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DDGresham1
Oct 28th 2010, 04:10 PM
I have some peace in this area. I use a 12 step program as a recovery tool. These steps allow me to focus on God and lead my thoughts back to him. If you have any questions or would like to discuss, please feel free to ask. Porn and masturbation are not the core problem ( they are sin). The problem is lust. I ask you brothers and sisters: why do you do these things? Or what motivates you to do so? I look forward to your answers.

DDGresham1
Oct 28th 2010, 04:38 PM
Not judging. Just asking a simple question: What draws you to porn/lust?

Dani H
Nov 1st 2010, 07:29 PM
Mod note: I went ahead and moved this to its own thread because I think it's a worthwhile subject to discuss and exchange thoughts on, rather than being an appendage to a year-old thread elsewhere where it'll just fall through the cracks.

So ... feel free to discuss. :)

baxpack7
Nov 8th 2010, 02:11 AM
Not judging. Just asking a simple question: What draws you to porn/lust?

I think that what draws humans to porn/lust is a weakness in mind and spirit. Weakness of mind due to the fact that you can't be satisfied with normal activities and feel a selfish need to self-satisfy. Also having too much free time on your hands(no pun intended). Weakness of the spirit due to your unwillingness to let God fill that God-shaped hole that we all have. Fill your life w/activity and the lust will go awat. Especially things involving the church.

God bless!!

Francois Marais
Nov 8th 2010, 02:54 PM
Can be boredom as well as loneliness. and might I say stupidity and still is in my folks home... So guys and girls.... If you have porn in your home, get rid of it for the sake of your kids...

- Just a thought... I knew exactly where I got the VHS and how to make it look like it was never taken out from under the old jacket dad never wore... And the video that was mislabelled... And lets not talk about my own video I made (that was stolen when they broke into our house a few weeks later)
And there are other matters as friends, peer pressure and rape.

DDGresham1
Nov 9th 2010, 03:11 AM
The reason that people are drawn to porn is that they are spiritually sick. What is the main cause of this? There are many, but the main cause is self centeredness! They also let anger, resentment and fear (anxiety) move them toward porn/lust. Men and women you cannot live with lust in your life and if you have a problem with lust/porn, you cannot overcome it without God. Until you are truly ready to SURRENDER to God, you will be drawn to it again and again. I have trouble with surrender, but I am learning. I am so thankful for God's grace when it flows over me. I have to find a way to stay in that Grace by not moving away from God and toward porn/lust and the way I do that is to Surrender to God and focus on serving others. By surrendering to God, I mean absolute and unconditional surrender. No lust, focus on God's word, serving others, becoming a better husband, leader, worker, donating time, money, gifts to the poor and the list goes on. The main thing is to realize that you cannot lust...not even a little bit. Turn your anger, resentment, fear and lust over to God and focus on the things that he values.

DDGresham1
Nov 9th 2010, 03:13 AM
I think that what draws humans to porn/lust is a weakness in mind and spirit. Weakness of mind due to the fact that you can't be satisfied with normal activities and feel a selfish need to self-satisfy. Also having too much free time on your hands(no pun intended). Weakness of the spirit due to your unwillingness to let God fill that God-shaped hole that we all have. Fill your life w/activity and the lust will go awat. Especially things involving the church.

God bless!!

Brother, there sin is no greater than your sin. We are all weak in mind and spirit. God's grace sustains us. Too many of us fill our lives with all kinds of things besides God.

DDGresham1
Nov 9th 2010, 03:14 AM
Can be boredom as well as loneliness. and might I say stupidity and still is in my folks home... So guys and girls.... If you have porn in your home, get rid of it for the sake of your kids...

- Just a thought... I knew exactly where I got the VHS and how to make it look like it was never taken out from under the old jacket dad never wore... And the video that was mislabelled... And lets not talk about my own video I made (that was stolen when they broke into our house a few weeks later)
And there are other matters as friends, peer pressure and rape.

