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Ta-An
Sep 30th 2011, 07:07 PM
Hy is 'n Boedist,,, is hy nie?

Hoekom verhinder SA sy visa tot toegang hier?

Is die alles oor China? Wat het China te doen met die Delai Lama???

RR van Wyk
Oct 1st 2011, 06:47 AM
Dalk omdat China gesÍ het hulle moet nie. Om een of ander rede sien China hom as 'n bedreiging. En as China sÍ spring vra Afrika hoe hoog.

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 1st 2011, 01:02 PM
China haat die Dalai Lama soos pes.
Suid Afrika se grootkoppe is besitings van China.
Een en een is twee.

Ironies aangesien ons regering so vreeslik verlig en demokraties is.

Ta-An
Oct 1st 2011, 05:53 PM
China haat die Dalai Lama soos pes.
Suid Afrika se grootkoppe is besitings van China.
Een en een is twee.

Ironies aangesien ons regering so vreeslik verlig en demokraties is.
SA is mos nou deel van BRICS, (Brazil, Russia, India, China en SA) maar hoe pas die Dalai Lama hierby in.... Wat is hy anders as 'n geestelike leier....?

Johnny
Oct 3rd 2011, 05:37 AM
Analysis: Why the Dalai Lama angers China

http://www.writespirit.net/authors/dalai_lama/dalai-lama-01.jpg
When U.S. president Barack Obama meets the Dalai Lama at the White House this week, expect China to get angry.
The Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, is the traditional religious and temporal head of Tibetan Buddhists. He was made head of state at age 15 in 1950, the same year that Chinese troops occupied Tibet.
The Dalai Lama held negotiations with Chinese officials on Tibetan self-rule with little success. In 1959, he fled Tibet for exile in India after a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

Over the years, the Dalai Lama has continued to lobby for self-rule in Tibet. Tibetans around the world revere him as their spiritual leader and cultural icon. He has traveled the globe, attending meditation conferences, giving speeches in universities and parliaments, and meeting people from all walks of life, from CEOs to Hollywood stars to heads of state. He received the Nobel peace prize in 1989.
Overseas, the Dalai Lama is a celebrated figure. In China, he is a despised troublemaker.
Chinese officials have vilified him as a "wolf in monk's clothing" who seeks to destroy the country's sovereignty by pushing for independence. The Dalai Lama maintains that he does not advocate independence but wants an autonomy that would allow Tibetans to maintain their cultural, language and religion under China's rule.
China remains unconvinced.
"The Dalai Lama states that he is not seeking Tibetan independence, but Beijing sees this as a mere cover, because he has never openly given up the demand for so-called 'Greater Tibet' autonomy, so Beijing sees his meetings with world leaders as pushing for political goals," said Wenran Jiang, political science professor at University of Alberta.
Though the Dalai Lama heads a Tibetan government-in-exile not recognized by any country, his receptions and meetings with world leaders prompt China's stern condemnation.
"China is hypersensitive about unrest and separatism in its border regions," said David Shambaugh, a professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University. "Ever since the Dalai Lama's abortive 1959 uprising... he has been seen by Beijing as a subversive and 'splittist.' The Chinese feel that meeting foreign heads of state, including President Obama, gives the Dalai Lama political credibility he does not deserve."
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-18/world/analysis.china.dalai.lama_1_dalai-lama-tibetan-buddhists-chinese-officials?_s=PM:WORLD

Ta-An
Oct 3rd 2011, 07:33 AM
Dankie Johnny :)

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 3rd 2011, 08:25 AM
Hy's m.a.w. amper soos 'n Tibetiaanse Steve Hofmeyr. :monkeyd:

Ta-An
Oct 3rd 2011, 08:37 AM
Hy's m.a.w. amper soos 'n Tibetiaanse Steve Hofmeyr. :monkeyd:
:lol: .

Johnny
Oct 4th 2011, 05:16 AM
Tony, Zille stand together

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45663000/jpg/_45663788_zille226i_ap.jpg
Tue, 04 Oct 2011 7:04
The government stuck to its refusal to pronounce on the Dalai Lama's visa application on Monday but came under pressure from rights activists and ally Cosatu to allow him into the country.
"Even though China is our biggest trading partner, we should not exchange our morality for dollars or yen," the trade union federation's Western Cape leader Tony Ehrenreich told a candlelight vigil outside Parliament.
"It is completely inappropriate and discriminatory that the Dalai Lama should be denied access. Our democracy is founded on diversity, imperfect as it is."
Ehrenreich said South Africans wanted to see the rights of the Tibetan spiritual leader respected and warned: "The government must not act against the will of the people because then you are no longer acting on our behalf."
Opposition leader Helen Zille and academic Mamphele Rampehle accused the government of betraying South Africa's sovereignty and Constitution.
"We cannot be blackmailed into defying our Constitution," Zille said at the peaceful protest by some 200 people, some of them praying.

Ta-An
Oct 4th 2011, 03:27 PM
Vir so 'n klein mensie kan Zille darm 'n groot mond trek :D

Johnny
Oct 5th 2011, 05:22 AM
Tutu Slams ANC For Failing To Grant Dalai Lama Visa
by The Associated Press

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1317756853/862/5734862.jpg

October 4, 2011
Retired Archbishop Desmond Tutu, an anti-apartheid hero often described as South Africa's conscience, slammed the ANC-led government Tuesday as "disgraceful" and said it is worse than the country's former oppressive white regime for not issuing a visa to the Dalai Lama.

The African National Congress responded by calling Tutu's comparisons to the apartheid regime and to toppled Arab dictatorships "very unfortunate and totally misplaced," and said the government should be given time to explain its actions.

South African foreign ministry officials have denied accusations they are stalling on the visa because of pressure from China, a major trading partner. Tutu, who received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984 for his nonviolent campaign against white racist rule, turns 80 on Friday and had invited his fellow Nobel laureate to South Africa to celebrate his birthday.

"This government, our government, is worse than the apartheid government, because at least you were expecting it with the apartheid government," Tutu said, describing anti-regime activists being denied passports at the last minute by the white racist regime.

Barely concealing his fury, Tutu repeatedly told ANC leaders to "watch out" and warned them about becoming too complacent after winning every election since 1994 with large majorities.

He indicated they could face the fate of Arab dictatorships.

"Well, Mubarak had a large majority. Gadhafi had a large majority," Tutu said, referring to toppled Arab leaders in Egypt and Libya. "One day we will start praying for the defeat of the ANC government. You are disgraceful."

Tutu accused the government of failing to side with "Tibetans who are being oppressed viciously by the Chinese." He also charged President Jacob Zuma with ignoring the contribution religious leaders made to toppling the white Nationalist Party.

"Hey, Mr. Zuma, you and your government don't represent me. I am warning you like I warned the Nationalists," he said, referring to the party that ruled during apartheid.
http://www.npr.org/2011/10/04/141052902/tutu-slams-anc-for-failing-to-grant-dalai-lama-visa

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 5th 2011, 05:31 AM
Klink soos 'n storm in 'n malkoppie.



Ek bedoel 'n teekoppie.

Johnny
Oct 5th 2011, 05:49 AM
Klink soos 'n storm in 'n malkoppie.



Ek bedoel 'n teekoppie.

....en dit kan 'n gevaarlike storm wees. Dit het net een ou gekos op twitter om 'n revolusie in Egipte te begin.

Philip dT
Oct 6th 2011, 01:47 PM
Het sopas Tutu se nuwe boek onder oŽ gehad: "God is not a Christian." Hy glo beslis nie Christus is die enigste weg, waarheid en lewe nie.

CFJ
Oct 6th 2011, 02:16 PM
Het sopas Tutu se nuwe boek onder oŽ gehad: "God is not a Christian." Hy glo beslis nie Christus is die enigste weg, waarheid en lewe nie.

'Tutu is not a Christian too', het iemand al daai boek gelees? Ek dink as mens net 'n bietjie oplet, kan mens geen ander afleiding maak nie en dit is so blatant, dat mens dit baie maklik kan sÍ.

CFJ
Oct 6th 2011, 02:18 PM
Vir so 'n klein mensie kan Zille darm 'n groot mond trek :D

Sy sing vir Elvis Blue, kyk daar in die kiekie, hy staan so skuins agter haar met die donker brille aan... :D


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45663000/jpg/_45663788_zille226i_ap.jpg

Ta-An
Oct 6th 2011, 08:44 PM
Sy sing vir Elvis Blue, kyk daar in die kiekie, hy staan so skuins agter haar met die donker brille aan... :D
Yeahhhhhhh,,,,, .

Johnny
Oct 7th 2011, 05:26 AM
'Tutu is not a Christian too', het iemand al daai boek gelees? Ek dink as mens net 'n bietjie oplet, kan mens geen ander afleiding maak nie en dit is so blatant, dat mens dit baie maklik kan sÍ.

Mmmm....kyk maar wie is sy vriende? Bono gaan Vrydag daar wees wanneer Tutu sy boek bekendstel.

http://www.businessday.co.za/toolpages/thumbnail.aspx?id=421151&type=img

Bono adds criticism to Dalai Lama ban


CAPE TOWN ó Irish rock star Bono yesterday criticised the governmentís handling of the Dalai Lamaís visa application, which saw the Tibetan spiritual leader cancel his planned visit to SA this week.
The African National Congress (ANC) governmentís bungling of the application ó seen by many as its kowtowing to China ó has drawn outrage across the world.
Bonoís criticism came just a day after it emerged Virgin Group boss Sir Richard Branson had written to the government, appealing for it to grant the Dalai Lama a visa.
The Dalai Lama was to attend the Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutuís birthday celebrations. The veteran anti-apartheid campaigner turns 80 today. The celebrations began yesterday with the launch of Tutu: The Authorised Portrait, a coffee table book tribute.

Bonoís criticism comes just a day after it emerged Virgin Group boss Sir Richard Branson had written to the government, appealing for it to grant the Dalai Lama a visa

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 7th 2011, 05:28 AM
Het sopas Tutu se nuwe boek onder oŽ gehad: "God is not a Christian." Hy glo beslis nie Christus is die enigste weg, waarheid en lewe nie.

As 'n mens dit way jy sÍ, en sy haat vir wit mense in ag neem, hoef mens seker nie te vreeslik te wonder of hy self 'n Christen is of nie.

Ta-An
Oct 7th 2011, 07:51 AM
As 'n mens dit way jy sÍ, en sy haat vir wit mense in ag neem, hoef mens seker nie te vreeslik te wonder of hy self 'n Christen is of nie. Laat mens ook wonder hoekom hy so graag die Dalai Lama hier wil hÍ?? :hmm:

CFJ
Oct 7th 2011, 08:11 AM
Yeahhhhhhh,,,,, .

Yeahh yeahh....

CFJ
Oct 7th 2011, 08:13 AM
Mmmm....kyk maar wie is sy vriende? Bono gaan Vrydag daar wees wanneer Tutu sy boek bekendstel.



Die spreekwoordelike wolf in skaapsklere en baie min ander het wat myself betref al so goed in daai pakkie gepas...

Johnny
Oct 7th 2011, 08:44 AM
Die spreekwoordelike wolf in skaapsklere en baie min ander het wat myself betref al so goed in daai pakkie gepas...

Hierdie vers spreek my baie aan:

1 Korinthiers 10:12 "Daarom, wie meen dat hy staan, moet oppas dat hy nie val nie."

CFJ
Oct 7th 2011, 09:08 AM
Hierdie vers spreek my baie aan:

1 Korinthiers 10:12 "Daarom, wie meen dat hy staan, moet oppas dat hy nie val nie."

Hier is nog een wat ook baie goed pas, soos 'n handskoen nie eers kan pas nie...

Maar pas op vir die valse profete wat in skaapsklere na julle kom en van binne roofsugtige wolwe is.
(Mat 7:15)

Johnny
Oct 7th 2011, 09:19 AM
Ons leef beslis in die laaste dae.

CFJ
Oct 7th 2011, 10:38 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1317756853/862/5734862.jpg

PLUS

http://www.writespirit.net/authors/dalai_lama/dalai-lama-01.jpg

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Johnny
Oct 7th 2011, 10:40 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1317756853/862/5734862.jpg

PLUS

http://www.writespirit.net/authors/dalai_lama/dalai-lama-01.jpg

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COOL! Nou is die vraag......wie is die skaap en wie is die wolf?

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 7th 2011, 10:41 AM
http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/wtf-pics-dial-a-llama.jpg

protea
Oct 7th 2011, 05:32 PM
Ek het nou nie juis tred gehou met die Dalai Lama se kom en gaan nie , maar hoekom word hy as n 'uitgewekene' bestempel? Wat het hy gemaak wat hy nie moes nie?

CFJ
Oct 7th 2011, 08:12 PM
Ek het nou nie juis tred gehou met die Dalai Lama se kom en gaan nie , maar hoekom word hy as n 'uitgewekene' bestempel? Wat het hy gemaak wat hy nie moes nie?

China is die groot probleem, want die Dalai Lama is van Tibet wat onder Chinese beheer is en per geleentheid het hy al gesinspeel daarop dat Tibet hul eie selfstandigheid moet terugkry, waarvan die Chinese nie hou nie en nou plaas hulle lyk dit my druk op die Suid-Afrikaanse regering om nie 'n visum aan die Dalai Lama (DL) te verskaf nie. Soos ek verstaan het die DL toe sy beplande besoek self afgestel...

protea
Oct 8th 2011, 07:08 AM
Dankie Ferdie. Ek weet van die hele visum debakel, maar hoekom word hy in sy eie land as uitgewekene bestempel? Wat het daar verkeerd geloop?

CFJ
Oct 8th 2011, 10:45 AM
Dankie Ferdie. Ek weet van die hele visum debakel, maar hoekom word hy in sy eie land as uitgewekene bestempel? Wat het daar verkeerd geloop?

Ek het nie 'n idee nie Mona, miskien weet iemand of mens kan bietjie gaan nalees en weer terugkom met iets.

Die Filadelfieer
Oct 10th 2011, 05:34 AM
Dankie Ferdie. Ek weet van die hele visum debakel, maar hoekom word hy in sy eie land as uitgewekene bestempel? Wat het daar verkeerd geloop?

As ek dit nou reg het is Tibet onder Chinese beheer. Die DL het gepoog om 'n revolusie daar te lei om van Chinese beheer ontslae te raak, wat uiteindelik gevaal het. Hy moes toe IndiŽ toe vlug want die Chinese was natuurlik nie te gelukkig met hom daaroor nie. :)

Johnny
Oct 10th 2011, 06:12 AM
TUTU
One of Sparks' main challenges was to find something new to say about the widely-publicized Desmond Tutu. "I was fascinated by the fact that he described the Dalai Lama as the holiest man he knew. Well, now the Dalai Lama is a Buddhist and this is a Christian. And when I began questioning him about this he came up with some startling things, like 'Of course, God is not a Christian', which coming from a prince of the church makes you sit up and take notice. He says Christianity is relatively new on the block. This man believes that all faiths are valid. What faith you belong to is an accident of birth and geography. I came up with a not-very-adequate description of him as an all-faith ecumenicist. And this is what I think lends him global importance."
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/f1/0ef0718048966e029529d5c2cc8d6636/Tutu---The-Authorised-Portrait-20111006

Video conference option for Dalai Lama
The Dalai Lama and Tutu "will engage in a moderated discussion on the topic, Peace and Compassion as Catalysts for Change. This is the topic that His Holiness was to have spoken on had he been allowed to enter South Africa by the authorities", the Peace Centre said in a statement.

"An empty chair on the stage will symbolise His Holiness' enforced absence."

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Video-conference-option-for-Dalai-Lama_9856975#ixzz1aMB16r9V

Daar is net een wat Heilig is.....en dit is GOD!

protea
Oct 13th 2011, 11:38 AM
As ek dit nou reg het is Tibet onder Chinese beheer. Die DL het gepoog om 'n revolusie daar te lei om van Chinese beheer ontslae te raak, wat uiteindelik gevaal het. Hy moes toe IndiŽ toe vlug want die Chinese was natuurlik nie te gelukkig met hom daaroor nie. :)

Dankie Fila! Ons kom nounet terug uit die Sederberge na n gesins reunie en ek sien jou antwoord nou raak. Nou is my vraag beantwoord. Wat so hartseer is , is die baie mense (o.a. Richard Gere) wat die Boedistiese 'geloof'/lewenswyse aanhang omdat dit n godsdiens is wat reels gehoorsaam en nie gefokus is op n verhouding met n Verlosser nie.