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HappyEndings
Oct 2nd 2013, 11:36 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Ok, I am trying to figure out why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2, sorry trying to learn so I am not the brighest in the knowledge of the bible but I am trying.:rolleyes:

Thank you,

Old man
Oct 2nd 2013, 11:50 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Ok, I am trying to figure out why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2, sorry trying to learn so I am not the brighest in the knowledge of the bible but I am trying.:rolleyes:

Thank you,

You will find many disagreements about these temples. My opinion is that the one mentioned in Ezekiel 40-48 is referring to a temple which will be built at the beginning of the millennium (1000 year reign of Christ) and the temple mentioned in Rev 11:1-2 is a temple which will be built under the direction of the "antichrist" which he will go into and proclaim himself to be god.

Be aware that this topic will probable start a major ......... ummmm ......... "discussion" yea that it, a discussion. ;)

David Taylor
Oct 3rd 2013, 12:57 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Ok, I am trying to figure out why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2, sorry trying to learn so I am not the brighest in the knowledge of the bible but I am trying.:rolleyes:

Thank you,

The Revelation 11 temple is the temple in Heaven.

Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

The Ezekeil Temple, was just a vision of a blueprint shown to Ezekiel while in captivity, of what an earthly rebuilt temple could have been like, following the Babylonian Captivity, if the children if Israel had been faithful and followed the Lord after they were released from exile. Since they were not, they ended up with a small, inferior temple (Zerubabbels and eventually Herods), that both were eventually destroyed and replaced with the final, everlasting temple made without hands, Jesus Christ and His people as living stones.

Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them."


Mark 14:58 "I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands."

Hebrews 9:11 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true"

I Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

HappyEndings
Oct 3rd 2013, 02:31 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


"Sorry, I can't go along with this The Revelation 11 temple is the temple in Heaven.

Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." :hmm:

Revelation 11:2 - Flat out states : for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (42 months) and to leave out the Gentiles - Why go in such detail for this temple if it isn't on the earth.

But like I said I am no bible expert either:(

Redeemed by Grace
Oct 3rd 2013, 02:49 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Ok, I am trying to figure out why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2, sorry trying to learn so I am not the brighest in the knowledge of the bible but I am trying.:rolleyes:

Thank you,


Hi HE,

You didn't offer much data, but for what you did offer I would tend to agree with your comments, for I see this part of Ezekiel as being yet future.

Old man
Oct 3rd 2013, 03:04 PM
But like I said I am no bible expert either:(
Maybe not, but I think you are correct about that aspect of the temple mentioned in that verse.


… Ok, I am trying to figure out why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2, sorry trying to learn so I am not the brighest in the knowledge of the bible but I am trying.:rolleyes:
Thank you,
You seem to have two different questions here in your OP.

why would Ezekiel 40-48 go in such detail on a new temple?
is this the same as for Revelation 11:1-2?

Although many believe that the temple mentioned in Ezek is a spiritual or conditional temple that would have been built if the Israelites could have gotten their act together; I think the level of detail and lack of conditional statement regarding it indicates that it is a literal temple which will be built. My opinion is it will be built as I said during the millennium. It is from this temple that Christ will reign over the nations.

There is a debate currently going on in the Arena Forum about whether there will actually be a 1000 year period after Christ returns and destroys the antichrist. Take a look if you have the time (the posts are rather long).

The temple mentioned in Rev 11 is the one in which the antichrist will enter to proclaim that he is God. Again I think it is a literal temple and is the one which many in Israel are now preparing the materials to be built when given the go ahead.

David Taylor
Oct 3rd 2013, 05:46 PM
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


"Sorry, I can't go along with this The Revelation 11 temple is the temple in Heaven.


There are droves and droves of Gentiles found within the Heavenly temple.

"I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

Besides, realize that the temple in Heaven isn't really a building, it is the Lord and His people.

When John was told to 'measure it', he wasn't really measuring a building, he was measuring or counting the people of God...the 'them that worship there'.

This was John making a clear statement that the true temple, the heavenly temple, the everlasting temple - Christ, was comprised of people, worshippers, not stone bricks, and those people now contained Gentile worshippers; showing the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile truly torn down, as Paul talked about in Ephesians 2.

This is the heavenly temple, and the only temple of God that there will ever be again. The days of the old stone temples ended when God destroyed Herod's temple long ago.

Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord"

Walls
Oct 3rd 2013, 08:49 PM
I go with those who say that the Temple of early Revelation 11 is a Temple that is rebuilt and which the Beast uses. Notice in Matthew 24 that the Abomination of Desolation predicted by Daniel has a "Holy Place" (v.15). This Temple will probably be built at around the beginning of the covenant between Israel and the Beast, and be desolated about 3 years later. This is the Temple of Revelation 11. The Beast, according to all evidence, will be a Gentile, so it is logical that the outer court will be trod by the Beast's adherents - Gentiles.

The Temple of Ezekiel is the Temple of the Millennium. you will notice that this Temple is radically different to the other three. The reason for this is that Christ is the fulfilment of the three things in the Holy Place, the Showbread Altar, the Lampstand and the Altar of Incense. Together with the fact that the Curtain dividing the Holy Place with the Holy of Holies was destroyed by Christ's death, there is no need for a Holy Place anymore. Thus Ezekiel's Temple is one big Holy of Holies with the Jews performing the rituals in the surrounding court for those who will be allowed to have audience with Jesus Christ (Zech.14:16).

One little point might help to understand all this. The Almighty God has chosen Jerusalem, of all cities of the earth, there to establish His throne. Satan knows this. Inwardly, many people of the earth, including Islam, know this. So the battle for the earth is always going to be about who gets Jerusalem. Rome has tried for centuries to get it, Islam have their third most revered Mosque there, the Jews claim it and the Christians all know that whoever gets Jerusalem in the end will get the earth. Scripture is full of this. So the bible always centres around Jerusalem when it comes to the rulership of the earth. That is why the Beast seeks it, and why Armageddon, the final battle of this age for it is just outside it. After 1'000 years of Christ's rule, the rebellion of Gog and Magog is again for Jerusalem (Ezekiel Chapter 38; Rev.20:8-9).

HappyEndings
Oct 3rd 2013, 09:47 PM
David Taylor, I am sorry but I can't read your post with so much red font it is really very hard for me to read. I am leaning to what the other two posters have said.



Thank you all for your fast replies!!!:saint:

Redeemed by Grace
Oct 4th 2013, 10:59 AM
I go with those who say that the Temple of early Revelation 11 is a Temple that is rebuilt and which the Beast uses. Notice in Matthew 24 that the Abomination of Desolation predicted by Daniel has a "Holy Place" (v.15). This Temple will probably be built at around the beginning of the covenant between Israel and the Beast, and be desolated about 3 years later. This is the Temple of Revelation 11. The Beast, according to all evidence, will be a Gentile, so it is logical that the outer court will be trod by the Beast's adherents - Gentiles.

The Temple of Ezekiel is the Temple of the Millennium. you will notice that this Temple is radically different to the other three. The reason for this is that Christ is the fulfilment of the three things in the Holy Place, the Showbread Altar, the Lampstand and the Altar of Incense. Together with the fact that the Curtain dividing the Holy Place with the Holy of Holies was destroyed by Christ's death, there is no need for a Holy Place anymore. Thus Ezekiel's Temple is one big Holy of Holies with the Jews performing the rituals in the surrounding court for those who will be allowed to have audience with Jesus Christ (Zech.14:16).

One little point might help to understand all this. The Almighty God has chosen Jerusalem, of all cities of the earth, there to establish His throne. Satan knows this. Inwardly, many people of the earth, including Islam, know this. So the battle for the earth is always going to be about who gets Jerusalem. Rome has tried for centuries to get it, Islam have their third most revered Mosque there, the Jews claim it and the Christians all know that whoever gets Jerusalem in the end will get the earth. Scripture is full of this. So the bible always centres around Jerusalem when it comes to the rulership of the earth. That is why the Beast seeks it, and why Armageddon, the final battle of this age for it is just outside it. After 1'000 years of Christ's rule, the rebellion of Gog and Magog is again for Jerusalem (Ezekiel Chapter 38; Rev.20:8-9).

You've caught my interest and attention with this post, for it has very similar logic to what I have been seeing as I study. Thanks

shepherdsword
Oct 4th 2013, 11:02 AM
Be aware that this topic will probable start a major ......... ummmm ......... "discussion" yea that it, a discussion. ;)

:lol:...yeah,that's it, a discussion ;)

MaryFreeman
Oct 5th 2013, 05:55 AM
:lol:...yeah,that's it, a discussion ;)
A rather.... UH.... Passionate one.... Yeah that's it.... Passionate....:rofl:

ewq1938
Oct 5th 2013, 06:14 AM
This is an examination of the “Millennium Chapters” of Ezekiel to compare them to what is known about the post 7th trump 1,000 year period known as the “Millennium” to see if the two are speaking of the same time period.

