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moonglow
Aug 27th 2010, 05:12 PM
Kind of wondering about this since its used alot on the board and among Christians in general. As our pastor pointed out some people have been literally sitting and waiting on God to call them to do something for years...

He was giving example of people asked to serve in church saying well if God calls me to do that I will...and they don't do anything at all. :hmm:

And some think if God has called us to do something 'doors will open' and the 'path is made easy' for us to do that thing...yet if we read just the story of Joseph in the bible, clearly his path was far from easy and most of it was totally out of his control...yet as the bible says, 'God was with him'. (one example of many in his story: Genesis: 39:21 But the Lord was with Joseph in the prison and showed him his faithful love.

So I am wondering...what is the scriptural support on saying 'God calls us' to do a certain thing?

Thanks

God bless

RabbiKnife
Aug 27th 2010, 05:14 PM
Not much!

God requires us to be stewards of all of the gifts he gives to us, including brain power, energy, and opportunity.

moonglow
Aug 27th 2010, 05:27 PM
Not much!

God requires us to be stewards of all of the gifts he gives to us, including brain power, energy, and opportunity.

The idea seems to be IF God has called someone to do a certain thing..it will work out for them..if it doesn't work it, it means He didn't call them to do that in the first place..:hmm: And I have heard some amazing examples given how 'God made a way' for a certain thing to happen...so its sounds right..

But when I read the bible..I just don't see anyone following God having smooth sailing on anything He had them do..it was hard, dirty, sweating..at times life threatening work!

So where did we get these ideas from in the first place?
:hmm:

RabbiKnife
Aug 27th 2010, 05:29 PM
Pop psychology preaching.

HisLeast
Aug 27th 2010, 07:33 PM
I haven't been able to get my arms around this either. While I certainly sympathize and understand why people want direction and validation from the Almighty, at some point, it begins to feel like using God as a divining rod. There is an incapability to progress unless God points the way with a big neon sign.

Kuddos to MG for linking this concept to the story of Joseph. I can't imagine him thinking "Does God want me to jump in this pit or not" or "Should I accept Pharaoh's promotion"

Ta-An
Aug 27th 2010, 07:34 PM
The idea seems to be IF God has called someone to do a certain thing..Sometimes people just don't listen for they know not His voice :D

slightlypuzzled
Aug 27th 2010, 07:46 PM
The biblical examples show us people who committed the way to God, and God, through what they faced, helped them to mature and grow, as they committed all they had to Him. At least, that is how I read the lives of Abraham, Joseph, David, and many others. God never said it would be smooth sailing, He only promised that He would never leave us or forsake us. Mary Stevenson's famous poem is a good echo of God's promise to never leave us:

Footprins in the Sand
Mary Stevenson

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.

This bothered me because I noticed
that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
anguish, sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints.

So I said to the Lord,
“You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most, you have not been there for me?”

The Lord replied,
“The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in the sand,
is when I carried you.”

moonglow
Aug 27th 2010, 08:32 PM
I haven't been able to get my arms around this either. While I certainly sympathize and understand why people want direction and validation from the Almighty, at some point, it begins to feel like using God as a divining rod. There is an incapability to progress unless God points the way with a big neon sign.

Kuddos to MG for linking this concept to the story of Joseph. I can't imagine him thinking "Does God want me to jump in this pit or not" or "Should I accept Pharaoh's promotion"

Now I know many Christians didn't like the movie Bruce Almighty but your post reminded me of when he was driving his car praying for a sign from God and the truck in front of him was filled with signs to STOP, slow down, etc...which he ignored and wrecked his car...:rolleyes::lol:

I do believe God guides us in difficult times for sure and is with us as He was with Joseph. Joseph had totally no control over what was happening to him for years and years and years, yet he could decide how to handle each situation he was in and he always honored God...so God was with him. The only time God got upset with him is when through his own efforts he tried to get out of prison instead of relying on God. :hmm:

I image most of us would want out of prison..especially being falsely accused of a crime! Yet He had to just wait on the Lord in this case. But he wasn't waiting on God to give him the thumbs up to do a certain thing. He fact again he had no control over how he got out of prison. So it wasn't a matter of him waiting on the Lord to tell him what to do...or being called to do a certain thing either. God gave him the spiritual gift to interpreting dreams and so he did what naturally came to him and in the end..that is what got him out of prison.

:hmm:

We know there are certain things we should be doing without having to ask God..worshiping Him, prayer, bible study, taking care of our families, being good stewards of what He has given us (I mean seriously I hope no one is asking God if they should clean house or mow the yard)...those things are a given. Serving in church should be a given too yet people get stuck on that one for some reason..
deciding a job career..if its not illegal or against anything God says, why not then?

