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Firstfruits
Apr 20th 2010, 12:49 PM
According to the following scripture, before faith came, the law led us to Christ, now that faith has come we are no longer led to Christ by the law, but by faith.

If we continue to believe that we need the law to lead us to Christ, then is faith made void?

Gal 3:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Rom 4:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Rom 3:28 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

genealogist
Apr 20th 2010, 02:19 PM
The concept of faith being made void is that there were those who believe that the keeping of the Law is the basis for receiving or not receiving the promises of Abraham. Paul would then argue, if that's the case, then faith (i.e. and e.g of Abraham) would be pointless. But what did he say about the faith of Abraham?

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness....For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect

Gillian
Apr 20th 2010, 02:42 PM
is we continue to belive teh OT laws to lead us to Christ, then faith is worthless , made volid by Christ.`



OT laws all pointed to Christ and by` old laws Christ should be reconisged by all, bringing a better convert. Yet the OT laws jusficed all OT saints`a faiths in that time.

Gillian

Firstfruits
Apr 20th 2010, 03:30 PM
The concept of faith being made void is that there were those who believe that the keeping of the Law is the basis for receiving or not receiving the promises of Abraham. Paul would then argue, if that's the case, then faith (i.e. and e.g of Abraham) would be pointless. But what did he say about the faith of Abraham?

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness....For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect

Do we still need the law to lead us to Christ if we are being led by the spirit, or does the following scripture mean that we can depend on the Holy Spirit to guide us?

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Firstfruits

Slug1
Apr 20th 2010, 04:08 PM
Do we still need the law to lead us to Christ if we are being lead by the spirit, or does the following scripture mean that we can depend on the Holy Spirit to guide us?

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

FirstfruitsYes... relationship with God, through Jesus, led by the Holy Spirit, period!

notuptome
Apr 20th 2010, 05:51 PM
According to the following scripture, before faith came, the law led us to Christ, now that faith has come we are no longer led to Christ by the law, but by faith.

If we continue to believe that we need the law to lead us to Christ, then is faith made void?

Gal 3:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Rom 4:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Rom 3:28 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

God bless you!

Firstfruits
The law was weak and could only bring the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:20 Faith has always been the means of obtaining righteousness. Rom 4:3 All the great patriarchs of Israel were justified by faith and not by works. Heb 11 speaks of many who like Noah became heir of righteousness which is by faith Heb 11:7

OT or NT faith is unchanged.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Firstfruits
Apr 20th 2010, 06:52 PM
Yes... relationship with God, through Jesus, led by the Holy Spirit, period!

Yes I agree with you!

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Apr 20th 2010, 06:54 PM
The law was weak and could only bring the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:20 Faith has always been the means of obtaining righteousness. Rom 4:3 All the great patriarchs of Israel were justified by faith and not by works. Heb 11 speaks of many who like Noah became heir of righteousness which is by faith Heb 11:7

OT or NT faith is unchanged.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thanks Roger,

Agreed.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Nomad
Apr 20th 2010, 09:02 PM
The Law as a school master leading us to Christ, (as Paul puts it), means that the Law shows us that we are incapable of keeping its demands and therefore, we are in need of a savior. The Law acts as a mirror showing us what we are, (sinnners) and who we need, (Jesus). This is quite different than the drawing and influence of the Holy Spirit, but the two work together. Faith is not made void by this process rather. It's established. Faith is the God ordained instrument whereby we reach out and receive God's grace.

Firstfruits
Apr 21st 2010, 12:21 PM
The Law as a school master leading us to Christ, (as Paul puts it), means that the Law shows us that we are incapable of keeping its demands and therefore, we are in need of a savior. The Law acts as a mirror showing us what we are, (sinnners) and who we need, (Jesus). This is quite different than the drawing and influence of the Holy Spirit, but the two work together. Faith is not made void by this process rather. It's established. Faith is the God ordained instrument whereby we reach out and receive God's grace.

But it says that "now that faith has come" we are no longer under a school master.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The law was our schoolmaster.

Firstfruits