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wtj
Jan 31st 2009, 01:17 PM
When the Holy Spirit of God indwells – it is impossible for one to Sin – Because the Holy Spirit that cannot sin Indwells – Ye are Sealed

When you sin – it is not the Holy Spirit that Indwells – but Satan

When ye receive the Baptism in the Father, Son, And Holy Ghost – Ye are partakers OF GOD and being indwelt with the Spirit of God – do the Works of God - to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons.

Those who - hath not - the Works of God – Hath not God. (by their fruits ye shall know them)

There is a difference between Faith and belief.
Faith – not empowered by the Holy Spirit – is not Faith – but only belief.
Faith by the Holy Spirit - hath Works - of God - - - Belief - - - not empowered by the Holy Spirit - - - hath not works of GOD.
Faith is therefore a manifestation of the indwelling witness and working of the Holy Spirit.
Man of himself – can only believe unto Faith – waiting for the adoption of Faith to come.
If a man of belief, fails when he is tried – it is not accounted unto him as Faith – Faith faileth not – there is no adoption to him who has not Faith.
Belief must continue – without wavering - until it is confirmed by God.

The Holy Spirit never manifests itself – acting by itself – but always in conjunction with the rest of the Godhead. He who hath the Father (though not seen - yet manifested by His Providence unto us ), and the Son – (though not seen – but manifested by the guidance of the indwelling word) hath also the Holy Spirit – and by these three – acting as one – the works of God are done – by them - who are baptized into the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

If the providence of the father is lacking – there will be no works – of God. If the Word - in us - is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. If the Holy Spirit – in us – is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. All three therefore are necessary to manifest the Works of God through us.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phil. 2:6

It is therefore a witness that the carnal man has not yet attained – but that it is evident that he must attain.

For as Jesus’ call - to walk on the water – could not be heeded by Peter – while in his carnality. So likewise – Jesus’ call – to ascend unto Him in the clouds – cannot be attained – by those who are yet carnal.
It is evident that they who remain shall perish – as with by fire. For it is not given unto the carnal to inherit eternal life – but unto the Spiritual.

Let us therefore examine the Churches claim – of being - Saved – Sanctified – Justified – Glorified – and partakers of the Holy Spirit.

Let us examine their works - denominations many and doctrines many. Must be they thought that GOD needed help. And why do they think that they all have the holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit divided ?

By what Spirit and Ministry - do you think - they are of - who deceive themselves. Unto what shall we liken this generation?

Satan seeth the Man (who, of himself - presumed - to serve God) coming in the field.
And setteth up Stones - and said to the man,
Preach unto these – these many years.
And the man did.
And behold – they were but - Stones.

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Kahtar
Jan 31st 2009, 01:45 PM
So anyone who sins is not saved?
Guess there won't be anyone in heaven then.

theBelovedDisciple
Jan 31st 2009, 03:05 PM
When the Holy Spirit of God indwells – it is impossible for one to Sin – Because the Holy Spirit that cannot sin Indwells – Ye are Sealed

When you sin – it is not the Holy Spirit that Indwells – but Satan

When ye receive the Baptism in the Father, Son, And Holy Ghost – Ye are partakers OF GOD and being indwelt with the Spirit of God – do the Works of God - to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons.

Those who - hath not - the Works of God – Hath not God. (by their fruits ye shall know them)

There is a difference between Faith and belief.
Faith – not empowered by the Holy Spirit – is not Faith – but only belief.
Faith by the Holy Spirit - hath Works - of God - - - Belief - - - not empowered by the Holy Spirit - - - hath not works of GOD.
Faith is therefore a manifestation of the indwelling witness and working of the Holy Spirit.
Man of himself – can only believe unto Faith – waiting for the adoption of Faith to come.
If a man of belief, fails when he is tried – it is not accounted unto him as Faith – Faith faileth not – there is no adoption to him who has not Faith.
Belief must continue – without wavering - until it is confirmed by God.

The Holy Spirit never manifests itself – acting by itself – but always in conjunction with the rest of the Godhead. He who hath the Father (though not seen - yet manifested by His Providence unto us ), and the Son – (though not seen – but manifested by the guidance of the indwelling word) hath also the Holy Spirit – and by these three – acting as one – the works of God are done – by them - who are baptized into the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

If the providence of the father is lacking – there will be no works – of God. If the Word - in us - is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. If the Holy Spirit – in us – is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. All three therefore are necessary to manifest the Works of God through us.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phil. 2:6

It is therefore a witness that the carnal man has not yet attained – but that it is evident that he must attain.

For as Jesus’ call - to walk on the water – could not be heeded by Peter – while in his carnality. So likewise – Jesus’ call – to ascend unto Him in the clouds – cannot be attained – by those who are yet carnal.
It is evident that they who remain shall perish – as with by fire. For it is not given unto the carnal to inherit eternal life – but unto the Spiritual.