Well anyway as our pastor said...you don't have to wait to 'be called from God' just do everything for His glory. Obviously with that in mind I don't think anyone is going to decide to be a serial killer or something...:rolleyes:

Thanks slightlypuzzled..I know that one by heart. :)


Ta-An

Sometimes people just don't listen for they know not His voice

Maybe they don't need too. :hmm:

God bless

Ta-An
Aug 27th 2010, 08:36 PM
Maybe they don't need too. :hmm:

God bless:hmm: How can you hear that you are called unless you can 'hear' ??

moonglow
Aug 27th 2010, 08:39 PM
:hmm: How can you hear that you are called unless you can 'hear' ??

That is my question though..where does it say in the bible we have to be called to do something?

Kahtar
Aug 27th 2010, 09:20 PM
Acts 13:2 KJV As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Romans 1:1 KJV Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 1:7 KJV To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 7:17 KJV But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
2 Timothy 1:9 KJV Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Hebrews 11:8 KJV By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Mostly, we are called to be witnesses, to testify of Christ and what he had done in each of our lives. We are called to love our neighbor. That takes on many forms.
We are called to obedience, and that takes on many forms.
Perhaps a better question is, are we called to do nothing?

moonglow
Aug 27th 2010, 09:42 PM
Acts 13:2 KJV As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Romans 1:1 KJV Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 1:7 KJV To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 7:17 KJV But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
2 Timothy 1:9 KJV Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Hebrews 11:8 KJV By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Mostly, we are called to be witnesses, to testify of Christ and what he had done in each of our lives. We are called to love our neighbor. That takes on many forms.
We are called to obedience, and that takes on many forms.
Perhaps a better question is, are we called to do nothing?

Those were very hard for me to read..since I don't read KJV so I looked them up in the New King James version and in some I added more for content purposes:

Hebrews 11:8 Hebrews 11:8 (New King James Version)

Faithful Abraham

8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

2 Timothy 1:8-10 (New King James Version)

Not Ashamed of the Gospel

8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches. 18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called. 21 Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can be made free, rather use it. 22 For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord’s freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ’s slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called.

Romans 1:7 (New King James Version)

7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

Romans 1
Greeting
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

For the last two verses on that last passage:
Adam Clarke's bible commentary:
Verse 6. Ye are the called
Ye Romans are all invited to believe in Christ Jesus, for the salvation of your souls; and to you, with the rest, my apostolical mission extends. This appears to be the most obvious sense of the word called in this place-to be called by the Gospel is to be invited to believe in Christ Jesus, and become his disciples. The word sometimes means constituted, or made, as in Romans 1:1.

Verse 7. Called to be saints
Invited to become holy persons, by believing the Gospel and receiving the gifts of the Holy Ghost. Or, here, the word may have the meaning of made or constituted, as above; to all that be in Rome, CONSTITUTED saints, for they had already received the Gospel grace, and were formed into a Christian Church.


Mostly, we are called to be witnesses, to testify of Christ and what he had done in each of our lives. We are called to love our neighbor. That takes on many forms.
We are called to obedience, and that takes on many forms.
Perhaps a better question is, are we called to do nothing?

Most of those the call is being called to believe..to be followers of Christ. Abraham literally followed God where as now most of the time we spiritually follow Christ. Paul and the other disciples were given direct instructions from Christ to go out into all the world to preach the gospel. This was new ground that was being broken. And now we have missionaries that do this...but do they have to wait to be called by God directly like these first disciples?

Being obedient and witnessing again are all givens and we shouldn't have to be called by God to do such things.

I don't think the question should be are we called to do nothing? Many people are currently doing nothing because they think they have to be personally called by God to do something...

Thanks for the verses..that at least gives me a clue of where this idea came from in the first place. That people think they need to be called to serve in church...or to witness to someone, or take a certain job...anything that requires a yes or a no, they say they have to be called by God..are waiting on Him to call them to do that..so they sit and don't do anything at all.

Given our nature (God given) talents and spiritual gifts it seems we would be naturally drawn toward helping with certain things in church. A person that loves kid would want to help in those areas...someone that doesn't isn't going to want too and probably shouldn't. Someone that likes to sing is going to want to be part of that in church and so forth...but yet many won't do anything because they are waiting to be called by God. :(

This is just one small example of course out of many out there.

