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Amos_with_goats
Apr 26th 2011, 05:45 PM
IMF Bombshell: Age of America Nears End (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25) (Marketwatch.com)
(http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25)

Warrior4God
Apr 28th 2011, 04:53 PM
An interesting read. However, it's actually a mere footnote. Eventually, there will be a world economy with a world currency and China will lose it's short lived "prestige" of having the dominant currency and economic might, just like the United States. :2cents:

Athanasius
Apr 28th 2011, 05:03 PM
An interesting read. However, it's actually a mere footnote. Eventually, there will be a world economy with a world currency and China will lose it's short lived "prestige" of having the dominant currency and economic might, just like the United States. :2cents:

Or not, and China will be in a position of prestige for quite some time. Maybe then those Evangelical Americans will realize they aren't and never were a modern day (theocratic) Israel.

Warrior4God
Apr 28th 2011, 05:13 PM
Or not, and China will be in a position of prestige for quite some time. Maybe then those Evangelical Americans will realize they aren't and never were a modern day (theocratic) Israel.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I happen to thoroughly disagree with it, but you are indeed entitled to it. :2cents: :D

HisLeast
Apr 28th 2011, 05:24 PM
I don't think anyone should be surprised that 2 billion ultra-hard working, obsessively saving new capitalists are quickly growing their economy. To declare it the end of the American age though is a little... dramatic. Actually, to assume there was an "American Age" is a touch on the dramatic side to begin with. If we expressed that growth in per capita numbers, it might look substantially less impressive.

Articles like this make me feel sorry for Americans, who seem to live in fear and guilt of their relative success. Who came up with the idea that largest economic throughput = greatest nation? Do freedoms and standards of living not factor into that at all? Why does second place in any given economic metric = "end of an era"? What slice of the pie do you think the average Chinaman is getting from their nation's growth? Not a whole lot... which is why Chinese people still migrate to the US. All things considered, this is still one of the best countries in the world for converting hard work and shrewd intellects into success.

Warrior4God
Apr 28th 2011, 05:31 PM
I don't think anyone should be surprised that 2 billion ultra-hard working, obsessively saving new capitalists are quickly growing their economy. To declare it the end of the American age though is a little... dramatic. Actually, to assume there was an "American Age" is a touch on the dramatic side to begin with. If we expressed that growth in per capita numbers, it might look substantially less impressive.

Articles like this make me feel sorry for Americans, who seem to live in fear and guilt of their relative success. Who came up with the idea that largest economic throughput = greatest nation? Do freedoms and standards of living not factor into that at all? Why does second place in any given economic metric = "end of an era"? What slice of the pie do you think the average Chinaman is getting from their nation's growth? Not a whole lot... which is why Chinese people still migrate to the US. All things considered, this is still one of the best countries in the world for converting hard work and shrewd intellects into success.

I find it humorous, and very ironic, that China wants to become more capitalist and many in the United States want to become more socialist / communist. :lol: :2cents:

Athanasius
Apr 28th 2011, 06:35 PM
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I happen to thoroughly disagree with it, but you are indeed entitled to it. :2cents: :D

Which part? All of it, that China will be in a positive of prestige for a while, or that America isn't a modern-day theocratic Israel?

mattlad22
Apr 28th 2011, 06:56 PM
I think it is ripe for america to be at an end as anywhere else. To me a definition of that is that on a single basis throughout the world it seems the heart is puffed up enough to say "nothing can befall me", thats not just America, but America gets focus because we are either in it or near it and it is the big honcho of the world presently, but to focus distinctly on America I say is likened to a false witness, the whole world is under this illusion.

Grace to you, peace by God and the Lord.

HisLeast
Apr 28th 2011, 07:05 PM
I think it is ripe for america to be at an end as anywhere else. To me a definition of that is that on a single basis throughout the world it seems the heart is puffed up enough to say "nothing can befall me", thats not just America, but America gets focus because we are either in it or near it and it is the big honcho of the world presently, but to focus distinctly on America I say is likened to a false witness, the whole world is under this illusion.

Grace to you, peace by God and the Lord.

I'd suggest you spend some serious time amongst Americans. I am not an American, but I've lived here for about 10 years. In my opinion, there's few people as self depricating as Americans. They have a cultural imperitive to hate themselves. Americans, on average, are of the opinion that they are (i) one of the worst countries in the world and (ii) that everything they do both on a foriegn stage and domestically is backwards.

When I first moved here, I used to tell a joke: "What does a Canadian say when you stomp on his foot?" Answer: "Sorry".

I've quickly come to realize that the joke is far FAR more appropriate in an American context, than a Canadian one.

mattlad22
Apr 28th 2011, 07:18 PM
I'd suggest you spend some serious time amongst Americans. I am not an American, but I've lived here for about 10 years. In my opinion, there's few people as self depricating as Americans. They have a cultural imperitive to hate themselves. Americans, on average, are of the opinion that they are (i) one of the worst countries in the world and (ii) that everything they do both on a foriegn stage and domestically is backwards.

When I first moved here, I used to tell a joke: "What does a Canadian say when you stomp on his foot?" Answer: "Sorry".

I've quickly come to realize that the joke is far FAR more appropriate in an American context, than a Canadian one.

I dont know what this is coming from, pride of country?
I didnt elevate America at all or compare it to anything, i stated it is viewed that way because it is the honcho and most of us are either in it or close to it that talk about it, but the whole world is actually puffed up in the same manner.
Thats exactly what i said, so your return reply i am uncertian of the point.
If you wish to elaborate, please, i am confused on how you got that meaning.

Grace to you, peace in God and the Lord.

HisLeast
Apr 28th 2011, 07:26 PM
I dont know what this is coming from, pride of country?
I didnt elevate America at all or compare it to anything, i stated it is viewed that way because it is the honcho and most of us are either in it or close to it that talk about it, but the whole world is actually puffed up in the same manner.
Thats exactly what i said, so your return reply i am uncertian of the point.
If you wish to elaborate, please, i am confused on how you got that meaning.

Grace to you, peace in God and the Lord.

I'm suggesting that America isn't really "puffed up". Culturally, it does not have a high opinion of itself. Americans on average don't say "nothing can befall us!" but rather "doom is upon us!".

Dani H
Apr 28th 2011, 07:57 PM
I'm suggesting that America isn't really "puffed up". Culturally, it does not have a high opinion of itself. Americans on average don't say "nothing can befall us!" but rather "doom is upon us!".

Yup, just look at the empty Wal-Mart shelves every time there's mention that might weather might be coming.

Gotta stock up now! It's the end of the world! Everyone in the bunkers!

Or the fact that the guy selling a concoction to procect preople's thyroids from radioactivity is making a mint right now IN THE US even though the nuclear reactors that are leaking are halfway around the world IN JAPAN. IDK if people don't know where Japan is or maybe it's gotten knocked loose and is floating around the Pacific and coming our way, who knows?

Paranoia. Gotta love it.

mattlad22
Apr 28th 2011, 08:16 PM
I'm suggesting that America isn't really "puffed up". Culturally, it does not have a high opinion of itself. Americans on average don't say "nothing can befall us!" but rather "doom is upon us!".

Were viewing it 2 completely different ways, your talking about the reaction of natural disasters and calamity, im talking about the financial/political prowess.
Even If the question was, do you think the U.S could be destroyed soon, the answer from most would be. No. Same goes for the mass of the world.
For what your speaking of, i think people try to rely on themselves too much, im not saying it isnt wise to be ready, but I do think there is a going too far point where we tend to put Him aside and take control ourselves. Now for those who dont believe in Him, thats not an issue, how could it be?

HisLeast
Apr 28th 2011, 08:23 PM
Were viewing it 2 completely different ways, your talking about the reaction of natural disasters and calamity, im talking about the financial/political prowess.
I'm talking about both, and much more than that. Americans are culturally mandated to be ashamed of being American in almost every facet of life.


Even If the question was, do you think the U.S could be destroyed soon, the answer from most would be. No. Same goes for the mass of the world.For what your speaking of, i think people try to rely on themselves too much, im not saying it isnt wise to be ready, but I do think there is a going too far point where we tend to put Him aside and take control ourselves. Now for those who dont believe in Him, thats not an issue, how could it be?
The context of this thread isn't about relying on God. The context of this thread is "news" that "the American era is over". The thread does not pose a question, but rather presents an opinion that America is somehow diminished by having an economy marginally smaller than a country time times its size (assuming stricly linear progression of current trends).

My position is that this news does not represent an "end" to America, but it does dovetail nicely into their culture of defeat and self-hatred.

Breaks my heart.

RabbiKnife
Apr 28th 2011, 09:19 PM
I guess too many folks believe that the size of a country's economy is what makes that country either powerful or great or that an "age" is over...

bdh
Apr 28th 2011, 09:26 PM
Well, what I did notice this morning was at the opening of markets the $ was sharply down and precious metals like gold and silver we up by a substantial margin.

Hunter121
Apr 28th 2011, 11:32 PM
Ok saying, it's the end of our age is a little much, I think we will definitely still be a world power, I think they are going a little far.

mattlad22
Apr 29th 2011, 12:08 AM
I guess too many folks believe that the size of a country's economy is what makes that country either powerful or great or that an "age" is over...

I would think at least from my outside standpoint on America its because it has been looked at as a global leader among all nations, not just because of its financial position among the world. Thats my outsider take on it anyways.
Which also seems to be slipping from what it once was as a leader among the nations.

GitRDunn
Apr 29th 2011, 02:34 AM
Yup, just look at the empty Wal-Mart shelves every time there's mention that might weather might be coming.

Gotta stock up now! It's the end of the world! Everyone in the bunkers!

Or the fact that the guy selling a concoction to procect preople's thyroids from radioactivity is making a mint right now IN THE US even though the nuclear reactors that are leaking are halfway around the world IN JAPAN. IDK if people don't know where Japan is or maybe it's gotten knocked loose and is floating around the Pacific and coming our way, who knows?

Paranoia. Gotta love it.
Sadly, I am afraid that the part I bolded is at least a part of the problem. For the rest, many people hear the word "nuclear" and think they're going to grow an extra arm out of their head that very minute, no matter what context the word is used in. That's why even though MRI's (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) is the exact same thing as chemists use, they changed the name from the analytical tool used by chemists, which is NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance imaging), because the public reacted so badly to it having the word nuclear in it. Unfortunately it would seem most people aren't smart enough to realize that nuclear in this sense is referring to the nucleus of an atom, not radioactivity, nor are they calm and controlled enough to find out in what it is being used even if they don't understand the science behind it.

bdh
Apr 29th 2011, 06:28 AM
Do yourself a favor and watch these. And before anyone writes Celete off as a nut job, please examine his track record - for the past 20 years and more he's had an uncanny knack for being extremely accurate in his geo-political/economic predictions.

First take a look at what he said in 2007 just after Morgan Stanley, Fannie Mae and the rest of the gang were all given AAA ratings. Look at what he said about hosing, petroleum, sub-prime lending. All of it.


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Warrior4God
Apr 29th 2011, 06:59 PM
I would think at least from my outside standpoint on America its because it has been looked at as a global leader among all nations, not just because of its financial position among the world. Thats my outsider take on it anyways.
Which also seems to be slipping from what it once was as a leader among the nations.

Slipping, perhaps. About to become the next Third World nation? Uh...no. :2cents:

Warrior4God
Apr 29th 2011, 07:07 PM
Which part? All of it, that China will be in a positive of prestige for a while, or that America isn't a modern-day theocratic Israel?

I don't think China will be the top economic dog for long. I believe that a New World Order is being set up and there will be a One World economic system and currency. I think more and more that it will be harder for a nation to be prosperous as things will be more and more steered towards a global mentality with communism, or at least socialism, at the heart of it. The world will want to be "united," and what better way to be united than to have everybody earn the same wages, pay the same amount of taxes, and pay the same prices for things no matter who you are and no matter where you go?