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SecondGenesis
Oct 18th 2013, 08:42 PM
Acts, Chapter 2

44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Aviyah
Oct 18th 2013, 09:15 PM
Well, technically the everyday family is communist but we don't think of it that way either. If we're a family in Christ, we aren't thinking about ourselves!

episkopos
Oct 18th 2013, 09:20 PM
Acts, Chapter 2

44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

It is kingdom life.

keck553
Oct 18th 2013, 09:31 PM
Acts, Chapter 2

44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

No, it was a survival tactic of a community of people exclusively of Bet Yeshua who were disenfranchised from society because of their Messianic faith. Nothing more, nothing less. It is a partial fullfillent of one of the "near-far" prophecys in Revelation, the fullness is yet to come.

Reynolds357
Oct 18th 2013, 09:34 PM
Acts, Chapter 2

44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

It is a communal social structure. It is not communism as we now define it after its Marx/Stalin influences.

Francis Drake
Oct 18th 2013, 11:07 PM
Acts, Chapter 2

44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

This is definitely not communism as defined by modern political doctrine, ie. Karl Marx, Lenin, the French revolutionaries, Castro, Obama, etc.

The primary difference is that the early church did it because of love. They exercised their freewill.

In contrast, the modern communists do it by force, usually at the point of a gun. Freewill is denied.

Communism is about forcibly removing property from one group of people and giving it to others. You will find absolutely nothing like that in the early church. In fact Peter makes it clear to Ananias that whatever he chose to do with his possessions was always his own freewill choice. There was no compulsion on anyone to participate in the distribution of the wealth in the early church, which, as has already been said was under great persecution at that time.

People seem to be constantly trying to justify both Socialism and Communism from scripture. In fact the entire opposite is true, in that ownership of personal property and personal responsibility in life were the primary states of being called for in scripture.

Boo
Oct 19th 2013, 10:49 AM
Despite the picture given and the opinions people have of government mandates, it all revolves around the heart.

If people want all their money to go to a central agency for dispersal, they have the option of sending their money to whoever collects monies for redistribution.

If people want their money to go to feed the actual hungry who cannot feed themselves, they should be able to do it.

If people want to sell their possessions and use the money to provide for the homeless, they should be able to do it.

If people want to give their houses to someone, they should be able to do that.

All of these are a heart desire, not a government mandate.

Because of government mandate, we don't have as much money to give to the hungry, the poor, or the homeless. If you really want to see how wonderful your government is, try giving your house to someone. Let the receiver discover what his tax bill is from receiving the house!

The difference between government communism and "Christian Communism" is the heart. Where there is no heart, there is law and penalty. Where there is heart, there is no resentment, no strife, and no waste of funds.

episkopos
Oct 19th 2013, 03:17 PM
People seem to be constantly trying to justify both Socialism and Communism from scripture. In fact the entire opposite is true, in that ownership of personal property and personal responsibility in life were the primary states of being called for in scripture.

Jesus Christ does not support one worldly system over the other. But He does call us to forsake all we have. That is the right way to use what we have. This is a great stumblingblock to the majority. But Jesus Christ IS the rock of offense that we have such a hard time obeying. Only those who love Christ more than their own lives will consider being obedient to God in Christ.

grams
Oct 19th 2013, 03:33 PM
:hug:


In these days, having communion is having a meal with family ~ or brothers and sisters in the LORD.




:pp

Boo
Oct 20th 2013, 09:35 AM
Jesus Christ does not support one worldly system over the other. But He does call us to forsake all we have. That is the right way to use what we have. This is a great stumblingblock to the majority. But Jesus Christ IS the rock of offense that we have such a hard time obeying. Only those who love Christ more than their own lives will consider being obedient to God in Christ.

We use what we earn to support our families. We also lay aside things to provide security for our future.

Government's job is the provide an environment where we can do that. It is to provide security for us to live in peace, earn, and provide for our families.

Somebody, at some time in the last hundred years, seemed to convince people that government's job is to support us. It was not created for that.

However, it is what we have, and we must be obedient to it. Until we can collectively change it, we are stuck.

We can be happy regardless of the government we have, but we don't have to be happy with our government.

episkopos
Oct 20th 2013, 06:02 PM
We use what we earn to support our families. We also lay aside things to provide security for our future.

Government's job is the provide an environment where we can do that. It is to provide security for us to live in peace, earn, and provide for our families.

Somebody, at some time in the last hundred years, seemed to convince people that government's job is to support us. It was not created for that.

However, it is what we have, and we must be obedient to it. Until we can collectively change it, we are stuck.

We can be happy regardless of the government we have, but we don't have to be happy with our government.

But we are not to be sheep of the country we live in but the flock of Jesus Christ. So we are responsible for seeing that the kingdom of God is manifest on the earth. That is why we are born again...we are to bear witness with our lives of the new creation. We are supposed to be showing the world and the principalities what walking in resurrection life is about. That is the witness of the coming kingdom of God.


But almost all believers are unwilling to live in a way that compromises their own rights and freedoms. So much for Jesus Christ and His mission...

Boo
Oct 20th 2013, 07:05 PM
But we are not to be sheep of the country we live in but the flock of Jesus Christ. So we are responsible for seeing that the kingdom of God is manifest on the earth. That is why we are born again...we are to bear witness with our lives of the new creation. We are supposed to be showing the world and the principalities what walking in resurrection life is about. That is the witness of the coming kingdom of God.


But almost all believers are unwilling to live in a way that compromises their own rights and freedoms. So much for Jesus Christ and His mission...

Your last line probably means more than you said. I tend to think that you don't' mean that these believers are doing things illegal according to their governments. You must be meaning something else, right?

SecondGenesis
Oct 23rd 2013, 03:26 AM
Acts, Chapter 244: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Would any of you forsake your lives and join some Christians, living like this today?

amazzin
Oct 23rd 2013, 05:04 PM
Absolutely...... In fact please call 1-800-you-troll and I can hook you up

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Would any of you forsake your lives and join some Christians, living like this today?