God bless

nzyr
Aug 27th 2010, 10:46 PM
I was thinking of these scriptures when I read the question:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
(Romans 12)

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. (1 Corinthians 12)

Kahtar
Aug 28th 2010, 01:04 AM
I don't think the question should be are we called to do nothing? Many people are currently doing nothing because they think they have to be personally called by God to do something...This, in my thinking, is the real issue. It is true, to a certain extent, that God's direction is necessary. There are just as many out there busying themselves 'doing good things', and not waiting on the Lord for His direction. In other words, they are doing good things, not God things. And doing it in their own strength and abilities.
So there you have both ends of the pendulum.
Somewhere in the middle is a person who is willing to do whatever God (Holy Spirit) direct him to do, and is willing to wait for God's timing.
Most of those sitting in the pews 'waiting to hear from God' already have, and are simply not willing, or not believing until thunder and lightening appear and a booming voice from heaven says 'Go do this........' They are expecting some grand ministry in which they are immediately set up on a pedastal and the whole world acknowledges that they have been 'called of God'.
God doesn't work that way tho. A little step here, and when one is obedient with that, another little step there. One little step at a time, and our obedience and faith is the key factor. And sometimes those little steps lead us into difficult and even impossible circumstances in which only God can get us through it, or out of it, only by His power are we able to do it. But in each case, obedience and faith are tested and exercised.
And there are no booming voices, no burning bushes (well, sometimes there is), no thunder and lightening. Just a still small voice saying 'Go speak to that person', "Go pray with that one" 'Go feed that one'.
In cases of being called to missionary work or other situations that we would consider 'life-changing', He will confirm what He speaks in your heart through two or three trusted others, like the pastor, or spouse, etc.
But honestly, if one is listening, the simple act of walking through the mall is often where He speaks and directs us, or our workplace.
Listen, trust, obey. That is truly what we are called to do, regardless where it leads us.

moonglow
Aug 28th 2010, 01:56 AM
This, in my thinking, is the real issue. It is true, to a certain extent, that God's direction is necessary. There are just as many out there busying themselves 'doing good things', and not waiting on the Lord for His direction. In other words, they are doing good things, not God things. And doing it in their own strength and abilities.
So there you have both ends of the pendulum.
Somewhere in the middle is a person who is willing to do whatever God (Holy Spirit) direct him to do, and is willing to wait for God's timing.
Most of those sitting in the pews 'waiting to hear from God' already have, and are simply not willing, or not believing until thunder and lightening appear and a booming voice from heaven says 'Go do this........' They are expecting some grand ministry in which they are immediately set up on a pedastal and the whole world acknowledges that they have been 'called of God'.
God doesn't work that way tho. A little step here, and when one is obedient with that, another little step there. One little step at a time, and our obedience and faith is the key factor. And sometimes those little steps lead us into difficult and even impossible circumstances in which only God can get us through it, or out of it, only by His power are we able to do it. But in each case, obedience and faith are tested and exercised.
And there are no booming voices, no burning bushes (well, sometimes there is), no thunder and lightening. Just a still small voice saying 'Go speak to that person', "Go pray with that one" 'Go feed that one'.
In cases of being called to missionary work or other situations that we would consider 'life-changing', He will confirm what He speaks in your heart through two or three trusted others, like the pastor, or spouse, etc.
But honestly, if one is listening, the simple act of walking through the mall is often where He speaks and directs us, or our workplace.
Listen, trust, obey. That is truly what we are called to do, regardless where it leads us.

While I agree with much of what you have said, I have never ever had anyone come to me and say God said I should do something that was on my mind. In fact if you don't mind (not trying to be difficult or challenging here at all...just tired) can you post the scripture that says we have to have things confirmed through other people before we do it? Why can't God Himself just tell us? I never understood that actually. I usually just ask Him.

Gosh if I waited on people telling me something was ok I would have done nothing...

I do agree with what you are saying about how sometimes people jump into something without praying first. That is something else the pastor mentioned. While yes we are to go witness...share the gospel..sometimes we need to wait before a certain person we are thinking about talking to is ready. The timing isn't right. And we can blow it by pushing it on someone who isn't in the right state of mind yet. Not praying and talking to God about it first.

That reminded me of a lady I used to work with that acted like we were all unsaved heathens and could not talk without throwing God or Jesus in every sentence. It was bible thumping at its worse..it really was. She just drove me up the wall. :(
And I agree...our mission field is actually all around us! We don't have to go far away over seas to do that.

God bless

Kahtar
Aug 28th 2010, 04:11 AM
While I agree with much of what you have said, I have never ever had anyone come to me and say God said I should do something that was on my mind. In fact if you don't mind (not trying to be difficult or challenging here at all...just tired) can you post the scripture that says we have to have things confirmed through other people before we do it? Why can't God Himself just tell us? I never understood that actually. I usually just ask Him.
Most of the time, I believe He does simply tell us. But, using a missionary as an example, there are some things that require a great deal more certainty about. You don't want to go running off to the Amazon jungle unless you know for certain, and it has been confirmed by others, that you are called to do that.
I did not come to the Navajo Nation just on my own whim or feeling. Had it been up to me, I would have gone a different direction. But, the Lord spoke to me about it, confirmed it to me through a couple signs, my wife was in agreement, our pastor after praying believed it was correct, and one or two others spoke the same thing. (There were others, especially family, that let us know we were nuts, of course:lol:).
The Word says that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word is confirmed. Even in Paul's case, his calling was confirmed through others.
But all that is not necessary for the average day to day ministry that we are all called to do. We already know we're supposed to witness and pray for those around us. Walking through Walmart, if the Lord says to go speak to that lady in the isle, you don't need to call your pastors or fellow Christians for confirmation. Just go do it.