No where in this vision are we told it is prophecy, nor is any mention of a 1,000 period of time spoken of. It is simply named a vision, one that was to be told to the house of Israel so that they could compare it to the way they were living and "measure the pattern" just like a plumbline that you would compare something to.

We will be looking at verses from Ezekiel that do not match what we know about the Millennium period.


-Animal Sacrifices, blood sin offerings, burnt offerings

None of these things are acceptable by God according to NT scripture:


Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Those things are done away with forever and will not be a part of the Millennium. The following are verses in Ezekiel that show animal sacrifices, blood sin offerings from animals, burnt offerrings marriage and child birth...all things that will not be in the literal Millennium.



Ezekiel 43:18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
Ezekiel 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 43:20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
Ezekiel 43:21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
Ezekiel 43:22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
Ezekiel 43:23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:24 And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 43:25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
Ezekiel 43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.


Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:


Ezekiel 44:29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
Ezekiel 44:30 And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.
Ezekiel 44:31 The priests shall not eat of any thing that is dead of itself, or torn, whether it be fowl or beast.


Ezekiel 45:14 Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:
Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 45:16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.
Ezekiel 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
Ezekiel 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.
Ezekiel 45:20 And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
Ezekiel 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:24 And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah.
Ezekiel 45:25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.


Ezekiel 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:5 And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:7 And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

Ezekiel 46:11 And in the feasts and in the solemnities the meat offering shall be an ephah to a bullock, and an ephah to a ram, and to the lambs as he is able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.
Ezekiel 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.
Ezekiel 46:14 And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 46:15 Thus shall they prepare the lamb, and the meat offering, and the oil, every morning for a continual burnt offering.

Ezekiel 46:20 Then said he unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people.
Ezekiel 46:21 Then he brought me forth into the utter court, and caused me to pass by the four corners of the court; and, behold, in every corner of the court there was a court.
Ezekiel 46:22 In the four corners of the court there were courts joined of forty cubits long and thirty broad: these four corners were of one measure.
Ezekiel 46:23 And there was a row of building round about in them, round about them four, and it was made with boiling places under the rows round about.
Ezekiel 46:24 Then said he unto me, These are the places of them that boil, where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifice of the people.




-There shall not be sexual relationships, or marriages in the Millennium since human flesh, and the need of procreation is no longer relevant in the Millennium period. Neither shall Priests die to leave their wives as widows.


Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.


-Children will not be born in the Millennium period.

Ezekiel 47:21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.



-The prince

Many have suspected that this prince (no cap on the p) might literally be Jesus Christ.



Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.

I have mentioned this before, that I find it impossible for this prince to be Christ since this prince also partakes in the sin offering for himself, his own sins.



Exodus 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.

Exodus 30:10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 4:3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.

A sin offering was indeed for atonement of sin.



Ezekiel 46:16 Thus saith the Lord GOD; If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons'; it shall be their possession by inheritance.
Ezekiel 46:17 But if he give a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then it shall be his to the year of liberty; after it shall return to the prince: but his inheritance shall be his sons' for them.
Ezekiel 46:18 Moreover the prince shall not take of the people's inheritance by oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not scattered every man from his possession.

Furthermore, this prince has sons. One can make a weak argument that these are spiritual sons but I think in context its pretty clear this human prince has human sons.


These things and the other scriptures that mention this prince lead me to conclude that he is a human man, a prince/ruler of Israel whether real or simply one in a vision. The vision shows us a human prince, a sinner in need of atonement, a man who has literal male heirs.

I might also add that the Hebrew word for prince is never translated as king. I think we all know that during the Millennium we will have the King of Kings present.

Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.


This is the reason of the vision. It is for Israel to compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desires of them. God has always instructed Israel in the right way to live and serve Him, yet Israel usually failed to adhere to God's wishes.


Ezekiel 43:11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

The vision was merely setting a standard whereby the Israelites of the time were to know how everything was supposed to work, and they were to "do them" according to how things were laid out in the vision. The vision was not a look into the future, it was what God wanted from that current day Israel. They were not able to meet God's requirements and never carried forth their lives as God wanted.

So, despite popular belief, the 40+ chapters of Ezekiel are not the Millennium, and are not of the eternity. It was a vision of how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant and how to worship Him rather than how they had been doing it. It was a "plumb line" that was meant to be used as a guide. It was not prophecy. Whether or not the Israelites ever came to a point where they lived according to the pattern set in the vision I do not know but from Israel's history it is very unlikely.

However, there is a Millennium coming.

Christ will be the King, there will be no prince ruling. I do not know if there will be a Millennial temple or not. There is no literal temple in the eternity so I tend to doubt one will be built for the Millennium.


There will be no animal sacrifices, or blood rituals, or burnt offerings of any kind. Those are done away with by Christ.

This is an examination of the “Millennium Chapters” of Ezekiel to compare them to what is known about the post 7th trump 1,000 year period known as the “Millennium” to see if the two are speaking of the same time period.

No where in this vision are we told it is prophecy, nor is any mention of a 1,000 period of time spoken of. It is simply named a vision, one that was to be told to the house of Israel so that they could compare it to the way they were living and "measure the pattern" just like a plumbline that you would compare something to.

We will be looking at verses from Ezekiel that do not match what we know about the Millennium period.


-Animal Sacrifices, blood sin offerings, burnt offerings

None of these things are acceptable by God according to NT scripture:


Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Those things are done away with forever and will not be a part of the Millennium. The following are verses in Ezekiel that show animal sacrifices, blood sin offerings from animals, burnt offerrings marriage and child birth...all things that will not be in the literal Millennium.



Ezekiel 43:18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
Ezekiel 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 43:20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
Ezekiel 43:21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
Ezekiel 43:22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
Ezekiel 43:23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:24 And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 43:25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
Ezekiel 43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.


Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:


Ezekiel 44:29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
Ezekiel 44:30 And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.
Ezekiel 44:31 The priests shall not eat of any thing that is dead of itself, or torn, whether it be fowl or beast.


Ezekiel 45:14 Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:
Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 45:16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.
Ezekiel 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
Ezekiel 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.
Ezekiel 45:20 And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
Ezekiel 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:24 And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah.
Ezekiel 45:25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.


Ezekiel 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:5 And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:7 And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

Ezekiel 46:11 And in the feasts and in the solemnities the meat offering shall be an ephah to a bullock, and an ephah to a ram, and to the lambs as he is able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.
Ezekiel 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.
Ezekiel 46:14 And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 46:15 Thus shall they prepare the lamb, and the meat offering, and the oil, every morning for a continual burnt offering.

Ezekiel 46:20 Then said he unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people.
Ezekiel 46:21 Then he brought me forth into the utter court, and caused me to pass by the four corners of the court; and, behold, in every corner of the court there was a court.
Ezekiel 46:22 In the four corners of the court there were courts joined of forty cubits long and thirty broad: these four corners were of one measure.
Ezekiel 46:23 And there was a row of building round about in them, round about them four, and it was made with boiling places under the rows round about.
Ezekiel 46:24 Then said he unto me, These are the places of them that boil, where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifice of the people.




-There shall not be sexual relationships, or marriages in the Millennium since human flesh, and the need of procreation is no longer relevant in the Millennium period. Neither shall Priests die to leave their wives as widows.


Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.


-Children will not be born in the Millennium period.

Ezekiel 47:21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.



-The prince

Many have suspected that this prince (no cap on the p) might literally be Jesus Christ.



Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.

I have mentioned this before, that I find it impossible for this prince to be Christ since this prince also partakes in the sin offering for himself, his own sins.



Exodus 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.

Exodus 30:10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 4:3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.

A sin offering was indeed for atonement of sin.



Ezekiel 46:16 Thus saith the Lord GOD; If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons'; it shall be their possession by inheritance.
Ezekiel 46:17 But if he give a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then it shall be his to the year of liberty; after it shall return to the prince: but his inheritance shall be his sons' for them.
Ezekiel 46:18 Moreover the prince shall not take of the people's inheritance by oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not scattered every man from his possession.

Furthermore, this prince has sons. One can make a weak argument that these are spiritual sons but I think in context its pretty clear this human prince has human sons.


These things and the other scriptures that mention this prince lead me to conclude that he is a human man, a prince/ruler of Israel whether real or simply one in a vision. The vision shows us a human prince, a sinner in need of atonement, a man who has literal male heirs.

I might also add that the Hebrew word for prince is never translated as king. I think we all know that during the Millennium we will have the King of Kings present.

Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.


This is the reason of the vision. It is for Israel to compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desires of them. God has always instructed Israel in the right way to live and serve Him, yet Israel usually failed to adhere to God's wishes.


Ezekiel 43:11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

The vision was merely setting a standard whereby the Israelites of the time were to know how everything was supposed to work, and they were to "do them" according to how things were laid out in the vision. The vision was not a look into the future, it was what God wanted from that current day Israel. They were not able to meet God's requirements and never carried forth their lives as God wanted.

So, despite popular belief, the 40+ chapters of Ezekiel are not the Millennium, and are not of the eternity. It was a vision of how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant and how to worship Him rather than how they had been doing it. It was a "plumb line" that was meant to be used as a guide. It was not prophecy. Whether or not the Israelites ever came to a point where they lived according to the pattern set in the vision I do not know but from Israel's history it is very unlikely.

However, there is a Millennium coming.

Christ will be the King, there will be no prince ruling. I do not know if there will be a Millennial temple or not. There is no literal temple in the eternity so I tend to doubt one will be built for the Millennium.


There will be no animal sacrifices, or blood rituals, or burnt offerings of any kind. Those are done away with by Christ.

HappyEndings
Oct 5th 2013, 06:24 AM
Ok, let me get this straight sorry I thought I had it. There will be a Tribulation Temple and a Millennial Temple two(2) separate Temples correct?

The Tribulation Temple will be Rev 11:1-2
Revelation: 11:1-2 (KJV)
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

But I don't see where this Temple would be destoryed only the Anti Christ will set in it.:confused

Millennial Temple = Revelation 20

Ezekiel 43:4 (The Lord Among His People)
4 And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

Ezekiel 44:3 (Outer East Gate)states
3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

So where does it state the the Millennial Temple will not be the same one as the one in Rev 11:1-2---Sorry, I am probably over thinking this. :(

ewq1938
Oct 5th 2013, 06:27 AM
Ok, let me get this straight sorry I thought I had it. There will be a Tribulation Temple and a Millennial Temple two(2) separate Temples correct?

no






Millennial Temple = Revelation 20

Ezekiel 43:4 (The Lord Among His People)
4 And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

Ezekiel 44:3 (Outer East Gate)states
3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

So where does it state the the Millennial Temple will not be the same one as the one in Rev 11:1-2---Sorry, I am probably over thinking this. :(



Those chapters are not the mill.


Ok, let me get this straight sorry I thought I had it. There will be a Tribulation Temple and a Millennial Temple two(2) separate Temples correct?

no






Millennial Temple = Revelation 20

Ezekiel 43:4 (The Lord Among His People)
4 And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

Ezekiel 44:3 (Outer East Gate)states
3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

So where does it state the the Millennial Temple will not be the same one as the one in Rev 11:1-2---Sorry, I am probably over thinking this. :(



Those chapters are not the mill.

HappyEndings
Oct 5th 2013, 05:50 PM
Ok, got to thinking again there will be only 3 temples---the one in Rev 11:1-2 has to be Rev 20 because the detail described in Ezekiel 40-48 is really explaining how to build etc. Also, the Lord does things using numbers ie: 3rd day Jesus rose from the dead.

Can someone give a verse or something to show that the temple in Rev 11:1-2 will not be used for Christ after the Anti-Christ was there please?:hmm:

As for the above poster thanks for nothing it would have been nice if you had explain instead of just stating no.:confused

MaryFreeman
Oct 5th 2013, 06:19 PM
Ok, got to thinking again there will be only 3 temples---the one in Rev 11:1-2 has to be Rev 20 because the detail described in Ezekiel 40-48 is really explaining how to build etc. Also, the Lord does things using numbers ie: 3rd day Jesus rose from the dead.

Can someone give a verse or something to show that the temple in Rev 11:1-2 will not be used for Christ after the Anti-Christ was there please?:hmm:

As for the above poster thanks for nothing it would have been nice if you had explain instead of just stating no.:confused
Wee bit sharp love....

Did you read post 13? I think ewq did a really good job there with answers for you....

Balabusha
Oct 5th 2013, 07:36 PM
The interpretation of a third or fourth temple is more the product of a predetermined outcome and then projecting everything into the future-neutering the message to the intended audience. The temples of Isaiah and Ezekiel are words of encouragement to people living in exile, and in these are some real knee bending Messianic prophesies, that go unnoticed because everyone is looking at them with a "the world revolves around me" mindset.
The Atonement is important to all Christians, but most people want to redefine the passages that point to His first coming because they take it for granted and want more from the scriptures

Walls
Oct 6th 2013, 12:40 PM
Posted by ewg1938 in posting #13

This is an examination of the “Millennium Chapters” of Ezekiel to compare them to what is known about the post 7th trump 1,000 year period known as the “Millennium” to see if the two are speaking of the same time period.

No where in this vision are we told it is prophecy, nor is any mention of a 1,000 period of time spoken of. It is simply named a vision, one that was to be told to the house of Israel so that they could compare it to the way they were living and "measure the pattern" just like a plumbline that you would compare something to.

We will be looking at verses from Ezekiel that do not match what we know about the Millennium period.


-Animal Sacrifices, blood sin offerings, burnt offerings

None of these things are acceptable by God according to NT scripture:

.....

When our Lord returns and the Kingdom is inaugurated, the Lord's Table is abolished for Christians but the Passover is re-instituted (1st Cor.11:26; Matt.26:29; Lk.22:15). Thus, without any doubt, the lamb of the Passover will be slaughtered after the Lord's return.

As to the sacrifices you mentioned in the rest of your posting, it is true that they cannot take away sins (Heb.10:4). But they had a dual function. The second function was the cleansing of the flesh (Heb.9:13). During the Millennium, three peoples will go up to Jerusalem to have audience with the King of kings. (1) The Jews who live in and around Jerusalem. (2) The kings of the earth who must be Christian Overcomers. (3) The Gentiles (Zech.14:16-17).

Of these three peoples, only ONE took the death of Christ to be their substitute - the Christians. Added to this, the resurrection bodies of the Christians will be different to those who rejected Christ (1st Cor 15:35-49; 1st Jn.3:2). The bodies of the Jews who survive the Great Tribulation AND the bodies of the Gentiles who survive the Great Tribulation will NOT HAVE BEEN CLEANSED, as they rejected Christ. So animal sacrifices will be needed to cleanse their FLESH, not their sins, for audience with Christ, King of kings.

Thus, Ezekiel's Chapters on the Temple and sacrifices very much deals with the Millennial Temple, the rituals of cleansing and the priesthood for this.

ewq1938
Oct 6th 2013, 09:39 PM
When our Lord returns and the Kingdom is inaugurated, the Lord's Table is abolished for Christians but the Passover is re-instituted (1st Cor.11:26; Matt.26:29; Lk.22:15).

1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Obviously unrelated to animal sacrifices.

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Obviously unrelated to animal sacrifices.


Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.


This doesn't prove animal sacrifices will continue in the Mill. or eternity. It simply says Christ will eat of it again.






Thus, without any doubt, the lamb of the Passover will be slaughtered after the Lord's return.


No animal sacrifices ended when the first covenant ended. It will never be re-instituted



So animal sacrifices will be needed to cleanse their FLESH, not their sins, for audience with Christ, King of kings.

Incorrect.




Thus, Ezekiel's Chapters on the Temple and sacrifices very much deals with the Millennial Temple, the rituals of cleansing and the priesthood for this.

No, has nothing to do with any part of the Millennium.


When our Lord returns and the Kingdom is inaugurated, the Lord's Table is abolished for Christians but the Passover is re-instituted (1st Cor.11:26; Matt.26:29; Lk.22:15).

1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Obviously unrelated to animal sacrifices.

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Obviously unrelated to animal sacrifices.


Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.


This doesn't prove animal sacrifices will continue in the Mill. or eternity. It simply says Christ will eat of it again.






Thus, without any doubt, the lamb of the Passover will be slaughtered after the Lord's return.


No animal sacrifices ended when the first covenant ended. It will never be re-instituted



So animal sacrifices will be needed to cleanse their FLESH, not their sins, for audience with Christ, King of kings.

Incorrect.




Thus, Ezekiel's Chapters on the Temple and sacrifices very much deals with the Millennial Temple, the rituals of cleansing and the priesthood for this.

No, has nothing to do with any part of the Millennium.

Walls
Oct 7th 2013, 02:06 AM
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No animal sacrifices ended when the first covenant ended. It will never be re-instituted


Our Lord "ate" the Passover with His disciples (Lk.22:15). This is the Law of Passover.

Exodus 12:3-14
"Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying:“On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. .... And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire—its head with its legs and its entrails. You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. And thus you shall eat it:with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord's Passover. ....... So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance."

As the prophets predicted more and many children for the Israelites during the Millennium, the "generations" continue, and I dare say that "everlasting" means everlasting.