This is the trap that Satain uses to trap generations of our families. I agree, get rid of it.

david
Jan 5th 2011, 10:56 PM
I have some peace in this area. I use a 12 step program as a recovery tool. These steps allow me to focus on God and lead my thoughts back to him. If you have any questions or would like to discuss, please feel free to ask. Porn and masturbation are not the core problem ( they are sin). The problem is lust. I ask you brothers and sisters: why do you do these things? Or what motivates you to do so? I look forward to your answers.

masturbation is not even mentioned in the bible. don't use that word. don't use the word porn either, it is not in the bible.

now let's look at the scriptures. looking at woman lustfully is adultery (Matthew 5:28). but lusting after your own wife is not adultery, because she is one flesh with you, and thus she is not a woman, but your own flesh, and one man with you (Genesis 2:24, man is flesh according to Genesis 6:3). having an emission of semen makes you unclean, but only until evening (Leviticus 15:16). but we in the new covenant are not unclean, because jesus already cleansed us once for all (heb 10.10). and god says not to call anyone unclean (Acts 10:28).

Now i ask, where in the bible does it say lust is wrong? If lust is wrong, then wouldn't lusting after your own wife be wrong? and a word cannot mean two things.

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 02:21 AM
masturbation is not even mentioned in the bible. don't use that word. don't use the word porn either, it is not in the bible.

now let's look at the scriptures. looking at woman lustfully is adultery (Matthew 5:28). but lusting after your own wife is not adultery, because she is one flesh with you, and thus she is not a woman, but your own flesh, and one man with you (Genesis 2:24, man is flesh according to Genesis 6:3). having an emission of semen makes you unclean, but only until evening (Leviticus 15:16). but we in the new covenant are not unclean, because jesus already cleansed us once for all (heb 10.10). and god says not to call anyone unclean (Acts 10:28).

Now i ask, where in the bible does it say lust is wrong? If lust is wrong, then wouldn't lusting after your own wife be wrong? and a word cannot mean two things.

Your post is neither edifying in any way nor conducive to wholesome thought. Did you resurrect a two month-old thread to taint it in false knowledge?

david
Jan 6th 2011, 03:10 AM
Your post is neither edifying in any way nor conducive to wholesome thought. Did you resurrect a two month-old thread to taint it in false knowledge?

Can you please back up your refutes with reasons?

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 03:17 AM
Now i ask, where in the bible does it say lust is wrong? If lust is wrong, then wouldn't lusting after your own wife be wrong? and a word cannot mean two things.

James 4:1-4

4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?
NASU

1 John 2:15-16

15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
NASU

James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
NASU

That should about do it.

baxpack7
Jan 6th 2011, 03:18 AM
masturbation is not even mentioned in the bible. don't use that word. don't use the word porn either, it is not in the bible.

now let's look at the scriptures. looking at woman lustfully is adultery (Matthew 5:28). but lusting after your own wife is not adultery, because she is one flesh with you, and thus she is not a woman, but your own flesh, and one man with you (Genesis 2:24, man is flesh according to Genesis 6:3). having an emission of semen makes you unclean, but only until evening (Leviticus 15:16). but we in the new covenant are not unclean, because jesus already cleansed us once for all (heb 10.10). and god says not to call anyone unclean (Acts 10:28).

Now i ask, where in the bible does it say lust is wrong? If lust is wrong, then wouldn't lusting after your own wife be wrong? and a word cannot mean two things.

Let me address your first comment:
Though "porn" and "masturbation" are not words seen in the bible, it doesn't mean that someone can't use them. There are many words that aren't in scripture that we use each and every day. Nothing wrong with that.

Second, I commend you for your commentary. I'm not necessarily taking a point of view in this thread. but you do bring up a couple of good points, as some others in this thread have done as well.

Thirdly, lusting after someone or something could cause you to overindulge and therefore create a gluttonous action. Or, perhaps the lust you have for someone/something might cause some else to stumble in their Christian walk. If you are a student of scripture, you know that God is displeased w/the former and the latter.Therefore, lust, when used incorrectly can be wrong.

Oh, and I just wanted to point out that especially in the English language (but also in many other languages as well) the same word can have 2 meanings. Maybe not this word, but other words.

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 03:38 AM
masturbation is not even mentioned in the bible. don't use that word. don't use the word porn either, it is not in the bible.

now let's look at the scriptures. looking at woman lustfully is adultery (Matthew 5:28). but lusting after your own wife is not adultery, because she is one flesh with you, and thus she is not a woman, but your own flesh, and one man with you (Genesis 2:24, man is flesh according to Genesis 6:3). having an emission of semen makes you unclean, but only until evening (Leviticus 15:16). but we in the new covenant are not unclean, because jesus already cleansed us once for all (heb 10.10). and god says not to call anyone unclean (Acts 10:28).

