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JesusPhreak27
Jan 20th 2009, 11:35 PM
Hey everyone!

So I have been in discussion with an older gentleman in my church who is absolutely positive that we are in the End Times. He has even "enlisted" me in His "army" to fight the Anti-christ.

The only problem???

I dont understand what he is talking about..... Im completely befuddled by all this talk of the Beast and Daniel and Revelations etc.

Can someone get me on the right track as to understanding this?

nessa
Jan 21st 2009, 12:47 AM
We have been in the end times for awhile. We were in the end times in the 90's I believe.

th1bill
Jan 21st 2009, 02:24 AM
You will need to go to the local Christian book store and purchase some books on the subject or you will need to begin a very intensive study of the matter in the Bible. I have been studying for the past 18 years and there are still gapping holes from reading my Bible and I would not begin to tell you who is right and who is wrong about which portions of their take on the subject. The one thing I will tell you is that Jesus gave us the sign of the End and that was the rebirth of Israel and he said that the generation, in which the rebirth of Israel happened would not die before His return.

The rebirth of Israel was in mid-1948 and that is my generation and I am now 64 in five days. He is indeed near.

Cyberseeker
Jan 21st 2009, 04:22 AM
A generation was thought to be about 30 years. Then someone said it was 35, then 40. The last straw to clutch was 70 years. A generation doesn't get longer than that surely!

So whatcha gonna do if Jesus doesnt turn up by 2018? :spin:

rom826
Jan 21st 2009, 05:24 AM
Hey everyone!

So I have been in discussion with an older gentleman in my church who is absolutely positive that we are in the End Times. He has even "enlisted" me in His "army" to fight the Anti-christ.

The only problem???

I dont understand what he is talking about..... Im completely befuddled by all this talk of the Beast and Daniel and Revelations etc.

Can someone get me on the right track as to understanding this?

How exactly is he proposing to "fight the anti-christ". The anti-christ will only be defeated with the return of christ. Until then the beast will be given 42 months to reign. Therefore, to physically fight the anti-christ would not be a good thing to do. What you can do now (if you haven't already) is confess Jesus as your lord and believe God raised Him from the dead (Rom 10:9). Then after you have done it, get others to make that decision for Christ.

billy-brown 2
Jan 21st 2009, 05:30 AM
Hey everyone!

So I have been in discussion with an older gentleman in my church who is absolutely positive that we are in the End Times. He has even "enlisted" me in His "army" to fight the Anti-christ.

The only problem???

I dont understand what he is talking about..... Im completely befuddled by all this talk of the Beast and Daniel and Revelations etc.

Can someone get me on the right track as to understanding this?

Hi JesusPhreak27,:pp

To get on "the right track" with "End Times" issues, might I suggest you consider the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospels?

Look with me first at a passage of scripture featuring the words of Jesus as recorded in Luke 20:27-40:

Luke 20:27-40 (NET Bible)

20:27 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=27) Now some Sadducees (who contend that there is no resurrection) came to him.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=28)
20:28 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=28) They asked him, “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies leaving a wife but no children, that man must marry the widow and father children for his brother.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=29)
20:29 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=29) Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died without children.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=30)
20:30 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=30) The second

20:31 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=31) and then the third married her, and in this same way all seven died, leaving no children.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=32)
20:32 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=32) Finally the woman died too.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=33)
20:33 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=33) In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife will the woman be? For all seven had married her.”

20:34 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=34) So Jesus said to them, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=35)
20:35 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=35) But those who are regarded as worthy to share in that age and in the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=36)
20:36 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=36) In fact, they can no longer die, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=37)
20:37 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=37) But even Moses revealed that the dead are raised in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=38)
20:38 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=38) Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live before him.”

20:39 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=39) Then some of the experts in the law answered, “Teacher, you have spoken well!”
(http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=40)
20:40 (http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Luk&chapter=20&verse=40) For they did not dare any longer to ask him anything.