Slug1
Aug 28th 2010, 12:44 PM
So I am wondering...what is the scriptural support on saying 'God calls us' to do a certain thing?

Thanks

God blessHey Moonglow :hug:

Kahtar put out some outstanding scriptures but I have to ask you this... are you going to treat your question by the "letter" of scripture or by the "Spirit" of scripture?

I ask this because... Moses, do you really think he took his mission upon himself. He woke up one day and thought, "Hey, I'm gonna go free my people!!" Do I really NEED a scripture that says anything along the lines of what you are asking?

What about Joshua who replaced Moses. We read of scripture where Moses was ordered by God to impart part of his authority to Joshua and we see later that Joshua was given supernatural wisdom. Did Joshua AND Moses wake up one day and say, "Hey, Moses, I'm plan to replace you, give me some of what you got!"

Gideon, Samson, Saul/Paul and a prime example... Peter. Not only did this dude deny Christ but soon as Christ was killed, he went back to his old life. So what was he called to do? Be with Jesus for 3 years, only to deny Him and then go back to fishing... fish?

Jesus came back for him... do we read any words in the Bible or by example in scripture we understand... not because the Bible had to S-P-E-L-L it out for us in words that might say something like, "Peter, I have CALLED you blah, blah, blah..."

Do you really NEED such words Moonglow? Does it really have to be S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for you to believe scripture?

The Bible is FULL of examples of servants being called... but I don't thing God spelled it out to any of them. Nor does He spell it out to any of us today either.

As Ta-An said... we just have to listen to God and after that, choose to be obedient or not. The Holy Spirit will lead us, step by step through the task we're to do but that takes allot of listening also and obedience.

Not going to the Bible and telling God to SPELL it out. Specially when a simple task is such as, the Lord asking you if you'd pickup a stranger walking the road late at night and then after you tell Him, Yes. About 30 minutes later you see an old man walking along the road and the Holy Spirit tells you that this is the one you're to pickup. Then once you do, find out that the man's vehicle broke down and had decided to walk to a town 25 miles away so he could make his kidney dialysis appointment early the next morning and was stubborn enough to walk all night to make it by the morning. (This did not happen to me but this testimony was given at church this month by a member of our church).

So if you were "called" by God to be the one to drive this man to the next town for his appointment... where in the Bible would God SPELL this out for you to be obedient to His will?

TomH
Aug 28th 2010, 01:49 PM
Matthew 5:13
[ Salt and Light ] "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

One very good thing about salt. If used properly, it enhances the other ingredients, brings out their full flavor, but you can't taste the salt.

Too much salt (ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me. That;s what I want to do), the dish is salty. Too little salt (naw, that's not my forte), the dish is bland.

Sometimes, we're called because we're just the right amount of salt to make that perfect dish, and even we don't realize we've been used.

The key is, being available. Be available on the kitchen table. The cook can always go to the pantry to get more salt.

Jumping in when you're not called for makes the meal salty.

But hiding behind the flour makes the meal bland.

Walk out the door every day available to the Lord whenever He need just the right amount of seasoning.

VerticalReality
Aug 28th 2010, 02:52 PM
I think the difficulty for many people to believe God calls people to do specific things stems from the reality that not many people today hear God clearly enough to realize He is leading them in such a way.

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 02:42 AM
Hey Moonglow :hug:

Kahtar put out some outstanding scriptures but I have to ask you this... are you going to treat your question by the "letter" of scripture or by the "Spirit" of scripture?

I ask this because... Moses, do you really think he took his mission upon himself. He woke up one day and thought, "Hey, I'm gonna go free my people!!" Do I really NEED a scripture that says anything along the lines of what you are asking?

What about Joshua who replaced Moses. We read of scripture where Moses was ordered by God to impart part of his authority to Joshua and we see later that Joshua was given supernatural wisdom. Did Joshua AND Moses wake up one day and say, "Hey, Moses, I'm plan to replace you, give me some of what you got!"

Gideon, Samson, Saul/Paul and a prime example... Peter. Not only did this dude deny Christ but soon as Christ was killed, he went back to his old life. So what was he called to do? Be with Jesus for 3 years, only to deny Him and then go back to fishing... fish?

Jesus came back for him... do we read any words in the Bible or by example in scripture we understand... not because the Bible had to S-P-E-L-L it out for us in words that might say something like, "Peter, I have CALLED you blah, blah, blah..."

Do you really NEED such words Moonglow? Does it really have to be S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for you to believe scripture?

The Bible is FULL of examples of servants being called... but I don't thing God spelled it out to any of them. Nor does He spell it out to any of us today either.

As Ta-An said... we just have to listen to God and after that, choose to be obedient or not. The Holy Spirit will lead us, step by step through the task we're to do but that takes allot of listening also and obedience.

Not going to the Bible and telling God to SPELL it out. Specially when a simple task is such as, the Lord asking you if you'd pickup a stranger walking the road late at night and then after you tell Him, Yes. About 30 minutes later you see an old man walking along the road and the Holy Spirit tells you that this is the one you're to pickup. Then once you do, find out that the man's vehicle broke down and had decided to walk to a town 25 miles away so he could make his kidney dialysis appointment early the next morning and was stubborn enough to walk all night to make it by the morning. (This did not happen to me but this testimony was given at church this month by a member of our church).

So if you were "called" by God to be the one to drive this man to the next town for his appointment... where in the Bible would God SPELL this out for you to be obedient to His will?

Slug I am afraid you completely lost me...I have no idea what you are talking about. I just asked where do people get the idea they have to be called to do anything? Like if the pastor says he need help running some program. Do 100 people really all have to hear God give an ok on that? :hmm:

Mose had no scripture to refer too...since Moses wrote the first five books of the bible ..

Even if he had scriptures to look at why would he need to check them when God Himself was talking to him? :confused I never said anything about checking scriptures before we did something. I was talking about hearing from God, Himself. So your post..I just really don't understand it. Seems off topic to me. sorry.


TomH

Re: Where in the bible does it say God calls us to do a certain thing?
Matthew 5:13
[ Salt and Light ] "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

One very good thing about salt. If used properly, it enhances the other ingredients, brings out their full flavor, but you can't taste the salt.

Too much salt (ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me. That;s what I want to do), the dish is salty. Too little salt (naw, that's not my forte), the dish is bland.

Sometimes, we're called because we're just the right amount of salt to make that perfect dish, and even we don't realize we've been used.

The key is, being available. Be available on the kitchen table. The cook can always go to the pantry to get more salt.

Jumping in when you're not called for makes the meal salty.

But hiding behind the flour makes the meal bland.

Walk out the door every day available to the Lord whenever He need just the right amount of seasoning.

I agree with this.


VerticalReality

Re: Where in the bible does it say God calls us to do a certain thing?
I think the difficulty for many people to believe God calls people to do specific things stems from the reality that not many people today hear God clearly enough to realize He is leading them in such a way.

Seems like the opposite to me..especially on the board. Its constant..well if God called you to do that, it'll work out (yet as I said before..many times its a very rough road..not smooth at all like people tell each other on here).

God bless

Slug1
Aug 30th 2010, 12:57 PM
Slug I am afraid you completely lost me...I have no idea what you are talking about. I just asked where do people get the idea they have to be called to do anything? Like if the pastor says he need help running some program. Do 100 people really all have to hear God give an ok on that? :hmm:

Mose had no scripture to refer too...since Moses wrote the first five books of the bible ..

Even if he had scriptures to look at why would he need to check them when God Himself was talking to him? :confused I never said anything about checking scriptures before we did something. I was talking about hearing from God, Himself. So your post..I just really don't understand it. Seems off topic to me. sorry.

Seem's I misunderstood you then...

You said this:


So I am wondering...what is the scriptural support on saying 'God calls us' to do a certain thing?

I was just stating that if God called you to... let's say witness to someone. We're told to bring the Gospel to all the world but what about a specific person? If we're called to do such a task for God, is there scripture to "support" such a task? Well, if a person was looking for scripture stating that I am to walk on a certain street and witness to a person named Bob, then YES there is scriptural support :lol:

Now does the Bible have to state the "name" Bob, or the street name? No, the Bible does not and that's what I was saying about the "letter" of scripture vs the "Spirit" of scripture.

So does a person "hear" God speak to them... yes, but only if they are listening. We have the Holy Spirit that does all this prompting and by following this prompting, simply means that we're listening to God.

Anyway... I'll step out :lol:

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 05:05 PM
Seem's I misunderstood you then...

You said this:


I was just stating that if God called you to... let's say witness to someone. We're told to bring the Gospel to all the world but what about a specific person? If we're called to do such a task for God, is there scripture to "support" such a task? Well, if a person was looking for scripture stating that I am to walk on a certain street and witness to a person named Bob, then YES there is scriptural support :lol:

Now does the Bible have to state the "name" Bob, or the street name? No, the Bible does not and that's what I was saying about the "letter" of scripture vs the "Spirit" of scripture.

So does a person "hear" God speak to them... yes, but only if they are listening. We have the Holy Spirit that does all this prompting and by following this prompting, simply means that we're listening to God.

Anyway... I'll step out :lol:

Yes I asked for scriptures so I could understand why people are constantly saying this to others...but I wasn't saying "I" need scriptures to use as some excuse for something...or I needed scriptures to prove something to myself which seemed like that was what you were saying. If God tells me something..I believe it.