Now i ask, where in the bible does it say lust is wrong? If lust is wrong, then wouldn't lusting after your own wife be wrong? and a word cannot mean two things.


Your post is neither edifying in any way nor conducive to wholesome thought. Did you resurrect a two month-old thread to taint it in false knowledge?


Can you please back up your refutes with reasons?

You are correct in saying that the words “masturbation” and “porn” are not included in Bible vernacular; however in modern English, these words both reek of sexual immorality, which we are commanded to flee from (1 Corinthians 6:18).
You are correct in saying that looking at a woman lustfully is adultery, but I do not think that lust enters into a marriage equation; love, desire, cherish...these are what is done between spouses. Husbands are commanded to love their wives just as Christ loved the Church (Ephesians 5:25) which involves a sacrificial non-selfish love, not lustful in any way. Lust is an emotion that longs to satisfy the cravings of the individual; “I want”, “I need”, “I covet”...this is lust. Never did Christ lust over the Church.
If you’re going to pull Leviticus into the mix, I’ll point out that this has to do with being ceremonially clean and not a condition of the heart.
The scripture you used from Acts relates to God commanding Peter to go to the home of a gentile, Cornelius, though at the time for a Jew to do such a thing was considered off-limits.
A man can certainly do things to make himself unclean. As Jesus said in Matthew 5:18-19
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
From your post it seems that you are advocating masturbation and lust to those who are being led by the Spirit to forsake such things (I hope that was not your intention).

david
Jan 6th 2011, 03:44 AM
James 4:1-4

4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?
NASU

1 John 2:15-16

15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
NASU

James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
NASU

That should about do it.
Does James 1:14-15 talk about sexual relations between us and our own wives?

14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
NASU

-SEEKING-
Jan 6th 2011, 03:45 AM
Can we apply James 1:14-15 to our own wives?:

Nope .

david
Jan 6th 2011, 03:54 AM
Nope .

If not, then we know that lust could not mean the desire of having sex, as people say, because otherwise James 1:14-15 would not be true.

-SEEKING-
Jan 6th 2011, 03:56 AM
If not, then we know that lust could not mean the desire of having sex, as people say, because otherwise James 1:14-15 would not be true.

It's not lusting to desire to have your own wife.

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 03:58 AM
You are correct in saying that the words “masturbation” and “porn” are not included in Bible vernacular; however in modern English, these words both reek of sexual immorality, which we are commanded to flee from (1 Corinthians 6:18).
You are correct in saying that looking at a woman lustfully is adultery, but I do not think that lust enters into a marriage equation; love, desire, cherish...these are what is done between spouses. Husbands are commanded to love their wives just as Christ loved the Church (Ephesians 5:25) which involves a sacrificial non-selfish love, not lustful in any way. Lust is an emotion that longs to satisfy the cravings of the individual; “I want”, “I need”, “I covet”...this is lust. Never did Christ lust over the Church.
If you’re going to pull Leviticus into the mix, I’ll point out that this has to do with being ceremonially clean and not a condition of the heart.
The scripture you used from Acts relates to God commanding Peter to go to the home of a gentile, Cornelius, though at the time for a Jew to do such a thing was considered off-limits.
A man can certainly do things to make himself unclean. As Jesus said in Matthew 5:18-19
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
From your post it seems that you are advocating masturbation and lust to those who are being led by the Spirit to forsake such things (I hope that was not your intention).

I hope you didn't miss this one. I hope it will at least clear up what lust is.

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 04:04 AM
If not, then we know that lust could not mean the desire of having sex, as people say, because otherwise James 1:14-15 would not be true.

Dude, there is a difference between sinful lust of anything (another woman, a car, a house, etc.) and desire for your wife.

david
Jan 6th 2011, 06:00 AM
I hope you didn't miss this one. I hope it will at least clear up what lust is.

We have not established whether or not lust is wrong or not. No one has brought up scripture that says "lust is wrong."

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 11:55 AM
We have not established whether or not lust is wrong or not. No one has brought up scripture that says "lust is wrong."

Have you read anything that Brother Mark or baxpack7 had to say?

lust

–noun
1.
intense sexual desire or appetite.
2.
uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
3.
a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually fol. by for ): a lust for power.

david
Jan 6th 2011, 08:03 PM
Have you read anything that Brother Mark or baxpack7 had to say?

lust

–noun
1.
intense sexual desire or appetite.
2.
uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
3.
a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually fol. by for ): a lust for power.

