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chad
Jan 1st 2009, 11:35 PM
I was reading the wikipedia definition of Heresy, and just wanted to know other peoples opinions regarding it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy).

I know there are teachings that differ from the commonly accepted position, but in the modern church do we consider this Heresy or merely a disagreement on what the sciptures mean?


Wikipedia definition of Heresy.

Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.

The word "heresy" comes from the Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) αἵρεσις, hairesis (from αἱρέομαι, haireomai, "choose"), which means either a choice of beliefs or a faction of believers.


It was given wide currency by Irenaeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus) in his tract Contra Haereses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Detection_and_Overthrow_of_the_So-Called_Gnosis) (Against Heresies) to describe and discredit his opponents in the early Christian Church. He described his own position as orthodox (from ortho- "straight" + doxa "belief") and his position eventually evolved into the position of the early Christian Church.

Used in this way, the term "heresy" has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as "orthodox".


Any nonconformist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonconformist) view within any field may be perceived as "heretical" by others within that field who are convinced that their view is "orthodox"; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek).


Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_system). For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the "Great Apostasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy)."

For a heresy to exist there must be an authoritative system of dogma designated as orthodox, such as those proposed by Catholicism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church).


The term orthodox is used in Eastern Orthodoxy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy), some Protestant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) churches, in Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam), some Jewish denominations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism), and to a lesser extent in other religions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion).

Variance from orthodox is described as "right" or "left deviationism.

Religious heresy

In Christianity, heresy is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine) maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic) or Orthodox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Christianity) doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-0)


The use of the term "heresy" in the context of Christianity is less common today, with some notable exceptions: see for example Rudolf Bultmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Bultmann) and the "character" of debates over ordination of women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_women) and gay priests.

Popular imagination relegates "heresy" to the Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages), when the Church's power in Europe was at its height, but the case of the scholar and humanist Giordano Bruno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno) was not the last execution for heresy.

Heresy remained an officially punishable offense in Roman Catholic nations until the late 18th century.

In Spain, heretics were prosecuted and punished during the Counter-Enlightenment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Enlightenment) movement of the restoration of the monarchy there after the Napoleonic Era.


Chad :rolleyes:

reformedct
Jan 1st 2009, 11:41 PM
heretics have always been and will always be until Christ returns. Satan always tries to mimic God. So Satan will bring in false teachers and plant false churches to cause many to stumble. I hate to say it but i believe the majority of American evangelicism is borderline heresy. Not all evangelicals in America are bad but i have been hearing a lot of talk about religious plurality (aka all religions lead to God) and there have apparantley been many churches that agree with this false teaching, aka interfaith worship services. Theres also a lot of ambiguity in the emergent church such as Rob Bells, in which it sounds to me more like universalism in the Christian flavor. Just make sure you read your Bible, dont worry or fear about tommorro because God will give you the grace to get thru anything. I also feel like trying to do what i can to call out false teachings so i hope this will help some.

One thing that seems to be popular is that churches are saying that we should focus more on living in the "SPirit of Christ". It is a vague term which basically says we should hold the "Spirit of Christ" above the actual written Bible. Normally these churches will allow homosexual relationships in their church and conviniently reject many fundamntal historic Christian principles, even going so far to say that Christ died as an example for us to die to old thinking and denying that He died for sin.

The word antichrist actually means replacement Christ or "other Christ". It is my personal opinion that this "Spirit of Christ" is actually the spirit of the antichrist, the setting up of a false Christ who did not die for sin but simply as an example. There have even been confrences about the "fact" that Jesus never rose from the dead(obvious heresy)

Sirus
Jan 2nd 2009, 01:01 AM
but in the modern church do we consider this Heresy or merely a disagreement on what the sciptures mean?
The modern church is so large and so diverse and so many sects and denominations so dead wrong on so much most just throw their hands up and sing....I'm ok, you're ok...we're ok....

mikebr
Jan 2nd 2009, 01:04 AM
The modern church is so large and so diverse and so many sects and denominations so dead wrong on so much most just throw their hands up and sing....I'm ok, you're ok...we're ok....


Can you imagine what a non Christian who comes to this board must say, "These people can't agree on anything."

Sirus
Jan 2nd 2009, 01:16 AM
Yes but what non christians agree on we don't partake of so....it's pretty irrelevant. At least we are discussing things good to think on, eh?

timmyb
Jan 2nd 2009, 01:16 AM
Can you imagine what a non Christian who comes to this board must say, "These people can't agree on anything."

i agree.. lol but sometimes we get lucky:D

Diolectic
Jan 2nd 2009, 03:25 AM
Does Heresy exist in the Modern Church?
Yes.
Mat 13:33 ...The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The leaven is the bad doctrine in the kingdom of heaven, which the Church is a apart of.

Sirus
Jan 2nd 2009, 04:49 AM
I've said that (in the past) but people want to think the leaven is good. The small mustard seed became the largest because of corruption and inhabited by devils (fowls).

monergist
Jan 2nd 2009, 04:52 AM
Heresy exists in the visible church, but not in the true church. That is, there are many heretics in any church organization, but the body of Christ is without blemish.

crossnote
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:18 AM
Heresy exists clearest when we come hear n see it in ourselves

timmyb
Jan 2nd 2009, 03:18 PM
The only way we will identify heresy now is to focus on the truth of the person nature and character of Jesus Christ. Every wrong teaching and wrong doctrine comes from a wrong understanding of who God is. It is about getting to know the man Christ Jesus and using the Bible as a means to that end. Even when studying the End Times the focus is still the same. It's about getting to know the man Christ Jesus. Don't study heresy because the more you do so you'll become paranoid and nothing will be pure to you again

chad
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:34 PM
Thanks all for your replies. Yes, I think there is heresy in the modern church, but it seems to be more accepted nowdays, compared to before the 18th century, where Heresy was a punishable act in the Roman Catholic nations.


I was more thinking of Heritical teeachings leading to break offs into churches such as the Jehova Witness, Mormons etc...



Chad :rolleyes: