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percho
Sep 30th 2010, 02:10 AM
Does the creation of man in the image of God come about by the first Adam or by the last Adam?

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

christseeker
Sep 30th 2010, 02:38 AM
I'd say first since God said let us make man in our own image

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth."

Gen 1:26 HCSB

RogerW
Sep 30th 2010, 02:46 AM
Does the creation of man in the image of God come about by the first Adam or by the last Adam?

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Hi percho,

I believe Scripture shows us that in the beginning God created humans in His image and likeness.

Ge*1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge*1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

But in the fall man corrupted that image and likeness, when through deception he disobeyed God and followed the serpent (Satan).

Ro*1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Ro*1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Ro*1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Ro*1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

After the fall we read that man is born in the likeness and image of their parents; ie corruption and death.

Ge*5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

For this reason man must be born again of the Spirit of God to be righteous before Him.

Joh*3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh*3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Just as man becomes the image of their earthly father, so too when he is born again he will again bear the image of Christ. In this we are renewed in knowledge and the image of Christ as a new man in Christ.

1Co*15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co*15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Col*3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col*3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 03:02 AM
First, obviously

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:

So much for RogerW's post.

-SEEKING-
Sep 30th 2010, 03:08 AM
So much for RogerW's post.

Present your point of view, and carry on. There is no need to get personal with your post.

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 03:14 AM
just pointing out what is wrong with anothers post as people do here all day every day.

RogerW said
"After the fall we read that man is born in the likeness and image of their parents; ie corruption and death."
Scripture says
"a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:"

percho
Sep 30th 2010, 04:32 AM
I'd say first since God said let us make man in our own image

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth."

Gen 1:26 HCSB

See Hebrews 2:8,9 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing [that is] not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, --------

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 04:41 AM
That does not address or effect whether or not man is the image of God. The issue in Hebrews 2 is the dominion God gave man, not the image he was created and made in.

christseeker
Sep 30th 2010, 04:42 AM
Still we were created in His image in the Beginning

percho
Sep 30th 2010, 05:03 AM
First, obviously

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:

So much for RogerW's post.

I will admit you have a point, however as Peter says Paul writes some things hard to understand. Consider this whole passage concerning image and glory and God and Christ and men and women and also angels. I think what I am asking is what we are made/created in Christ not a more pure being in the image of God than what was created in the first Adam? Is this Adam? But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Why made a little lower than the angels? Why was the Lamb slain before the first Adam was created.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Made just like the first Adam. To bring about this?
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Was the first Adam created in order to bring about the second creation or did the second creation come about because something went wrong in the first? Did man really fall or was that the way he was created?

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 05:09 AM
Of course the spiritual is desired, but the natural came first.

RogerW
Sep 30th 2010, 03:45 PM
First, obviously

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:

So much for RogerW's post.

Well Sirus, let's see...who is Paul speaking to? Is he speaking to those of the world in unbelief...OR is he speaking to the "church"; i.e. those who profess to be in Christ? Hmmm, since Paul is teaching on how one ought to pray, I'll go with those who profess to already be "in Christ", already having been born again of the Spirit, therefore already the new man in Christ' likeness. What do you think?

percho
Sep 30th 2010, 05:55 PM
Of course the spiritual is desired, but the natural came first.

My point. Why??
2 Cor. 5:21 first part For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; How? Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: John 3:6 first part That which is born of the flesh is flesh; Heb.2:9 first part But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Why? 2 Cor. 5:21 second part that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. John 3:6 second part that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 1 Cor 15:45 second part the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. Then what you quoted. Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. John 2:21 first part For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. Now for us. John 2:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. John 5:21 second part, 22 even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Then would the creation God started in the Garden of Eden not be made complete? For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 11:21 PM
Well Sirus, let's see...who is Paul speaking to?Doesn't matter. He is speaking about mankind.

Sirus
Sep 30th 2010, 11:24 PM
Hmmm, since Paul is teaching on how one ought to prayWhat makes you think this? The issue is order and authority, not praying.