Bring up any scripture that says "lust is wrong."

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 08:38 PM
Bring up any scripture that says "lust is wrong."

We already have multiple times. But here are some more again.


Matt 5:27-28

27 " You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
NASU

James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
NASU


James 4:1-3

4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.
NASU

2 Peter 1:4
4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
NASU

Note: corruption that is in the world by lust. That's pretty plain.

And an all encompassing verse.


1 John 2:16-17
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
NASU

And we haven't even looked into the verses that deal with sexual immorality as a form of lust exclusively and there are many, many of them.

david
Jan 6th 2011, 09:00 PM
We already have multiple times. But here are some more again.


Matt 5:27-28

27 " You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
NASU

James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
NASU


James 4:1-3

4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.
NASU

2 Peter 1:4
4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
NASU

Note: corruption that is in the world by lust. That's pretty plain.

And an all encompassing verse.


1 John 2:16-17
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
NASU

And we haven't even looked into the verses that deal with sexual immorality as a form of lust exclusively and there are many, many of them.

1. lusting after a woman is wrong
2. if lust is conceived, it gives birth to sin
3. murder might happen after lust
4. lust might bring corruption. It doesn't say lust will always bring corruption, it says lust might bring corruption.
5. lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes is not from the father

But it does not say that lust by itself is wrong. Any more verses?

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 09:04 PM
1. lusting after a woman is wrong

That's pretty much lust by itself right there. ;)


2. if lust is conceived, it gives birth to sin

Lust when it has conceived is sin. There is lust again, by itself.


5. lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes is not from the father

Lust of the flesh is again, by itself and of the world.

Lust of the eyes, by itself, and of the world.


But it does not say that lust by itself is wrong. Any more verses?

It says it repeatedly. Lust of the flesh is when the flesh is lusting (sexual immorality, gluttony, etc.). Lust of the eye is when the eye sees something it wants but shouldn't have (i.e. greed, materialism, etc.) Both of them are listed by themselves in this passage...


1 John 2:16-17
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
NASU

david
Jan 6th 2011, 09:11 PM
How do we know when lust has conceived or not? we dont know this only except when sin has been given birth, then we may know whether lust has been conceived.

There are
1. lust of the flesh
2. lust of the eyes
3. lusting after a woman

but we do not find "lust is wrong."

david
Jan 6th 2011, 09:31 PM
I have found the answer. Lust is the same thing as covet. See greek interlinear bible for Romans 7:7 and compare to 1 Thessalonians 4:5. Hence, you are right, lust is wrong, because god said we should not covet.

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 09:33 PM
I have found the answer. Lust is the same thing as covet. See greek interlinear bible for Romans 7:7 and compare to 1 Thessalonians 4:5. Hence, you are right, lust is wrong, because god said we should not covet.

Yes, to lust is to covet. I thought the verses in James made that clear. That's why I was confused about your responses. Lusting after sex is just a portion of all that lust entails.

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 09:37 PM
I have found the answer. Lust is the same thing as covet. See greek interlinear bible for Romans 7:7 and compare to 1 Thessalonians 4:5. Hence, you are right, lust is wrong, because god said we should not covet.

Dude, that was in my post in the first page...

david
Jan 6th 2011, 09:40 PM
Dude, that was in my post in the first page...

You did say, "Lust is an emotion that longs to satisfy the cravings of the individual; “I want”, “I need”, “I covet”...this is lust,"
but you did not use scriptural evidence.

You know what the problem is with the english language? It is confusing! Why not have one-to-one word to meaning mapping? instead of one-to-two? or four-to-one?!

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 09:44 PM
You know what the problem is with the english language? It is confusing! Why not have one-to-one word to meaning mapping? instead of one-to-two? or four-to-one?!

I completely agree with you brother. :)

Brother Mark
Jan 6th 2011, 09:48 PM
It's not just the English language. But God wrote the word in such a way that he too uses interchangeable words. It can be confusing. That is one reason we need Him and the Spirit to teach us. If we get locked in and say we see, we may miss what God is trying to teach us. All too often we get zeroed in on the trees thinking we know, and we miss the forest. Sometimes, taking a step back and seeing the big picture helps a lot.

david
Jan 6th 2011, 09:58 PM
I agree with you guys. But I say we should drop all words that are not found in the word (even the bible) in order to start learning the word. You agree with me that we do not need to learn words that are not found in the scriptures in order to learn what the word says, right?

About covet: so you cannot covet something if it is yours already, right?

AndrewBaptistFL
Jan 6th 2011, 10:01 PM
So you cannot covet something if it is yours already, right?

What would be the point? :) It already belongs to you!

david
Jan 6th 2011, 10:21 PM
LOL, i really hope there is no such thing as covetting yourself. Covetting your life, maybe?

Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it.
Luke 17:33 (ESV)

edit: actually, nevermind, we already lost our lives to jesus, which means we get to keep our lives.

NobleSavage
Jan 18th 2011, 04:37 AM
Love the conversation, everyone. I struggle with this everyday, especially with the access given to me by mobile devices. It's almost a daily habit, but I don't want to call it an addiction, even though I know it probably is. I would love advice from people who have been there, since we're on the topic. I don't want my lust ruining my relationship with God or anyone else, but I think the problem is I enjoy it too much, and hate myself for it.

What do I do?

fees
Jan 18th 2011, 07:53 AM
(Rom 7:7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

(Rom 13:9) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(1Co 12:31) But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

(1Co 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

(Mat 5:28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

(Rom 1:27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

(Rom 7:7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

(1Co 10:6) Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

(Gal 5:16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

(1Th 4:5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

(Jas 1:14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

(Jas 1:15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

(Jas 4:2) Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

(2Pe 1:4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

(2Pe 2:10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

(1Jn 2:16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

(1Jn 2:17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.



Correct me if I am wrong...... To lust means to desire what is wrong(unlawful). To covet means to desire something good or bad.
We are told to covet spiritual gifts and not to covet what is wrong.
So I have to go and look what the bible says I should not Lust or Covet and what I can covet/desire?
Many people say you shall not covet but they never instruct other people what should be coveted and what not.
Like sexual immorality. Does this not mean what is sexually wrong. People say things are sexually immoral but they can give no scriptural basis why they say it is sexually immoral.
We must go and look to see what the bible classifies under what is sex. imm. and not place unnecessary yokes on peoples shoulders.
We must then admit certain areas are grey areas where each person has to decide before the Lord in prayer what is wrong/right?
Some wont admit there is no clear biblical proof for some issues and they tell you the Spirit told them the way it must be handled.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

DDGresham1
Mar 17th 2011, 06:05 AM
Love the conversation, everyone. I struggle with this everyday, especially with the access given to me by mobile devices. It's almost a daily habit, but I don't want to call it an addiction, even though I know it probably is. I would love advice from people who have been there, since we're on the topic. I don't want my lust ruining my relationship with God or anyone else, but I think the problem is I enjoy it too much, and hate myself for it.

What do I do?


Daily? Yes, you have a problem. Not knocking you. Just being honest. We all have sin, but daily indicates a serious problem with the spirit and yes, I have been there. I would refer to the word for thoughts on this.

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. John 8:34

When we are slaves to sin, where is our focus? Have we turned it away from God?

Also, when we look at these women, where is the love?

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second resembles it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself. Mt 22:37-39

When we lust, love isn't involved. Love with my wife is not lust and yes, there is a difference. If you think back you will find that many of the lustful ideas about women were put into your mind when you were a young man or perhaps a boy. These are ideas that the world has about the way we view women, not the way God wants us to view them. If you have a wife, she is sufficient. Put all other lust out of your mind. Trust me brother, it is poison and will lead you down the road to death. It will kill your spirit.

Colossians 3:1-3,5: "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Mortify (restrain) your members which are upon the earth: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry."
Lust distracts us from God and makes us slaves to sin. The Bible says to FLEE from lust and women who are not Godly. It says it will lead us to death...a spiritual death.

svfox
Aug 26th 2011, 03:02 AM
Lust is an addiction.
They have noted the chemicals in the brain that move you toward lustful thoughts.

Your only hope is to keep your eyes on Christ and as the months go by slowly you will find it easier and easier to avoid porn.
The process unfortunately will take a long time. use any material trick you can, cold showers, play a game, take a walk. If there is a female that you trust and understands your problem you will get incredible advice from her. She will help you respect women and not see them as just for sexual pleasure.

