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Diggindeeper
Jan 20th 2011, 05:27 PM
I learned about this through the American Family Association. Who in the world would want this to happen?

The Washington Times is warning that the White House cybersecurity adviser and Commerce Secretary Gary Locke are drawing up "ObamaNet," President Obama's mandate for what amounts to a national ID card for the Internet.
President Obama wants to establish passwords for every citizen to centralize your personal information. Instead of logging onto Facebook or one's bank using separate passwords established with each individual company or web site, you will be required to use the government-issued password.
According to the Washington Times, here are the problems with "ObamaNet":

* The government will be able to track every web site you visit and every keystroke you send on your home computer.
* The government will be able to track every purchase you make and every deposit and withdrawal, and gain access to your electronic health care records.
* The government will be able to track every blog comment you make, along with every Facebook and Twitter post.
* The government will be able to create lists of your friends and acquaintances and lists of all your political affiliations, political donations, club memberships, hobbies and interests.
* It's impossible for the government to make this system 100% secure (remember Wikileaks?), meaning criminals would need to steal only one key to unlock a vast amount of your personal and financial information.

Although the White House will tell you it is a voluntary program, the government "voluntary" programs too often end up becoming mandatory. See Web I.D. = more gov't control.

The AFA urges people here in the states to do this:
TAKE ACTION
Your elected officials can stop President Obama and the Federal government from prying into the personal lives of American citizens.
Email your members of Congress today, asking them to issue a public statement in opposition to President Obama's plan to issue government-based Internet ID cards.

RabbiKnife
Jan 20th 2011, 05:36 PM
I think this is just more fear-mongering to detract most voters from the real issues.

Neither Congress nor any agency nor the administration has any power to regulate the internet, since the internet does not belong to the USA, nor can it be found in the USA. The issue arose because of some people's desires to have one "super duper online password" to use for everything so that they don't have to remember all of their passwords to everything.

This is not a government takeover of anything.

The NSA can already read every single keystroke if it wanted to.

notuptome
Jan 20th 2011, 05:43 PM
I thought Algore invented the internet. Everything requires his approval.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

moonglow
Jan 20th 2011, 05:49 PM
I think this would be impossible to do...but image how many child porn people it would catch? Not too mention other illegal activity that goes on the net all the time..:cool:

God bless

RabbiKnife
Jan 20th 2011, 05:49 PM
I thought Algore invented the internet. Everything requires his approval.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Of that of his masseuse.

BrianW
Jan 20th 2011, 06:11 PM
Al's too busy hunting down ManBearPig these days to worry about teh interwebs.

Dani H
Jan 20th 2011, 11:17 PM
They're already able to do all those things today ... privacy in the age of the Internet and electronic everything, doesn't exist. We leave all kinds of trails everywhere.

bdh
Jan 21st 2011, 05:48 AM
I think this is just more fear-mongering to detract most voters from the real issues.I do "internet" for a living and assure you, this is not smoke and mirrors. There are huge changes coming to the internet - most of them government friendly and very user hostile. All designed to allow governments to track, tag and bag offenders. In theory, all of these things are wonderful of course, but in the hands of corrupt men we know that is not true.

Warrior4God
Jan 21st 2011, 07:24 AM
My thought is that as an individual I will always resist, using legal means, government intrusion and control over my life. I will never just give over control if I can help it. However, with that said, I as a believer also realize that government will get more and more control over my life, despite my efforts. I believe that there is a New World Order of world government being set up in various ways day after day. I don't have to go along with it willingly but I do realize that it's coming anyway. :2cents:

RabbiKnife
Jan 21st 2011, 02:10 PM
I do "internet" for a living and assure you, this is not smoke and mirrors. There are huge changes coming to the internet - most of them government friendly and very user hostile. All designed to allow governments to track, tag and bag offenders. In theory, all of these things are wonderful of course, but in the hands of corrupt men we know that is not true.

And I do law for a living and I can assure you that (1) the NSA can already read every keystroke on every computer in the USA and (2) can listen to every cell phone call if it wishes to and (3) any use of the information gleaned from the Cray Computers in the Big Black Box still have to go through judicial review before they can be used.

moonglow
Jan 21st 2011, 03:12 PM
And I do law for a living and I can assure you that (1) the NSA can already read every keystroke on every computer in the USA and (2) can listen to every cell phone call if it wishes to and (3) any use of the information gleaned from the Cray Computers in the Big Black Box still have to go through judicial review before they can be used.

What is NSA? And if this is true, why aren't they arresting the huge number of pedophiles that do child porn all the time?

God bless

Fenris
Jan 21st 2011, 03:18 PM
I think this would be impossible to do...but image how many child porn people it would catch? Not too mention other illegal activity that goes on the net all the time..:cool:

Yeah it would totally be worth it to give up our freedom just to catch people swapping porn.

moonglow
Jan 21st 2011, 03:27 PM
Yeah it would totally be worth it to give up our freedom just to catch people swapping porn.

That isn't what I am saying...its just people freak out over this kind of stuff thinking there will have no privacy at all...which has been pointed out we have little, if any, already on the net...but my point is IF this is true...why aren't child molesters being caught and stopped? This isn't about just swapping porn..I was talking about CHILD porn...which I would think you would agree isn't a small matter at all. These men sexually abuse little children..video tape it and then swap it..its just sickening. I just have a hard time believing everything we do is recorded or watched or whatever...because if that were true, huge amounts of people would be arrested all the time for illegal activities on the net ..missing and abused children would be found and saved and that just isn't happening.

God bless

Firefighter
Jan 21st 2011, 03:27 PM
What is NSA?

National Security Agency. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency) If we tell you more than that we would have to kill ya. :lol:

moonglow
Jan 21st 2011, 03:34 PM
National Security Agency. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency) If we tell you more than that we would have to kill ya. :lol:

Ok thanks...but please don't kill me! :lol::rolleyes:

bdh
Jan 21st 2011, 04:39 PM
And I do law for a living and I can assure you that (1) the NSA can already read every keystroke on every computer in the USA and (2) can listen to every cell phone call if it wishes to and (3) any use of the information gleaned from the Cray Computers in the Big Black Box still have to go through judicial review before they can be used.Not so sure about every keystroke but it's not far from that. AFAIK, it's mostly done through Eschelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%28signals_intelligence%29).

hopefulagain
Jan 24th 2011, 01:48 PM
To all on this thread;

Most of you sound like what was written by Jeremiah. Jer 6:14,"They act as if my people's wounds were only scratches. 'All is well,' they say, when all is not well."

Some of you remind me of those who sat behind home plate without a backstop. Bam! As the foul tip smashes into your face. When you come to, all you say is I shoud-da done this or I shoud-da done that.

Jer 6:6,"The Lord Almighty has ordered these kings to cut down trees and biuld mounds in order to besiege Jerusalem. He has said, "I will punish this city because it is full of oppression."" Only a small group headed the warning. The ones who weren't killed but taken captive, kept saying I should-da listened.

But that is like nothing compared to the big warning. Re 16:15,16,"Listen! I am coming like a thief! Happy is he who stays awake and guards his clothes, so that he will not walk around naked and be ashamed in public! Then the spirits brought the kings together in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon."

Col 3:12,"So then, you must clothe yourselves with compassion, kindnessm humility, gentleness, and patience." Do you believe the end is right before us? Do you have the faith?

Mat 6:30,"It is God who clothes the wild grass--grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, burned up in the oven. Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you? What little faith you have!

Hopefulagain

Firefighter
Jan 24th 2011, 02:04 PM
By all means, show me scripture that suggests a National ID card has anything to do with the End Times. Just One.

I don't know how old you are, but this, like sooooo many things before it, have been falsely attributed to the antichrist/mark of the beast and the list gets bigger every day. I am sure the members here could compile a list of all the things that were the "mark of the beast" before this one was. What ends up happening is we cry wolf so many times that when a wolf DOES appear, nobody is going to be willing to listen.

Do you use an ATM/debit card?

moonglow
Jan 24th 2011, 03:45 PM
To all on this thread;

Most of you sound like what was written by Jeremiah. Jer 6:14,"They act as if my people's wounds were only scratches. 'All is well,' they say, when all is not well."

Some of you remind me of those who sat behind home plate without a backstop. Bam! As the foul tip smashes into your face. When you come to, all you say is I shoud-da done this or I shoud-da done that.

Jer 6:6,"The Lord Almighty has ordered these kings to cut down trees and biuld mounds in order to besiege Jerusalem. He has said, "I will punish this city because it is full of oppression."" Only a small group headed the warning. The ones who weren't killed but taken captive, kept saying I should-da listened.

But that is like nothing compared to the big warning. Re 16:15,16,"Listen! I am coming like a thief! Happy is he who stays awake and guards his clothes, so that he will not walk around naked and be ashamed in public! Then the spirits brought the kings together in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon."

Col 3:12,"So then, you must clothe yourselves with compassion, kindnessm humility, gentleness, and patience." Do you believe the end is right before us? Do you have the faith?

Mat 6:30,"It is God who clothes the wild grass--grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, burned up in the oven. Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you? What little faith you have!

Hopefulagain

Taking verses out of context doesn't make for a good argument actually. The Jeremiah verses were for the Jews thousands of years ago and judgment already came on them...in other words, this is past history you are trying to use for today. It doesn't work. That is like me warning people about civil war coming over the slavery issues using a history book...doesn't work.

And the Matthew one is about not worrying about God taking care of our daily needs. It has nothing at all to do with the end times. The Col 3:12 is how we should act as Christians everyday. The Re 16:15,16..I think we would notice if the nations were gathering for war. Not sure how any of this has a thing to do with an internet ID though...that just isn't in scripture...

God bless

hopefulagain
Jan 24th 2011, 04:14 PM
To Moonglo;

1 John 5:19,"We know that we belong to God even though the whole world is under the rule of the Evil One." This is history also. So according to your thinking, what happened to the Jews means nothing, it was history to the Christians and it is history to us.

But it is to bad you were not a Christian living with Paul so you could have put him on the right path of thinking. Romans 15:4,"Everything written in the Scriptures was written to teach us, in order that we might have hope through the patience and encouagement which the Scriptures give us." And he showed the importance at 2 Tim 3:16,17.

When John was given the Revelation the sixth world power was in existence and the seventh was future. This has been around for some time and if you don;t care what they do with you, thats fine with me. Because God lets people willfully chose ignorance. 2 Pe 3:5,"They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a command."

"For this they willfully ignore." BLE Your choice--ignore history.

RabbiKnife
Jan 24th 2011, 04:17 PM
Still waiting on the National Internet ID Card(TM) scripture....

Samuel Owen
Jan 24th 2011, 04:32 PM
Its certinaly a fact, that everything and everyone from the Colgate logo, to eXXon, and Ronald Reagan has been assoiated with the mark of the beast. And those who get so parinoid, seem not to realize! God has everything under controll.

But I for one do not like to be survaled, anymore than I already am. There is really no need to give your neck to the axman, he will get it soon enough. When and if they call for an internet ID, I for one will shut down and consign my evil box/pc to the dumpster; DONE. :)

Firefighter
Jan 24th 2011, 04:37 PM
I have never heard the colgate one... :lol:

RabbiKnife
Jan 24th 2011, 04:46 PM
I have never heard the colgate one... :lol:

Probably referring to Proctor and Gamble, a perenial favorite...

Samuel Owen
Jan 24th 2011, 04:47 PM
That is their logo, which has a cresent moon and 13 stars around it. Yep real popualr beast mark, a few decades ago. :lol:

moonglow
Jan 24th 2011, 05:02 PM
[QUOTE=hopefulagain;2605819]To Moonglo;

1 John 5:19,"We know that we belong to God even though the whole world is under the rule of the Evil One." This is history also. So according to your thinking, what happened to the Jews means nothing, it was history to the Christians and it is history to us.

I think you are misunderstanding me...the OT is important of course...as it all of God's word. But to try to apply something that already happen to future events isn't rightly dividing the word correctly at all.


But it is to bad you were not a Christian living with Paul so you could have put him on the right path of thinking. Romans 15:4,"Everything written in the Scriptures was written to teach us, in order that we might have hope through the patience and encouagement which the Scriptures give us." And he showed the importance at 2 Tim 3:16,17.

I have no problems with what Paul has written ...he wrote everything in context so it makes sense. To use those two scriptures Romans 15:4 and 2 Tim 3:16,17 on me but not use them yourself though ...well...


When John was given the Revelation the sixth world power was in existence and the seventh was future. This has been around for some time and if you don;t care what they do with you, thats fine with me. Because God lets people willfully chose ignorance. 2 Pe 3:5,"They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a command."

"For this they willfully ignore." BLE Your choice--ignore history.

Now this is sad...using half a verse to try to condemn me? What command am I ignoring?

The full verse of 2 Pe 3:5 says this: 5 They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a command, and the heavens and earth were created. The earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old world was destroyed. (from the Good news Translation that you are using)

I don't ignore the fact God gave a command and created the Heavens and the earth at all...but what has this to do with the end times?

moonglow
Jan 24th 2011, 05:04 PM
Its certinaly a fact, that everything and everyone from the Colgate logo, to eXXon, and Ronald Reagan has been assoiated with the mark of the beast. And those who get so parinoid, seem not to realize! God has everything under controll.

But I for one do not like to be survaled, anymore than I already am. There is really no need to give your neck to the axman, he will get it soon enough. When and if they call for an internet ID, I for one will shut down and consign my evil box/pc to the dumpster; DONE. :)

I don't understand your post..first you seem to say that yes..everything has been attached to the mark of the beast ...but then say if a internet ID is called for you will shut down your computer like you are now saying you are afraid this is the mark or something? :hmm::confused

Scruffy Kid
Jan 24th 2011, 05:10 PM
By all means, show me scripture that suggests a National ID card has anything to do with the End Times. Just One.

Still waiting on the National Internet ID Card(TM) scripture....
O ye of little faith!

This is hidden from the logical and cautious, but when I get a strange idea I know it must be revealed by God, because he promises that he will personally reveal to each christian the truth. (The apparent differences of view between Christians are just an illusion, perpetrated by Obama, and other liberals and Catholics generally.)

First we need to start with the book of Revelation. The important fact there is that every time you use the internet you are clicking on various icons. But the word "icon" comes from the Greek εἰκών (eikōn, Strong's G1504). This word occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the NT, but particularly in Revelations where it is translated "the image" of the beast (Rev. 13:14-15, 14:9, 14:11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4). This is also alluded to when Jesus is asked about tribute, asks for a coin, and points out that it is Ceasar's image which appears on it, prophetically signifying electronic money.