As we see in Ezekiel, the old Priesthood is re-established for the Jews. It is only void for a Hebrew who has embraced Christ (Heb.7:11-19). Those who did not embrace Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, can never be translated into the privileges of a believer - not even in eternity future.

ewq1938
Oct 7th 2013, 02:37 AM
Our Lord "ate" the Passover with His disciples (Lk.22:15).

Everyone knows that already.


This is the Law of Passover.

Former law no longer in existence.




Exodus 12:3-14
"Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying:“On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. .... And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire—its head with its legs and its entrails. You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. And thus you shall eat it:with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord's Passover. ....... So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance."

As the prophets predicted more and many children for the Israelites during the Millennium, the "generations" continue, and I dare say that "everlasting" means everlasting.

The new covenant eradicated that. What good is it to read the weather forecasts from 50 years ago when you can read ones that came out today? Point is you are going by things newer writings have nullified. Quoting exodus on this matter doesn't support your belief at all.




As we see in Ezekiel, the old Priesthood is re-established for the Jews.

Nope.


Our Lord "ate" the Passover with His disciples (Lk.22:15).

Everyone knows that already.


This is the Law of Passover.

Former law no longer in existence.




Exodus 12:3-14
"Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying:“On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. .... And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire—its head with its legs and its entrails. You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. And thus you shall eat it:with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord's Passover. ....... So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance."

As the prophets predicted more and many children for the Israelites during the Millennium, the "generations" continue, and I dare say that "everlasting" means everlasting.

The new covenant eradicated that. What good is it to read the weather forecasts from 50 years ago when you can read ones that came out today? Point is you are going by things newer writings have nullified. Quoting exodus on this matter doesn't support your belief at all.




As we see in Ezekiel, the old Priesthood is re-established for the Jews.

Nope.

Kagiso
Oct 7th 2013, 06:25 AM
I Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"


Genisis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters....
The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters... before God made man... So man was made to host The Spirit of God ... That is God's ultimate purpose

sooninzion
Oct 7th 2013, 06:46 AM
Genisis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters....
The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters... before God made man... So man was made to host The Spirit of God ... That is God's ultimate purpose


God's 'ultimate purpose' may be interpreted from the Bible as 'CONFERRING A KINGDOM' of 'OBEDIENT SUBJECTS' unlike the host of Angels where rebellion was found. The mystery behind creation of MAN and subjecting him to evil itself explains the greater motive. So the Kingdom will have subjects who have chosen to accept the Lord as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

The Lord God expects that there would be no further rebellion!!!

Walls
Oct 7th 2013, 11:46 AM
Everyone knows that already.



Former law no longer in existence.




The new covenant eradicated that. What good is it to read the weather forecasts from 50 years ago when you can read ones that came out today? Point is you are going by things newer writings have nullified. Quoting exodus on this matter doesn't support your belief at all.





Nope.



Thank you for your answer. I understand that;

The "Memorial" of the Passover is instituted as an "everlasting" one BEFORE the covenant of Sinai. It is given in Egypt, not at Horeb.
It is the first COVENANT that is replaced, not the Laws. The New Covenant is a NEW Covenant, not new Laws (Jer.31, Heb.8). In the New Covenant God will write existing Laws on hearts, not tables of stone.
The Law is abolished for those who are justified by faith, not those who are in unbelief.
The Laws cannot pass until heaven and earth pass - that is, after the Millennium.

Thus, we can expect Israel in the Millennium to function almost exactly like they did of old. Only the structure of the Temple, in which our Lord, Emmanuel, lives, is different.

sooninzion
Oct 7th 2013, 12:55 PM
Let me add my bit too...


While we debate the 'everlasting' aspect of the covenant; we must keep in mind all the covenants the Lord has ever established from time to time have all been 'everlasting'. However whenever a new covenant is established 'everlasting' the Old gives way to the New. For the sheer reason that too many covenants will not be at work at the same time.

Therefore with the advent of the Millennium Reign; there will come a new covenant too. This new Covenant has been spelt out in Isaiah 59:21 and Jeremiah 31:31-32. From that time on this New Covenant will hold fort(h) everlasting!

I would wait till this covenant is established in order to decide conclusively how to observe Sabbaths, Sacrifices(?), Festivals and Celebrations. Things will change drastically; that nothing of what we know 'canonical' will hold good in the Kingdom of God. We must be ready to accept New Wine in renewed Wineskins.

Walls
Oct 7th 2013, 03:03 PM
Let me add my bit too...


While we debate the 'everlasting' aspect of the covenant; we must keep in mind all the covenants the Lord has ever established from time to time have all been 'everlasting'. However whenever a new covenant is established 'everlasting' the Old gives way to the New. For the sheer reason that too many covenants will not be at work at the same time.

Therefore with the advent of the Millennium Reign; there will come a new covenant too. This new Covenant has been spelt out in Isaiah 59:21 and Jeremiah 31:31-32. From that time on this New Covenant will hold fort(h) everlasting!

I would wait till this covenant is established in order to decide conclusively how to observe Sabbaths, Sacrifices(?), Festivals and Celebrations. Things will change drastically; that nothing of what we know 'canonical' will hold good in the Kingdom of God. We must be ready to accept New Wine in renewed Wineskins.

Yes. Most of what you say is correct. It is just that the thread is about the Ezekiel's Temple and the resulting posters are divided as to whether it is a literal Temple or not, and when, if at all, it is built. The main stumbling block to those who have it as NOT literal is the renewed priesthood and offerings. I am showing that there are no objections in scripture to a literal Temple of this design after Christ's return, and I am showing that far from it being objectionable, the Levitical priesthood and animal offerings are deeply necessary. In the course of this discussion I have not alluded to any covenant that was "everlasting" but which would be replaced. You will of course agree with me that there is not one single one. The only covenant that is replaced is that of Sinai, and to the best of my knowledge it was never declared "everlasting" anywhere in scripture. Thus, it's replacement in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is absolutely in accordance with scripture, as scripture declares Israel to have broken it, and thus it has waxed old and about to disappear (Heb.8:13).

The Passover is not part of Sinai's Covenant. It is a "Memorial" given in Egypt, and The Lord will feast it again in the Millennium.

sooninzion
Oct 7th 2013, 03:28 PM
Yes. Most of what you say is correct. It is just that the thread is about the Ezekiel's Temple and the resulting posters are divided as to whether it is a literal Temple or not, and when, if at all, it is built. The main stumbling block to those who have it as NOT literal is the renewed priesthood and offerings. I am showing that there are no objections in scripture to a literal Temple of this design after Christ's return, and I am showing that far from it being objectionable, the Levitical priesthood and animal offerings are deeply necessary. In the course of this discussion I have not alluded to any covenant that was "everlasting" but which would be replaced. You will of course agree with me that there is not one single one. The only covenant that is replaced is that of Sinai, and to the best of my knowledge it was never declared "everlasting" anywhere in scripture. Thus, it's replacement in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is absolutely in accordance with scripture, as scripture declares Israel to have broken it, and thus it has waxed old and about to disappear (Heb.8:13).

The Passover is not part of Sinai's Covenant. It is a "Memorial" given in Egypt, and The Lord will feast it again in the Millennium.

I was neither for nor against the content of the thread. I am liking the debate. keep on going. It is the audience who gather the right message; not the participants.

About the Temple I have no doubt that there will be one as prophesied by Ezekiel. However I think it will be more glorious than the one Ezekiel explains bcos it is going to be the delight of the Earth for 1000 years. Therefore I would want to believe that this one will not be 'Man-made'. This one should be a miniature version of 'The New Jerusalem' where 'The Ark of the Covenant' (same Ark of the OT) is kept preserved by the Lord himself to the surprise of 'many' of us.

Walls
Oct 7th 2013, 04:04 PM
I was neither for nor against the content of the thread. I am liking the debate. keep on going. It is the audience who gather the right message; not the participants.

About the Temple I have no doubt that there will be one as prophesied by Ezekiel. However I think it will be more glorious than the one Ezekiel explains bcos it is going to be the delight of the Earth for 1000 years. Therefore I would want to believe that this one will not be 'Man-made'. This one should be a miniature version of 'The New Jerusalem' where 'The Ark of the Covenant' (same Ark of the OT) is kept preserved by the Lord himself to the surprise of 'many' of us.

AMEN to all of that.

You have broached a little appreciated point. Ezekiel's Temple is a Forerunner of New Jerusalem. Because all problems are not fully taken care of by the advent of the Millennium, there are addtional appendages to Ezekiel's Temple, like the Gizrah and the Priest's quarters. But New Jerusalem, consummated when all problems have been dealt with, is a perfect cube without appendages, the shape of the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle and all the Temples.

That Ezekiel's Temple will be glorious I have no doubt. The Millennium is Christ's vindication by the Father before all men. The Father will hold nothing back. Solomon's Temple, reign, wisdom and clothing will fade into insignificance before what our Lord Jesus will show openly.