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Lanie
Apr 28th 2009, 07:22 AM
In Jesaja 5:2 staan

En Hy het dit omgespit en die klippe daar uitgehaal en dit beplant met edel wingerdstokke; en Hy het 'n toring daar binne-in gebou en ook 'n parskuip daarin uitgekap; en Hy het verwag dat dit druiwe sou dra, maar dit het wilde druiwe voortgebring.

Spring asseblief in en help my reg as ek verkeerd is, maar soos ek hierdie vers verstaan beteken dit dat die Eienaar van die wingerd baie moeite gedoen het om te verseker dat Hy 'n goeie oes kry en ook verwag het dat dit druiwe sou dra, maar toe het Hy nie die oes gekry wat Hy verwag het nie. Verstaan ek die vers reg? Ondersteun hierdie vers vrye wil, of nie?

Johnny
Apr 29th 2009, 11:32 AM
Lanie,

Dit is nou wel in engels, maar glo dit sal help.

Isa 5:1-30 -
After this the Spirit of God begins to plead with the people, taking two distinct grounds-namely, that which God had done for His people, and the coming of Jehovah in the Person of Christ in glory. Had the people made a suitable return to the care which Jehovah had lavished upon them? Were they in a condition to receive Jehovah in their midst? Chapter 5 takes up the first question, which addresses itself to the responsibility of the people, in view of the care and the government of God. What could He have done for His vine that He had not done? It has produced Him but wild grapes. He makes known the consequences of this according to His righteous government. His hedge, the protection with which He had surrounded it, shall be taken away, and it shall be left a prey to the ravages of the heathen. God, in pleading with Israel, shews them their sins in detail. Then His hand is stretched forth against His people, and terrible judgments fall upon them. Nevertheless, "His anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still." He will bring mighty strangers against them, whose progress nothing can arrest, who will carry the people into captivity. There shall be sorrow and mourning in the land, and the light of their heavens shall be darkened. In the first instance this will be Nebuchadnezzar, and even Sennacherib but still more fully will it be the nations that come against Jerusalem in the last days, and capture it, after having overrun and invaded all the land. We shall have the details of this farther on.

Tonton
Apr 29th 2009, 11:43 AM
Lanie,

Ook in Engels, maar die MattheW-Henry Commentary hanteer jou vraag as volg:

Verses 1-7 Christ is God's beloved Son, and our beloved Saviour. The care of the Lord over the church of Israel, is described by the management of a vineyard. The advantages of our situation will be brought into the account another day. He planted it with the choicest vines; gave them a most excellent law, instituted proper ordinances. The temple was a tower, where God gave tokens of his presence. He set up his altar, to which the sacrifices should be brought; all the means of grace are denoted thereby. God expects fruit from those that enjoy privileges. Good purposes and good beginnings are good things, but not enough; there must be vineyard fruit; thoughts and affections, words and actions, agreeable to the Spirit. It brought forth bad fruit. Wild grapes are the fruits of the corrupt nature. Where grace does not work, corruption will.

Groete,
Anton