Let us therefore examine the Churches claim – of being - Saved – Sanctified – Justified – Glorified – and partakers of the Holy Spirit.

Let us examine their works - denominations many and doctrines many. Must be they thought that GOD needed help. And why do they think that they all have the holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit divided ?

By what Spirit and Ministry - do you think - they are of - who deceive themselves. Unto what shall we liken this generation?

Satan seeth the Man (who, of himself - presumed - to serve God) coming in the field.
And setteth up Stones - and said to the man,
Preach unto these – these many years.
And the man did.
And behold – they were but - Stones.

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Can I pose you a simple question?

Why does your 'flesh' , your body return to the dust , as a Born Again Christian from above......after you take your last breath and your body stops functioning physcially?

When you can address that question... then I will comment on your above assumption...

ross3421
Jan 31st 2009, 03:19 PM
Sin is who we are not what we do...........we are sin from birth to death. Nothing can change that inheritable trait not even the Holy Spirit. Now when we are born again with this Holy Spirit we become justified to God though we are of sin and the process of being sanctified (cleansing process) through our mind begins whereby our actions change.

Friend of I AM
Jan 31st 2009, 03:32 PM
When the Holy Spirit of God indwells – it is impossible for one to Sin – Because the Holy Spirit that cannot sin Indwells – Ye are Sealed

When you sin – it is not the Holy Spirit that Indwells – but Satan

When ye receive the Baptism in the Father, Son, And Holy Ghost – Ye are partakers OF GOD and being indwelt with the Spirit of God – do the Works of God - to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons.

Those who - hath not - the Works of God – Hath not God. (by their fruits ye shall know them)

There is a difference between Faith and belief.
Faith – not empowered by the Holy Spirit – is not Faith – but only belief.
Faith by the Holy Spirit - hath Works - of God - - - Belief - - - not empowered by the Holy Spirit - - - hath not works of GOD.
Faith is therefore a manifestation of the indwelling witness and working of the Holy Spirit.
Man of himself – can only believe unto Faith – waiting for the adoption of Faith to come.
If a man of belief, fails when he is tried – it is not accounted unto him as Faith – Faith faileth not – there is no adoption to him who has not Faith.
Belief must continue – without wavering - until it is confirmed by God.

The Holy Spirit never manifests itself – acting by itself – but always in conjunction with the rest of the Godhead. He who hath the Father (though not seen - yet manifested by His Providence unto us ), and the Son – (though not seen – but manifested by the guidance of the indwelling word) hath also the Holy Spirit – and by these three – acting as one – the works of God are done – by them - who are baptized into the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

If the providence of the father is lacking – there will be no works – of God. If the Word - in us - is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. If the Holy Spirit – in us – is lacking – there will be - no works - of God. All three therefore are necessary to manifest the Works of God through us.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phil. 2:6

It is therefore a witness that the carnal man has not yet attained – but that it is evident that he must attain.

For as Jesus’ call - to walk on the water – could not be heeded by Peter – while in his carnality. So likewise – Jesus’ call – to ascend unto Him in the clouds – cannot be attained – by those who are yet carnal.
It is evident that they who remain shall perish – as with by fire. For it is not given unto the carnal to inherit eternal life – but unto the Spiritual.

Let us therefore examine the Churches claim – of being - Saved – Sanctified – Justified – Glorified – and partakers of the Holy Spirit.

Let us examine their works - denominations many and doctrines many. Must be they thought that GOD needed help. And why do they think that they all have the holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit divided ?

By what Spirit and Ministry - do you think - they are of - who deceive themselves. Unto what shall we liken this generation?

Satan seeth the Man (who, of himself - presumed - to serve God) coming in the field.
And setteth up Stones - and said to the man,
Preach unto these – these many years.
And the man did.
And behold – they were but - Stones.

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We all serve God, as God works all things for the good of those who love him. If a man at any point in his walk may stumble, it doesn't necessarily reflect him not being indwelled with God's Spirit, but it does point out that each man is still in a perishable, unperfected form despite being full of God's spirit.

One can only go as far as God allows them to go while walking in the spirit, as God sometimes does allow adversity to happen even to those whom he indwells with it. Stumbling is not a reflection of one following a sinful course..but a reflection of what Jesus stated in the gospel..that anyone who attempts to live a Godly lifestyle will indeed be persecuted by the world.

God bless,

Stephen

Friend of I AM
Jan 31st 2009, 03:37 PM
Sin is who we are not what we do...........we are sin from birth to death. Nothing can change that inheritable trait not even the Holy Spirit. Now when we are born again with this Holy Spirit we become justified to God though we are of sin and the process of being sanctified (cleansing process) through our mind begins whereby our actions change.

Our bodies are in a perishable state while on this earth, so yes..nothing can change this aside from God tranforming us into new glorified bodies.

HisLeast
Jan 31st 2009, 04:16 PM
When you sin – it is not the Holy Spirit that Indwells – but Satan
Is this true?
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