The passages of Luke 20:27-40 have helped me more than any other concerning "End-Times" teaching. In fact, a lot of the details of timing in the End-Times are configured with this passage.

Here's what I am saying: if you get understanding of Jesus' teaching on End Times, you will be able to better deal with the writings of Daniel and Revelation.

For instance, you might notice the phrases "this age" and "that age" in Jesus' response to the Sadducees. Now, if we put on a pseudo-chart the things which Jesus "maps" with these "two ages", we seem to have the following:


In "this age" ********************************************In "that age"

marriage ************************************************no marriage
mortal men *********************************************sons of the resurrection
men with mortal bodies***********************************men with glorified bodies
men can die physically*********************************** men cannot die physically

So the "dividing line" between the "two ages" that Jesus is talking about seems to be "the resurrection from the dead."

So, when is "the resurrection from the dead?"

Let's look at more teaching from our Lord Jesus Christ as recorded in the Gospel of John:

John 6:35-40; 43-51; 53-59 (NCV)

35 Then Jesus said, "I am the bread that gives life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you before, you have seen me and still don't believe. 37 The Father gives me the people who are mine. Every one of them will come to me, and I will always accept them. 38 I came down from heaven to do what God wants me to do, not what I want to do.39 Here is what the One who sent me wants me to do: I must not lose even one whom God gave me, but I must raise them all on the last day. 40 Those who see the Son and believe in him have eternal life, and I will raise them on the last day. This is what my Father wants."

43 But Jesus answered, "Stop complaining to each other. 44 The Father is the One who sent me. No one can come to me unless the Father draws him to me, and I will raise that person up on the last day.45 It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.46 No one has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only he has seen the Father.47 I tell you the truth, whoever believes has eternal life.48 I am the bread that gives life.49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but still they died.50 Here is the bread that comes down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will never die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give up so that the world may have life."

53 Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, you must eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood. Otherwise, you won't have real life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day.55 My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.57 The living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father. So whoever eats me will live because of me. 58 I am not like the bread your ancestors ate. They ate that bread and still died. I am the bread that came down from heaven, and whoever eats this bread will live forever." 59 Jesus said all these things while he was teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

John 5:24-29

24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears what I say and believes in the One who sent me has eternal life. That person will not be judged guilty but has already left death and entered life. 25 I tell you the truth, the time is coming and is already here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will have life.26 Life comes from the Father himself, and he has allowed the Son to have life in himself as well. 27 And the Father has given the Son the approval to judge, because he is the Son of Man. 28 Don't be surprised at this: A time is coming when all who are dead and in their graves will hear his voice. 29 Then they will come out of their graves. Those who did good will rise and have life forever, but those who did evil will rise to be judged guilty.

John 12:44-50

44 Then Jesus cried out, "Whoever believes in me is really believing in the One who sent me. 45 Whoever sees me sees the One who sent me. 46 I have come as light into the world so that whoever believes in me would not stay in darkness.
47 "Anyone who hears my words and does not obey them, I do not judge, because I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for those who refuse to believe in me and do not accept my words. The word I have taught will be their judge on the last day.49 The things I taught were not from myself. The Father who sent me told me what to say and what to teach. 50 And I know that eternal life comes from what the Father commands. So whatever I say is what the Father told me to say."

Now, our Savior is indicating emphatically that "the resurrection from the dead" will occur on "the last day"--which is the "dividing line" between "the two ages" that Jesus mentions in Luke 20. He says also that judgment of the wicked will occur on the same day of the resurrection as well.

Obviously, I have left out many other "End Time" elements. But this should get you started with some truth concerning the "End-Times" and so on. Additional "End Time" details from Daniel and Revelation can be configured around these clear passages (it seems to me).

(Of course, I am sure that others in this thread will fill in additional details also. . . .)

Love,

Billy-brown 2

:pp

JesusMySavior
Jan 21st 2009, 06:04 AM
So whatcha gonna do if Jesus doesnt turn up by 2018? :spin:


Keep praying, giving thanks, and sharing the Gospel with the lost. :kiss: