I basically shrug it off and was protected "from" evil. If I am weak for whatever reason cause I haven't been walking strongly in the spirit... not praying is the biggest for me, not reading the Bible is next for me, not fellowshipping (church, ministry etc) is after that for me... then I have the conviction of the 10 Commandments to prevent me from doing evil. When that fails and I allow temptation to get the best of me and enter my heart and I act on it... sin.

Would you say that there are times as you have said when you are not walking in the Spirit and therefore because of yielding to temptation you have fulfilled the the works of the flesh?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Firstfruits

timmyb
Dec 27th 2008, 06:29 PM
well... the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of the law....

Romans 8:1 says that there is no comdemnation for those who walk according to the spirit... to walk in the spirit and thus establish the whole law of God, is to confess the spirit in you, fellowship with it aka talk to it and get to know the Holy Spirit as a person and gaze upon how Christ has made you righteous by a free gift and not by a work of your own... if a person tries not to sin, they will wind up sinning even more... human zeal and disipline can only do so much and that in the end will fail... We were made to gaze upon Jesus in the beauty of his holiness... it's not about not sinning, it's about getting to know Jesus and his holy spirit... sin is only the fruit of the real problem... it's the fact that we don't know who God is, and some of us really don't care to know him, we just want to make ourselves look good enough so we can think we got to heaven by means of good works..

you find that every religion has the same issue... that man is imperfect, sold to sin, and that there is a heaven, and that there is a God who is unknowable... Only Christianity solves the problem of sin and the problem of man that we don't know God by not only taking our sin upon himself and making us righteous, but by doing so we can draw near to a holy God that we may search him out and know his ways... He has given us his spirit inside of us that we may search him out...

Point: It's not about not sinning, it's about Christ and his righteousness and the fact that he's made you righteous... behold and become (2 Corinthians 3:18)

Firstfruits
Dec 27th 2008, 06:37 PM
well... the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of the law....

Romans 8:1 says that there is no comdemnation for those who walk according to the spirit... to walk in the spirit and thus establish the whole law of God, is to confess the spirit in you, fellowship with it aka talk to it and get to know the Holy Spirit as a person and gaze upon how Christ has made you righteous by a free gift and not by a work of your own... if a person tries not to sin, they will wind up sinning even more... human zeal and disipline can only do so much and that in the end will fail... We were made to gaze upon Jesus in the beauty of his holiness... it's not about not sinning, it's about getting to know Jesus and his holy spirit... sin is only the fruit of the real problem... it's the fact that we don't know who God is, and some of us really don't care to know him, we just want to make ourselves look good enough so we can think we got to heaven by means of good works..

you find that every religion has the same issue... that man is imperfect, sold to sin, and that there is a heaven, and that there is a God who is unknowable... Only Christianity solves the problem of sin and the problem of man that we don't know God by not only taking our sin upon himself and making us righteous, but by doing so we can draw near to a holy God that we may search him out and know his ways... He has given us his spirit inside of us that we may search him out...

Point: It's not about not sinning, it's about Christ and his righteousness and the fact that he's made you righteous... behold and become (2 Corinthians 3:18)

Is that why the fruit of the Spirit mentions only that which is right in the sight of God?

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Whereas the ten comandments deals with sin? things not to do.

Firstfruits

Slug1
Dec 27th 2008, 06:52 PM
Would you say that there are times as you have said when you are not walking in the Spirit and therefore because of yielding to temptation you have fulfilled the the works of the flesh?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

FirstfruitsYep, so bad that when I called out to God He answered in a mighty way sending me a Word through a person who was praying with me over the phone. This person was praying in the spirit and I say this because they were praying about stuff only I have silently prayed to God about for help. Then they began to speak in tongues and informed me what had been said by God... it was a direct answer to my prayer as only God could answer a prayer in a mighty way.

This put me back on the center of the path that I was straying off. I feel as if God literally dragged me back, stood me up, faced me in the direction He wanted me to Go and to make a point, kicked me in the butt to get me moving in the direction he pointed me :lol:

timmyb
Dec 27th 2008, 06:54 PM
Is that why the fruit of the Spirit mentions only that which is right in the sight of God?

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Whereas the ten comandments deals with sin? things not to do.

Firstfruits

not necessarily what not to do... it's just a testimony of the righteousness of God... just like the Holy Spirit... no man has ever kept the law... it's all to show man how bad we need God...

