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jtaime2
Jan 10th 2013, 06:58 PM
Before calenders and names for the day of the week, how did they know which day was the 1st or the 7th? Hope this makes sense.

RabbiKnife
Jan 10th 2013, 07:34 PM
If they were in Cleveland, it must have been Tuesday...

:)

All I can say is, I hope Adam never forgot to mark a day off...

Otherwise, I think we have a 1 in 7 chance of being right, and a 6 in 7 chance of being wrong....

teddyv
Jan 10th 2013, 07:42 PM
Calendars have been around a long time. Ultimately the day someone said "this is ___day" was probably based on the first day of the lunar cycle. Weeks, I guess, were defined along the quarters of the lunar month.

Jollyrogers
Jan 11th 2013, 06:02 AM
Most early calendars were in sinc with the phases of the moon. Therefore i guess they would look at the moon :-)

Fenris
Jan 11th 2013, 10:55 AM
Well the sabbath as a day of rest was not introduced until the Jews were slaves in Egypt. Work six days, rest on the seventh. It was communal and not individual, so it seems easier to keep track of.

God's legacy
Jan 15th 2013, 06:30 AM
Well the sabbath as a day of rest was not introduced until the Jews were slaves in Egypt. Work six days, rest on the seventh. It was communal and not individual, so it seems easier to keep track of.

The Sabbath was created at the beginning of time-Gen 2:1-3

Abraham kept the commandments long before Mt. Sinai or the existence of the people known as the Jews- Gen 26:5

At Sinai the 4th commandment began with remember to keep it indicating everybody was already familiar with it.

All the ten commandments were in effect from Eden onward- At Sinai God codified them in stone to validate their existence

adampjr
Jan 15th 2013, 07:32 AM
I don't think its any big loss if it happens to be that the first sabbath that as recognized as a sabbath is out of sync. I somehow doubt it, it seems a rather easy thing to keep track of, but RK is correct about the chances if it's off.

God's legacy
Jan 16th 2013, 12:05 AM
God made the 7th day holy. Only God can make something holy. Man cannot.

According to God's calendar the 7th day has always been the Sabbath day.

Yes, man has modified calendars through history and has given the week days names after pagan gods in the Roman-Greco tradition-planets primarily. But the 7th day weekly cycle has remained intact.

The numbered days of the week have always remained in their proper order. With the name Sunday as being the 1st day of the week and Saturday as the 7th day.

The oracles of God were protected by God's people-Romans 3:1-2

Jesus confirmed during His ministry the Sabbath day He celebrated was the 7th day, the same one we call Saturday on our calendar.

Since mainstream churches celebrate Sunday which they acknowledge to be the 1st day of the week, that would make the previous day, the seventh day, as the biblical Sabbath.

God kept track of time for us so there would be no excuse for not worshiping on the proper day.

Marc B
Jan 19th 2013, 03:22 AM
God made the 7th day holy. Only God can make something holy. Man cannot.

According to God's calendar the 7th day has always been the Sabbath day.

Yes, man has modified calendars through history and has given the week days names after pagan gods in the Roman-Greco tradition-planets primarily. But the 7th day weekly cycle has remained intact.

The numbered days of the week have always remained in their proper order. With the name Sunday as being the 1st day of the week and Saturday as the 7th day.

The oracles of God were protected by God's people-Romans 3:1-2

Jesus confirmed during His ministry the Sabbath day He celebrated was the 7th day, the same one we call Saturday on our calendar.

Since mainstream churches celebrate Sunday which they acknowledge to be the 1st day of the week, that would make the previous day, the seventh day, as the biblical Sabbath.

God kept track of time for us so there would be no excuse for not worshiping on the proper day.


Which begs the question. Why do most professing Christian churches worship on Sunday instead of God's commanded Sabbath today?
Because some Roman council changed it and that makes it all right? I never found it written anywhere in the Bible where it says God changed His mind and said "we should worship Him on Sundays from now on".

Some will say "we should worship every day so the Sabbath doesn't really matter". Sure that's a nice sentiment but that's not what He commands us to do. It matters to God how and when to properly worship Him. If it didn't he wouldn't have set the 7th day apart from the rest of the week for Himself. Breaking the Sabbath is as much a sin as murder, adultery and stealing in His eyes since it is one of the 10 Commandments and carries the same penalty as the rest. It is meant to be a sign between you and Him. His mark [as opposed to the mark of the beast] is on you if you keep His Sabbaths. His seal is on you. You become His property. His election. In Mark 2:27-28 Jesus declared He was Lord of the Sabbath. If you are one of His shouldn't you be keeping His Sabbath instead of Emperor Constantine's day of rest as decreed at the council of Laodicea.

We are saved by the grace of Christ for our imperfection and shortcomings but that doesn't give us the freedom to sin. We are still held accountable for our actions, just to a higher standard than everyone else since we are His ambassadors on earth. Part of our calling is to be a good example to others. Living Jesus' perfect life in ourselves. Of course we all fall short but perfection is our goal. We are in training in our flesh bodies for the day of our salvation when we are changed and raised incorruptible. In the here and now we must grow in Holy righteous character, just as a child grows from infancy to maturity so must we grow from spiritual infancy and ignorance to maturity and wisdom.

Ezekiel 20:21-22
Exodus 31:13-17
Deuteronomy 11:18
Galatians 2:20
Hebrews 5:12-14
Hebrews 6:1-2
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
Romans 3:25-31

Vhayes
Jan 19th 2013, 04:40 AM
Which begs the question. Why do most professing Christian churches worship on Sunday instead of God's commanded Sabbath today?
Because some Roman council changed it and that makes it all right? I never found it written anywhere in the Bible where it says God changed His mind and said "we should worship Him on Sundays from now on".

Some will say "we should worship every day so the Sabbath doesn't really matter". Sure that's a nice sentiment but that's not what He commands us to do. It matters to God how and when to properly worship Him. If it didn't he wouldn't have set the 7th day apart from the rest of the week for Himself. Breaking the Sabbath is as much a sin as murder, adultery and stealing in His eyes since it is one of the 10 Commandments and carries the same penalty as the rest. It is meant to be a sign between you and Him. His mark [as opposed to the mark of the beast] is on you if you keep His Sabbaths. His seal is on you. You become His property. His election. In Mark 2:27-28 Jesus declared He was Lord of the Sabbath. If you are one of His shouldn't you be keeping His Sabbath instead of Emperor Constantine's day of rest as decreed at the council of Laodicea.

We are saved by the grace of Christ for our imperfection and shortcomings but that doesn't give us the freedom to sin. We are still held accountable for our actions, just to a higher standard than everyone else since we are His ambassadors on earth. Part of our calling is to be a good example to others. Living Jesus' perfect life in ourselves. Of course we all fall short but perfection is our goal. We are in training in our flesh bodies for the day of our salvation when we are changed and raised incorruptible. In the here and now we must grow in Holy righteous character, just as a child grows from infancy to maturity so must we grow from spiritual infancy and ignorance to maturity and wisdom.

Ezekiel 20:21-22
Exodus 31:13-17
Deuteronomy 11:18
Galatians 2:20
Hebrews 5:12-14
Hebrews 6:1-2
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
Romans 3:25-31

Which is why I rest (Sabbath) in the finished work of Christ. It is no longer a day, it is a way of life.

Hebrews 4
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

There's a reason these words were written to the Hebrews.

adampjr
Jan 19th 2013, 06:01 AM
Which begs the question. Why do most professing Christian churches worship on Sunday instead of God's commanded Sabbath today?
Because some Roman council changed it and that makes it all right? I never found it written anywhere in the Bible where it says God changed His mind and said "we should worship Him on Sundays from now on".

Some will say "we should worship every day so the Sabbath doesn't really matter". Sure that's a nice sentiment but that's not what He commands us to do. It matters to God how and when to properly worship Him. If it didn't he wouldn't have set the 7th day apart from the rest of the week for Himself. Breaking the Sabbath is as much a sin as murder, adultery and stealing in His eyes since it is one of the 10 Commandments and carries the same penalty as the rest. It is meant to be a sign between you and Him. His mark [as opposed to the mark of the beast] is on you if you keep His Sabbaths. His seal is on you. You become His property. His election. In Mark 2:27-28 Jesus declared He was Lord of the Sabbath. If you are one of His shouldn't you be keeping His Sabbath instead of Emperor Constantine's day of rest as decreed at the council of Laodicea.

We are saved by the grace of Christ for our imperfection and shortcomings but that doesn't give us the freedom to sin. We are still held accountable for our actions, just to a higher standard than everyone else since we are His ambassadors on earth. Part of our calling is to be a good example to others. Living Jesus' perfect life in ourselves. Of course we all fall short but perfection is our goal. We are in training in our flesh bodies for the day of our salvation when we are changed and raised incorruptible. In the here and now we must grow in Holy righteous character, just as a child grows from infancy to maturity so must we grow from spiritual infancy and ignorance to maturity and wisdom.

Ezekiel 20:21-22
Exodus 31:13-17
Deuteronomy 11:18
Galatians 2:20
Hebrews 5:12-14
Hebrews 6:1-2
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
Romans 3:25-31

Actually, the recognition of Sunday as the Lord's Day because of the resurrection preceeds Constantine by hundreds of years.