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vinsight4u8
Mar 29th 2009, 12:08 AM
Why do you think it has "answered" - when no one asked a question for v 13?


Thayer's
611 apokrinomai-
1) to give an answer to a question proposed, to answer
2) to begin to speak, but always where something has preceded (either said or done) to which the remarks refer

"And one of the elders answered, saying, unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?"
v14
"And I said unto him, Sir thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation..."

as in - the two witnesses were slain by the beast already
The two witnesses (slain during the 6th trumpet time) would to be among that group.


as to the v 13 part
"whence" came they?
Strong's
4159 pothen (poth'-en);
from the base of 4213 with enclitic adverb of origin; from which (as interrogative) or what (as relative) place, state, source or cause:

Thayer's
KJV-- whence.
4159 pothen-
1) used of place: from where, from what condition
2) used of origin or source: from what author or giver
3) used of cause: How is that? How can that be?


In verse 9 - John knows that all of the nations and people, tongues and kindreds are being represented within this huge group?

I ask how does John know all of that - unless he has watched the great tribulation events? He also uses lingo here that he has in the later chapters.

Rev. 13:
"kindreds"
"tongues"
"nations"

Rev. 11
"people"
"kindreds"
"tongues"
"nations"

I say that John would have not known where everybody was from for Rev. 7 -if he had not been watching the nations be slain for the great tribulation time?

John would have just said that he saw a great multitude.
But - he goes into great detail to tell us what areas they came from.
i.e..
"all nations"

vinsight4u8
Mar 29th 2009, 01:01 AM
Don't think the trumpets sound in Rev. 8.
Stop and consider something important.

John puts it to us as "the seven angels".

Rev. 8:2

as - they are the already seen somewhere else angels

Ok.

Now look at the end part of Rev. 7 - men are inside the temple.
but if we let Rev. 8's trumpet story come next...
it will toss those guys right back out again.
Why?
Because the angel is using incense in the temple.
That is why an angel must offer the prayers for all of the saints.

Rev. 7 takes us back in time to help make the seals clearer and Rev. 8 carries the already seen by John trumpet story.