My concern is people using this as as an excuse to NOT do things...saying 'well God hasn't called me to do that'...

I listed the 'givens' in the bible...we are suppose to share the gospel message..not wait for God to call us to do that. We are to take care of our families..we are to serve others...serve in church and so forth. Those are in the bible. To have to be called to do those things.

I will give an example. Last summer I heard they needed more help with a kids program in church called AWANA. Now I did pray about it, due to raising my son alone..having a bad back..I wasn't sure I could handle it. I didn't wait for God to 'call me' to do this. The church needed help..I like kids..I wouldn't have even questioned helping if I didn't have some of these other things to consider. He answered and even though many times I was really tired (actually last years I had alot of sinus infections for some reason) so I was sick alot..back hurting and just plain miserable...plus it being a super cold winter..just horrible last year. I would have much rather stayed at home..nice and warm.

Every time I got read to go and put my AWANA shirt on I prayed for Him to help me serve Him by doing this. To give me the strength and ease the pain so I could and every time He did. :)

I never looked up verses in the bible..I already know what Jesus says about us being servant to others. I didn't need to see if there was anything in there about AWANA either..lol. I also didn't expect to be 'called' personally by Him to do this. Why would I when Christs makes it clear we need to be serving each other.

Alot of serving and doing things God expects us too is first in the bible and using a little common sense, helps us figure out where to serve at in church. If a person can't stand crying babies...don't serve in the nursery! If a person has a nack for gardening..go help keep up the flowers and bushes and stuff around the church. Why do we have to be called to do things like this? That is my question...

All the scriptures listed about some of these great prophets being called were people who set the way in extraordinarily situations. On something like that, yes I would expect God to call them. But not in things we are already told to do in the bible.

So hopefully makes it a little clearer what I am talking about.

God bless

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 05:12 PM
Most of the time, I believe He does simply tell us. But, using a missionary as an example, there are some things that require a great deal more certainty about. You don't want to go running off to the Amazon jungle unless you know for certain, and it has been confirmed by others, that you are called to do that.
I did not come to the Navajo Nation just on my own whim or feeling. Had it been up to me, I would have gone a different direction. But, the Lord spoke to me about it, confirmed it to me through a couple signs, my wife was in agreement, our pastor after praying believed it was correct, and one or two others spoke the same thing. (There were others, especially family, that let us know we were nuts, of course:lol:).
The Word says that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word is confirmed. Even in Paul's case, his calling was confirmed through others.
But all that is not necessary for the average day to day ministry that we are all called to do. We already know we're supposed to witness and pray for those around us. Walking through Walmart, if the Lord says to go speak to that lady in the isle, you don't need to call your pastors or fellow Christians for confirmation. Just go do it.

Didn't mean to skip over your post last night..it was getting late and I was tired and I wanted to ask you some things.

Remember what I said earlier on this thread about how many times when the prophets were called to do something it was tough..really tough ..not easy going at all. I mean just looking at Paul's story...he went through some really bad times. He also witnessed many miracles too. :pp But on here and among many Christians we seem to think if God has called us to do something..He 'will make a way' ..making it easy for us. Smooth sailing all the way..so we know 'God has His hands on this'. But yet this isn't what the bible says how it happens.

So what I wanted to ask you...since God called you to do this...has it been smooth sailing for you and your wife?

Thanks.

God bless

Slug1
Aug 30th 2010, 05:47 PM
My concern is people using this as as an excuse to NOT do things...saying 'well God hasn't called me to do that'...Well, when people use this as their constant excuse, I then ask them if they have been "called" to their Pew Warming Ministry? Has their ministry brought them closer to God as He works through them by using them to hold down a pew ;)

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 06:00 PM
Well, when people use this as their constant excuse, I then ask them if they have been "called" to their Pew Warming Ministry? Has their ministry brought them closer to God as He works through them by using them to hold down a pew ;)

:lol::lol: That is pretty much what our pastor has said...on many occasions. :rolleyes:

Right now I am waiting for God to call me to be a good steward in regards to my overgrown grass...but so far He hasn't called me to mow it so I guess I'll let it keep growing...:cool:

Then be all upset when the city fines me for having an overgrown yard...:hmm:

God bless

TomH
Aug 30th 2010, 06:02 PM
Well, when people use this as their constant excuse, I then ask them if they have been "called" to their Pew Warming Ministry? Has their ministry brought them closer to God as He works through them by using them to hold down a pew ;)

Sorta like...
Don't call me in the game coach, I'm just here to watch the game from the good seats.

