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poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 05:39 PM
Everyweek myself and a group of people are involved in street evangelism/soul winning.

Are you active in Soul Winning? Or are you apathetic towards the lost souls that are daily going to hell?

For tracts I strongly endorse Fellowship Tract League as their tracts are very Fundamentalist based and Bible Preaching. Plus praise the Lord their tracts are all free shipping too!

http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/

I have not yet written a article on Soul Winning so in the meantime you can be encouraged with what brother Tom Farrow and others have to say.

http://www.voiceoftheevangelist.com/

http://www.soulwinning.info/ - KJVO but they have some good tips on Soul Winning

http://www.biblebelievers.com/moody_sermons/m1.html

Kahtar
Jan 2nd 2009, 05:48 PM
1 Corinthians 12:14-20
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
1 Corinthians 12:29-30
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
While we are all called on occasion to witness and lead others to Christ, not all are called to be evangelists. Let the teachers be teachers and the preachers be preachers, and the janitors be janitors, and let the Spirit determine when, where, and how we are to minister to others.

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:23 PM
Are you trying to say that you do not care and are apathetic towards Soul winning?

ALL believers need to be involved in Soul Winning for its a command of the Lord.

Check out some of Tom Farrow's excellent sermons on soul winning. He argues that soul winning is a daily duty of all believers.

http://www.voiceoftheevangelist.com/

Hmm since you mentioned Spiritual Gifts. All too often do many misunderstand these.


G. Problem #2: People typically seek extra-__biblical_ ways of determining their gifts.
1. ___analytical________ method: self-inventories.
a. May be based more on the 20th century Western idea of the “__specialist__” than NT Christianity (Gaffin, Perspectives of Pentecost, 53).



1 Corinthians 12:14-20
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
1 Corinthians 12:29-30
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
While we are all called on occasion to witness and lead others to Christ, not all are called to be evangelists. Let the teachers be teachers and the preachers be preachers, and the janitors be janitors, and let the Spirit determine when, where, and how we are to minister to others.

Whispering Grace
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:27 PM
Are you trying to say that you do not care and are apathetic towards Soul winning?

:rolleyes:


I'm not Kahtar, but I assure you he is not apathetic toward soul winning and he does care very much for lost souls.

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:29 PM
:rolleyes:


I'm not Kahtar, but I assure you he is not apathetic toward soul winning and he does care very much for lost souls.

I did. I apologize then.

I argue that all should be involved daily in reaching lost souls.

Whispering Grace
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:31 PM
I argue that all should be involved daily in reaching lost souls.

The Lord has entrusted me with 5 precious souls, a lost husband and 4 children who do not yet know the Lord.

Does that count?

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:33 PM
The Lord has entrusted me with 5 precious souls, a lost husband and 4 children who do not yet know the Lord.

Does that count?

Then that is your first duty then. But leaving "soul winning" only to the "specialists" is not right. Sadly this is the position of many.

Kahtar
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:33 PM
Are you trying to say that you do not care and are apathetic towards Soul winning?If that was what I was trying to say, I would have said it. Nothing in my post suggested that. Read what I wrote.;)
But let me put it in plainer words for you. We should ALL witness and share the gospel and 'win souls' (although I don't think WE win anything at all). But we are also all given specific gifts and callings to which we should adhere to, and not try to make ourselves be busy trying to do the work assigned to another.
In other words, those called to preach should busy themselves with that calling, but when the opportunity arises, they should not hesitate to share the gospel and lead one to Christ.
In the same way, one who is CALLED to be an evangelist should busy himself with the work of leading others to Christ, but when the opportunity arises, should not hesitate to preach a message, etc., etc.
Or, in other words, there is no need to try to make others feel guilty for not pursuing your calling to the extent that YOU do.
We are all called to preach the truth also, but not all are preachers. W are all called to teach, but not all are teachers.
It is okay for a preacher to spend the majority of his time working in his calling, or the teacher in his calling, or the evengelist in his calling.
Does that make sense to you?

appletonbill
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:37 PM
I don't go out everyday and preach on the street corner, but I belong to a church that believes very strongly in outreach. Our motto "Following Jesus...Engaging People". We believe that first you meet the physical needs of people (like Jesus did), then you win souls for the kingdom through love and trust. There are many ways to win souls for God's Kingdom, besides standing on a soap box.

theBelovedDisciple
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:42 PM
When you state daily.. do you mean going out on the street corner and handing out tracts on a daily basis? How many different ways are there to 'witness' to the 'lost'? Some people don't hand out tracts.. but just their 'life' and 'lifestyle' is a 'witness' to many of the lost around them. I've seen these 'Saint's.'. who are Saints according to the 'will of God' and not men in religion.

Is one 'witnessing' on this Webpage? I honestly believe there are people on here who are not 'saved' or 'born Again'... Some may have religion.. some may have church memberships.. but are they 'truly Born Again' from above.. by the Will of God? I personally don't hand out tracts.. I let the Spirit move me to be 'sensitive' to His promptings.. I used to go out and 'force' it down everybody's throat.. cause thats what I was taught... Until I began to realize again that it's God who Saves... He draws, He Saves... If He is working on a soul or drawing a soul into Him.. He will use me no matter how He sees fit.. If its to talk to them about the Good News.. then He will let me know how and when to do it.. If its just to pray for that person.. then I'll do that.... God is in control.. He is the One drawing and converting.. I'm just a vessel...

I have a real hard time with some who make it a competition on 'how many' souls they have 'converted' thru their ministry.. Well its God who Converts and Saves.. and He never made it a competition... It's His Will.. not man's... Salvation belongs to Him and Him alone..

Whispering Grace
Jan 2nd 2009, 06:51 PM
Then that is your first duty then. But leaving "soul winning" only to the "specialists" is not right. Sadly this is the position of many.

I didn't say I leave soul winning to the specialists. I am a specialist for the purpose God has given me and the situation He has put me in.

If I am called to witness to people, I witness to them. If I am called to minister to someone, I minister. If I am called to give, I give.

I strive to be a Light to every person I come in contact with and glorify Jesus Christ by living this wonderful changed life day in and day out.

I think it is wrong to claim a person isn't "soul winning" because they aren't out on the street corner handing out gospel tracts. We should be witnesses of the saving grace of Jesus Christ ALL the time and in every circumstance God puts us in.

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:12 PM
In a sense you are right, but the problem with that kind of thinking is it gets people lazy.

We had a evangelist speak at our school in chapel and he gave many stats and did what you describe as making ppl feel guilty for not soul winning. He himself said that those not involve din soul winning are cowards. He made that one statement that most others ignored or did not hear. But I downloaded all the audio sermons and have listened to them again at least once.

People should lead others to Christ, but you are right in that not everyone is called to it as a ministry. For example we have children's ministries and some evangelize that way. I feel better with the tract, street witnessing type approach.


If that was what I was trying to say, I would have said it. Nothing in my post suggested that. Read what I wrote.;)
But let me put it in plainer words for you. We should ALL witness and share the gospel and 'win souls' (although I don't think WE win anything at all). But we are also all given specific gifts and callings to which we should adhere to, and not try to make ourselves be busy trying to do the work assigned to another.
In other words, those called to preach should busy themselves with that calling, but when the opportunity arises, they should not hesitate to share the gospel and lead one to Christ.
In the same way, one who is CALLED to be an evangelist should busy himself with the work of leading others to Christ, but when the opportunity arises, should not hesitate to preach a message, etc., etc.
Or, in other words, there is no need to try to make others feel guilty for not pursuing your calling to the extent that YOU do.
We are all called to preach the truth also, but not all are preachers. W are all called to teach, but not all are teachers.
It is okay for a preacher to spend the majority of his time working in his calling, or the teacher in his calling, or the evengelist in his calling.
Does that make sense to you?

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:14 PM
Amen to that. I agree with what you say.


I don't go out everyday and preach on the street corner, but I belong to a church that believes very strongly in outreach. Our motto "Following Jesus...Engaging People". We believe that first you meet the physical needs of people (like Jesus did), then you win souls for the kingdom through love and trust. There are many ways to win souls for God's Kingdom, besides standing on a soap box.

ProjectPeter
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:16 PM
In a sense you are right, but the problem with that kind of thinking is it gets people lazy.

We had a evangelist speak at our school in chapel and he gave many stats and did what you describe as making ppl feel guilty for not soul winning. He himself said that those not involve din soul winning are cowards. He made that one statement that most others ignored or did not hear. But I downloaded all the audio sermons and have listened to them again at least once.

People should lead others to Christ, but you are right in that not everyone is called to it as a ministry. For example we have children's ministries and some evangelize that way. I feel better with the tract, street witnessing type approach.
What part of "that kind of thinking" makes folks lazy?

mikebr
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:26 PM
The Lord told me to love them till they ask me why?

I believe that the Great Commission without the Great Commandment is worthless.

Poochie, What do you say to a person that you are witnessing to?

ProjectPeter
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:34 PM
The Lord told me to love them till they ask me why?

I believe that the Great Commission without the Great Commandment is worthless.

Poochie, What do you say to a person that you are witnessing to?
That I would disagree with beginning with "the Lord told you." The Lord would be contradicting Himself greatly were that the case... in many areas.

Do you think you could truly show love WITHOUT telling them? One of the fascinating things about that Penn (of Penn and Teller duo) fellow (can't remember his name). Even he, a devout atheist, has no respect for the Christian that wouldn't tell him about Christ if he really did believe what Scripture says about eternity. It wouldn't be showing them love at all to say nothing.

If you look at all the biblical examples... waiting to tell them until they ask isn't an example given. ;)

Certainly one should live as such to where someone would ask... no doubt of that. But unsure how one can "love" someone without telling them about Jesus.

Vhayes
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:35 PM
I seem to have far more impact explaining the good news of the gospel to people who know me and ask me WHY I am so happy almost always, even in the face of adversity.

My life is my witness in many, many instances. I have a co-worker right now who is actively asking questions about Jesus because he and I have talked a bit about my beliefs. One of the saddest things I've ever heard (and I've heard it repeatedly) is ,"YOU can't be a Christian! All of them are judgemental and hate filled! They NEVER laugh."

Standing on street corners works for some. Living the command works for others. I wouldn't call either approach "lazy".
V

theBelovedDisciple
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:38 PM
I seem to have far more impact explaining the good news of the gospel to people who know me and ask me WHY I am so happy almost always, even in the face of adversity.

My life is my witness in many, many instances. I have a co-worker right now who is actively asking questions about Jesus because he and I have talked a bit about my beliefs. One of the saddest things I've ever heard (and I've heard it repeatedly) is ,"YOU can't be a Christian! All of them are judgemental and hate filled! They NEVER laugh."

Standing on street corners works for some. Living the command works for others. I wouldn't call either approach "lazy".
V


Good post Vhayes..... and neither would I call these 'cowardly'..... this sounds very accusatory by whoever taught it or 'preached' it....

VerticalReality
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:46 PM
My question to those going out on the street corners . . .

Are you just going out preaching at people and speaking down to them or are you engaging in conversation with them and getting to know what they're all about? Do they truly see that you care or do they feel like you're holding their actions under a microscope and judging them?

Most of today's "street evangelists" that I see are about the furthest thing from what I see in the Scriptures imaginable. True disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ do not go out on street corners preaching at people because "that's what they're supposed to do" or "God has commanded . . ." They go out and preach the good news because they love people and they want to see the blessings of the Lord poured out in these people's lives. They want these people to know that they were once in the same sort of bondage and there is a means of salvation that will set them free.

We tell people the truth about sin. We tell people the truth about a judgment to come. However, many people do so in a manner where it's more like "bad news" rather than "good news".

poochie
Jan 2nd 2009, 07:56 PM
I could care less what you think but you have a right to your POV just as I do mine. But how can one engage someone in conversation in a city with thousands walking around? Most of the time giving out tracts is all that can be done.


My question to those going out on the street corners . . .

Are you just going out preaching at people and speaking down to them or are you engaging in conversation with them and getting to know what they're all about? Do they truly see that you care or do they feel like you're holding their actions under a microscope and judging them?

Most of today's "street evangelists" that I see are about the furthest thing from what I see in the Scriptures imaginable. True disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ do not go out on street corners preaching at people because "that's what they're supposed to do" or "God has commanded . . ." They go out and preach the good news because they love people and they want to see the blessings of the Lord poured out in these people's lives. They want these people to know that they were once in the same sort of bondage and there is a means of salvation that will set them free.

We tell people the truth about sin. We tell people the truth about a judgment to come. However, many people do so in a manner where it's more like "bad news" rather than "good news".

JesusPhreak27
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:11 PM
Everyweek myself and a group of people are involved in street evangelism/soul winning.

Are you active in Soul Winning? Or are you apathetic towards the lost souls that are daily going to hell?

For tracts I strongly endorse Fellowship Tract League as their tracts are very Fundamentalist based and Bible Preaching. Plus praise the Lord their tracts are all free shipping too!

http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/

I have not yet written a article on Soul Winning so in the meantime you can be encouraged with what brother Tom Farrow and others have to say.

http://www.voiceoftheevangelist.com/

http://www.soulwinning.info/ - KJVO but they have some good tips on Soul Winning

http://www.biblebelievers.com/moody_sermons/m1.html

Paul tells us that we are a BODY of believers. He even gives an analogy to the human body. We all have jobs to do that God has tasked us with.

Some are to go out among the non-believers and be evangelists, others teach the Word, others, still, preach it. Then there are those that their gift is nothing more then being able to work in the nursery so that others can teach or preach. And others are good at cooking for the soup kitchen or doing grass cutting. All these things are part of God's plan and all of them bring glory to God in their own way if we do them with a servant's heart.

Yes we are all to reach out to non-believers but were not ALL called to be evangelists.

And NO this does NOT mean that I do not care about the souls of the non believers but what it DOES mean is that I will follow God's will for my life not my own.

I believe that those who go out and try to "win souls" -- what is that anyways? We dont "win" anything.... we plant the seed and God does the rest-- and they are not called to actually work against God's plan as He is the one that puts people in your life that He wants you to spread the Gospel to.

I think too many times people forget that we are not in any way important in this...... God is the ONLY important one..... We are here to do HIS work....NOT what we think we should do....

My grandmother used to say something that I never understood until just recently...... "Want to make God laugh? Tell Him your plans".....

If God calls you to evangelize....great..... but He may also call you to be the one who cuts the grass at church....either way as long as you do that task in a way that you are trying to please God and not get kudos from other people then you are doing God's work.

JesusPhreak27
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:14 PM
The Lord has entrusted me with 5 precious souls, a lost husband and 4 children who do not yet know the Lord.

Does that count?

I would say it does my sister in Christ! YHWH has allowed me the awesome privelege of being the spiritual leader in my house..... my wife up till recently had been a Christian but had yet learned how to be an active follower. And my son is battling through living in two different houses..... his mother (my ex-wife) has fallen away and refuses to teach him anything about God......

JesusPhreak27
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:18 PM
Poochie.....

heres a question for you...... and in no way am I trying to attack or anything....

When you say "win souls" what does that mean?

Do you mean going out and reciting the Romans Road to someone on the street? Or handing out tracts? Then the answer is no I dont....

Now do you mean living my life in a way that hopefully I am able to letGod's love shine through me and then being able to tell them where my happiness comes from? Then yes I do......

One other question...... since when are we the ones "winning" anything?

VerticalReality
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:26 PM
I could care less what you think but you have a right to your POV just as I do mine.

Then you are probably in the wrong place since this forum is purposed after folks giving their opinion. You may not realize it, poochie, but this forum is not a platform for folks to come in here and preach. This forum is a platform for discussion. Therefore, you should prepare yourself for many differing viewpoints. When those viewpoints are given then it would appropriate to treat those viewpoints with the respect they deserve.


But how can one engage someone in conversation in a city with thousands walking around? Most of the time giving out tracts is all that can be done.

I don't seem to have a problem with it. You can find folks sitting down and conversing all over the place. You don't have to stand around hollering at people as they pass by to make an impact for the kingdom. In fact, most folks will probably look at you as being bonkers for doing something like that. Then more focus is being put on how weird the person is acting rather than the message they are preaching.

amazzin
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:30 PM
Then you are probably in the wrong place since this forum is purposed after folks giving their opinion. You may not realize it, poochie, but this forum is not a platform for folks to come in here and preach. This forum is a platform for discussion. Therefore, you should prepare yourself for many differing viewpoints. When those viewpoints are given then it would appropriate to treat those viewpoints with the respect they deserve.



I don't seem to have a problem with it. You can find folks sitting down and conversing all over the place. You don't have to stand around hollering at people as they pass by to make an impact for the kingdom. In fact, most folks will probably look at you as being bonkers for doing something like that. Then more focus is being put on how weird the person is acting rather than the message they are preaching.

Poochie I would listen to the above advise very carefully.

Whispering Grace
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:38 PM
I would say it does my sister in Christ! YHWH has allowed me the awesome privelege of being the spiritual leader in my house..... my wife up till recently had been a Christian but had yet learned how to be an active follower. And my son is battling through living in two different houses..... his mother (my ex-wife) has fallen away and refuses to teach him anything about God......

I guess it doesn't sit well with me when people (as in the OP) try to guilt me into feeling I am not doing "enough" when I am pouring my heart, soul, and life into doing what God has called me to do.

appletonbill
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:38 PM
When you state daily.. do you mean going out on the street corner and handing out tracts on a daily basis? How many different ways are there to 'witness' to the 'lost'? Some people don't hand out tracts.. but just their 'life' and 'lifestyle' is a 'witness' to many of the lost around them. I've seen these 'Saint's.'. who are Saints according to the 'will of God' and not men in religion.

Is one 'witnessing' on this Webpage? I honestly believe there are people on here who are not 'saved' or 'born Again'... Some may have religion.. some may have church memberships.. but are they 'truly Born Again' from above.. by the Will of God? I personally don't hand out tracts.. I let the Spirit move me to be 'sensitive' to His promptings.. I used to go out and 'force' it down everybody's throat.. cause thats what I was taught... Until I began to realize again that it's God who Saves... He draws, He Saves... If He is working on a soul or drawing a soul into Him.. He will use me no matter how He sees fit.. If its to talk to them about the Good News.. then He will let me know how and when to do it.. If its just to pray for that person.. then I'll do that.... God is in control.. He is the One drawing and converting.. I'm just a vessel...

I have a real hard time with some who make it a competition on 'how many' souls they have 'converted' thru their ministry.. Well its God who Converts and Saves.. and He never made it a competition... It's His Will.. not man's... Salvation belongs to Him and Him alone..

Amen there fellow upper midwesterner.

student of the Lamb
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:54 PM
I'm not Poochie but I'll tell you what I ask them. "In your personal opinion, what do you understand it takes for a person to get to heaven and have eternal life?"

You do not want to ask them what they believe. Ask them what they understand it takes. Even though you said "in your personal opinion" you have asked this in a way that is not so much concerned with their opinion as much as it is concerned in what they understand from other sources it takes.

After they ask they will give you a faith answer, a works answer, an unclear answer or no (appropriate) answer.

If they answer with any of the last three, ask them if you can share with them how the Bible answers that question. If they answer with a faith answer, celebrate with them.

Forgiveness is available to all but it is not automatic. It is not automatic because we cannot get to heaven on our own , God can not allow sin into heaven and we are all sinners. We must accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins. IT is only through Jesus Christ that we may enter heaven. "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one come to the Father except through me."

appletonbill
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:55 PM
My question to those going out on the street corners . . .

Are you just going out preaching at people and speaking down to them or are you engaging in conversation with them and getting to know what they're all about? Do they truly see that you care or do they feel like you're holding their actions under a microscope and judging them?

Most of today's "street evangelists" that I see are about the furthest thing from what I see in the Scriptures imaginable. True disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ do not go out on street corners preaching at people because "that's what they're supposed to do" or "God has commanded . . ." They go out and preach the good news because they love people and they want to see the blessings of the Lord poured out in these people's lives. They want these people to know that they were once in the same sort of bondage and there is a means of salvation that will set them free.

We tell people the truth about sin. We tell people the truth about a judgment to come. However, many people do so in a manner where it's more like "bad news" rather than "good news".

Amen x 2. Have you heard of the Phelps clan, from Kansas? The ones who say God hates f*gs and such. That cannot be the way to win souls for the kingdom, I would say that they turn more people off, than on.

JenniferBerry
Jan 2nd 2009, 08:58 PM
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