TruthFaith
Aug 29th 2011, 07:53 PM
break the cycle. get some outdoor activity going.

drn123
Aug 31st 2011, 03:05 AM
Jesus is definately Lord and also Savior. When Jesus died on the cross FOR us he bought us all "lock, stock,and barrel." That word FOR not only means In our stead, but also FOR the posession of us all.

drn123
Aug 31st 2011, 03:15 AM
Masturbation is not sin. I don't remember what book it was in, but it does say that it is better to release ones self than to let it back up. Even doctors will tell you that it is bad for your prostate gland not to have some release.

svfox
Aug 31st 2011, 03:47 PM
It is the thoughts in the mind that is the sin. Like thinking about adultery you have already commited the sin.
In this case the mind is lusting after something, like a woman you are not married to. A sin.
That is where the battle is being lost. Satan is such a great temptor. At least we know God will deal with him at the end.

Gentile
Oct 17th 2011, 01:42 AM
Masturbation and Porn are not mentioned in the bible. I personally don't think masturbation is a sin as well. I know for a fact that bible does not touch upon masturbation. God created us, there are reasons for masturbation.

Slug1
Oct 17th 2011, 02:21 AM
Masturbation and Porn are not mentioned in the bible. I personally don't think masturbation is a sin as well. I know for a fact that bible does not touch upon masturbation. God created us, there are reasons for masturbation.God covers this sin with the term, Sexual Immorality. Conviction by the Holy Spirit is what points out sin. Some listen to the conviction and some don't and justify the sin instead.

baxpack7
Oct 19th 2011, 07:51 PM
Masturbation and Porn are not mentioned in the bible. I personally don't think masturbation is a sin as well. I know for a fact that bible does not touch upon masturbation. God created us, there are reasons for masturbation.

Porn, in its present and former state, is considered "sexual immorality" and is therefore mentioned as sin in the bible. While I personally think that masturbation is in that same genre, there is no specific mention of it in the bible. However, that being said, that would make it a grey area, and if that's so,and since we don't truly know the mind of God, then you should err on the side of caution and refrain from it.

John 8:32
Nov 3rd 2011, 02:25 PM
I think that what draws humans to porn/lust is a weakness in mind and spirit. Weakness of mind due to the fact that you can't be satisfied with normal activities and feel a selfish need to self-satisfy. Also having too much free time on your hands(no pun intended). Weakness of the spirit due to your unwillingness to let God fill that God-shaped hole that we all have. Fill your life w/activity and the lust will go awat. Especially things involving the church.

God bless!!

One thing that needs added to this comment is...

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

He is not fair, he is not compassionate and he will use every dirty trick to try to destroy us and lust is just one of many.

david
Jul 18th 2013, 05:39 PM
After a while of pondering it over, I have changed my mind. I now believe masturbation is wrong. The reason is that it causes "defilement of flesh and spirit (2 Corinthians 7:1)." Note that the mind is part of the flesh. When one masturbates, the lustful images in his/her mind are sharpened more and more until his mind is utterly filled with lustful images, defiling it. The defilement is clear when one tries to quit thinking those lustful images but cannot. (Compare this to proper sex in marriage--I would not know because I'm not married, but I would bet that this does not happen in marriage). The second reason that masturbation is wrong is that to do it is a contradiction of nature, and a contradiction of nature is sinful according to Romans 1:26. I take nature to mean the original intended behavior of creation designed by God. Anything going beyond God's intention of creation is evil, as we see with homosexual acts. Having sex with self, ie. masturbation, is contrary to nature because sex is designed to be within marriage alone. Nature will tell one that masturbation is contrary to nature by the way guilt feelings consistently come in every time he masturbates, as opposed to having sex with his/her marriage partner which does not cause guilt feelings. It's also unnatural to have unstoppable lustful images created in mind from masturbating. Another reason it's wrong is that it is something that stumbles, that is, it causes one to sin (Mark 5:30), because it leads him/her to deeper and deeper sinful activity. It leads him/her to want more and more stimulating lustful things, leading him/her down the path of destruction, as in Matthew 7:13.

Dimaline
Jul 27th 2013, 11:50 PM
Lust is definetly my worst sin. Being a 31 year old Male that has health issues and am still somewhat relying upon my parents for care it makes it very had to have a relationship with a woman. I try to pitty myself but it's hard for me to think of anyone who would want to get involved with a person like me. So unfortunately I'm drawn to Porn. I'm ashamed to say that but I feel the first step to recoverying is admitting you have a problem. It's something I want to get past for me and for my relationship with others. I'm trying to do everything I can to be able to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven but just knowing that I am human and now matter what I do at some point I will mess up, even if it's not becasue of Lust. I want to do all that I can to defeat this problem of Lust but it seems like in today's society Temptation of Lust is everywhere and it's almost unescapeable. If anyone has tips or can help I am definetly willing to listen and would appreciate the help.

ChangedByHim
Jul 28th 2013, 04:04 AM
Porneia is in the NT 25 times, including the below:

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications [porneia], thefts, false witness, blasphemies. (Matthew 15:19 NKJV)

ChangedByHim
Jul 28th 2013, 04:09 AM
Lust is definetly my worst sin. Being a 31 year old Male that has health issues and am still somewhat relying upon my parents for care it makes it very had to have a relationship with a woman. I try to pitty myself but it's hard for me to think of anyone who would want to get involved with a person like me. So unfortunately I'm drawn to Porn. I'm ashamed to say that but I feel the first step to recoverying is admitting you have a problem. It's something I want to get past for me and for my relationship with others. I'm trying to do everything I can to be able to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven but just knowing that I am human and now matter what I do at some point I will mess up, even if it's not becasue of Lust. I want to do all that I can to defeat this problem of Lust but it seems like in today's society Temptation of Lust is everywhere and it's almost unescapeable. If anyone has tips or can help I am definetly willing to listen and would appreciate the help.
You need to set up some real life accountability bro. Have someone who is mature in The Lord check on you and ask you straightforward questions. Also, either get off the Internet altogether or put filters on your PC to block the porn. Ask God for deliverance. Porn will destroy your walk with God. I will be praying for you.

Dimaline
Jul 28th 2013, 05:11 PM
You need to set up some real life accountability bro. Have someone who is mature in The Lord check on you and ask you straightforward questions. Also, either get off the Internet altogether or put filters on your PC to block the porn. Ask God for deliverance. Porn will destroy your walk with God. I will be praying for you.

You are exactly right I need to as you said set up some form of accountability. The problem is that I don't have anyone in my life that is very religious or spritual except for on here. In fact I think I'm probably one of if not the only one who cares about this type of thing. Everyone else I know justifies the action of watching Porn. I agree if a person can't stop watching it then they should get off the internet, however there are so many videos and even Movies that have some type of Sexual Immorality that it seems like it's almost impossible to escape from. I have asked God for Strenght and Guidance and even Deliverance in this area and I do beleive he is helping me. It will be a long and trying road but I know with his help I can break this bad habit. Thank you for the prayer I will be needing it.

ChangedByHim
Jul 29th 2013, 03:07 AM
You are exactly right I need to as you said set up some form of accountability. The problem is that I don't have anyone in my life that is very religious or spritual except for on here. In fact I think I'm probably one of if not the only one who cares about this type of thing. Everyone else I know justifies the action of watching Porn. I agree if a person can't stop watching it then they should get off the internet, however there are so many videos and even Movies that have some type of Sexual Immorality that it seems like it's almost impossible to escape from. I have asked God for Strenght and Guidance and even Deliverance in this area and I do beleive he is helping me. It will be a long and trying road but I know with his help I can break this bad habit. Thank you for the prayer I will be needing it.
I know that you have some health problems, but is it possible to get to a church? Build Christian relationships. And you can stay free from porn porn on the internet. By the grace of God, I do.

mailmandan
Jul 29th 2013, 12:25 PM
This is Your Brain on Porn – Video Interview of the Author of Wired for Intimacy (http://www.covenanteyes.com/2010/06/24/this-is-your-brain-on-porn-video-interview-of-the-author-of-wired-for-intimacy/)
Posted on June 24, 2010 by Luke Gilkerson

How does porn impact the brain? Dr. William Struthers, Associate Professor of Psychology at Wheaton College, talks about this in his book, Wired For Intimacy: How Pornography Hijacks the Male Brain.

In the following video he dives into this topic in great detail, explaining why pornography is addictive from a neuroscientific perspective. (Please note: this video deals with mature subject matter. Viewer discretion is advised.)

Interesting Video Interview! A poll conducted by "the world's most visited Christian website" indicates a surprising number of Christians are addicted to pornography.