Kahtar
Aug 30th 2010, 06:23 PM
So what I wanted to ask you...since God called you to do this...has it been smooth sailing for you and your wife?
Thanks.
God blessIt's only smooth sailing when we learn to place ALL our trust in Him, and look to Him instead of our circumstances. If He asks you to do something, He WILL provide the way, the strength, the words, the finances, etc. to accomplish it. But, there is always left to us the option of doing it in our own strength and abililties, or in His. And just because He provides the way doesn't mean that 'way' is an easy one. He provided a way for Paul to get to Rome. And part of that was was swimming :lol:
Easy from the world's perspective? No. Not at all. Many times it has been very tough. Financially He brought us clear to the end of our own ability to do anything, the end of our own resources, down to the day. Why? He wanted us to trust Him, not our resources.
He sent us to a people group we knew nothing about who speak a language we do not know (and, frankly, cannot learn-its a really hard language). My way would have been to go to the Lakota or Cheyenne. I know a good bit about them, their culture, religion, etc., and even some of the Lakota language. But He wanted us to put our trust in Him, not our abilities.
He required me to do no preparation of any kind for our weekly Bible study on the rez, for an entire year. He wanted me to put my trust in Him using me to speak, instead of me using my knowledge and abilities. That's probably the hardest thing He's had me do. But, really, it wasn't hard at all. It took no effort. Only trust.:)

Ta-An
Aug 30th 2010, 07:05 PM
You know MG, actually the Lord says :
Mt 28:19 Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, So the command is to GO and make disciples...... and then, what does a Disciple do??? :hmm: he /she is to be obedient to do that what is expected of that position... and all of us are called to be disciples :)

TomH
Aug 30th 2010, 07:36 PM
If people are using the 'well God hasn't called me to do that'... excuse, perhaps they're not ready to go out there and "do".

It's a two edged sword. If they cant hear the Lord say "Go", they probably won't be able to hear Him say "STOP!!!"

Talk them into more Bible study.

Beckrl
Aug 30th 2010, 08:29 PM
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecc.9:10

As babes in Christ whatever we can fine to do, do it. At some point God will direct you in an way and maybe even "call" you as in the gifts of the Spirit given to the church.
Now in saying that one is called don't necessary mean that person is great at what God has called them to minister to the body. I related to Moses and Paul both were called of God and both seem to have some type of handicap, But when we are weak He is strong.

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 08:43 PM
You know MG, actually the Lord says :
Mt 28:19 Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, So the command is to GO and make disciples...... and then, what does a Disciple do??? :hmm: he /she is to be obedient to do that what is expected of that position... and all of us are called to be disciples :)

Oh yes, of course. Those are 'givens' I mentioned. None of us should need to wait to be called what Christ already told us to do. We are all to be disciples and go and make more disciples. In other words, witness, teach, love. These aren't the type of things I am talking about though. No one should have to have God 'call' them on things like this, when its already in His Word. But yet many won't serve in church...or witness..saying God hasn't 'called them' to do that yet.

When I helped in AWANA I was 'making disciples'...teaching little children God's Word. I wasn't parting seas, or having stones thrown at me...or talking to children in some far off jungle but I think its just as important. If I waited for God to call me to do this..I wouldn't have ever done it at all. And clearly I was where I should have been because as I said, He answered my prayers every single time when I felt bad to be able to do my work for Him. :)


Beckrl


Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecc.9:10

As babes in Christ whatever we can fine to do, do it. At some point God will direct you in an way and maybe even "call" you as in the gifts of the Spirit given to the church.
Now in saying that one is called don't necessary mean that person is great at what God has called them to minister to the body. I related to Moses and Paul both were called of God and both seem to have some type of handicap, But when we are weak He is strong.


I certainly don't consider myself a 'babe' in Christ. That really wasn't a very nice thing to say actually.

You seem to be missing the point of the topic.

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 08:51 PM
It's only smooth sailing when we learn to place ALL our trust in Him, and look to Him instead of our circumstances. If He asks you to do something, He WILL provide the way, the strength, the words, the finances, etc. to accomplish it. But, there is always left to us the option of doing it in our own strength and abililties, or in His. And just because He provides the way doesn't mean that 'way' is an easy one. He provided a way for Paul to get to Rome. And part of that was was swimming :lol:
Easy from the world's perspective? No. Not at all. Many times it has been very tough. Financially He brought us clear to the end of our own ability to do anything, the end of our own resources, down to the day. Why? He wanted us to trust Him, not our resources.
He sent us to a people group we knew nothing about who speak a language we do not know (and, frankly, cannot learn-its a really hard language). My way would have been to go to the Lakota or Cheyenne. I know a good bit about them, their culture, religion, etc., and even some of the Lakota language. But He wanted us to put our trust in Him, not our abilities.
He required me to do no preparation of any kind for our weekly Bible study on the rez, for an entire year. He wanted me to put my trust in Him using me to speak, instead of me using my knowledge and abilities. That's probably the hardest thing He's had me do. But, really, it wasn't hard at all. It took no effort. Only trust.:)

I think God makes sure what He wants done, gets done..;) But sometimes..at least going by the stories in the bible..its a really rough ride.

