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third hero
Jan 22nd 2009, 03:42 AM
Follow me with this one here. According to most "pst-trib" models of the events leading to the return of the Lord, There are some things that must happen.

1. The Beast has to be revealed.
2. The Beast must have 10 countries backing him, even though only seven of them have to give up their sovereignty willingly.
3. All of the power and influence of the world has to fall under the control of the Beast, and the 10 nations that have it all have to give it to him.

For the sake of argument, I am not going to entertain the validity of what I am saying because this whole thread is a hypothetical. So, if you want to argue which version is the correct one, please find another thread, because I am not entertaining that cup of tea again, not for a long, LONG time.

With that said, follow me with my logic.

As of today, the Bank of America is now firmly under the control of the United States Government. I am sure because of the "bail-out", the other major financial institutions will eventually follow suit. (Remember, President Bush started this ball rolling, so do not come here with the "Obama is the AntiChrist" thing, because I simply will not accept it. This has been in play since George HW Bush announced something about a "New World Order" in 1990.)

I had a thought. The thought is this:

1. The economic meltdown had to happen in order for the government to first gain control of this country's financial markets. (NYSE, etc.)

2. The purpose of the United States Government doing this is so that when the Beast is revealed, the President of the United States, whomever s/he will be, will give up his/her sovereignty to the Beast, which would include the financial institutions that will be under their control.

Now, because this is a hypothetical, I am going to ask everyone this question. Has there been any other countries in the West or elsewhere around the world that is in the process of doing the same thing? IF there are ten countries that are doing what the US is doing right now, then we may be able to define which countries will make up the Beast empire.

Anyway, I wanted to share this with all of you. Any thoughts?

crush
Jan 22nd 2009, 04:13 AM
I've been watching the markets for the past few months, as I'm sure a lot of people have, and it looks like the old saying is true, that when "America sneezes the rest of the world catches cold".

I remember that a lot of European banks were nationalized to try and control the meltdown, but I don't really remember any specifics.

third hero
Jan 22nd 2009, 04:45 AM
I've been watching the markets for the past few months, as I'm sure a lot of people have, and it looks like the old saying is true, that when "America sneezes the rest of the world catches cold".

I remember that a lot of European banks were nationalized to try and control the meltdown, but I don't really remember any specifics.

Looks like we have some research to do.....:( Me and work do not like each other... but we'll find a wayt to get along though.:hug:

rom826
Jan 22nd 2009, 04:45 AM
Follow me with this one here. According to most "pst-trib" models of the events leading to the return of the Lord, There are some things that must happen.

1. The Beast has to be revealed.
2. The Beast must have 10 countries backing him, even though only seven of them have to give up their sovereignty willingly.
3. All of the power and influence of the world has to fall under the control of the Beast, and the 10 nations that have it all have to give it to him.

For the sake of argument, I am not going to entertain the validity of what I am saying because this whole thread is a hypothetical. So, if you want to argue which version is the correct one, please find another thread, because I am not entertaining that cup of tea again, not for a long, LONG time.

With that said, follow me with my logic.

As of today, the Bank of America is now firmly under the control of the United States Government. I am sure because of the "bail-out", the other major financial institutions will eventually follow suit. (Remember, President Bush started this ball rolling, so do not come here with the "Obama is the AntiChrist" thing, because I simply will not accept it. This has been in play since George HW Bush announced something about a "New World Order" in 1990.)

I had a thought. The thought is this:

1. The economic meltdown had to happen in order for the government to first gain control of this country's financial markets. (NYSE, etc.)

2. The purpose of the United States Government doing this is so that when the Beast is revealed, the President of the United States, whomever s/he will be, will give up his/her sovereignty to the Beast, which would include the financial institutions that will be under their control.

Now, because this is a hypothetical, I am going to ask everyone this question. Has there been any other countries in the West or elsewhere around the world that is in the process of doing the same thing? IF there are ten countries that are doing what the US is doing right now, then we may be able to define which countries will make up the Beast empire.

Anyway, I wanted to share this with all of you. Any thoughts?


How do you know the United States will not eventually elect the beast and the ten other countries will not submit to that president?

rom826
Jan 22nd 2009, 04:59 AM
Has the government already taken over bank of America, or is that just rumour? I have not seen any news article confirming it.

third hero
Jan 22nd 2009, 05:05 AM
How do you know the United States will not eventually elect the beast and the ten other countries will not submit to that president?

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Revelation 17:12-13

Now, maybe my interpretation is biased, but this is what I believe. I believe that the Beast will not have a country of his own, but will rise into a position of power, like a religious leader. (Think, Mahdi). At the time of the ascention of the Beast, 10 countries will allign theirselves with him, and wil give their authority, sovereignty, and power to him. It is my opinion that no president of any country could become the Beast.

I base this on the fact that another beast, the one who gains his authority from the original beast is also a religious figure, although I believe that this one will be related to Christianity.... mainly the Roman connection. It's sort of the "if one then the other" logic that I am employing here.

third hero
Jan 22nd 2009, 05:06 AM
Has the government already taken over bank of America, or is that just rumour? I have not seen any news article confirming it.
I heard it on FoxNEWS just today. Actually, it was on today's Glenn Beck show.

DurbanDude
Jan 22nd 2009, 09:47 AM
3H, your interpretation of the situation is interesting. In a sense America has moved more to Socialism through an appearance of protecting capitalism, which could very well be a deliberate conspiracy move, to unsettle markets and then change laws to stabilise them. the end result, more government involvement and new laws of international co-operation.

As for the ten horns, I believe a better way to understand which of the ten regions of earth will be under the DIRECT control of the beast, and which will be under the indirect control, is to read which regions rebel against the beast and alarm him as per the end of Daniel chapter 11.

The beast is alarmed by reports to the north and the east. This fits in with other verses which describe the Assyrian and Gog attacking Israel (the seat of the beast is Israel, this is where the antichrist plants his "tabernacles of his palace"according to Daniel 11).

It is the Northern and Eastern countries that alarm the beast, I believe this to be Russia, China, Turkey and Arabic Nations (The Assyrian, Babylonians and Persians) that give the beast their power and yet rebel against the beast right at the end. This leaves the beast to have direct control over the Western regions, most likely Europe, North and South America being the 3 regions under the direct control of the beast. This is all speculation as well , but possibly more biblically accurate speculation than who controls which banks.

Benaiah
Jan 23rd 2009, 02:30 AM
Why exactly would the Federal Govt. need to "Seize" control of financial institutions?

It already has all the control it needs over financial institutions and markets by virtue of the fact it controls the currency thru the Federal reserve.

Tommy Lee
Jan 23rd 2009, 03:14 AM
Bail outs are just a sneeky way of socializing all financial institutions, and major investment firms as well as large economy driving corporations. Once the govt "bails out" these entities they become part owners, much like a hostile corporate takeover. Basicly the us govt now owns all major banks, gm, ford, etc, and can tell these firms what they can and can not do.ie reguate. In a nut shell socialisim. I also heard today that the govt is thinking (yes I said thinking lol) about creating the Bank of The United States of America......Other countries doing similar things are UK, Germany, Spain and France.
If you have a mortgage or loan through one of these institutions.... guess who now holds the deed?

unkn0wnNYC
Jan 23rd 2009, 05:44 PM
I have a close family member who has a lot of money invested with the Bank of Scottland, which is Britian's largest bank and one of the biggest European banks. He also has money invested with other European banks. These banks are starting to fail and Britian may do a bailout similiar to what the US did and take over this bank and others.

I'm not sure about other countries, but this is something I heard and after reading your post, it made me remember this.

As always, good thinking ThirdHero :idea:

Lyndie
Jan 23rd 2009, 06:39 PM
We have to remember that this is not the first time governement has bailed out corp's or banks. There are just more banks and corp's now, so it seems to be a bigger deal. Just my opinion though.

possumliving
Jan 24th 2009, 12:50 AM
I heard it on FoxNEWS just today. Actually, it was on today's Glenn Beck show.

I just heard behind me while reading that, "they need to nationalize the banks" and I'm thinking to myself...what in the world does that mean?

I reckon it means just what it says. The guv take over.

Steph

danield
Jan 24th 2009, 04:23 AM
How do you know the United States will not eventually elect the beast and the ten other countries will not submit to that president?

Revelation 17:16 16 The scarlet beast and his ten horns all hate the prostitute. They will strip her naked, eat her flesh, and burn her remains with fire.

I personally do not think there is any way America is the Beast, but the prostitute is another story that I have argued many times!! I think the Beast will rise up out of the Middle East.

danield
Jan 24th 2009, 05:08 AM
I tell you the events that have transpired before our very eyes are unbelievable. Our major money centers have gone bust loosing billions, and our Government has stepped in to cover all their losses. It is like centuries of wealth have been wiped out in a matter of months. People just do not realize how much capital has evaporated from the backbone of our country.

Now as far as how this could affect things on a biblical scale, well normally it wouldn’t, but you see our Government has a huge amount of Bonds outstanding that it has to pay, and that bill just got much bigger by bailing out everyone. Now what happens when our very own government can not cover their debt obligations and goes bankrupt? (Granted this still needs time to come to fruition.) Just think how many US treasuries are held around the world and how it would affect their money centers that are already weak from horrible market conditions. We are in some interesting times for sure.

possumliving
Jan 24th 2009, 07:01 AM
I tell you the events that have transpired before our very eyes are unbelievable. Our major money centers have gone bust loosing billions, and our Government has stepped in to cover all their losses. It is like centuries of wealth have been wiped out in a matter of months. People just do not realize how much capital has evaporated from the backbone of our country.

Now as far as how this could affect things on a biblical scale, well normally it wouldn’t, but you see our Government has a huge amount of Bonds outstanding that it has to pay, and that bill just got much bigger by bailing out everyone. Now what happens when our very own government can not cover their debt obligations and goes bankrupt? (Granted this still needs time to come to fruition.) Just think how many US treasuries are held around the world and how it would affect their money centers that are already weak from horrible market conditions. We are in some interesting times for sure.

If China comes collecting we are in trouble because they practically own our hides!

Steph

TRUTHSEEKERALSO
Jan 24th 2009, 07:34 AM
3H, your interpretation of the situation is interesting. In a sense America has moved more to Socialism through an appearance of protecting capitalism, which could very well be a deliberate conspiracy move, to unsettle markets and then change laws to stabilise them. the end result, more government involvement and new laws of international co-operation.

As for the ten horns, I believe a better way to understand which of the ten regions of earth will be under the DIRECT control of the beast, and which will be under the indirect control, is to read which regions rebel against the beast and alarm him as per the end of Daniel chapter 11.

The beast is alarmed by reports to the north and the east. This fits in with other verses which describe the Assyrian and Gog attacking Israel (the seat of the beast is Israel, this is where the antichrist plants his "tabernacles of his palace"according to Daniel 11).

It is the Northern and Eastern countries that alarm the beast, I believe this to be Russia, China, Turkey and Arabic Nations (The Assyrian, Babylonians and Persians) that give the beast their power and yet rebel against the beast right at the end. This leaves the beast to have direct control over the Western regions, most likely Europe, North and South America being the 3 regions under the direct control of the beast. This is all speculation as well , but possibly more biblically accurate speculation than who controls which banks.

This sounds very plausible given the current direction of financial and political manipulating going on recently

possumliving
Jan 24th 2009, 08:09 AM
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Revelation 17:12-13

Now, maybe my interpretation is biased, but this is what I believe. I believe that the Beast will not have a country of his own, but will rise into a position of power, like a religious leader. (Think, Mahdi). At the time of the ascention of the Beast, 10 countries will allign theirselves with him, and wil give their authority, sovereignty, and power to him. It is my opinion that no president of any country could become the Beast.

I base this on the fact that another beast, the one who gains his authority from the original beast is also a religious figure, although I believe that this one will be related to Christianity.... mainly the Roman connection. It's sort of the "if one then the other" logic that I am employing here.

What IF, these "kings" which have recieved no kingdoms as yet... were simply "rulers" as in the ability to rule over people financially? Men/women who were given the power to control entire economies?

Check out this page, I'm posting only part of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_union

Planned monetary unions

East African Community (EAC) with the proposed currency being named the East African shilling, planned to be introduced in 2009, and to be used by the future East African Federation.
West African Monetary Zone inside Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) with the proposed currency being named the Eco, finally planned to be introduced in December 2009 after the date was set back twice.
Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), planned to be introduced in 2010 with the proposed name of the Khaleeji.
Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME) (as part of the CARICOM) due between 2010 and 2015.
Southern African Development Community/Southern African Customs Union (SADC)/(SACU), due in 2016.
South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation, due 2016
Union of South American Nations (Unasur/Unasul), due in 2019. Ecuador's President Rafael Correa on Dec. 15, 2007 proposed to call the currency the "Latino."
Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa, due in 2025.
African Economic Community due in 2028.

Now consider this...these are proposed or planned in the near future; however, what if things get so bad and go so haywire financially (as in lack of food and bankrupt governments) that they hasten these proposed currencies and rearrange/join some of them?

Then by the time they come up with the Amero or whatever plus the Euro, then there could be ten new economic kingdoms created and whoever presides over these "proposed kingdoms" wouldn't really have kingdoms would they? But they would have power.

Are you following my line of thought here?

Steph

JesusMySavior
Jan 27th 2009, 07:53 AM
What IF, these "kings" which have recieved no kingdoms as yet... were simply "rulers" as in the ability to rule over people financially? Men/women who were given the power to control entire economies?

Check out this page, I'm posting only part of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_union

Planned monetary unions

East African Community (EAC) with the proposed currency being named the East African shilling, planned to be introduced in 2009, and to be used by the future East African Federation.
West African Monetary Zone inside Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) with the proposed currency being named the Eco, finally planned to be introduced in December 2009 after the date was set back twice.
Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), planned to be introduced in 2010 with the proposed name of the Khaleeji.
Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME) (as part of the CARICOM) due between 2010 and 2015.
Southern African Development Community/Southern African Customs Union (SADC)/(SACU), due in 2016.
South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation, due 2016
Union of South American Nations (Unasur/Unasul), due in 2019. Ecuador's President Rafael Correa on Dec. 15, 2007 proposed to call the currency the "Latino."
Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa, due in 2025.
African Economic Community due in 2028.

Now consider this...these are proposed or planned in the near future; however, what if things get so bad and go so haywire financially (as in lack of food and bankrupt governments) that they hasten these proposed currencies and rearrange/join some of them?

Then by the time they come up with the Amero or whatever plus the Euro, then there could be ten new economic kingdoms created and whoever presides over these "proposed kingdoms" wouldn't really have kingdoms would they? But they would have power.

Are you following my line of thought here?

Steph


That is a very interesting post. It will all happen step by step. First certain countries will meld their currencies together, then whole continents plus outer-lying islands. Soon after that, unions of continents, and finally a one-world currency.

It all just astounds me how we are seeing the possibility of full Bible prophecy, as the very end times, unfold before our eyes. What a splendid and blessed time to live in for those who know the Lord Jesus!