The poll results indicate that 50% of all Christian men and 20% of all Christian women are addicted to pornography.

The group defines "addicted" as applied to pornography as use on an ongoing basis.

"We are seeing an escalation to the problem in both men and women who regularly attend church," said Bill Cooper, President of ChristiaNet.com.

"No one is immunized against the vice-grip clutches of sexual addictive behaviors," reads a release issued by the site. "The people who struggle with the repeated pursuit of sexual gratification include church members, deacons, staff, and yes, even clergy."

How many Christians (especially) men can honestly say, "whenever I am tempted to lust, I NEVER give in." I have 100% conquered that sin. No problem?

If David, who was “a man after God’s own heart,” and many other strong men and women of faith yielded to sexual temptation, it could happen to any of us. Pornography may be the new addiction of this new century. Researchers are finding that when people indulge in porn, they release powerful chemicals in their brain and body. Mark Kastleman, author of The Drug of the New Millennium, said, "There are a growing number of therapists and psychologists who are saying that this is as addictive as cocaine," or alcohol, or even heroin. He explained that, when people view porn, "It causes the brain to release what we call endogenous drugs or endogenous chemicals. 'Endogenous' meaning 'produced from within.' So where cocaine or alcohol seek to mimic the brain's natural chemicals, pornography releases the real deal. And so we have things like adrenaline, epinephrine, ACTH."

Due to our fallen nature, we will have to deal with the temptation to lust until we die. The temptation to lust will come in many forms including ungodly sexual appetites; and there are lusts, such as the lust of power, fame or position. We must rely on the power of the Holy Spirit inside us to overcome lust every day. No matter the form of lust we face, we can be assured that we have a High Priest and Advocate with the Father who "understands every weakness of ours" and "was tempted in every way that we are. But He did not sin" (Hebrews 4:15; 1 John 2:1).

Dimaline
Jul 29th 2013, 08:32 PM
I know that you have some health problems, but is it possible to get to a church? Build Christian relationships. And you can stay free from porn porn on the internet. By the grace of God, I do.


It's not my health problems keeping my from church it's my job that has me working just about every Sunday. If I knew for sure that one of my area Chruches was open at all hours I would definetly consider going. Perhaps one day during my free time I will check one out. Also personally for me it's not even Porn that is so much the problem is Sexual Reference and that can be found everywhere even off the internet.

imreedemed
Jul 29th 2013, 09:40 PM
After a while of pondering it over, I have changed my mind. I now believe masturbation is wrong. The reason is that it causes "defilement of flesh and spirit (2 Corinthians 7:1)." Note that the mind is part of the flesh. When one masturbates, the lustful images in his/her mind are sharpened more and more until his mind is utterly filled with lustful images, defiling it. The defilement is clear when one tries to quit thinking those lustful images but cannot. (Compare this to proper sex in marriage--I would not know because I'm not married, but I would bet that this does not happen in marriage). The second reason that masturbation is wrong is that to do it is a contradiction of nature, and a contradiction of nature is sinful according to Romans 1:26. I take nature to mean the original intended behavior of creation designed by God. Anything going beyond God's intention of creation is evil, as we see with homosexual acts. Having sex with self, ie. masturbation, is contrary to nature because sex is designed to be within marriage alone. Nature will tell one that masturbation is contrary to nature by the way guilt feelings consistently come in every time he masturbates, as opposed to having sex with his/her marriage partner which does not cause guilt feelings. It's also unnatural to have unstoppable lustful images created in mind from masturbating. Another reason it's wrong is that it is something that stumbles, that is, it causes one to sin (Mark 5:30), because it leads him/her to deeper and deeper sinful activity. It leads him/her to want more and more stimulating lustful things, leading him/her down the path of destruction, as in Matthew 7:13.

This is a good report. Praise the Lord :-)

Dimaline
Aug 2nd 2013, 10:51 PM
This is a good report. Praise the Lord :-)


I agree it's very good report. My question is how does a person in my situation with health problems and very little chance of every finding a Marriage Parterner STOP the Lustful images in my mind?

sanitizerperson
Oct 21st 2013, 09:05 PM
love and fellowship with fellow brothers and sisters in Christ with the same problem is one of the best ways to break through i think. Especially with something kind of embarrassing like this. Let us bear each others burdens and seek to be cleansed every day in the name of the Lord! Peace be on you all in the holy name of Jesus Christ.