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copper25
Jan 5th 2009, 07:59 PM
Acts 5:32) And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” This is what Christ said to the people and how much more does this apply to us today? So many claim to have the Spirit of God but they live carnal lives, lukewarm, and in the flesh; committing still such things that will not inherit the kingdom of God. Modern day Christianity has strayed from the principle of obedience that is the result of faith and which shows our love for God. People say I believe and think that is it, that they have salvation and are one in Christ, but sadly they are terribly mistaking! Can one of disobedience dwell in Christ? Can a child of disobedience inherit the kingdom of God, no. People have let the lukewarm mentality overrun their lives like they have nothing to lose and no consequences for their actions. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” is not an excuse but a warning because on our own, without the grace of God, we cannot live a life that is acceptable and pleasing to God no matter how hard we try. Sadly though, many are trying.

“lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them”, “Except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven”, “Except a man be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven”. “but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father”, now put it together, no one who has received the Holy Spirit lives in disobedience because a conversation happens where obedience is something that is reached for consciously, “his commandments are not grievous”: why, because we walk in them, “I will put my laws unto their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”

As believers, it is our way of thinking that has changed, our mind set; unlike the carnal mind we are conscious and able to walk in the law, avoiding sin(though it be not easy at times, nevertheless endure temptation, as it written, “blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried: he shall receive the crown of life which the Lord promised to them that love him“), and make and stride to keep is commandments, “here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” So this is the truth, conversion and a change in the way of thinking has to happen. People can claim Christ yet still be acting carnal which is death. We are justified by faith of the Lord but without obedience what does that faith constitute to or mean? “thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.”

“Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God” We need to strengthen ourselves by leaning to God, obeying the doctrine of Christ our Lord, and certainly stride for holy living. “be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless”; now we are not perfect but has the blood of our Lord been shed on Calvary so that we can live in sin, live in that which because of the Lord’s sacrifice we are suppose to be dead to, and not dead in? I think not.

SIG
Jan 6th 2009, 04:16 AM
(copper25,

I've been reviewing your threads. It appears you start threads, but do not get involved in the discussions.

????)

crossnote
Jan 6th 2009, 06:30 AM
Copper,
Can you explain ' (free)gift' in the following passages?

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 6:23)

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(Rom 5:15-18)

copper25
Jan 6th 2009, 04:01 PM
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(Rom 5:15-18)

If God put a price on the blood of his son, our Lord Jesus Christ, then who could afford it, so by the mercy of God it is a free gift that is ready for anyone to accept, yet can one accept this gift and still live in a life consumed in sin habitually, frequent and often, I think not.

theBelovedDisciple
Jan 6th 2009, 06:05 PM
Do you believe that as a 'Chrisitan' you have no sin? 'sinless' in your flesh as a Christian? and are you 'justified by following the Law'.....

Just a couple of questions that I pose to the 'poster'....

tt1106
Jan 6th 2009, 06:34 PM
I agree Copper. Although Salvation is ours freely given by God. It does bear a cost. Excuse the analogy, but what if you gave someone a puppy. It might not cost you anything, but there is an associated cost.
You have to feed, walk and nurture it. It has to grow.
God freely gives believers salvation. The cost is submitting to Christ's Lordship in our lives. Evidence of this is fruit and faithfulness.

crossnote
Jan 7th 2009, 06:15 AM
Copper,
Perhaps it is your title to the thread..'Conversion of Obedience'. A little perplexing.
Conversion is God's doing and is usually associated with justification. Obedience is our doing but even it is a result of God first working in us (sanctification).