I seem to recall you posting about your work before and you said that some people...maybe some of the Indians (don't remember for sure) were trying to put a curse on you to stop your work. I don't remember all the details now but it seems like you have meant with some opposition. :hmm:

I have read up on the Lakota Indians because I listen to a musical group by the name of Brule. The main guy was born on a Lakota reservation but given up for adoption. Raised by white parents. Later went back to discover his root.

The situation with them (the ones on the reservation) is just dire. So very, very sad. They are so isolated and live in extreme poverty. Alcoholism and teen pregnancies is very high. :( Of course its very bad on many reservations. :(

I will keep you and your wife in my prayers as you minister to these people and pray they hear!

God bless

Kahtar
Aug 30th 2010, 09:17 PM
I seem to recall you posting about your work before and you said that some people...maybe some of the Indians (don't remember for sure) were trying to put a curse on you to stop your work. I don't remember all the details now but it seems like you have meant with some opposition. :hmm:Hmmm. Yes, quite a lot of opposition actually, but honestly, what I remember in those instances is how each time God brought us through it victoriously. That, and feeling the prayers of others. That's not a cliche' btw. You actually can sense the prayer support.

The situation with them (the ones on the reservation) is just dire. So very, very sad. They are so isolated and live in extreme poverty. Alcoholism and teen pregnancies is very high. :( Of course its very bad on many reservations. :(The story is the same on nearly all of them. Drugs, alcohol, spouse and child abuse, abandonment, unemployment, prejudice, government healthcare(the poorest and most uncaring of any I've ever seen!), no hope, no future, 'defeated people's syndrome', no transportation, running water or electricity for about 70% of them, no point in doing anything but getting drunk on the government's handouts, clinging (with a death grip)to a native tradition that does not help them. Dire indeed.

I will keep you and your wife in my prayers as you minister to these people and pray they hear!Thank you so much.:hug:

moonglow
Aug 30th 2010, 09:46 PM
Hmmm. Yes, quite a lot of opposition actually, but honestly, what I remember in those instances is how each time God brought us through it victoriously. That, and feeling the prayers of others. That's not a cliche' btw. You actually can sense the prayer support.
The story is the same on nearly all of them. Drugs, alcohol, spouse and child abuse, abandonment, unemployment, prejudice, government healthcare(the poorest and most uncaring of any I've ever seen!), no hope, no future, 'defeated people's syndrome', no transportation, running water or electricity for about 70% of them, no point in doing anything but getting drunk on the government's handouts, clinging (with a death grip)to a native tradition that does not help them. Dire indeed.
Thank you so much.:hug:

Oh yea..I didn't mean to make it sound like things were tough and that was it. Of course God pulls us through. ;)

I am just tired of the fairy tale stories out there where we hear if God calls us to do something its smooth sailing...everything falls into place and it perfect all the time. Really bothers me because the bible never ever says this nor suggest that if we do God's will it will be a walk in the garden.

Anyway...

I have lived by several Indian reservations...probably told you this before. But in case I didn't..lol. ..one was in Wyoming where yes everything was given to them in government hand outs. Homes built for them. Monthly checks. Nothing to work for...hope for..dream for. So they drank..and fought. One guy drown in two inches of water in a ditch cause he passed out drunk and fell in it. Then the teenagers started hanging themselves...:cry: So they sent out people to work with them and stop the suicides. The whole thing was just so wrong, wrong, wrong. :cry: I had a few personal experiences with them myself.

I liked the ones on the Cherokee reservation in Oklahoma much better. They were poor, sure, but they had some pride..some dignity and people respected them. They were 'favored' in the school system which at that time I was pretty jealous of...feeling very 'white'..:rolleyes: er...what's so great about being boring old white? :cool:

The art teacher so catered to them. Sure they were all very very talented..extremely so, but don't ignore us whitey's, teachers :P...a few of us can paint too. Oh and I loved the jewelry they made too. :)

Very strange how depending on which state you are in how the Indians were viewed. The ones in Wyoming weren't respected much at all..they were just seen as drunks. :( Of course back then I had little understanding of why they drank so much or what was going on. And I am sure their is still much I don't know. But I do pray for them.

God bless

Beckrl
Aug 30th 2010, 10:06 PM
I certainly don't consider myself a 'babe' in Christ. That really wasn't a very nice thing to say actually.

You seem to be missing the point of the topic.

My apology, I actually was generalizing when I refer the "you".

TomH
Aug 30th 2010, 10:27 PM
My apology, I actually was generalizing when I refer the "you".

I don't see a need in your apology.
Compare the knowledge of God with the most knowledgeable human to ever have lived. An immeasurable difference.

Now hold that up to a comparison between the most knowledgeable and least knowledgeable. So small a difference as to be microscopic.

All knowledge that we obtain should not be stacked one on top the other to measure our growth, but to be given away freely as we have received it.

We are all Babes in Christ.