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catlover
Jan 11th 2009, 08:19 PM
Since the Bible says without the law, there is no transgression (Romans 4:15), what were the standards that God used to destroy the people by the flood during Noah's time. How would the people know what they were doing was wrong, if they didn't have anything as a frame of reference.?

jrick
Jan 11th 2009, 08:38 PM
That's a good question. While they did not have the ten commandments, surely they heard about God and what He required. But, they did not listen.

God does give His reasons for destroying the world in the flood:

Genesis 6:5 (WEB)
Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Also, in the 120 some years while Noah was building the ark, he was also preaching to the people telling them to repent of their sins. But because their hearts were hard, they did not want to listen, until it was too late.

Just_Another_Guy
Jan 11th 2009, 08:40 PM
Edit:

Now that I think about it..maybe God did actually have written codes....as everything seems to be written down on scrolls and what not. Perhaps the reason why God didn't present any written covenant to people during flood times was due to the fact that it wasn't the appropriate time to present such laws and regulations yet. Good question though..

Yukerboy
Jan 11th 2009, 08:42 PM
Even then, it was faith.

By faith, Noah was credited with righteousness.

Thus, those who were found to be wicked were not wicked because of their acts, but because they had no faith.

timmyb
Jan 11th 2009, 08:59 PM
to think that God's standards have changed would suggest a change in his character.... I have a hard time with God changing anything about himself or his character... it is always man's problem with God and his holiness... God has always been what he is and his standards never change... he knew what he was doing then and he knows what he's doing now...

the judgements of God ex. the flood, was the mercy of God... if it wasn't for the flood mankind would have continued in utter depravity and would have wiped themselves out by the simple fact that they were all murderers... God didn't have different standards of righteousness, but there were those who still remembered him, and there were those who still sought the Lord or should I say one... Noah...

but God has never lowered his standards because God never changes

catlover
Jan 11th 2009, 09:52 PM
That's a good question. While they did not have the ten commandments, surely they heard about God and what He required. But, they did not listen.

God does give His reasons for destroying the world in the flood:

Genesis 6:5 (WEB)
Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Also, in the 100 some years while Noah was building the ark, he was also preaching to the people telling them to repent of their sins. But because their hearts were hard, they did not want to listen, until it was too late.

Where does scripture mention Noah preaching to the people to repent?? We talked about this today at church and could not find it.

Oma
Jan 11th 2009, 09:53 PM
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves
Romans 2:14 (KJV)

This tells us that there was a God created sense of law in all men, that condemned them when they disobeyed.

catlover
Jan 11th 2009, 09:54 PM
"to think that God's standards have changed would suggest a change in his character..."


No, I do not believe God's standards have changed, I'm just asking how the people would know since they didn't have the law

Oma
Jan 11th 2009, 10:00 PM
Where does scripture mention Noah preaching to the people to repent?? We talked about this today at church and could not find it.

This comes to my mind.

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly
2 Peter 2:5 (KJV)

Kahtar
Jan 11th 2009, 10:11 PM
Of the commandments of God, they understood at least the sabbath, because that was established right after Adam was created.
They learned about worshipping only God and no other at the tree. They learned the need for blood sacrifice when they received the skins to cover them.
They learned about 'Thou shalt not kill' when Cain killed Abel.
Noah clearly had an understanding of clean and unclean animals, because he was told to bring the clean ones in by sevens, the unclean by twos.
And then there is this:
Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Biastai
Jan 12th 2009, 02:43 AM
Could the trend seen in Genesis 4:8 to 4:23-24 to 6:5 reveal to us the growing evil, namely murder and a plethora of things in 6:5, in the world? It got to the point where "every inclination of the thoughts of [man's] heart was only evil all the time."

"An oracle is within my heart
concerning the sinfulness of the wicked:
There is no fear of God
before his eyes.

For in his own eyes he flatters himself
too much to detect or hate his sin.
The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful;
he has ceased to be wise and to do good. Even on his bed he plots evil;
he commits himself to a sinful course
and does not reject what is wrong."
Psalm 36:1-4

This passage tells us it is a state of man which completely lacks any fear of the Lord.