There are also references to the way the web will be used to imprison us in the OT. Samson (Judges 16:3) speaks to Delilah, who has robbed him of his strength, saying, prophetically, "you weave the seven locks of my head with the web." Samson, of course, does not realize that he is speaking prophetically of the World-wide web, for as Peter says "the prophets enquired and searched diligently" but "to them it was revealed that not to themselves but to us did they minister things that are now reported unto you" (I Peter 1:10,12). Job, likewise, says of "the paths of those that forget God" that their hope shall be cut off" and that their "trust shall be as a spider's web."

The main OT prophecies, however, which are also picked up in the NT have to do with the net, which is mentioned 39 times in 37 verses in the Bible (KJV), 8 of them in the NT. It is the OT references that are decisive, however. Significantly, the last mention of the "net" in the OT is in Habakkuk, who says, of conquerors who come to destroy God's people

they catch them in their net, ... therefore they rejoice and are glad. Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion [is] fat, and their meat plenteous. Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations? There are also three references to networks, and Isaiah 19:9 explicitly says that "they who weave networks shall be confounded."

So if you want to make God out to be a liar, you can deny the Bible's strong teaching on the WWW and internet; but Rev 22:19 warns us against taking away from the words of this book (the BIBLE).

Let the reader understand.

RabbiKnife
Jan 24th 2011, 05:14 PM
O ye of little faith!

This is hidden from the logical and cautious, but when I get a strange idea I know it must be revealed by God, because he promises that he will personally reveal to each christian the truth. (The apparent differences of view between Christians are just an illusion, perpetrated by Obama, and other liberals and Catholics generally.)

First we need to start with the book of Revelation. The important fact there is that every time you use the internet you are clicking on various icons. But the word "icon" comes from the Greek εἰκών (eikōn, Strong's G1504). This word occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the NT, but particularly in Revelations where it is translated "the image" of the beast (Rev. 13:14-15, 14:9, 14:11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4). This is also alluded to when Jesus is asked about tribute, asks for a coin, and points out that it is Ceasar's image which appears on it, prophetically signifying electronic money.

There are also references to the way the web will be used to imprison us in the OT. Samson (Judges 16:3) speaks to Delilah, who has robbed him of his strength, saying, prophetically, "you weave the seven locks of my head with the web." Samson, of course, does not realize that he is speaking prophetically of the World-wide web, for as Peter says "the prophets enquired and searched diligently" but "to them it was revealed that not to themselves but to us did they minister things that are now reported unto you" (I Peter 1:10,12). Job, likewise, says of "the paths of those that forget God" that their hope shall be cut off" and that their "trust shall be as a spider's web."

The main OT prophecies, however, which are also picked up in the NT have to do with the net, which is mentioned 39 times in 37 verses in the Bible (KJV), 8 of them in the NT. It is the OT references that are decisive, however. Significantly, the last mention of the "net" in the OT is in Habakkuk, who says, of conquerors who come to destroy God's people

they catch them in their net, ... therefore they rejoice and are glad. Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion [is] fat, and their meat plenteous. Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations? There are also three references to networks, and Isaiah 19:9 explicitly says that "they who weave networks shall be confounded."

So if you want to make God out to be a liar, you can deny the Bible's strong teaching on the WWW and internet; but Rev 22:19 warns us against taking away from the words of this book (the BIBLE).

Let the reader understand.

Be right back. Gotta go change my UnderRoos....

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Samuel Owen
Jan 24th 2011, 05:21 PM
I don't understand your post..first you seem to say that yes..everything has been attached to the mark of the beast ...but then say if a internet ID is called for you will shut down your computer like you are now saying you are afraid this is the mark or something?

Not at all, but I'm a person that believes we need a little personal privacy. You have very little here or anywhere else allready, and enough is enough allready. I don't need! anymore of this governments baggage.

Firefighter
Jan 24th 2011, 05:21 PM
O ye of little faith!

This is hidden from the logical and cautious, but when I get a strange idea I know it must be revealed by God, because he promises that he will personally reveal to each christian the truth. (The apparent differences of view between Christians are just an illusion, perpetrated by Obama, and other liberals and Catholics generally.)

First we need to start with the book of Revelation. The important fact there is that every time you use the internet you are clicking on various icons. But the word "icon" comes from the Greek εἰκών (eikōn, Strong's G1504). This word occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the NT, but particularly in Revelations where it is translated "the image" of the beast (Rev. 13:14-15, 14:9, 14:11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4). This is also alluded to when Jesus is asked about tribute, asks for a coin, and points out that it is Ceasar's image which appears on it, prophetically signifying electronic money.

There are also references to the way the web will be used to imprison us in the OT. Samson (Judges 16:3) speaks to Delilah, who has robbed him of his strength, saying, prophetically, "you weave the seven locks of my head with the web." Samson, of course, does not realize that he is speaking prophetically of the World-wide web, for as Peter says "the prophets enquired and searched diligently" but "to them it was revealed that not to themselves but to us did they minister things that are now reported unto you" (I Peter 1:10,12). Job, likewise, says of "the paths of those that forget God" that their hope shall be cut off" and that their "trust shall be as a spider's web."

The main OT prophecies, however, which are also picked up in the NT have to do with the net, which is mentioned 39 times in 37 verses in the Bible (KJV), 8 of them in the NT. It is the OT references that are decisive, however. Significantly, the last mention of the "net" in the OT is in Habakkuk, who says, of conquerors who come to destroy God's people

they catch them in their net, ... therefore they rejoice and are glad. Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion [is] fat, and their meat plenteous. Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations? There are also three references to networks, and Isaiah 19:9 explicitly says that "they who weave networks shall be confounded."

So if you want to make God out to be a liar, you can deny the Bible's strong teaching on the WWW and internet; but Rev 22:19 warns us against taking away from the words of this book (the BIBLE).

Let the reader understand.

I am now a believer. Thanks Brother! :D

moonglow
Jan 24th 2011, 05:31 PM
O ye of little faith!

This is hidden from the logical and cautious, but when I get a strange idea I know it must be revealed by God, because he promises that he will personally reveal to each christian the truth. (The apparent differences of view between Christians are just an illusion, perpetrated by Obama, and other liberals and Catholics generally.)

First we need to start with the book of Revelation. The important fact there is that every time you use the internet you are clicking on various icons. But the word "icon" comes from the Greek εἰκών (eikōn, Strong's G1504). This word occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the NT, but particularly in Revelations where it is translated "the image" of the beast (Rev. 13:14-15, 14:9, 14:11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4). This is also alluded to when Jesus is asked about tribute, asks for a coin, and points out that it is Ceasar's image which appears on it, prophetically signifying electronic money.

There are also references to the way the web will be used to imprison us in the OT. Samson (Judges 16:3) speaks to Delilah, who has robbed him of his strength, saying, prophetically, "you weave the seven locks of my head with the web." Samson, of course, does not realize that he is speaking prophetically of the World-wide web, for as Peter says "the prophets enquired and searched diligently" but "to them it was revealed that not to themselves but to us did they minister things that are now reported unto you" (I Peter 1:10,12). Job, likewise, says of "the paths of those that forget God" that their hope shall be cut off" and that their "trust shall be as a spider's web."

The main OT prophecies, however, which are also picked up in the NT have to do with the net, which is mentioned 39 times in 37 verses in the Bible (KJV), 8 of them in the NT. It is the OT references that are decisive, however. Significantly, the last mention of the "net" in the OT is in Habakkuk, who says, of conquerors who come to destroy God's people

they catch them in their net, ... therefore they rejoice and are glad. Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion [is] fat, and their meat plenteous. Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations? There are also three references to networks, and Isaiah 19:9 explicitly says that "they who weave networks shall be confounded."

So if you want to make God out to be a liar, you can deny the Bible's strong teaching on the WWW and internet; but Rev 22:19 warns us against taking away from the words of this book (the BIBLE).

Let the reader understand.

:lol::lol::lol: You could be a very dangerous man Scruffy...so glad you aren't! Oh my! :eek::lol:

God bless

Scruffy Kid
Jan 24th 2011, 05:48 PM
I am now a believer. Thanks Brother! :D

You could be a very dangerous man Scruffy
Don't rely on interpretations. :mad: Ignore man-made churches and traditions . :mad: Just read the Bible :idea: and God will teach you surprising things!

moonglow
Jan 24th 2011, 05:55 PM
Don't rely on interpretations. :mad: Ignore man-made churches and traditions . :mad: Just read the Bible :idea: and God will teach you surprising things!

Amen! Your post was ingenious though...and a tad bit scary because that is exactly what people do all the time and scary because you were really good at it..! :eek: You do realize someone is going to read it and believe what you wrote don't you? :hmm:

God bless

hopefulagain
Jan 24th 2011, 09:29 PM
To Moonglow first, then looking for scriputure;

That half scripture showed people willfully rejecting a historical fact. It will be close to that again in the future. Mat 24:37-39

And just like the verse in Jeremiah which was used and you said,fuuee. 1 Thess 5:3,"While thet are talking of peace and security, all at once calamity is upon them." Jer 6:14,"of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace."

Now for all when that calamity comes that Jesus said would be like thew days of Noah and the scoffers reject by ignoring it.

"The beast was taken prisoner, and so was the false prophet who had worked miracles in its presence and deluded those that had received the mark of the beast and worshipped its image." Re19:20 Now if all of you have a bible look up the next verse and see what happens to the three groups mentioned.

When you are deluded by the beast and false prophet you won't see it coming. You will say all things are going just like they used to. Do any of you know who the beast is? What about the false prophet? What about those believers Jesus talked about? Mat 7:21-23 They say Lord, Lord we did this in your name and Jesus says, get away from me, Inever knew you.

Wow ,do you think these are the deluded ones by the rulers of the world. 1 john 5:19 Who is running the world? And who does he give the authority to? Re 13:1,2.

Firefighter
Jan 24th 2011, 10:05 PM
STILL waiting...

ProjectPeter
Jan 24th 2011, 11:49 PM
And I do law for a living and I can assure you that (1) the NSA can already read every keystroke on every computer in the USA and (2) can listen to every cell phone call if it wishes to and (3) any use of the information gleaned from the Cray Computers in the Big Black Box still have to go through judicial review before they can be used.Considering he's from South Africa... I sort of doubt he gives a whit about what NSA can do and the US laws requiring judicial review. Call it a hunch on my part and all.

ProjectPeter
Jan 24th 2011, 11:51 PM
And as well... if you think that the NSA truly goes through the judicial process for everything they do... I've got a lake in the Arizona desert that you might be interested in purchasing? That's like saying the CIA always works by the book! I can assure you... they don't. Neither does the NSA.

moonglow
Jan 25th 2011, 02:45 AM
To Moonglow first, then looking for scriputure;

That half scripture showed people willfully rejecting a historical fact. It will be close to that again in the future. Mat 24:37-39

And just like the verse in Jeremiah which was used and you said,fuuee. 1 Thess 5:3,"While thet are talking of peace and security, all at once calamity is upon them." Jer 6:14,"of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace."

Now for all when that calamity comes that Jesus said would be like thew days of Noah and the scoffers reject by ignoring it.

"The beast was taken prisoner, and so was the false prophet who had worked miracles in its presence and deluded those that had received the mark of the beast and worshipped its image." Re19:20 Now if all of you have a bible look up the next verse and see what happens to the three groups mentioned.

When you are deluded by the beast and false prophet you won't see it coming. You will say all things are going just like they used to. Do any of you know who the beast is? What about the false prophet? What about those believers Jesus talked about? Mat 7:21-23 They say Lord, Lord we did this in your name and Jesus says, get away from me, Inever knew you.

Wow ,do you think these are the deluded ones by the rulers of the world. 1 john 5:19 Who is running the world? And who does he give the authority to? Re 13:1,2.

People have been rejecting the fact that God created the Heavens and the Earth for thousands of years now actually. You tried to say I was ignoring His command...omitting what that was about..if I hadn't looked it up what was I suppose to think seeing half a verse? No one does that. That just isn't right at all..its certainly not honest.

At any rate its too much work for me to keep going through trying to understand how are coming up with these ideas on the scriptures you post. You are inserting your own ideas into scriptures...rather then letting scripture explain themselves..that is what happens when you use single (or half) verse...anyone can make the bible say anything they want doing that. :( I would suggest joining a bible study group or at least reading some bible commentaries. The bible isn't for us to cut and paste to make it say what we want it to say and that is what you are doing by taking bits and pieces here and there to try to say something. On top of it I see nothing in any of your posts that has to do with the internet and the end times being in the bible.

For now I need to heed what 2 Timothy 2:14-19 says..

I am sorry you took offense to my corrections...its just hard for me to see the scriptures abused like this and not say anything. So I corrected you using the scriptures you gave me earlier...

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New American Standard Bible)

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

You are free to ignore my corrections of course...but I would highly recommend if you don't believe me at least please, please check your ideas with other Christians on those scriptures...at least bible commentaries..which are done by people who have studied the bible intensely most of their lives. Here is a link to some online free ones: http://www.studylight.org/com/ Compare several different ones..the more the better to get the full meaning of those verses you post.

God bless

Equipped_4_Love
Jan 25th 2011, 07:52 AM
O ye of little faith!

This is hidden from the logical and cautious, but when I get a strange idea I know it must be revealed by God, because he promises that he will personally reveal to each christian the truth. (The apparent differences of view between Christians are just an illusion, perpetrated by Obama, and other liberals and Catholics generally.)

First we need to start with the book of Revelation. The important fact there is that every time you use the internet you are clicking on various icons. But the word "icon" comes from the Greek εἰκών (eikōn, Strong's G1504). This word occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the NT, but particularly in Revelations where it is translated "the image" of the beast (Rev. 13:14-15, 14:9, 14:11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4). This is also alluded to when Jesus is asked about tribute, asks for a coin, and points out that it is Ceasar's image which appears on it, prophetically signifying electronic money.

There are also references to the way the web will be used to imprison us in the OT. Samson (Judges 16:3) speaks to Delilah, who has robbed him of his strength, saying, prophetically, "you weave the seven locks of my head with the web." Samson, of course, does not realize that he is speaking prophetically of the World-wide web, for as Peter says "the prophets enquired and searched diligently" but "to them it was revealed that not to themselves but to us did they minister things that are now reported unto you" (I Peter 1:10,12). Job, likewise, says of "the paths of those that forget God" that their hope shall be cut off" and that their "trust shall be as a spider's web."

The main OT prophecies, however, which are also picked up in the NT have to do with the net, which is mentioned 39 times in 37 verses in the Bible (KJV), 8 of them in the NT. It is the OT references that are decisive, however. Significantly, the last mention of the "net" in the OT is in Habakkuk, who says, of conquerors who come to destroy God's people


they catch them in their net, ... therefore they rejoice and are glad. Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion [is] fat, and their meat plenteous. Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?
There are also three references to networks, and Isaiah 19:9 explicitly says that "they who weave networks shall be confounded."

So if you want to make God out to be a liar, you can deny the Bible's strong teaching on the WWW and internet; but Rev 22:19 warns us against taking away from the words of this book (the BIBLE).

Let the reader understand.

YES!!! Finally, someone is making sense....Oh, but you left out the OT prophecy relating to artificial intelligence, as is so clear in the account in Jushua 7:2-5. The men of Ai is clearly a reference to the artificial intelligence which is so prevalent today. This is prophetic...It even says that the men of Ai struck down 36 men -- 6 goes into 36 6 times....666. Indeed, this has to do with the mark of the beast.

hopefulagain
Jan 25th 2011, 01:43 PM
To Moonglow;

Correct me if you think it needs to be. But when you made me believe that The historical account in Jeremiah meant nothing, it was shown that Ro 15:4 had you smooth your comment over by saying that is not what you meant. In the process 2 pe 3:5 was partially used, because it was to show the danger in not taking in account the past. If you continue reading those verses it talks about the world getting destroyed by water. And as was shown Jesus took that historical event serious when he said Mat 24:37-39.

But here is the final kicker showing that your mind cannot be reached. Your bible ---All Scripture is inspired. Here is where you miss it. All. Does that mean you can't get something from half a verse? Only a blind spiritual person would use that logic.

When Stephen gave his speech it starts with the God of glory--Ps 29:3 "The voice of the Lord is heard on the seas; the glorious God thunders, and his voice echoes over the ocean." Did Stephen use the whole verse? No.

Then Stephen says,"Before our ancestor Abraham had gone to live in Haran." Now go read Gen 11:31. Did you notice he left alot out? Terah, Lot,Sarai, were not even mentioned.

So deos that mean he is only using a half verse or whatever?

Am I concerned? The bible shows many will lose their life. Re 19:20 very partial verse--"that he had deceived those.'

Now why do I say there will be many? Mat 7:13, partial---,"because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it."

Yes I am concerned and if the verses can help one come to a accurate understanding of the bible, thats great. 2 Tim 3:7,"women who are always trying to learn but who can never come to know the truth." Now don't jump on it and say it only happens to women. Jesus showed it happens to men. John 5:39 Also 2 Cor 4:3,4, shows the blinding force.

So my hope is it will turn you around so the light will hit the dark side of the moon and make you complete.

hopefulagain

Firefighter
Jan 25th 2011, 01:47 PM
Maybe if you posted some scripture that even kinda, sorta mentioned anything like a National ID card, people might believe it. As of yet, you haven't posted a single one and continue to ignore my requests.

RabbiKnife
Jan 25th 2011, 02:14 PM
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BrianW
Jan 25th 2011, 03:14 PM
Wow.

Are people really so worried that someone might see what they put out there on the net? Guess what, nothing is private on the net. Once you put it out there it is there in some form or another forever. Web pages, emails, text etc.
It can always be found if someone wants it.

If you don't want someone seeing it in the future do not have it anywhere on your PC. If its on a hard drive it can be found unless you remove it from the PC, drill a bunch of holes in it and then soak it in acid. And if you have to go that far? You have more than just privacy problems.

Net privacy? Its a myth.
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I can remember being young when they first started using scanners in grocery stores. The older folks in my church were going nuts saying that before too long the government was going to start tattooing bar codes on kids and we would have to be scanned before we could buy or sell anything and "Its a sign of the end times!"

No man knows what day.

Firefighter
Jan 25th 2011, 03:18 PM
To Moonglow;

Correct me if you think it needs to be. But when you made me believe that The historical account in Jeremiah meant nothing, it was shown that Ro 15:4 had you smooth your comment over by saying that is not what you meant. In the process 2 pe 3:5 was partially used, because it was to show the danger in not taking in account the past. If you continue reading those verses it talks about the world getting destroyed by water. And as was shown Jesus took that historical event serious when he said Mat 24:37-39.

But here is the final kicker showing that your mind cannot be reached. Your bible ---All Scripture is inspired. Here is where you miss it. All. Does that mean you can't get something from half a verse? Only a blind spiritual person would use that logic.

When Stephen gave his speech it starts with the God of glory--Ps 29:3 "The voice of the Lord is heard on the seas; the glorious God thunders, and his voice echoes over the ocean." Did Stephen use the whole verse? No.

Then Stephen says,"Before our ancestor Abraham had gone to live in Haran." Now go read Gen 11:31. Did you notice he left alot out? Terah, Lot,Sarai, were not even mentioned.

So deos that mean he is only using a half verse or whatever?

Am I concerned? The bible shows many will lose their life. Re 19:20 very partial verse--"that he had deceived those.'

Now why do I say there will be many? Mat 7:13, partial---,"because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it."

Yes I am concerned and if the verses can help one come to a accurate understanding of the bible, thats great. 2 Tim 3:7,"women who are always trying to learn but who can never come to know the truth." Now don't jump on it and say it only happens to women. Jesus showed it happens to men. John 5:39 Also 2 Cor 4:3,4, shows the blinding force.

So my hope is it will turn you around so the light will hit the dark side of the moon and make you complete.

hopefulagain

Let's apply that elsewhere in scripture without using context (or common sense) as a guide...

Matthew 27:5 ...Then he went away and hanged himself.

Luke 10:37 ...Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”


It should be pretty obvious now why partial verses and randomly selecting verses means very little.

Now on a more serious note, I believe you owe Moonglow an apology. You were rude and have wrongfully accused her of being blind, incomplete, and incapable of being reached. I have known her online for several years. I have spoken with her on the phone. In my assessment, she has shown more fruit, compassion and understanding in a single post then you have your entire time here. Just because someone doesn't decide to drink your particular flavor of kool-aid doesn't mean that they are the mean, hateful things you have accused our beloved sister of.

RabbiKnife
Jan 25th 2011, 03:24 PM
I agree.

"Mean and hateful" is usually reserved for MY comments.

Firefighter
Jan 25th 2011, 03:31 PM
I agree.

"Mean and hateful" is usually reserved for MY comments.

Too bad, so sad buddy. We're on to you. We know you say things, even thought they appear rough sometimes, out of love and concern. :P

ProjectPeter
Jan 25th 2011, 03:33 PM
Maybe if you posted some scripture that even kinda, sorta mentioned anything like a National ID card, people might believe it. As of yet, you haven't posted a single one and continue to ignore my requests.
It's certainly not going to be the mark... did I miss someone saying that? A password isn't a mark... it's a password! :lol: Thing with the ID card stuff. That's silly to mistook as the mark. A much better case can be made for a chip implant type something or other... and even that would have to be under circumstances so obvious that if a believer didn't recognize that this was all done in "worship" of the beast... then they ain't believers. Shoot... I believe that time is short and pretty near just waiting on that fat chick angel to start singing and all... but a national ID card is the least of our worries.

This thing with the Internet... if it happens... I wouldn't be surprised. I agree with bdh in that on paper you can come up with a bunch of good that can come out of it. I also agree that in the hands of the wrong person or people, then it could be bad. I strongly suspect that the US Government fits the bill of "wrong people". But it isn't a surprise that they'd jump all over this now that they've empowered themselves in such a way with the Internet. Why pass that law in the first place unless you intended to actually grasp the power of the law. So not a shocker here.

Dani H
Jan 25th 2011, 04:06 PM
Col 3:12,"So then, you must clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience."

I wholeheartedly agree with this Scripture, and strive to put it into practice with every post I make here. Thank you for posting it.

Scruffy Kid
Jan 26th 2011, 06:00 AM
Hi hopefulagain!
I really like your name "hopeful again" because living hopefully (that is, knowing God's love and faithfulness) is really important for me as I seek to follow Christ!

Welcome to Bibleforums!
It's good to have you here! :pp :pp :pp

I especially liked the last two Scriptures you posted in your first post in this thread.

Col 3:12,"So then, you must clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness humility, gentleness, and patience."

Mat 6:30,"It is God who clothes the wild grass--grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, burned up in the oven.
Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you? What little faith you have!"


Your first Scripture

We have hope because of God's faithfulness and love for us. And because of all He has done for us! . As you say, "It is God who clothes the wild grass" ... and "Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you?"

As I have faith in God, and in His only son Jesus Christ, I can have peace even in difficult situations. Paul sums this up very well in Romans 8:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom 8:28) Because Paul is confident that God helps those who trust in Him, and love Him, Paul teaches us that we do not need to be afraid, even when things get very difficult, very rough. He asks in verse 31 "If God is for us, who can be against us?" In other words, we don't have to be afraid at all, for our hope and our trust are in God.

We do our best to follow the ways God teaches us to live. And although we are weak, and live in a dangerous world, we still have peace, because our hope is in God, Who is almighty, and Who is faithful! So Paul concludes, in verses 8:35-39

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
As it is written:

"For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Paul's big point here is that we have hope, and peace, despite the dangers of this world, because our hope is a sure hope: a hope in God. We have security and peace because of God, and God's loving care for us, as we pass even through great difficulties and trials.

This is basically the same teaching as the teaching of Jesus (Matt. 6:30 ff., also Luke 12:28 ff.) which you quoted: God clothes the grass of the field, and feeds the birds of the air, though none of them works for a living. (See also Is. 40:7-8, I Peter 1:24, etc.) And we can confidently expect that all the more that God will provide us with the things we need -- green pastures, still waters, healing for the heart, protection from dangers, and (most of all) God's own fellowship and presence forevermore! (Ps. 23).

Actually, the rewards start now -- in my experience -- through knowing godly Christian men and women. For while any of my human friends is fallible, and makes mistakes, and commits serious errors, just as I myself do, God is faithful, and gives us fellowship with one another, as well as forgiving our sins. Thus, Paul says, nothing can separate us from God's love. We have hope because God loves us and cares for us! And in my life God has shown me His love and faithfulness through various Christian friends. This happens both as they are kind toward me, and as they inspire me, by passing through various trials, still trusting in God! I am thankful, and also all this helps me to understand God's faithfulness and love better.



Your second Scripture

We know God's kindness. (We cannot earn or merit it: it comes from something far better than our efforts, namely God's goodness and mercy to us)

Because we know God's kindness -- especially as he continues to love us despite our problems and mess-ups -- we also learn to be kind and gentle to others. (We start, by God's mercy, to begin to be shaped in our character by God's character.)

As John says (I John 4:10) "This is love, not that we loved God, but that God loved us, and gave His Son to be the propitiation [hilasmos] for our sins!" God's love starts to transform us, and we are then more able to love lots and lots of people -- including rather difficult people. Again, John says "We love because He first loved us!" (I John 4:19, see also 4:11).

For this reason Jesus teaches us, and Paul, in Romans and elsewhere (Philippians, etc. ), teaches us live godly lives by caring for those in need, loving even people who have done us wrong, who are in error, or whose lives are disordered. "We love because He first loved us"! And, as John says elsewhere in this same letter, God's forgiveness to us also brings reconciliation with other people, and especially Christian brothers and sisters: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us all our sins, and to cleanse us from unrighteousness" Likewise, we then "have fellowship with one another[/COLOR]"!! (I John 1:9, 7)

So God's love changes us, and enables us to live as Christ wants us to live: We learn to put our own selfish impulses aside, when these get in the way of what God wants us to do, and we often shoulder burdens on behalf of others. We learn this from God, because this is how God loves us, and how Christ loved us, during his earthly life, and still does!

Thus you so rightly say, aptly quoting Col. 3:12, "you must clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness humility, gentleness, and patience." We learn to follow Jesus, to open our hearts more to him; and so we start to behave toward others with the same kind of love that God lives out, eternally. It's through His love that He shows in his goodness to us: as you say, "compassion, kindness humility, gentleness, and patience."

It's by knowing God and His people that we often come to live gentle, humble, holy lives, and to love and serve others -- even those who are sometimes hard for us to accept (often including our parents, children, brothers and sisters, and fellow Christians)! The basic stance of learning to want to serve and help others, retaining our own integrity the while, helps us to understand how we may obey God by loving the people who He has made, and who He so faithfully loves!

This includes forgiveness of course. Sometimes when I'm struggling against recurrent flaws in my character, and asking God's help, He seems very near and tangible. But often, at these times, He seems distant, or not very helpful. But that, however, in my opinion, is an illusion. God always cares for us, and God loves to help us become better, more like Christ Jesus. How great is His goodness and love! For it's this that is the great adventure of the Christian life, I think!! So God forgives me, in His love, and goes right on loving me. And then I start to gain more confidence in forgiving and loving others!

In friendship, :D
Scruffy Kid

hopefulagain
Jan 26th 2011, 05:34 PM
To Firefighter and Rabbiknife;

First fire man, you mentioned your waiting. True, you are a product of your envirement, because you are waiting for a fire all the time. And when the destruction comes that Jesus talked about. Mat24:37-39 you will be waiting to find out what to do and you will hear the word. SORRY TO LATE!

The part you are missing in using half the verse is thats all that was needed to refure Moonglows approach, who then begged off by saying that is not what he meant or you misunderstood him. The funny thing about this is it was so simple. But you 3 don't get it.

In all the verses used by Stephen try and find how many times he quoted the whole verse. You guys are unreasonable and I think you should join the rabiys and clergy.

Why don't people ever talk about the holocaust the Israelites started and the lose of many lives because of it?

Judges 20:40,"But the signal began to go up from the city, a pillar of smoke; and the Benjamites turned their eyes back, and found that the holocaust of the city had towered to the sky." BLE

Look the word up in the dictionary, it fits. And then read your bible why it happened. And was this done because they didn't know better?

How many of the 10 commandments did they break? Partial verse,"for those who love me and keep my commandments." Ex 20:6 There is one, did not keep the commandment.

Ex 20:12 partial verse,"Honor your father and mother." There is two, they disgraced them.

Ex 20:7 partial verse,"name of God in vain." There is three,the stence still stinks and some people refuse to learn about God in this day because of things like that. But it wasn't God.

Ex 20:13,"You shall not murder." There is four.

20:14,"You shall not commit adultery." There is five

Ex 20:15,"You shall not steal." There is six is six

Check and see how many thousands lost their lifes and then imaign the pain it inflicted on all those who lost a loved one in battle. Was this information hard to understand for them? Is it hard for people to do what Jesus said? John 15:10

Ex 20:17 partial verse,"you shall not desire your neibors wife." There

Firefighter
Jan 26th 2011, 05:53 PM
Here are some helpful hints to remember when trying to teach someone something.


1. Try to post at least one cohesive thought.

2. Do not try to insult the people you are trying to reach.

3. Context, context, context.

4. Try not to assume you understand what environment people are familiar with.

5. If you are the only one that "gets it", chances are, you are the one that is wrong.

6. Never get into a spraying contest with a skunk.



and finally...

7. Do not attempt to insult, belittle, or be condescending to the very people that can pull the plug on your little tirade. ;)

Reynolds357
Jan 26th 2011, 06:12 PM
I think this is just more fear-mongering to detract most voters from the real issues.

Neither Congress nor any agency nor the administration has any power to regulate the internet, since the internet does not belong to the USA, nor can it be found in the USA. The issue arose because of some people's desires to have one "super duper online password" to use for everything so that they don't have to remember all of their passwords to everything.

This is not a government takeover of anything.

The NSA can already read every single keystroke if it wanted to.

Actually, The US Government can regulate the internet in the USA. "It" may not exist here, but the hardware that connects us to it is all located here and can be regulated by the FCC. The Government may not be able to tell you that you must have an Id card to use the internet, but they can tell you that you must have an ID card to access it.

Firefighter
Jan 26th 2011, 06:17 PM
The FCC cannot and does not regulate the internet OR internet service providers in any way...

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/internet.html

Reynolds357
Jan 26th 2011, 06:17 PM
And as well... if you think that the NSA truly goes through the judicial process for everything they do... I've got a lake in the Arizona desert that you might be interested in purchasing? That's like saying the CIA always works by the book! I can assure you... they don't. Neither does the NSA.

Exactly. The courts can scold them, but the courts can not stop them. The executive branch is the only branch that can control law enforcement. The courts are merely limited to throwing out cases improperly made. I am sure what these agencies do is simply present in a "creative" way how they legally obtained the illegally obtained evidence.

Reynolds357
Jan 26th 2011, 06:19 PM
The FCC cannot and does not regulate the internet OR internet service providers in any way...

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/internet.html

Did you read the words "can be?" It is communications equipment. All it takes is 1 bill, 2 votes, and 1 signature and the FCC has complete regulatory authority. It really does not even require that. 1 CZAR and 1 signature could probably get it done.

Firefighter
Jan 26th 2011, 06:29 PM
You are thinking too small man... :lol:

There would need to be an whole 'nuther department, say "The National Internet Authority", complete with 30,000 bureaucrats, 10,000 internet po-po, and of course a new section to collect the internet taxes. :D

keck553
Jan 26th 2011, 08:46 PM
You are thinking too small man... :lol:

There would need to be an whole 'nuther department, say "The National Internet Authority", complete with 30,000 bureaucrats, 10,000 internet po-po, and of course a new section to collect the internet taxes. :D

Jobs man. Jobs.

Reynolds357
Jan 26th 2011, 09:14 PM
I am ususally anti large government and pretty libertarian to be as ultra-conservative as I am. Having said that, internet ID would not really bother me. L.E. is snooping anyway. Might as well be reminded of that fact every time you log on.

hopefulagain
Jan 26th 2011, 09:29 PM
To Dani H. AND Firefighter;

Dani you are welcome and best of wishes in carrying it out.

I respect your authority Firefighter. But it was ironic we were talking about the Big Gov pulling the plug on internet. And then you let me know you are close to pulling the plug on me. No offense taken as I believe it is stupid to get easily offended.

So I will borrow your water hose and water down my thoughts.

You all have a great day------------------Life is wonderful so everybody look at what Jesus told his Father---------John 17:3

Vhayes
Jan 26th 2011, 09:47 PM
When you are deluded by the beast and false prophet you won't see it coming. You will say all things are going just like they used to.


Ok - I'll bite. Tell me what verse you are using to base that statement on and how does it reconcile with this?

Matthew 24
24 - "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

RabbiKnife
Jan 26th 2011, 10:05 PM
V, you are clearly deluded.

So get back in the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans.

Vhayes
Jan 26th 2011, 10:07 PM
It's too cold to be barefoot and I'm too old to be pregnant. But yep - I'll be headed that way soon - braised Beef tips, green pepper and mushrooms over noodles. Yummmmm.

hopefulagain
Jan 27th 2011, 03:17 PM
To save the great lakes 7;

I have some good news and bad news for you. First lets look at you rverse------------mislead---------QUESTION-------Do they do this with one thing or several things? Did not Jesus say at verse 21, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be."? Was Jesus connecting it to Daniel's prophecy? Dan 12:1,:and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time."
Did your verse connect with Daniel's? Yours said there would be misleading being done. Dan 12:10,"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise one shall understand."

When would this be? The dark ages when people didn't have a bible? Or after when a few bibles were printed, or when bibles are everywhere? Dan 12:4,"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." But was there anything written about the tribulation after Jesus died?

Re 7:14,"These are they which come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." But what happens to those who aren't included? "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he had deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that had worshipped his image. "

If you read on they are all destroyed. Re 19:20,21. You can see why it is bad news for some but good news for others? What you want to remember is your verse showed people being mislead by religious men. But the ones destoyed at the end were, deceived GNB, deceived KJ, deluded NEB, deceived NJB, deceived ASV, deceived TNT by George M. Lamsa.

Now how might a internet ID help in finding out who is worshipping the beast? Also how might pulling the plug on internet help break contact of true believers? But the most important question for you is to figure out why the religious element that was misleading,deludeing, deceiving, manking is not mentioned? So what happened to them? Why is the kingdom governments the ones having you worship its image?

So do you remember Daniel said they would make themselves white, and Jesus showed it being linked to the end times a great tribulation, and John wtote this group from all nations comes out and washed their robes white. Ever hear the expression, BE THERE?

RabbiKnife
Jan 27th 2011, 03:23 PM
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hopefulagain
Jan 27th 2011, 03:24 PM
P.S. TO ALL;

When people are misled, they don't tell you or anyone all the things they used. When a blind man follows a blind man and they both fall into the pit. So try and think out side the box.

Vhayes
Jan 27th 2011, 03:26 PM
I asked for a verse - how is that mislead?

Help me out here. I don't need a lecture on how stupid/misguided/ I am, I need a verse. If you are using the verse in Daniel, then my question is how does one make their robe white?

Firefighter
Jan 27th 2011, 03:46 PM
P.S. TO ALL;

When people are misled, they don't tell you or anyone all the things they used. When a blind man follows a blind man and they both fall into the pit. So try and think out side the box.


In light of all the requests for scripture that have gone unanswered, PLEASE tell me you see the irony here.

hopefulagain
Jan 27th 2011, 06:37 PM
Hi to all and great lakes 7;

FIRST GREAT LAKES7 DANIEL CHAPTER 12 NEB SOME KEY LINES AS TO HOW THEY MAKE THERE ROBES WHITE. Verse 2,3."But at that moment your people will be delivered, everyone WHO IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK." "MANY OF THOSE WHO SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH WILL WAKE, SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE." Also remember it is the great tribulation that will never happen again and that Jesus showed he believed it. Mat 24:21 Also John believed it. Re 7:9-14

Verse 4 Some shine as they help people in the true path. 10"Many shall purify themselves and be refined, making themselves shining white, but the wicked shall continue in wickedness and none of them shall understand."

Please note some take action to purify themselves, but others refuse, for it makes it clear they continue and won't understand

2 Tim 3:1,5,7 parts of,""You must face the fact: the final age of this world is to be a time of troubles." "They will be men who put pleasure in the place of God, men who preserve the outward form of religion, but are a standing denial of its reality." "who are always wanting to be taught, but are incapable of reaching a knowledge of the truth."
Would you say John 17:3 puts them in a bad position? "This is eternal life: to know thee who alone art truly God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent."

Those who whiten themselves follow Jesus words,"If you heed my commands, you will dwell in my love, as I have heeded my Father's commands and dwell in his love."

1 Pe 4:Then you lived in licence and debauchery, drunkenness, revelry, and tippling, and the forbidden worship of idols.""Now, when you no longer plunge with them into all this reckless dissipation, they cannot understand it."

Some make changes and some do not. It would take along time to bring all these up. As for the ID THING, STOP AND ASK YOURSELF IS THE RULERS GOING TO HUNT DOWN AND PUT A MARK ON YOUR BODY? Or is it that what people worship will tell the story? Is it wrong to be on the internet? Not really. How can one worship the beast when they don't know what it is?

Remember Daniel--------------------some understand-----------------others don't. The Id thing is no different then the fema camps, or loss of other freedoms through deciet. For example my family has no health insurance, but the rulers want me to have it so bad, they will start fining me in 2014. Now that is deception. Nancy could care less if I drop dead because I didn't have insurance and they won't operate and put in a pace-maker.

RabbiKnife
Jan 27th 2011, 06:42 PM
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ProjectPeter
Jan 27th 2011, 07:28 PM
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Dang... that hurt my eyes to look at! :lol:

teddyv
Jan 27th 2011, 07:41 PM
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You either get that or you don't. :)

Firefighter
Jan 27th 2011, 07:49 PM
There are 10 types of people in this world, those that get it and those who do not. ;)

RabbiKnife
Jan 27th 2011, 07:56 PM
There are 10 types of people in this world, those that get it and those who do not. ;)

Thank God for the internet....

:)

awestruckchild
Jan 27th 2011, 08:20 PM
Thanks FF..............I haven't shot coffee through my nose in a long time. Always good to have a reminder to take care when drinking hot coffee...

Firefighter
Jan 27th 2011, 11:03 PM
My pleasure. I am here to serve. :lol:

moonglow
Jan 28th 2011, 03:16 AM
You either get that or you don't. :)

I don't get it...:rolleyes:

hopefulagain
Jan 28th 2011, 02:37 PM
Hi to all who either get it or don't get it;

1. Eve was deceived?
2. Adam was not?
3. But,both of them had the true knowledge of God for protection?
4. So when Eve heard something which went contrary to God, she could have leaned on God's word?
5. Likewise, when Eve showed Adam what she had done, he could have relied on God's word?

Paul was concerned for those who had become believers,2 Cor11:3,"I am afraid that your minds will be corrupted and that you will will abandon your full and pure devotion to Christ-- in the same way that Eve was deceived by the snakes clever lies."

Minds corrupted,abandon pure devotion,deceived clever lies. Can people do this to other people? 1 Tim 4:1-2,"The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times and follow the teachings of demons. Such teachings are spread be deceitful liars, who consciences are dead, as if burnt with a hot iron." So the answer is YES.

But what about Adam? 1 Tim 2:14,"And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and broke God's law." He did it on his own-willful disobedience.

They both got it,but one was tricked by a lie, the other was not tricked. What about now, in the time when bibles are everywhere? Doesn't the bible show that there are those who don't get it? And also those who get it both facing destruction?

2 Thess 2:10-12,"and use every kind of wicked deceit on those who will perish. They will perish because they did not welcome and love the truth so as to be saved. And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false. The result is that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken pleasure in sin, will be condemmed."

Did they get it? Or didn't they get it?

Firefighter
Jan 28th 2011, 02:45 PM
So how does this in any way apply to an Internet ID!?!?!


See Rule #1.

MoreMercy
Jan 28th 2011, 05:04 PM
I think this would be impossible to do...but image how many child porn people it would catch? Not too mention other illegal activity that goes on the net all the time..:cool:

God bless

I agree with you moonglow, totally.

I have no issue living my life serving my God on a hill top, for everyone to see.
If that means I will be persecuted in my future by my Nation's government for the life I live, then so be it.

Our Nation's government, and its economy will stand or fall separate from God's obedient servants/children living in it.

Even the World's economy and, (soon to come) World government will stand or fall separate from God's obedient servants/children living in it, amen.


Father bless you and yours more and more.

moonglow
Jan 28th 2011, 06:06 PM
Do you get it?

(You either get it or you don't get it.)

I didn't get that either...:rolleyes::lol:

I think this is only something men can understand..:hmm:

Scruffy Kid
Jan 28th 2011, 09:04 PM
Joketeller:

What's green, has a thousand legs, and lives in the mountains?Listener:

Wow! I'm stumped. What's the answer?Joketeller:

The answer is the Washington Post (the newspaper) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Listener:

Huh? What? :confused Joketeller (eagerly):

Do you get it? ...

Do you get it?

(You either get it or you don't get it.)Do you get it?

(You either get it or you don't get it.)

Listener:

I don't get it!


I don't get it either.
...............

Joketeller:

Neither do I!
I get the Wall Street Journal instead! :lol:

Firefighter
Jan 28th 2011, 09:26 PM
Bad Scruffy. Bad, bad Scruffy. :lol:

ProjectPeter
Jan 28th 2011, 09:42 PM
I don't get it.


























:lol:

Vhayes
Jan 28th 2011, 09:46 PM
Moonglow - it's computer-ese (read: geek-ese) and the way I understand it is men are the 0's and women are the 1's.







Runnin' now, boss....

teddyv
Jan 28th 2011, 09:51 PM
Moonglow - it's computer-ese (read: geek-ese) and the way I understand it is men are the 0's and women are the 1's.





Runnin' now, boss....
Looking at those numbers, I'd reverse the genders. But that's just me. ;)

moonglow
Jan 29th 2011, 03:13 AM
Moonglow - it's computer-ese (read: geek-ese) and the way I understand it is men are the 0's and women are the 1's.







Runnin' now, boss....

er...still scratching my head...:hmm:

Vhayes
Jan 29th 2011, 04:04 AM
er...still scratching my head...:hmm:
Computer language, binary code, is all 1's and 0's.

moonglow
Jan 29th 2011, 04:20 AM
Computer language, binary code, is all 1's and 0's.

Yea teddy told me that...but what is funny about that? :confused

Firefighter
Jan 29th 2011, 03:29 PM
When I said "there are only 10 types of people in the world..." it is a play on numbers because "10" is binary for the number "2".

moonglow
Jan 29th 2011, 04:22 PM
When I said "there are only 10 types of people in the world..." it is a play on numbers because "10" is binary for the number "2".

ok so basically you are really saying there are only two types of people in the world...correct?

Vhayes
Jan 29th 2011, 04:23 PM
ok so basically you are really saying there are only two types of people in the world...correct?
I told you it was geek-speak :-)

Firefighter
Jan 29th 2011, 04:41 PM
ok so basically you are really saying there are only two types of people in the world...correct?

Correct. It is a computer nerd thing.

moonglow
Jan 29th 2011, 04:59 PM
I told you it was geek-speak :-)

I guess I am not a geek..:(


Correct. It is a computer nerd thing.

Apparently I am not a nerd either! :eek:

An airhead at times ...sure! :lol: