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Petey
Feb 27th 2009, 01:35 PM
In John, Jesus makes the following statement:
7"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, (G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26707G))ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8"My (H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708H))Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so (I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708I))prove to be My disciples."


Can we really ask for whatever we wish and receive it? That certainly hasn't been true in my experience. I don't see any way you could interpret this straightforward statement differently, though.

Eaglenester
Feb 27th 2009, 01:56 PM
In John, Jesus makes the following statement:
7"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, (G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26707G))ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8"My (H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708H))Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so (I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708I))prove to be My disciples."


Can we really ask for whatever we wish and receive it? That certainly hasn't been true in my experience. I don't see any way you could interpret this straightforward statement differently, though.


If one TRULY abides in Yahushua The Anointed, and Yahushua's Words abide in them - what they desire or wish for WON'T be according to the flesh.
The prayers would be according to Yahweh's will, and thus be granted.

So if one's prayers aren't being granted, then the issue is needing to abide in Yahushua, and His Words needing to abide in the person.

Kahtar
Feb 27th 2009, 02:11 PM
Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first(before anything else) the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

The instant you desire something to gratify your flesh you are no longer seeking God's kingdom, but your own.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

HisLeast
Feb 27th 2009, 02:12 PM
David supplicated like a madman for the life of his love-child with Bethsheba.

David's prayer was not answered positively.

At first glance, we might think "hey, if this didn't work for David, how could it work for us?" but I say the passage clearly explains why it didn't work for David.

The promise begins with a precise qualification: "If you abide in Me"

And there's the rub. David was not abiding in God when he committed murder and adultery.

Toymom
Feb 27th 2009, 02:49 PM
When we abide in the Lord and let His words abide in us, we actually are one with Him, and He works within us. Then, when we ask in prayer for whatever we will, it is not only we who are praying; He too is praying, in our praying. So, we are praying for His will, not ours. This kind of prayer is related to fruit-bearing as seen in verse 8 - "In this is My Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and so you will become My disciples", and will surely be answered.

Watchmen
Feb 27th 2009, 04:44 PM
In John, Jesus makes the following statement:
7"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, (G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26707G))ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8"My (H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708H))Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so (I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708I))prove to be My disciples."


Can we really ask for whatever we wish and receive it? That certainly hasn't been true in my experience. I don't see any way you could interpret this straightforward statement differently, though.There are some stipulations.
#1 the one you quoted you must abide in Christ and His word must abide in you.

#2 You must believe you will receive it.
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
And if you doubt you will receive nothing of the Lord.
James 1
6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.



#3 we must not be asking for it because of our own lust your personal gain.
James 4
2b........yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Petey
Feb 27th 2009, 10:48 PM
Thanks for the thoughts everyone- I think I understand better now

tango
Feb 27th 2009, 11:00 PM
In John, Jesus makes the following statement:
7"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, (G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26707G))ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8"My (H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708H))Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so (I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015&version=49;#cen-NASB-26708I))prove to be My disciples."


Can we really ask for whatever we wish and receive it? That certainly hasn't been true in my experience. I don't see any way you could interpret this straightforward statement differently, though.

The "if you abide in me" is the kicker.

I might like a gleaming Lamborghini Murcielago Roadster, but when the King of Kings rode into Jerusalem his preferred mode of transport was a donkey. I might like a mansion with a marble bathroom and solid gold taps, but when the King of Kings entered the world it was in a stable surrounded by animals (and, presumably, the less pleasant things that animals leave behind).

If I'm asking for these things to satisfy my own worldly desires (for status, recognition, whatever) then I am not fully abiding in Jesus. God isn't glorified by me cruising the streets in a gleaming Lamborghini, so I shouldn't assume one will mysteriously appear outside my house in the morning just because I asked for it.