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Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 03:22 PM
Would this be a good response to those who tell us to "Keep your religion to yourself" or "Don't preach to me" ?

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HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 03:23 PM
Sure... if you want to validate and justify their objections to Christianity.

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 03:25 PM
Did Jesus use a paddle to bring the lost to Himself?

RabbiKnife
May 3rd 2010, 03:27 PM
Never use a weapon that may be taken away from you and used upon you.

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 03:28 PM
Did Jesus use a paddle to bring the lost to Himself?

No, but he used the fear of Hell. Also, what do you make of Luke 22:36?

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 03:38 PM
the fear of hell? how is a paddle used to beat someone into submission analogous to telling people about hell?

A sword? How about for protection. I don't recall any of the apostles making converts at sword point, do you?

i can hear it all now, "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly - but if you don't agree with me, I'll beat you till you do. And the beating WILL continue until morale improves".

i simply cannot find that section of scripture ANYWHERE in the bible. But I do find this:

I John 4
8 - The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

Firefighter
May 3rd 2010, 03:38 PM
While he warned about hell for sure, to say that he used fear would in my opinion be seriously flawed...

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

If Jesus isn't perfect love I do not know what is... ;)

HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 03:45 PM
The threat of violence works so well for Muslims... why shouldn't Christianity copy them? oh... wait...

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HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 03:47 PM
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May be if more of our detractors were given this kind of treatment we could feel ... wait... how are we supposed to feel about injustice again?

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 03:47 PM
Sherry, maybe you are just having a bad day and feel that no one wants to hear what you have to share. If I may make a suggestion? Try sharing the Good News of the Gospel and not the bad news of hell.

I'm sorry if I came off as brusk and uncharitable.
V

HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 03:55 PM
Know what would help these women find Christ? A beat down by yet another person who doesn't give a damn about them.

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HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 03:57 PM
http://marychristinalove.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/image0011.jpg

Pop quiz. Did this woman convert to Christianity because she recognized the violence and oppression of the religion she came from? Or did she convert out of fear of another vicious beat down?

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 03:58 PM
I have heard that Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven, but I'm not sure that is accurate.

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 03:59 PM
Sherry, what does the word "gospel" mean?

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 03:59 PM
http://marychristinalove.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/image0011.jpg

Pop quiz. Did this woman convert to Christianity because she recognized the violence and oppression of the religion she came from? Or did she convert out of fear of another vicious beat down?
The first one.......

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 04:01 PM
Sherry, what does the word "gospel" mean?

Good News........

HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 04:01 PM
The first one.......

Really? How do you know she didn't just tell someone not to preach to her? I mean... people who do that should have violence perpetrated upon them... shouldn't they?

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 04:02 PM
So tell me - what's the "good news" about hell or telling someone they are hell bound?

Firefighter
May 3rd 2010, 04:03 PM
Physical violence is not the only kind of "beat down" we can issue. Be mindful of this when posting...

HisLeast
May 3rd 2010, 04:05 PM
http://www.remnantofgod.org/archives/images/inquisition.jpg

Maybe we could have a renewed Inquisition. I mean... its better that someone be tortured into submission of the word than an eternity in hell right?

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 04:07 PM
So tell me - what's the "good news" about hell or telling someone they are hell bound?

It's not, but I have heard preachers say Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven.

Firefighter
May 3rd 2010, 04:09 PM
He spoke more about money than he did Heaven and Hell put together, so I don't really get the point. Should we speak of money when witnessing?

Vhayes
May 3rd 2010, 04:17 PM
It's not, but I have heard preachers say Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven.

I don't know is that's a true statement or not but does it really matter? Mostly when Jesus spoke of hell, He was speaking to the religious crowd, not unbelievers. The folks who HOULD have recognized Him but did not.

This is the message Jesus had for the sinner:
Matthew 11
28" - Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

John 6
47 - "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

and just for good measure:
16 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

notuptome
May 3rd 2010, 05:41 PM
Hell should not be used as a weapon to brow beat sinners. We ought not to minimize the horrors of hell either. Hell was created for the devil and his angels not for man. Men who reject the grace of God will spend eternity in hell that is not a threat but a fact. It is completely natural to fear burning in torment forever and ever.

When you are rebuffed for Christ do not try to retaliate by threatening the sinner with hell. Do good to them who despitefully use you and by so doing heap coals upon their head. Love the sinner and let your conduct be seasoned with grace.

There is always hope. I know of many Christians today who rebuffed the soul winners that first approached them. Kindness in sharing the gospel will overcome the hostility of sinners. If they had no reaction I would worry even more but that they do react that is evidence that the Holy Spirit is dealing with their hearts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Sherry W
May 3rd 2010, 05:52 PM
I don't know is that's a true statement or not but does it really matter? Mostly when Jesus spoke of hell, He was speaking to the religious crowd, not unbelievers. The folks who HOULD have recognized Him but did not.

This is the message Jesus had for the sinner:
Matthew 11
28" - Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

John 6
47 - "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

and just for good measure:
16 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Since all Americans all ready know the Good News, isn't it just rebellion against God to rebuff us? America has had the New Testament on it's soil for four hundred years now, beginning with the Geneva Bible the Puritans brought with them on the Mayflower.

Firefighter
May 3rd 2010, 05:54 PM
You would be surprised at how many people do not know the gospel. Some churches are full of them, not to mention the bars...

theBelovedDisciple
May 3rd 2010, 05:58 PM
If your rebuffed or reproached......for the Name of Christ... the Word says to 'REJOICE'... for the Glory of God resteth upon you....on their part..... He is evil spoken of.. but on your part.. He is Glorified...

whether this reproach comes from the drunkard or prostitute.. or the religious person.. who esteems himself/herself to be walking in the 'light'.. yet walks in Great Darkness...

We don't Save.. its God that Saves People.. and He uses the Holy Ghost to draw the sinner and Reveal Himself to that person..

and its the Goodness of God that leads a sinner to Repentance... its the Revelation of that Goodness that will melt the hard hearted sinnner... this done thru the Work of the Eternal Spirit...

not by power.. nor by might... but by My Spirit, saith the LORD...



The Reality of Hell is 'real'.. and it needs to be Preached.... Jesus sure didn't mince words when He spoke about the Reality of Hell.. and consequences of unbelief....

telling people about 'hell'.. needs to be done in balance... as the Holy Ghost Leads you to teach and preach.. whether its the tax collector down the street.. or the relgious person who believes they will be in Heaven because of 'church membership' or 'group affiliation'.. yet never tasted the New Birth.. or been Born AGain from Above..

TBD

Firefighter
May 3rd 2010, 05:58 PM
Since all Americans all ready know the Good News, isn't it just rebellion against God to rebuff us? America has had the New Testament on it's soil for four hundred years now, beginning with the Geneva Bible the Puritans brought with them on the Mayflower.

If you are sharing the gospel in a biblical manner, they are always rejecting God and not you. Sadly many times, Christian's approaches leave much to be desired and the person rejects the messenger and not the message.

I have a question for you Sherry... Does it makes sense that someone that doesn't believe in God would believe in hell? I have never met someone that believed in hell without believing in God first.

-SEEKING-
May 3rd 2010, 06:03 PM
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