Firstfruits
Dec 28th 2008, 11:20 AM
Yep, so bad that when I called out to God He answered in a mighty way sending me a Word through a person who was praying with me over the phone. This person was praying in the spirit and I say this because they were praying about stuff only I have silently prayed to God about for help. Then they began to speak in tongues and informed me what had been said by God... it was a direct answer to my prayer as only God could answer a prayer in a mighty way.

This put me back on the center of the path that I was straying off. I feel as if God literally dragged me back, stood me up, faced me in the direction He wanted me to Go and to make a point, kicked me in the butt to get me moving in the direction he pointed me :lol:

Thanks Slug,

I hope the following will help to encourage you, knowing that by doing so we are united in one body.

Note, that these are what we must put on with regards to walking in the Spirit.

Col 3:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Dec 28th 2008, 11:27 AM
not necessarily what not to do... it's just a testimony of the righteousness of God... just like the Holy Spirit... no man has ever kept the law... it's all to show man how bad we need God...

Thanks Timmyb,

By following the Holy Spirit, and not fulfilling the works of the flesh will we therefore have a greater testimony, compared to following the ten commandments?

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Dec 28th 2008, 12:09 PM
With regards to the fruit of the Spirit, it is written "Against such there is no law". How does that compare with the ten commandments which is of the law?

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Firstfruits

Sirus
Dec 28th 2008, 06:45 PM
According to the following scripture, how does following the ten commandments compare to following the Spirit?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Thanks,

God bless you!

FirstfruitsWalking in the Spirit is walking by faith in the Spirit baptism into Christ body whereby we have been (past tense) crucified, buried, dead, raised, ascended. The commandment could not empower the flesh. The flesh had to die.

When temptation came under the law there was no way to perform what was good. Only a will to do good was present. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. The flesh had to die.

When temptation comes under grace which is the complete and finished work of Christ, IF we believe the gospel, that we have been (past tense) circumcised (useless flesh cut away) by Christ and given the Spirit by the operation of God, not only do we want to perform what is good, we know how (as you received Christ -by faith- walk in him). We know we have been provided all things pertaining to life and godliness by the gospel which is the power of God to them that are saved. Therefore, believing we are dead, and are to live as those alive from the dead, we sin not, through the power of and communion with the Spirit of grace.

In short, temptation comes and we say, I don't want to sin, I don't have to sin, I am dead to sin, and alive to God.....thank you Jesus for crucifying me that I might live according to your power!

Grace makes us righteous in our experience, but that is not the righteousness that saves us. The law could not do that. By this we can fulfill the righteousness in the law and thereby hold up (establish) the law that did not die. The old man died. The law of sin in our members died being condemned by the Son through the cross.

Sirus
Dec 28th 2008, 06:50 PM
These are the nine aspects of the Spirit;

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

By following them we will be doing that which is pleasing to God, by not fulfilling the works of the flesh. This deals with the Spirit.

In comparison, the ten commandments deals with the flesh with regards to the works of the flesh, as it tells us about what we should not do, which if we are already following the Spirit we shall not fulfill the lust/works of the flesh.

FirstfruitsThe cart before the horse.
You cannot DO the fruit of the Spirit yourself. They are fruit that is a result of walking in the Spirit.

timmyb
Dec 28th 2008, 11:48 PM
Firstfruits...

if you can name for me one person who can keep the law without walking in the spirit that's impossible... walking in the spirit is a choice that a person must make everyday and it's all about choosing that Christ makes a person righteous and not the person himself... you can't even obtain salvation by works what makes you think you can maintain it by works? It's a choice... gazing upon the Holy Spirit inside you is the only way a person can even have the grace to do the good works....

Firstfruits
Dec 29th 2008, 01:56 PM
Firstfruits...

if you can name for me one person who can keep the law without walking in the spirit that's impossible... walking in the spirit is a choice that a person must make everyday and it's all about choosing that Christ makes a person righteous and not the person himself... you can't even obtain salvation by works what makes you think you can maintain it by works? It's a choice... gazing upon the Holy Spirit inside you is the only way a person can even have the grace to do the good works....

That depends on how you would explain this scripture.

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If you are walking in the Spirit are you keeping the ten commandments?

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Dec 29th 2008, 02:07 PM
The cart before the horse.
You cannot DO the fruit of the Spirit yourself. They are fruit that is a result of walking in the Spirit.

Why are we told to put on these things? Are they not the evidence of walking in the Spirit?

Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Col 3:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Col 3:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Firstfruits

Sirus
Dec 30th 2008, 04:53 AM
Why are we told to put on these things? Are they not the evidence of walking in the Spirit?

Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Col 3:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Col 3:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Firstfruits
Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) doesn't tell us to put on the new man!!! It says we already have put on the new man (v10) so in v12 we can put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering.

Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) is clearly past tense.

Col 3:9-10 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

It's something that has already been done to us. It happens when you are born again, It happened by faith.
-circumcision of Christ
-operation of God

God did it to us. The gospel is his complete and finished work so he gets all the glory! We only partake by faith. We received Christ by faith and that is how we are told to walk (experience) IN him (position).
Col 2:6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,



Col 2:11 says the putting off of the old man was done by Christ.

Col 2:10-12 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Notice Col 2:12 say 'Buried with him in baptism'.

Other than Romans 6:4 (past tense) you can see that here in past tense as well.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

The One Baptism (One Spirit) of all believers into his body puts Christ on us, by faith.



The most popular passage people use to say we 'put on' and 'put off' is Eph 4:22, 24.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

See, there it is! It says we put on the new man! Yes, it does. Scripture is clear this is by faith. Let's not pull that out one and not consider all the others! We have a description of our past conversation (Eph 2) in how Gentiles walk, but that’s not what we learned and heard concerning our position in Christ. We learned the old man is put off and the new man is put on by faith.

Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness

I will readily admit it does in fact say we put on and put off, but I fully expect all believers to ask how they can achieve such a divine and miraculous act of God in any other way other than being born again by faith. He makes us righteous, we don't make ourselves righteous. If we do it, why does Col 3 say Christ does it? We believe, he does the work. If it is truly something we do, then salvation is by works, and we have a major, major, major, theological problem.

All these other things are put on the same way. By faith. We don’t just choose to ‘put on’ bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering and actually do so by ourselves. It’s against our flesh to do these things. As much as our mind may want to there’s only one way to perform it. To will is present but how to perform that which is good I find not. The body of death must be destroyed and has been destroyed by Christ. We were there, IN HIM. Jesus delivered us from the body of sin and death and crucified it. Now we can perform what we want.

Hope I’ve worded and arranged that well enough to make my point.

Firstfruits
Dec 30th 2008, 09:52 AM
Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) doesn't tell us to put on the new man!!! It says we already have put on the new man (v10) so in v12 we can put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering.

Col 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) is clearly past tense.

Col 3:9-10 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

It's something that has already been done to us. It happens when you are born again, It happened by faith.
-circumcision of Christ
-operation of God

God did it to us. The gospel is his complete and finished work so he gets all the glory! We only partake by faith. We received Christ by faith and that is how we are told to walk (experience) IN him (position).
Col 2:6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,



Col 2:11 says the putting off of the old man was done by Christ.

Col 2:10-12 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Notice Col 2:12 say 'Buried with him in baptism'.

Other than Romans 6:4 (past tense) you can see that here in past tense as well.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

The One Baptism (One Spirit) of all believers into his body puts Christ on us, by faith.



The most popular passage people use to say we 'put on' and 'put off' is Eph 4:22, 24.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

See, there it is! It says we put on the new man! Yes, it does. Scripture is clear this is by faith. Let's not pull that out one and not consider all the others! We have a description of our past conversation (Eph 2) in how Gentiles walk, but thatís not what we learned and heard concerning our position in Christ. We learned the old man is put off and the new man is put on by faith.

Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness

I will readily admit it does in fact say we put on and put off, but I fully expect all believers to ask how they can achieve such a divine and miraculous act of God in any other way other than being born again by faith. He makes us righteous, we don't make ourselves righteous. If we do it, why does Col 3 say Christ does it? We believe, he does the work. If it is truly something we do, then salvation is by works, and we have a major, major, major, theological problem.

All these other things are put on the same way. By faith. We donít just choose to Ďput oní bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering and actually do so by ourselves. Itís against our flesh to do these things. As much as our mind may want to thereís only one way to perform it. To will is present but how to perform that which is good I find not. The body of death must be destroyed and has been destroyed by Christ. We were there, IN HIM. Jesus delivered us from the body of sin and death and crucified it. Now we can perform what we want.

Hope Iíve worded and arranged that well enough to make my point.

Thank you Sirus,

With all that you have said we are told that we should live and walk in the Spirit; Gal 5:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Does this not mean that we have to show or display these atributes of God?

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Dec 30th 2008, 10:01 AM
Are those that live and walk in the Spirit considered to be righteous and holy before God?

If replying please remember the OP, regarding following the ten commandments and following the Spirit.

Thanks,

Firstfruits

timmyb
Dec 30th 2008, 05:14 PM
How can you not be keeping the Ten Commandments by walking in the Spirit...

Firstfruits
Dec 30th 2008, 07:46 PM
How can you not be keeping the Ten Commandments by walking in the Spirit...

Keep thinking!!!! :)

Firstfruits

Sirus
Dec 31st 2008, 04:10 AM
Thank you Sirus,

With all that you have said we are told that we should live and walk in the Spirit; Gal 5:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Does this not mean that we have to show or display these atributes of God?

Gal 5:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

FirstfruitsThank you!

The verses you just posted verify everything I have said. Our flesh was, past tense, crucified along with the affections and lusts. Since that is our position in Christ, by faith we walk in our position and bring our position into our experience and live as those alive from the dead (Rom 6:13). Then we have evidence and substance of our faith. Faith is seen. I know a lot of people read Hebrews 11 to the contrary but that would contradict the entire chapter. Faith has evidence and substance or it is not faith. Faith without works is dead. Paul put it this way;

I am dead, yet I live because Christ the hope of glory is in me.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:



Now read the verses you posted in context with this properly preceding;
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
.............
......
...
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
.......
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Fruit is a natural result of what is inherent. Good tree good fruit/bad tree bad fruit.

Firstfruits
Dec 31st 2008, 08:46 AM
Thank you!

The verses you just posted verify everything I have said. Our flesh was, past tense, crucified along with the affections and lusts. Since that is our position in Christ, by faith we walk in our position and bring our position into our experience and live as those alive from the dead (Rom 6:13). Then we have evidence and substance of our faith. Faith is seen. I know a lot of people read Hebrews 11 to the contrary but that would contradict the entire chapter. Faith has evidence and substance or it is not faith. Faith without works is dead. Paul put it this way;

I am dead, yet I live because Christ the hope of glory is in me.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:



Now read the verses you posted in context with this properly preceding;
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
.............
......
...
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
.......
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Fruit is a natural result of what is inherent. Good tree good fruit/bad tree bad fruit.

Thank you Sirus,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

timmyb
Dec 31st 2008, 11:37 PM
Keep thinking!!!! :)

Firstfruits

The Holy Spirit is God living inside of me... God gave the Ten Commandments... God never contradicts his word, and to think that his spirit does is outright heresy, so with that it makes the question of walking in the spirit and keeping the commandments of the law undoubtedly biblical... and to say otherwise is not biblical and to even ask the question is reading too much into the scripture and confusing to young believers

Firstfruits
Jan 1st 2009, 03:10 PM
The Holy Spirit is God living inside of me... God gave the Ten Commandments... God never contradicts his word, and to think that his spirit does is outright heresy, so with that it makes the question of walking in the spirit and keeping the commandments of the law undoubtedly biblical... and to say otherwise is not biblical and to even ask the question is reading too much into the scripture and confusing to young believers

Is the following scripture a contradiction?

1 Tim 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Tim 1:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Tim 1:11 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Is this not therefore according to the Gospel?

Firstfruits

timmyb
Jan 1st 2009, 09:35 PM
Is the following scripture a contradiction?

1 Tim 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Tim 1:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Tim 1:11 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Is this not therefore according to the Gospel?

Firstfruits

How does the Spirit of God contradict the Law of God... to say that God can somehow contradict himself is otherwise (words i cannot say lest I be censored by Bibleforums again)... not being under the law means i'm not under condemnation under the law... my righteousness is found in Christ not found in according how I keep a few rules... Like David I want my delight to be in the law of God, not because I want to obey it but because I love the God who gave the law and that his character is revealed in the law... saying you will keep the law is the wrong response, but saying you will love the Lord is the correct response to the Lord (Matt 22:37)

So, is not the fruit of walking in the Spirit according to the law of God especially the Ten Commandments? Absolutely

Sirus
Jan 2nd 2009, 12:26 AM
It should be noted that a Gentile was never under the Mosaic law unless his lived within Israel's gates or willingly converted and put himself under it. All a Gentile should be concerned with is what was said before 1Tim 1:9-11
The perfect law of liberty which Jesus said the entire Mosaic law and the prophets hinged on.

