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Cyberseeker
Nov 9th 2009, 09:01 AM
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come … So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (Galatians 3:19,24-25)

The law was added temporarily at Sinai (verse 17) and it lasted until the ‘seed’ (Christ) came. After that, we as believers are no longer under the law.

Now, my question is this: Was the law annulled for all people when the seed came? Or was it annulled for believers only?

I.O.W. does God consider the law still is force for unbelievers and annulled (individually) as they come to faith?

Cyberseeker

Clydson
Nov 10th 2009, 03:28 PM
The law was added temporarily at Sinai (verse 17) and it lasted until the ‘seed’ (Christ) came. After that, we as believers are no longer under the law.

Now, my question is this: Was the law annulled for all people when the seed came? Or was it annulled for believers only?

I.O.W. does God consider the law still is force for unbelievers and annulled (individually) as they come to faith?

Cyberseeker
The Gentile nations were never amenable to the Law of Moses. This was a special law that governed only the covenant between God and Israel. This particular covenant was effectual long before Moses received the law at Sinai. Thus, it can be said that there was a change of law and priesthood even with Israel.

When Jesus came with his ratified covenant, there again was a change of law and priesthood, Heb 7:12. This covenant is effective for all nations, including Israel. This then, along with scripture which clearly says so, renders the old law ineffectual, including the covenant it governed. In fact, it has become "a ministry of death", 2 Cor 3:7ff, including the Ten Commandments.

Cyberseeker
Nov 10th 2009, 05:55 PM
Thanks for answering. I guess what Im trying to think through is concerning unbelievers. How can unbelievers be judged guilty if they are not under a legal system that defines sin?

Firstfruits
Nov 10th 2009, 07:31 PM
Thanks for answering. I guess what Im trying to think through is concerning unbelievers. How can unbelievers be judged guilty if they are not under a legal system that defines sin?

The following scripture tells us how we shall all be judged.

2 Thess 1:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=53&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Pet 4:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=60&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

theBelovedDisciple
Nov 10th 2009, 10:44 PM
The following scripture tells us how we shall all be judged.

2 Thess 1:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=53&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Pet 4:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=60&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

God bless you!

Firstfruits


God will judge His Children with a flaming fire taking vengenance on them?
is this what your saying...??

or are you referring this done to those who 'know' not God...



a Believers works will be tested .. by fire.. but if they burn up.. thats what burns up... but the Believer shall still be saved...

Sirus
Nov 11th 2009, 03:21 AM
Thanks for answering. I guess what Im trying to think through is concerning unbelievers. How can unbelievers be judged guilty if they are not under a legal system that defines sin?Consider these......
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
All the world is not, and has never been, under the Mosaic law. That was for Israel.
All the world is under the law written on their heart.
No believer, whether Jew or Gentile, is under the Mosaic law.
ALL are under the natural/heart/conscience law. It is the law we will all be judged by.

Cyberseeker
Nov 11th 2009, 03:29 AM
ALL are under the natural/heart/conscience law. It is the law we will all be judged by.

Thanks Sirus,

I do believe you have hit the nail on the head.

crossnote
Nov 11th 2009, 04:22 AM
Thanks for answering. I guess what Im trying to think through is concerning unbelievers. How can unbelievers be judged guilty if they are not under a legal system that defines sin?


He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 3:18)

Partaker of Christ
Nov 12th 2009, 12:55 AM
Consider these......

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
All the world is not, and has never been, under the Mosaic law. That was for Israel.
All the world is under the law written on their heart.
No believer, whether Jew or Gentile, is under the Mosaic law.
ALL are under the natural/heart/conscience law. It is the law we will all be judged by.

Great post!

Now if Cyberseeker don't mind, I would like to expand the OP.

If those who are under the law, are judged by the law, what is that judgment for failing to keep the whole of the law?

If I have this right, Paul said that the law came in to expose sin as sin. He also said that the law did not annul the promise.

If a person is a child of the promise, that God had made with the fathers, and he does not receive the promise, because he broke the law. Then wouldn't that mean that the law annulled the promise?