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

It is from there some turned aside

1Ti 1:6-8 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

So having never been required to keep the Mosaic law I now only have to concern myself with keeping one law that my Savior and Lord gave me and all my brothers. Now understand, by doing this I will naturally fulfill the righteousness in the law and by doing so I will hold up (establish) the laws righteous standard, naturally as a by product, as a result of having the Spirit and allowing Him to work in a through me. The Mosaic law is not the focus, and it is not the result, but the righteousness in the Mosaic law is held up.

I had this same discussion on another board in a thread about the Ten Commandments and it saddened me that everyone boasted that they broke half the Ten on a daily basis. There was a time I did to when I was a child on milk weak and hardly able to walk, and I refused to run around a bad witness claiming to be a christian.

Walstib
Jan 2nd 2009, 01:50 AM
According to the following scripture, how does following the ten commandments compare to following the Spirit?

Following the big ten=following external regulations

Every possible situation is not covered in detail.


Following the Spirit=following internal regulations

Every possible situation is covered in detail.

Peace,
Joe

Firstfruits
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:49 AM
How does the Spirit of God contradict the Law of God... to say that God can somehow contradict himself is otherwise (words i cannot say lest I be censored by Bibleforums again)... not being under the law means i'm not under condemnation under the law... my righteousness is found in Christ not found in according how I keep a few rules... Like David I want my delight to be in the law of God, not because I want to obey it but because I love the God who gave the law and that his character is revealed in the law... saying you will keep the law is the wrong response, but saying you will love the Lord is the correct response to the Lord (Matt 22:37)

So, is not the fruit of walking in the Spirit according to the law of God especially the Ten Commandments? Absolutely

Not if you compare the ten commandments with the fruit of the Spirit.

Are we still part of those to whom the law was made for or are we righteous?

1 Tim 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Tim 1:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Tim 1:11 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:55 AM
Following the big ten=following external regulations

Every possible situation is not covered in detail.


Following the Spirit=following internal regulations

Every possible situation is covered in detail.

Peace,
Joe

Thanks Joe,

We can therefore apply the following scriptures;

Col 2:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Col 4:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=51&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Jan 3rd 2009, 02:26 PM
Where the Spirit leads, do we follow?

Jn 16:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

God bless!

Firstfruits

appletonbill
Jan 3rd 2009, 04:27 PM
According to the following scripture, how does following the ten commandments compare to following the Spirit?

Gal 5:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Thanks,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was pwerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1-4)

appletonbill
Jan 3rd 2009, 04:29 PM
Where the Spirit leads, do we follow?

Jn 16:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

God bless!

Firstfruits

Only if you listen.:hmm:

Firstfruits
Jan 3rd 2009, 08:39 PM
Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was pwerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1-4)

Thanks Appletonbill,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Jan 3rd 2009, 08:43 PM
Only if you listen.:hmm:

Thank you Appletonbill,

Knowing therefore the fruit of the Spirit, and that the Sprit does not speak of itself but of God, why do we find it hard to follow God and heed his words?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

timmyb
Jan 3rd 2009, 10:30 PM
Thank you Appletonbill,

Knowing therefore the fruit of the Spirit, and that the Sprit does not speak of itself but of God, why do we find it hard to follow God and heed his words?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

there is a war in our beings between the spirit and the flesh... Romans 7 explains that our flesh is hostile to the works of the spirit....

Firstfruits
Jan 4th 2009, 11:52 AM
there is a war in our beings between the spirit and the flesh... Romans 7 explains that our flesh is hostile to the works of the spirit....

Would that not be where the "Temperance" that we have by walking in the Spirit would apply?

Gal 5:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

2 Pet 1:6 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=61&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=6) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Do we allow the flesh to control us, or do we follow the Spirit?

God bless!

Firstfruits

Sirus
Jan 4th 2009, 05:53 PM
Do we allow the flesh to control us, or do we follow the Spirit?
Amen!

1Th 4:2-8 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.

Firstfruits
Jan 4th 2009, 06:14 PM
Amen!

1Th 4:2-8 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.

We do not seem to acknowledge that when we walk in the Spirit that we have self control/temperance, even though we are told time and again to be aware of what we do.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Jan 5th 2009, 12:12 PM
Not all who claim to walk in the Spirit really walk in the Spirit:

Eph 5:15 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=49&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Phil 3:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=50&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Phil 3:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=50&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

Phil 3:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=50&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Jan 7th 2009, 09:13 AM
If we have been made righteous by faith in Christ, can we say that we are not righteous?

1 Jn 3:7 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=62&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 Tim 1:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=54&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

God bless You!

Firstfruits